Re: [Phono-L] Home Plating Recommendations?
The easy way to get all of this plated is to ship it off to Steve Farmer. It will probably be both quicker and cheaper than the DIY boy chemist approach. On 06/25/2013 10:46 PM, Arvin Casas wrote: Yeah, color matching in the graphics design world as well as other industries is more complicated than most people understand. One man's gold is another man's trash, to reverse the cliché. Unfortunately I'm not aware of any system such as Pantone that can be applied to metal finishing - at least for lowly phono plebs. It would be great to match my tonearm to a standard, get its code and have a finish replicated for it chemically. I have seen other options via a few cursory and early searches, but my query to the group was in the hope that someone might have a recommendation based on experience, even if negative. Of course I'm always keen to experiment for the sake of continuing the knowledge of our hobby (as I know you know Ron from those funny posts of mine on MOCAPS- laughing at not with me - regarding my trying to grow cactus for needles here in MA). This last venture out into terra incognita however, was a little further into hostile territory than I normally prefer to endure. That's why I was hoping others out there might have had at least some cursory experience for me to explore further. A few pennies lost or in vain is one thing, I don't enjoy risking my person. Speaking of risks to health, are there any chemists out there who could chime in with any information on what to avoid? While I don't think we have a hall of martyrs for the preservation and restorations of things phonographic, I'd hate to be the one to inaugurate its building, lol. Arvin On 6/25/13 10:49 PM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: Seems to me Caswell sells/sold a real gold plate kit too. The problem with Gold, and nickel too, but not as bad, is that it is hard to match gold colors. A little difference in karat amount or a few different other chemicals and you have a different gold color, greener, yellower, whatever. Have you tried googling home electroplating kits or brush plating kits? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Arvin Casas Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 12:50 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Home Plating Recommendations? Hello All, I hope your summers have all started off well! I was wondering if any of you had any recommendations for home plating? (No, that is not some variation on getting on base on a first date, but in regards to metal plate finishing as can be done at home.) Always the willing guinea pig for our hobby, I tried the Caswell Plug N' Plate system and had some success with their Nickel product, but only so-so success with their faux Gold. (When I tried contacting their customer service to troubleshoot, the owner came off as a bit emotionally incendiary in his replies to a newbie, so I decided it's not worth me continuing to experiment or use their products.) Are there any other possible approaches or solutions? I have a few gold plated pieces that have suffered some damage over the years prior to my coming into them, and I was hoping, short of sending them out (which I believe is priced per pound), to see if there was something I could try at home on the few pieces that I have that need restoration / preservation. I recall reading about home-brewed tank solutions (mixing gold chloride etc.,. using batteries), but can't recall where (or if they worked). Any recommendations? Thanks! Arvin ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Need Victor V (or D or VI) back bracket
Hello everyone, This is my first post on Phono-L and I am looking to buy a Victor V back bracket (the same as on the Type D and the VI). If you have one to sell, contact me off list at william...@up.edu. Thanks, Nicholas J. Williams -- Nicholas J. Williams ASUP Senator: Class of 2014, Tech Sub-Committee (2010-2011) Knight of Columbus 3rd Degree, Council Chancellor (2010-2011), Treasurer (2011-2012) (Council 14238) Chapel of Christ the Teacher Sacristan FFA Member, Chapter Degree, National Gold and National Second AgriScience Fair 2010 Tillamook High School Head Photographer (2007-2010) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Home Plating Recommendations?
