Re: [Phono-L] Edison bearings
Just curious, Randy. What are the performance problems you are attempting to overcome? Dave D From: Randy Larson ra...@cityprayz.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, January 27, 2013 6:40:41 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison bearings Not sure if many would like this, but I've been trying to come up with an idea of how to improve the Edison Standard bearings. Specifically being the bearings for the governor. I wanted to develop something that would still look original yet performed better. Last week I finally thought of something (if it hasn't been already) and put one together (after many trial and error attempts). It's a female bearing with a stainless steel sleeve in a hollow brass case. I tried a steel case but couldn't drill through it. The case has an oil feed at the top right or left end (depending which side it's made for). The bearing provides a longer oil feed and better lubrication. After testing it on my Standard motor, it is working great. It has the original look (except for the oil feed hole and the brass)and works better and you don't have to oil the motor as often. If your interested in one, let me know. I'll send a few out for free for testing /feedback. Thanks Randy Larson ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Edison Bearing
I want to thank everyone who expressed interest in the Edison bearing. I've received enough request that will keep me busy for several weeks. So I'm sorry I can't make the offer free anymore. One question is why make one in the first place? A collector once said to me years ago; one of the problems with an Edison motor is that there is steel on steel friction with only the oil you can externally place on it. That in itself initiated the wheels spinning. I wondered if I could improve it. This bearing provides a continuous feed of oil to the bearing and reduce the constant need to oil it externally. Maybe it's crazy and won't make a difference. But I'm sending it out to several individuals to test it and see if it is an improvement. Or maybe it's because I'm too lazy to oil the motor as required! In 1963, I received my fathers Brunswick he played as a child. I was thrilled with it and began my enthusiasm for collecting, He would take me all over the city as I scoured for any old unit. In 1964, he paid $60 for my first Edison Standard (of which he only made $75 a week). I was stunned that he would make such a sacrifice for me. What is interesting is that he worked for Alcoa Aluminum. He was an avid inventor and came up with several improvements for the machines he operated. He was even recognized for several awards (unfortunately nothing financially). He passed away in 2011 at the age of 91 He was my best friend, hero and my inspiration. And we both admired Edison! Maybe a long explanation of why, but there it is. Best Regards Randy Larson ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Bearing
So why didn't you use something like sintered bronze for the bearing? It absorbs and holds oil. Ronald L'Herault Lab Supervisor, Biomaterials Division B.U. School of Dental Medicine 801 Albany Street S203 Roxbury, MA 02119 -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Randy Larson Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:48 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Bearing I want to thank everyone who expressed interest in the Edison bearing. I've received enough request that will keep me busy for several weeks. So I'm sorry I can't make the offer free anymore. One question is why make one in the first place? A collector once said to me years ago; one of the problems with an Edison motor is that there is steel on steel friction with only the oil you can externally place on it. That in itself initiated the wheels spinning. I wondered if I could improve it. This bearing provides a continuous feed of oil to the bearing and reduce the constant need to oil it externally. Maybe it's crazy and won't make a difference. But I'm sending it out to several individuals to test it and see if it is an improvement. Or maybe it's because I'm too lazy to oil the motor as required! In 1963, I received my fathers Brunswick he played as a child. I was thrilled with it and began my enthusiasm for collecting, He would take me all over the city as I scoured for any old unit. In 1964, he paid $60 for my first Edison Standard (of which he only made $75 a week). I was stunned that he would make such a sacrifice for me. What is interesting is that he worked for Alcoa Aluminum. He was an avid inventor and came up with several improvements for the machines he operated. He was even recognized for several awards (unfortunately nothing financially). He passed away in 2011 at the age of 91 He was my best friend, hero and my inspiration. And we both admired Edison! Maybe a long explanation of why, but there it is. Best Regards Randy Larson ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Bearing
Ronald Thanks so much for your input, I really appreciate it. The only reason I used stainless steel is that it would last longer. The oil in the bearing would sustain it.Bronze is such a soft metal but did not know about it's absorbency. That may possibly reduce any wear on the metal. I will try the bronze. Thanks! Also, any suggestions on what oil has worked best for you? I am going to try some teflon based oil, but they are harder to come by where I live. I do have an order for some and hope it will be here in a couple of weeks. Thanks again Randy On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: So why didn't you use something like sintered bronze for the bearing? It absorbs and holds oil. Ronald L'Herault Lab Supervisor, Biomaterials Division B.U. School of Dental Medicine 801 Albany Street S203 Roxbury, MA 02119 -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Randy Larson Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:48 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Bearing I want to thank everyone who expressed interest in the Edison bearing. I've received enough request that will keep me busy for several weeks. So I'm sorry I can't make the offer free anymore. One question is why make one in the first place? A collector once said to me years ago; one of the problems with an Edison motor is that there is steel on steel friction with only the oil you can externally place on it. That in itself initiated the wheels spinning. I wondered if I could improve it. This bearing provides a continuous feed of oil to the bearing and reduce the constant need to oil it externally. Maybe it's crazy and won't make a difference. But I'm sending it out to several individuals to test it and see if it is an improvement. Or maybe it's because I'm too lazy to oil the motor as required! In 1963, I received my fathers Brunswick he played as a child. I was thrilled with it and began my enthusiasm for collecting, He would take me all over the city as I scoured for any old unit. In 1964, he paid $60 for my first Edison Standard (of which he only made $75 a week). I was stunned that he would make such a sacrifice for me. What is interesting is that he worked for Alcoa Aluminum. He was an avid inventor and came up with several improvements for the machines he operated. He was even recognized for several awards (unfortunately nothing financially). He passed away in 2011 at the age of 91 He was my best friend, hero and my inspiration. And we both admired Edison! Maybe a long explanation of why, but there it is. Best Regards Randy Larson ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Orlando show report
Andy, I want to give thanks to all who enjoyed my report. From: a...@popyrus.com Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:54:38 -0700 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org CC: phonol...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orlando show report What a great report, Steven. Thanks so much for sharing it in such detail. Andrew Baron On Jan 27, 2013, at 11:44 AM, Steven Medved wrote: Thanks, Ron, The early buyers and the dealers were provided with Lunch both days. The first day, Friday, the dealers were set up in the room, no more parking lot victim to the elements. $20 early buyer you were able to be there at 7a.m. on Friday and Saturday from 8 a.m. on. This year the room looked full and there was a lot of nice machines. Steve Andersun brought a Class M with the early seldom seen Automatic reproducer serial number in the 15,000 range with no lettering on the body. The machine had listening tubes and a new brown wax cylinder made of a composite material so you could fully experience the machine. Don Gfell had his wonderful display and brought his brother, an antique dealer with him. Don sold a nice Victor VI with mahogany horn to a man living in Orlando who is beginning to collect and was helped out by people at the show with the other questions he had. Don's horn display is worth the price of admission. Don also has a seldom seen late dome top Model O reproducer. The Rolfs were there with the books they have written and their usual display that is so well done you would not know it began as a flat table. The Rolfs table is a very cheerful place to visit. Rob Mallet was there, another nice person to talk with and visit his display as well. Jean Paul Agnard and his wife were there along with Charlie Hummel, it is amazing how much Charlie fits in those two airline bags. The famous Bob Cole - Richard Brown tables and floor machines were in their normal corner. Harry Ruer stopped by and it was so very wonderful to see him. The Orlando show is not the largest, but it is the most friendly. Harry, Bob, and Richard has done an excellent job of creating a user friendly show that is wonderful to visit. All the dealers I asked were happy. Ron Sitko was there with his wife, my wife enjoyed talking with Ron's Sitko's wife Carole, Harry Ruer, Bob, Richard, and Ron Haring among others. The world famous nice guy Gregg Cline was there doing a live demonstration on how to install his decals on an Opera that was graciously donated by Richard Brown for the show and tell. Gregg makes his decals to look hand painted, he has 17, yes 17 different corners for the Triumph. On eBay I recently saw two triumphs that looked mint to me, they were Cline decals. Is it mint or is it Cline? Some people want his name in mico letters so they can tell. When you shellac over his decals you have a protected decal that look like the ladies in the Edison factory painted them on. Kevin Boerma had some very nice machines, I purchased a rare late 2 minute recorder with the same holder as the four minute from around 1913 for $50. He had a nice Toy Berliner. I spent the whole day talking with people so I did not get a chance to write down all the machines that were there. I got to see a large outdoor roller organ that had amazing volume. With my poor memory for names I cannot list all the sellers who were there. Russ Bruning was there with a repro Berliner reproducer for $100 from the 70's or 80's. The weather was very nice and the door being so close to the dealer parking makes it easy to move the machines in and out. There was a lot of cylinder and disc records there. Ron Haring had 5, yes 5 Edison dealer sample records and Charlie Hummel has the limited 100 count record he made of a DD that was made in 1912 to introduce the machines to