Thanks Rich. Have you tried home plating yourself (or consider it at all)? How did you find it in the end better for you to send it out? How badly off was/were the piece(s) you that required refinishing? I'm genuinely interested in understanding how you came to your conclusion. Was it simply a matter of weighing cost and time or were there other factors? I'm not looking to do this for speed of result or cost efficiency. I recognize that an inherent third in the iron triangle is quality which ideally I'd like to preserve, but if for learning purposes that is sacrificed I'm willing to do, to a point. Plating in my mind is not irreparable, as say major woodworking, so I see no harm picking my 2/3 in learning how a good job is done. That's how I approach this hobby (as well as all my others). My research and appreciation of the invention, innovation, and evolution of phonographs includes exploring the mechanics of their inner workings and the methods and processes of their manufacture and restoration. I know one can easily just order one's dinner made, but sometimes it's beneficial to learn how to cook, even if only to better appreciate a well prepared meal, at least for me. On 6/26/13 1:50 AM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: The easy way to get all of this plated is to ship it off to Steve Farmer. It will probably be both quicker and cheaper than the DIY boy chemist approach. On 06/25/2013 10:46 PM, Arvin Casas wrote: Yeah, color matching in the graphics design world as well as other industries is more complicated than most people understand. One man's gold is another man's trash, to reverse the cliché. Unfortunately I'm not aware of any system such as Pantone that can be applied to metal finishing - at least for lowly phono plebs. It would be great to match my tonearm to a standard, get its code and have a finish replicated for it chemically. I have seen other options via a few cursory and early searches, but my query to the group was in the hope that someone might have a recommendation based on experience, even if negative. Of course I'm always keen to experiment for the sake of continuing the knowledge of our hobby (as I know you know Ron from those funny posts of mine on MOCAPS- laughing at not with me - regarding my trying to grow cactus for needles here in MA). This last venture out into terra incognita however, was a little further into hostile territory than I normally prefer to endure. That's why I was hoping others out there might have had at least some cursory experience for me to explore further. A few pennies lost or in vain is one thing, I don't enjoy risking my person. Speaking of risks to health, are there any chemists out there who could chime in with any information on what to avoid? While I don't think we have a hall of martyrs for the preservation and restorations of things phonographic, I'd hate to be the one to inaugurate its building, lol. Arvin On 6/25/13 10:49 PM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: Seems to me Caswell sells/sold a real gold plate kit too. The problem with Gold, and nickel too, but not as bad, is that it is hard to match gold colors. A little difference in karat amount or a few different other chemicals and you have a different gold color, greener, yellower, whatever. Have you tried googling home electroplating kits or brush plating kits? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Arvin Casas Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 12:50 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Home Plating Recommendations? Hello All, I hope your summers have all started off well! I was wondering if any of you had any recommendations for home plating? (No, that is not some variation on getting on base on a first date, but in regards to metal plate finishing as can be done at home.) Always the willing guinea pig for our hobby, I tried the Caswell Plug N' Plate system and had some success with their Nickel product, but only so-so success with their faux Gold. (When I tried contacting their customer service to troubleshoot, the owner came off as a bit emotionally incendiary in his replies to a newbie, so I decided it's not worth me continuing to experiment or use their products.) Are there any other possible approaches or solutions? I have a few gold plated pieces that have suffered some damage over the years prior to my coming into them, and I was hoping, short of sending them out (which I believe is priced per pound), to see if there was something I could try at home on the few pieces that I have that need restoration / preservation. I recall reading about home-brewed tank solutions (mixing gold chloride etc.,. using batteries), but can't recall where (or if they worked). Any recommendations? Thanks! Arvin ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Top After Market Othrophonic Reproducers
Thanks Dan. Are you able to transplant that Brunswick reproducer on other machines with/without an adapter? On 6/26/13 12:17 AM, DanKj ediso...@verizon.net wrote: Brunswick used excellent reproducers on their Panatrope acoustic models; of all my portables, the Brunswick sounds best. I don't know the model name or number : https://www.box.com/s/zjxyhfwvzh6asqk0cw65 - Original Message - From: Arvin Casas it...@arvincasas.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 1:17 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Top After Market Othrophonic Reproducers Hello Again, I was wondering what aftermarket ortho-style reproducers my phellow phono pholk have tried using, if any, and which ones they felt showed a marked improvement or at least performed admirably? I know that many in the U.K. have a fondness for the Meltrope III sound box (I understand its EMG lineage might be underlying the affection for it). Similarly, I was provided the chance to buy a Leventhall that has a Columbia mount which sounds rather good to these ears. Are there any others, say US Made, that garner such enthusiasm? I'm not unhappy with my Viva-Tonal and Orthophonic stock reproducers, but like the stereotype of the pop rock guitarist, am always curious about other sounds. Hope everyone is wearing their sunscreen, Arvin ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Home Plating Recommendations?