the customers, three are known to exist. NEWS FLASH CELEBRITY WATCH: TIM FABRIZIO WAS THERE. He did not have a table but he was there to visit us, what a wonderful treat. Edison created the phonograph, Harry, Bob and Richard created the best show. We did not expect it to be better this year, but it was. Last year is was so nice we did not think it could be any better, but it was. Next year we expect it to be even better, that is where you come in. Make plans to visit us. The hotel is near to the attractions and who would not want to thaw out in January if you live up north. This year I spent around $800 on books, records, reproducer parts and the recorder. I was very pleased, there were bargains at the show along with some very nice people on both sides of the dealer tables. I enjoyed this show immensly, I am looking forward to next year. Steve To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com From: victrol...@aol.com Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 12:43:02 -0500 Subject: Re: [phonolist] Orlando show report
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Bearing
Sintered bronze is what is usually used as replacement mandrel bearings and they do use it in electric motors too.I've been using multiweight automotive oil lately I have some 0-20 synthetic that seems pretty nice. Ron -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Randy Larson Ronald Thanks so much for your input, I really appreciate it. The only reason I used stainless steel is that it would last longer. The oil in the bearing would sustain it.Bronze is such a soft metal but did not know about it's absorbency. That may possibly reduce any wear on the metal. I will try the bronze. Thanks! Also, any suggestions on what oil has worked best for you? I am going to try some teflon based oil, but they are harder to come by where I live. I do have an order for some and hope it will be here in a couple of weeks. Thanks again Randy ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Bearing
It is important to note the difference between bronze bushings and sintered bronze bushings. The former require regular lubrication as does any other plain bearing. But the sintering process produces a material that is porous and will hold lubricant in its pores which significantly reduces the need for regular oiling. Here's a description of proper and improper machining of sintered bronze: http://www.lm-tarbell.com/machining_sintered_bronze.htm Such bushings have been used for electric motors for decades and are very dependable. To us old-timers, they were known as oilite bearings. Turns out, that is now the tradename of a company who furnishes such bearings: http://www.oilite.com/bearings.asp Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Randy Larson ra...@cityprayz.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Bearing Ronald Thanks so much for your input, I really appreciate it. The only reason I used stainless steel is that it would last longer. The oil in the bearing would sustain it.Bronze is such a soft metal but did not know about it's absorbency. That may possibly reduce any wear on the metal. I will try the bronze. Thanks! Also, any suggestions on what oil has worked best for you? I am going to try some teflon based oil, but they are harder to come by where I live. I do have an order for some and hope it will be here in a couple of weeks. Thanks again Randy On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: So why didn't you use something like sintered bronze for the bearing? It absorbs and holds oil. Ronald L'Herault Lab Supervisor, Biomaterials Division B.U. School of Dental Medicine 801 Albany Street S203 Roxbury, MA 02119 -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Randy Larson Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:48 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Bearing I want to thank everyone who expressed interest in the Edison bearing. I've received enough request that will keep me busy for several weeks. So I'm sorry I can't make the offer free anymore. One question is why make one in the first place? A collector once said to me years ago; one of the problems with an Edison motor is that there is steel on steel friction with only the oil you can externally place on it. That in itself initiated the wheels spinning. I wondered if I could improve it. This bearing provides a continuous feed of oil to the bearing and reduce the constant need to oil it externally. Maybe it's crazy and won't make a difference. But I'm sending it out to several individuals to test it and see if it is an improvement. Or maybe it's because I'm too lazy to oil the motor as required! In 1963, I received my fathers Brunswick he played as a child. I was thrilled with it and began my enthusiasm for collecting, He would take me all over the city as I scoured for any old unit. In 1964, he paid $60 for my first Edison Standard (of which he only made $75 a week). I was stunned that he would make such a sacrifice for me. What is interesting is that he worked for Alcoa Aluminum. He was an avid inventor and came up with several improvements for the machines he operated. He was even recognized for several awards (unfortunately nothing financially). He passed away in 2011 at the age of 91 He was my best friend, hero and my inspiration. And we both admired Edison! Maybe a long explanation of why, but there it is. Best Regards Randy Larson ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Bearing
That explanation of machining sintered bronze is probably why Randy is better off doing what he started with, since he can do it at home without specialized equipment. From: gbogan...@charter.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:44:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Bearing It is important to note the difference between bronze bushings and sintered bronze bushings. The former require regular lubrication as does any other plain bearing. But the sintering process produces a material that is porous and will hold lubricant in its pores which significantly reduces the need for regular oiling. Here's a description of proper and improper machining of sintered bronze: http://www.lm-tarbell.com/machining_sintered_bronze.htm Such bushings have been used for electric motors for decades and are very dependable. To us old-timers, they were known as oilite bearings. Turns out, that is now the tradename of a company who furnishes such bearings: http://www.oilite.com/bearings.asp Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Randy Larson ra...@cityprayz.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Bearing Ronald Thanks so much for your input, I really appreciate it. The only reason I used stainless steel is that it would last longer. The oil in the bearing would sustain it.Bronze is such a soft metal but did not know about it's absorbency. That may possibly reduce any wear on the metal. I will try the bronze. Thanks! Also, any suggestions on what oil has worked best for you? I am going to try some teflon based oil, but they are harder to come by where I live. I do have an order for some and hope it will be here in a couple of weeks. Thanks again Randy On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: So why didn't you use something like sintered bronze for the bearing? It absorbs and holds oil. Ronald L'Herault Lab Supervisor, Biomaterials Division B.U. School of Dental Medicine 801 Albany Street S203 Roxbury, MA 02119 -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Randy Larson Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:48 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Bearing I want to thank everyone who expressed interest in the Edison bearing. I've received enough request that will keep me busy for several weeks. So I'm sorry I can't make the offer free anymore. One question is why make one in the first place? A collector once said to me years ago; one of the problems with an Edison motor is that there is steel on steel friction with only the oil you can externally place on it. That in itself initiated the wheels spinning. I wondered if I could improve it. This bearing provides a continuous feed of oil to the bearing and reduce the constant need to oil it externally. Maybe it's crazy and won't make a difference. But I'm sending it out to several individuals to test it and see if it is an improvement. Or maybe it's because I'm too lazy to oil the motor as required! In 1963, I received my fathers Brunswick he played as a child. I was thrilled with it and began my enthusiasm for collecting, He would take me all over the city as I scoured for any old unit. In 1964, he paid $60 for my first Edison Standard (of which he only made $75 a week). I was stunned that he would make such a sacrifice for me. What is interesting is that he worked for Alcoa Aluminum. He was an avid inventor and came up with several improvements for the machines he operated. He was even recognized for several awards (unfortunately nothing financially). He passed away in 2011 at the age of 91 He was my best friend, hero and my inspiration. And we both admired Edison! Maybe a long explanation of why, but there it is. Best Regards Randy Larson ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Bearing
Sent from my iPad Oilite is a trademark and specific brand of bearings that has changed hands multiple times over the years. Oilite bearings were invented by Chrysler corporation and was a subsidiary of Chrysler and profit center for a good while. Bill Such bushings have been used for electric motors for decades and are very dependable. To us old-timers, they were known as oilite bearings. Turns out, that is now the tradename of a company who furnishes such bearings: http://www.oilite.com/bearings.asp Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Randy Larson ra...@cityprayz.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Bearing Ronald Thanks so much for your input, I really appreciate it. The only reason I used stainless steel is that it would last longer. The oil in the bearing would sustain it.Bronze is such a soft metal but did not know about it's absorbency. That may possibly reduce any wear on the metal. I will try the bronze. Thanks! Also, any suggestions on what oil has worked best for you? I am going to try some teflon based oil, but they are harder to come by where I live. I do have an order for some and hope it will be here in a couple of weeks. Thanks again Randy On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: So why didn't you use something like sintered bronze for the bearing? It absorbs and holds oil. Ronald L'Herault Lab Supervisor, Biomaterials Division B.U. School of Dental Medicine 801 Albany Street S203 Roxbury, MA 02119 -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Randy Larson Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:48 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Bearing I want to thank everyone who expressed interest in the Edison bearing. I've received enough request that will keep me busy for several weeks. So I'm sorry I can't make the offer free anymore. One question is why make one in the first place? A collector once said to me years ago; one of the problems with an Edison motor is that there is steel on steel friction with only the oil you can externally place on it. That in itself initiated the wheels spinning. I wondered if I could improve