The physical equipment required to properly plate anything is expensive and in some cases difficult to obtain and must be constructed from scratch. The chemicals required to do the various required cleaning steps are difficult/expensive to obtain in small quantities and toxic. The mechanical prep is difficult and again requires polishing equipment not commonly available. I have looked into this several times and the result is always the same, high cost - less than desired results as a DIY project. There are some things you can pull off at home and some you can not. Gold and nickel plating of used antique parts is not easily done even if you can successfully get the part properly polished and cleaned. The smoothness - shine of the final product is determined by degree of polish of the unplated part. The electroless nickel process works well for easily polished small parts such as screws and levers but become prohibitively expensive on larger pieces but it does work. There are several different formulations of the plating bath and the ones that plate the best are also the ones that are difficult to obtain due to the shipping restrictions, and human - environmental hazards On 06/26/2013 07:17 AM, Arvin Casas wrote: Thanks Rich. Have you tried home plating yourself (or consider it at all)? How did you find it in the end better for you to send it out? How badly off was/were the piece(s) you that required refinishing? I'm genuinely interested in understanding how you came to your conclusion. Was it simply a matter of weighing cost and time or were there other factors? I'm not looking to do this for speed of result or cost efficiency. I recognize that an inherent third in the iron triangle is quality which ideally I'd like to preserve, but if for learning purposes that is sacrificed I'm willing to do, to a point. Plating in my mind is not irreparable, as say major woodworking, so I see no harm picking my 2/3 in learning how a good job is done. That's how I approach this hobby (as well as all my others). My research and appreciation of the invention, innovation, and evolution of phonographs includes exploring the mechanics of their inner workings and the methods and processes of their manufacture and restoration. I know one can easily just order one's dinner made, but sometimes it's beneficial to learn how to cook, even if only to better appreciate a well prepared meal, at least for me. On 6/26/13 1:50 AM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: The easy way to get all of this plated is to ship it off to Steve Farmer. It will probably be both quicker and cheaper than the DIY boy chemist approach. On 06/25/2013 10:46 PM, Arvin Casas wrote: Yeah, color matching in the graphics design world as well as other industries is more complicated than most people understand. One man's gold is another man's trash, to reverse the cliché. Unfortunately I'm not aware of any system such as Pantone that can be applied to metal finishing - at least for lowly phono plebs. It would be great to match my tonearm to a standard, get its code and have a finish replicated for it chemically. I have seen other options via a few cursory and early searches, but my query to the group was in the hope that someone might have a recommendation based on experience, even if negative. Of course I'm always keen to experiment for the sake of continuing the knowledge of our hobby (as I know you know Ron from those funny posts of mine on MOCAPS- laughing at not with me - regarding my trying to grow cactus for needles here in MA). This last venture out into terra incognita however, was a little further into hostile territory than I normally prefer to endure. That's why I was hoping others out there might have had at least some cursory experience for me to explore further. A few pennies lost or in vain is one thing, I don't enjoy risking my person. Speaking of risks to health, are there any chemists out there who could chime in with any information on what to avoid? While I don't think we have a hall of martyrs for the preservation and restorations of things phonographic, I'd hate to be the one to inaugurate its building, lol. Arvin On 6/25/13 10:49 PM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: Seems to me Caswell sells/sold a real gold plate kit too. The problem with Gold, and nickel too, but not as bad, is that it is hard to match gold colors. A little difference in karat amount or a few different other chemicals and you have a different gold color, greener, yellower, whatever. Have you tried googling home electroplating kits or brush plating kits? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Arvin Casas Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 12:50 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Home Plating Recommendations? Hello All, I hope your summers have all started off well! I was wondering if any of you had any recommendations for home