it. This bearing provides a continuous feed of oil to the bearing and reduce the constant need to oil it externally. Maybe it's crazy and won't make a difference. But I'm sending it out to several individuals to test it and see if it is an improvement. Or maybe it's because I'm too lazy to oil the motor as required! In 1963, I received my fathers Brunswick he played as a child. I was thrilled with it and began my enthusiasm for collecting, He would take me all over the city as I scoured for any old unit. In 1964, he paid $60 for my first Edison Standard (of which he only made $75 a week). I was stunned that he would make such a sacrifice for me. What is interesting is that he worked for Alcoa Aluminum. He was an avid inventor and came up with several improvements for the machines he operated. He was even recognized for several awards (unfortunately nothing financially). He passed away in 2011 at the age of 91 He was my best friend, hero and my inspiration. And we both admired Edison! Maybe a long explanation of why, but there it is. Best Regards Randy Larson ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Bearing
http://www.allpar.com/history/amplex.html History of oilite and the Amplex division of Chrysler corporation Sent from my iPhone On Jan 28, 2013, at 6:05 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: That explanation of machining sintered bronze is probably why Randy is better off doing what he started with, since he can do it at home without specialized equipment. From: gbogan...@charter.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:44:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Bearing It is important to note the difference between bronze bushings and sintered bronze bushings. The former require regular lubrication as does any other plain bearing. But the sintering process produces a material that is porous and will hold lubricant in its pores which significantly reduces the need for regular oiling. Here's a description of proper and improper machining of sintered bronze: http://www.lm-tarbell.com/machining_sintered_bronze.htm Such bushings have been used for electric motors for decades and are very dependable. To us old-timers, they were known as oilite bearings. Turns out, that is now the tradename of a company who furnishes such bearings: http://www.oilite.com/bearings.asp Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Randy Larson ra...@cityprayz.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Bearing Ronald Thanks so much for your input, I really appreciate it. The only reason I used stainless steel is that it would last longer. The oil in the bearing would sustain it.Bronze is such a soft metal but did not know about it's absorbency. That may possibly reduce any wear on the metal. I will try the bronze. Thanks! Also, any suggestions on what oil has worked best for you? I am going to try some teflon based oil, but they are harder to come by where I live. I do have an order for some and hope it will be here in a couple of weeks. Thanks again Randy On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: So why didn't you use something like sintered bronze for the bearing? It absorbs and holds oil. Ronald L'Herault Lab Supervisor, Biomaterials Division B.U. School of Dental Medicine 801 Albany Street S203 Roxbury, MA 02119 -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Randy Larson Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:48 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Bearing I want to thank everyone who expressed interest in the Edison bearing. I've received enough request that will keep me busy for several weeks. So I'm sorry I can't make the offer free anymore. One question is why make one in the first place? A collector once said to me years ago; one of the problems with an Edison motor is that there is steel on steel friction with only the oil you can externally place on it. That in itself initiated the wheels spinning. I wondered if I could improve it. This bearing provides a continuous feed of oil to the bearing and reduce the constant need to oil it externally. Maybe it's crazy and won't make a difference. But I'm sending it out to several individuals to test it and see if it is an improvement. Or maybe it's because I'm too lazy to oil the motor as required! In 1963, I received my fathers Brunswick he played as a child. I was thrilled with it and began my enthusiasm for collecting, He would take me all over the city as I scoured for any old unit. In 1964, he paid $60 for my first Edison Standard (of which he only made $75 a week). I was stunned that he would make such a sacrifice for me. What is interesting is that he worked for Alcoa Aluminum. He was an avid inventor and came up with several improvements for the machines he operated. He was even recognized for several awards (unfortunately nothing financially). He passed away in 2011 at the age of 91 He was my best friend, hero and my inspiration. And we both admired Edison! Maybe a long explanation of why, but there it is. Best Regards Randy Larson ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Bearing