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 10, Issue 137
Hello out there! Rich, in particular. You mentioned Steve Farmer. I would like the contact info to send some parts out to get re- nickeled. The guy I have tried doesn’t do a great job. He puts the nickel on so heavy that the parts don’t fit back together. A phone number or address would be great. Thank you all!!! Gayle Someone mentioned Steve Far Sent from Windows Mail From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Sent: June 26, 2013 7:48 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 10, Issue 137 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Re: Home Plating Recommendations? (Ron L'Herault) 2. Victor I or E elbow (harvey kravitz) 3. Re: Top After Market Othrophonic Reproducers (DanKj) 4. Re: Home Plating Recommendations? (Arvin Casas) 5. Re: Home Plating Recommendations? (Rich) 6. Need Victor V (or D or VI) back bracket (Nicholas Williams) 7. Re: Home Plating Recommendations? (Arvin Casas) 8. Re: Top After Market Othrophonic Reproducers (Arvin Casas) 9. Re: Home Plating Recommendations? (Rich) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:49:39 -0400 From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Home Plating Recommendations? Message-ID: 005401ce7217$ce019eb0$6a04dc10$@edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Seems to me Caswell sells/sold a real gold plate kit too. The problem with Gold, and nickel too, but not as bad, is that it is hard to match gold colors. A little difference in karat amount or a few different other chemicals and you have a different gold color, greener, yellower, whatever. Have you tried googling home electroplating kits or brush plating kits? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Arvin Casas Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 12:50 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Home Plating Recommendations? Hello All, I hope your summers have all started off well! I was wondering if any of you had any recommendations for home plating? (No, that is not some variation on getting on base on a first date, but in regards to metal plate finishing as can be done at home.) Always the willing guinea pig for our hobby, I tried the Caswell Plug N' Plate system and had some success with their Nickel product, but only so-so success with their faux Gold. (When I tried contacting their customer service to troubleshoot, the owner came off as a bit emotionally incendiary in his replies to a newbie, so I decided it's not worth me continuing to experiment or use their products.) Are there any other possible approaches or solutions? I have a few gold plated pieces that have suffered some damage over the years prior to my coming into them, and I was hoping, short of sending them out (which I believe is priced per pound), to see if there was something I could try at home on the few pieces that I have that need restoration / preservation. I recall reading about home-brewed tank solutions (mixing gold chloride etc.,. using batteries), but can't recall where (or if they worked). Any recommendations? Thanks! Arvin ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 20:39:00 -0700 (PDT) From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Victor I or E elbow Message-ID: 1372217940.40538.yahoomail...@web161204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am looking for a decent Victor I or E elbow. Please contact me off list. Harvey Kravitz -- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 00:17:48 -0400 From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Top After Market Othrophonic Reproducers Message-ID: C6A64A1737F94C6BBFF03EAC5FB69F32@moms Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Brunswick used excellent reproducers on their Panatrope acoustic models; of all my portables, the Brunswick sounds best. I don't know the model name or number : https://www.box.com/s/zjxyhfwvzh6asqk0cw65 - Original Message - From: Arvin Casas it...@arvincasas.com
Re: [Phono-L] Home Plating Recommendations?
Thanks Rich. That's good to know and your explanation is much appreciated. As I determined from the little wall adapter wand kit I got, it seemed best for use on tiny bits, such as screw heads and smaller accent pieces. I guess I luckily had some success with the nickel on my tonearm (it's a smaller section of a portable Columbia in the 16X series), but trying to over plate it with gold product had its issues, mostly due to the difficulty in getting proper coverage and tone (the unnecessary dramatics I had leveled on me when making post sale inquiries notwithstanding, lol ). It is my understanding from having fasteners plated (not for me but for a vendor I know), that any plating is best ordered in bulk as the jobs are among other factors priced by weight. Has the group (or a group) ever gotten together for a job? You mentioned Steve Farmer. From my reading on other resources it sounds like he may or may not still offer his services (I take such information gleaned with a lump of salt). Is he available as of 2013? If so I'd appreciate an introduction. Thanks again Rich and all listening in. On 6/26/13 9:22 AM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: The physical equipment required to properly plate anything is expensive and in some cases difficult to obtain and must be constructed from scratch. The chemicals required to do the various required cleaning steps are difficult/expensive to obtain in small quantities and toxic. The mechanical prep is difficult and again requires polishing equipment not commonly available. I have looked into this several times and the result is always the same, high cost - less than desired results as a DIY project. There are some things you can pull off at home and some you can not. Gold and nickel plating of used antique parts is not easily done even if you can successfully get the part properly polished and cleaned. The smoothness - shine of the final product is determined by degree of polish of the unplated part. The electroless nickel process works well for easily polished small parts such as screws and levers but become prohibitively expensive on larger pieces but it does work. There are several different formulations of the plating bath and the ones that plate the best are also the ones that are difficult to obtain due to the shipping restrictions, and human - environmental hazards On 06/26/2013 07:17 AM, Arvin Casas wrote: Thanks Rich. Have you tried home plating yourself (or consider it at all)? How did you find it in the end better for you to send it out? How badly off was/were the piece(s) you that required refinishing? I'm genuinely interested in understanding how you came to your conclusion. Was it simply a matter of weighing cost and time or were there other factors? I'm not looking to do this for speed of result or cost efficiency. I recognize that an inherent third in the iron triangle is quality which ideally I'd like to preserve, but if for learning purposes that is sacrificed I'm willing to do, to a point. Plating in my mind is not irreparable, as say major woodworking, so I see no harm picking my 2/3 in learning how a good job is done. That's how I approach this hobby (as well as all my others). My research and appreciation of the invention, innovation, and evolution of phonographs includes exploring the mechanics of their inner workings and the methods and processes of their manufacture and restoration. I know one can easily just order one's dinner made, but sometimes it's beneficial to learn how to cook, even if only to better appreciate a well prepared meal, at least for me. On 6/26/13 1:50 AM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: The easy way to get all of this plated is to ship it off to Steve Farmer. It will probably be both quicker and cheaper than the DIY boy chemist approach. On 06/25/2013 10:46 PM, Arvin Casas wrote: Yeah, color matching in the graphics design world as well as other industries is more complicated than most people understand. One man's gold is another man's trash, to reverse the cliché. Unfortunately I'm not aware of any system such as Pantone that can be applied to metal finishing - at least for lowly phono plebs. It would be great to match my tonearm to a standard, get its code and have a finish replicated for it chemically. I have seen other options via a few cursory and early searches, but my query to the group was in the hope that someone might have a recommendation based on experience, even if negative. Of course I'm always keen to experiment for the sake of continuing the knowledge of our hobby (as I know you know Ron from those funny posts of mine on MOCAPS- laughing at not with me - regarding my trying to grow cactus for needles here in MA). This last venture out into terra incognita however, was a little further into hostile territory than I normally prefer to endure. That's why I was hoping others out there might have had at least some cursory
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 10, Issue 137