Sharp carbide tool bit and slow feed and you are good to go. The major problem is the type of oil used by many people to oil these machines. On 01/28/2013 06:05 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: That explanation of machining sintered bronze is probably why Randy is better off doing what he started with, since he can do it at home without specialized equipment. From: gbogan...@charter.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:44:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Bearing It is important to note the difference between bronze bushings and sintered bronze bushings. The former require regular lubrication as does any other plain bearing. But the sintering process produces a material that is porous and will hold lubricant in its pores which significantly reduces the need for regular oiling. Here's a description of proper and improper machining of sintered bronze: http://www.lm-tarbell.com/machining_sintered_bronze.htm Such bushings have been used for electric motors for decades and are very dependable. To us old-timers, they were known as oilite bearings. Turns out, that is now the tradename of a company who furnishes such bearings: http://www.oilite.com/bearings.asp Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Randy Larsonra...@cityprayz.com To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Bearing Ronald Thanks so much for your input, I really appreciate it. The only reason I used stainless steel is that it would last longer. The oil in the bearing would sustain it.Bronze is such a soft metal but did not know about it's absorbency. That may possibly reduce any wear on the metal. I will try the bronze. Thanks! Also, any suggestions on what oil has worked best for you? I am going to try some teflon based oil, but they are harder to come by where I live. I do have an order for some and hope it will be here in a couple of weeks. Thanks again Randy On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Ron L'Heraultlhera...@bu.edu wrote: So why didn't you use something like sintered bronze for the bearing? It absorbs and holds oil. Ronald L'Herault Lab Supervisor, Biomaterials Division B.U. School of Dental Medicine 801 Albany Street S203 Roxbury, MA 02119 -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Randy Larson Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:48 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Bearing I want to thank everyone who expressed interest in the Edison bearing. I've received enough request that will keep me busy for several weeks. So I'm sorry I can't make the offer free anymore. One question is why make one in the first place? A collector once said to me years ago; one of the problems with an Edison motor is that there is steel on steel friction with only the oil you can externally place on it. That in itself initiated the wheels spinning. I wondered if I could improve it. This bearing provides a continuous feed of oil to the bearing and reduce the constant need to oil it externally. Maybe it's crazy and won't make a difference. But I'm sending it out to several individuals to test it and see if it is an improvement. Or maybe it's because I'm too lazy to oil the motor as required! In 1963, I received my fathers Brunswick he played as a child. I was thrilled with it and began my enthusiasm for collecting, He would take me all over the city as I scoured for any old unit. In 1964, he paid $60 for my first Edison Standard (of which he only made $75 a week). I was stunned that he would make such a sacrifice for me. What is interesting is that he worked for Alcoa Aluminum. He was an avid inventor and came up with several improvements for the machines he operated. He was even recognized for several awards (unfortunately nothing financially). He passed away in 2011 at the age of 91 He was my best friend, hero and my inspiration. And we both admired Edison! Maybe a long explanation of why, but there it is. Best Regards Randy Larson ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Sonora The Melody Beautiful Record
Hi Bruce, I have several bulged Sonoras in my collection, and have had about six copies of the sheet music you mention. The image and mention of the record on the sheet music has puzzled me for years. As far as I know, this particular record was never produced, nor was the company making any records at the time in question. Sonora first produced records in the 1910-1911 period, and then starting again (after 30+ years and several company reorganizations) in 1944. The Sutton Nauck book, *American Record Labels and Companies, An Encyclopedia (1891-1943)* , @ 2000, discusses the matter of Sonora produced records on p. 194. I did find a copy of a song coincidentally entitled Sonora recorded by Ferera and Franchini on Broadway 8011-B (which found a home on the turntable of my late-model Sonora Invincible), but this has nothing to do with the company. Enjoy your wonderful Sonora, Bob On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:27 AM, bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: I have a Sonora Elite bulge Sided Phonograph, and a few years ago, a friend gave me a very nice Colorful Sheet Music Piece called Sonora The Melody Beautiful, an actual Song written in 1920 about the Sonora Phonograph. On the back of the Sheet Music it shows a picture of a Sonora 78rpm Record with white Lettering on blue background with the title Sonora The Melody Beautiful, and then in big bold print Be Sure to get the Phonograph Record of Sonora The Melody Beautiful . Since I thought this would be a great record to keep with the Sonora Elite and the Sheet music, I have had an Ebay automatic search going for a few years for this record with zero results. Plenty of Sonora record emails sent from ebay for later Sonora Records but never one for this one. Has anyone ever run across this record or have it in their collection ? I am assuming it was not originally for sale, but you could pick it up at your Sonora Dealer back in 1920, which would certainly make it an elusive and very uncommon record today. Hopefully someone without a Sonora Phonograph may have it, and may be willing to part with it. I know, fat chance of that but certainly worth a try. Thanks, Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