760-726-7402 Farmerized1 -at- Juno.com On 06/26/2013 09:23 AM, GAYLE VOISINE, BECKY VOISINE wrote: Hello out there! Rich, in particular. You mentioned Steve Farmer. I would like the contact info to send some parts out to get re- nickeled. The guy I have tried doesn’t do a great job. He puts the nickel on so heavy that the parts don’t fit back together. A phone number or address would be great. Thank you all!!! Gayle Someone mentioned Steve Far Sent from Windows Mail From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Sent: June 26, 2013 7:48 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 10, Issue 137 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Re: Home Plating Recommendations? (Ron L'Herault) 2. Victor I or E elbow (harvey kravitz) 3. Re: Top After Market Othrophonic Reproducers (DanKj) 4. Re: Home Plating Recommendations? (Arvin Casas) 5. Re: Home Plating Recommendations? (Rich) 6. Need Victor V (or D or VI) back bracket (Nicholas Williams) 7. Re: Home Plating Recommendations? (Arvin Casas) 8. Re: Top After Market Othrophonic Reproducers (Arvin Casas) 9. Re: Home Plating Recommendations? (Rich) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:49:39 -0400 From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Home Plating Recommendations? Message-ID: 005401ce7217$ce019eb0$6a04dc10$@edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Seems to me Caswell sells/sold a real gold plate kit too. The problem with Gold, and nickel too, but not as bad, is that it is hard to match gold colors. A little difference in karat amount or a few different other chemicals and you have a different gold color, greener, yellower, whatever. Have you tried googling home electroplating kits or brush plating kits? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Arvin Casas Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 12:50 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Home Plating Recommendations? Hello All, I hope your summers have all started off well! I was wondering if any of you had any recommendations for home plating? (No, that is not some variation on getting on base on a first date, but in regards to metal plate finishing as can be done at home.) Always the willing guinea pig for our hobby, I tried the Caswell Plug N' Plate system and had some success with their Nickel product, but only so-so success with their faux Gold. (When I tried contacting their customer service to troubleshoot, the owner came off as a bit emotionally incendiary in his replies to a newbie, so I decided it's not worth me continuing to experiment or use their products.) Are there any other possible approaches or solutions? I have a few gold plated pieces that have suffered some damage over the years prior to my coming into them, and I was hoping, short of sending them out (which I believe is priced per pound), to see if there was something I could try at home on the few pieces that I have that need restoration / preservation. I recall reading about home-brewed tank solutions (mixing gold chloride etc.,. using batteries), but can't recall where (or if they worked). Any recommendations? Thanks! Arvin ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 20:39:00 -0700 (PDT) From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Victor I or E elbow Message-ID: 1372217940.40538.yahoomail...@web161204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am looking for a decent Victor I or E elbow. Please contact me off list. Harvey Kravitz -- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 00:17:48 -0400 From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Top After Market Othrophonic Reproducers Message-ID: C6A64A1737F94C6BBFF03EAC5FB69F32@moms Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Brunswick used excellent reproducers on their Panatrope acoustic models; of all my portables, the Brunswick sounds best. I don't know the model name or number
[Phono-L] Summer Clearance Sale
It's time for our summer sale! For the next couple of weeks, I'll be listing all kinds of stuff on eBay. Categories include (but are not limited to): Phonographs Turntables Audio Equipment Parts Reproducers Styli Needles Needle Tins Record Dusters Record Sleeves Paper Items Disc Records Cylinders Disc Cylinder Record Cases Cylinder Record Boxes Advertising Pieces Ephemera ...and stuff that I'm not even thinking of right now. Some of these items are very cool and/or very rare. Certainly worth a look! Items will continue to be listed for the next week or two, so check in every couple of days to see any new stuff that may have been added. Visit http://www.ebay.com/sch/nauck3/m.html?_ipg=50_sop=12_rdc=1http://www.ebay.com/sch/nauck3/m.html?_ ... =12_rdc=1 and this should bring up a listing of everything available at the moment. (If it doesn't, just search for items being sold by nauck3.) Have fun! Kurt Nauck c/o Nauck's Vintage Records Texas Ready 22004 Sherrod Ln. Spring, Texas 77389 www.78rpm.com | www.TexasReady.net www.MDADA.org | www.NewPledge.org E-Mail: na...@78rpm.com Phone: (281) 288-7826 | Fax: (425) 930-6862 The prudent sees the evil and hides himself, but the naive go on, and are punished for it. - Proverbs 22:3 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Home Plating Recommendations?
Have no knowledge on the status of Steve Farmer. I suspect the was sending plating jobs out to a small shop who would do small part correctly. The price is a combination of labor and weight of metal plated. On 06/26/2013 09:23 AM, Arvin Casas wrote: Thanks Rich. That's good to know and your explanation is much appreciated. As I determined from the little wall adapter wand kit I got, it seemed best for use on tiny bits, such as screw heads and smaller accent pieces. I guess I luckily had some success with the nickel on my tonearm (it's a smaller section of a portable Columbia in the 16X series), but trying to over plate it with gold product had its issues, mostly due to the difficulty in getting proper coverage and tone (the unnecessary dramatics I had leveled on me when making post sale inquiries notwithstanding, lol ). It is my understanding from having fasteners plated (not for me but for a vendor I know), that any plating is best ordered in bulk as the jobs are among other factors priced by weight. Has the group (or a group) ever gotten together for a job? You mentioned Steve Farmer. From my reading on other resources it sounds like he may or may not still offer his services (I take such information gleaned with a lump of salt). Is he available as of 2013? If so I'd appreciate an introduction. Thanks again Rich and all listening in. On 6/26/13 9:22 AM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: The physical equipment required to properly plate anything is expensive and in some cases difficult to obtain and must be constructed from scratch. The chemicals required to do the various required cleaning steps are difficult/expensive to obtain in small quantities and toxic. The mechanical prep is difficult and again requires polishing equipment not commonly available. I have looked into this several times and the result is always the same, high cost - less than desired results as a DIY project. There are some things you can pull off at home and some you can not. Gold and nickel plating of used antique parts is not easily done even if you can successfully get the part properly polished and cleaned. The smoothness - shine of the final product is determined by degree of polish of the unplated part. The electroless nickel process works well for easily polished small parts such as screws and levers but become prohibitively expensive on larger pieces but it does work. There are several different formulations of the plating bath and the ones that plate the best are also the ones that are difficult to obtain due to the shipping restrictions, and human - environmental hazards On 06/26/2013 07:17 AM, Arvin Casas wrote: Thanks Rich. Have you tried home plating yourself (or consider it at all)? How did you find it in the end better for you to send it out? How badly off was/were the piece(s) you that required refinishing? I'm genuinely interested in understanding how you came to your conclusion. Was it simply a matter of weighing cost and time or were there other factors? I'm not looking to do this for speed of result or cost efficiency. I recognize that an inherent third in the iron triangle is quality which ideally I'd like to preserve, but if for learning purposes that is sacrificed I'm willing to do, to a point. Plating in my mind is not irreparable, as say major woodworking, so I see no harm picking my 2/3 in learning how a good job is done. That's how I approach this hobby (as well as all my others). My research and appreciation of the invention, innovation, and evolution of phonographs includes exploring the mechanics of their inner workings and the methods and processes of their manufacture and restoration. I know one can easily just order one's dinner made, but sometimes it's beneficial to learn how to cook, even if only to better appreciate a well prepared meal, at least for me. On 6/26/13 1:50 AM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: The easy way to get all of this plated is to ship it off to Steve Farmer. It will probably be both quicker and cheaper than the DIY boy chemist approach. On 06/25/2013 10:46 PM, Arvin Casas wrote: Yeah, color matching in the graphics design world as well as other industries is more complicated than most people understand. One man's gold is another man's trash, to reverse the cliché. Unfortunately I'm not aware of any system such as Pantone that can be applied to metal finishing - at least for lowly phono plebs. It would be great to match my tonearm to a standard, get its code and have a finish replicated for it chemically. I have seen other options via a few cursory and early searches, but my query to the group was in the hope that someone might have a recommendation based on experience, even if negative. Of course I'm always keen to experiment for the sake of continuing the knowledge of our hobby (as I know you know Ron from those funny posts of mine on MOCAPS- laughing at not with me - regarding my trying to grow cactus for needles here in MA).
[Phono-L] Parts needed
Hi All,I am looking for A Columbia BG and a BF lid,also an Edison Triumph 2/4m selector lever to complete several restoration projects.If anyone has any forsale please contact me off list at jdcoffm...@comcast.net.Thanks,John ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
