Re: [Phono-L] Rare phonogaph cabinet/storage
Love to see it Ken! From: Ken and Brenda Brekke kb...@charter.net To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare phonogaph cabinet/storage Nice find!!! I have three different styles of these cabinets. Only one is all correct with the paper mache horn and swinging tone arm. I can take some pictures for you if you want. I do have a form to make the horns and have made one already and sold it at the Union Phonograph show. They are a bit complex and very time consuming to make. I hope to make some more horns this winter. Ken Brekke -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 7:49 PM To: phonolist Subject: [Phono-L] Rare phonogaph cabinet/storage Hi I have a question - A friend of mine found a rare Herzog 742cabinet that fits a cylinder phonograph inside it, and has cylinder drawers below. The model 740, which is similar, is pictured on the cover of Fabrizio and Paul's book Antique Phonograph Gadgets, Gizmos and Gimmicks. It is a rare bird indeed, the only thing is, the proprietary horn is not there. The 740 has a horn attached to the back of the grille which runs by means of a metal tube to the reproducer. Now since both cabinets are different, does anyone know if the 742 had the same proprietary horn? The first incarnation was for outside horn disc machines. Mr's Fabrizio and/or Paul, can you chime in please? John Robles Oh no I am gonna die - I just found out he got it here in my own town! Swoon... ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742
You know what the worst thing is about this? He is from Orange County, which is a couple of hours away, but he found it in a shop ten miles from my house. A shop I have never been to, but meant to go to on Friday! I would have had that machine if I had only gone in there when I meant to!!! Makes me sick... John From: Tim Fabrizio phonop...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Well, all those Herzogs for cylinder machines used an internal horn, though few seem to have retained them. I like Ken's idea about replicating them! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Aug 17, 2013 9:21 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Here is a pic, sorry, forgot the link! http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Herzog%20742 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem
Hello all I have a Diamond B reproducer with a curious problem. I went to rebuild it, and when I tried to unscrew the diaphragm retaining ring, it turned but did not want to come out. Finally I eased it out by unscrewing while working a small screwdriver blade under it to help push it outward. When it came out, I noticed that it had Scotch tape wrapped around it. When I removed the tape and went to screw it back into the reproducer, it fell to the bottom of the reproducer body. The threads did not engage with the body. I had another ring from a Diamond C and it did the same thing, but both rings worked in the Diamond C. I thought they were two different sized reproducer bodies, but apparently they are supposed to be the same diameter. A knowledgeable collector friend suggested that the pot metal body of the Diamond B might have expanded. Has anyone else had this happen? What would be a solution, other than shimming the ring again? Or is that THE solution? Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem
Normally the Diamond B does not expand that much unless it was stored where temperatures varied over the years like an unheated attic where it got very cold in the winter and very hot in the summer. Pot metal reproducer on Vancouver Island in the Victoria area remain pristine due to the relative small variance in temperature. Edison compression rings vary in diameter from 1.59 to 1.69. If the largest ring you have will not thread I use Teflon tape because it will allow easy removal. With the Model R and S you have the opposite problem and need a smaller ring. That's Pot Metal Folks. Steve Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 04:39:49 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Hello all I have a Diamond B reproducer with a curious problem. I went to rebuild it, and when I tried to unscrew the diaphragm retaining ring, it turned but did not want to come out. Finally I eased it out by unscrewing while working a small screwdriver blade under it to help push it outward. When it came out, I noticed that it had Scotch tape wrapped around it. When I removed the tape and went to screw it back into the reproducer, it fell to the bottom of the reproducer body. The threads did not engage with the body. I had another ring from a Diamond C and it did the same thing, but both rings worked in the Diamond C. I thought they were two different sized reproducer bodies, but apparently they are supposed to be the same diameter. A knowledgeable collector friend suggested that the pot metal body of the Diamond B might have expanded. Has anyone else had this happen? What would be a solution, other than shimming the ring again? Or is that THE solution? Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742
I have had that happen as well, I think many of us have. You kept driving by the antique shop and something was trying to entice you in, but you didn't act on it, and then you found out something really special was there, but someone else ended up with it because you didn't stop when you should have. It is a sick feeling that does stay with you, especially every time you pass the shop again and again. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:38:40 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 You know what the worst thing is about this? He is from Orange County, which is a couple of hours away, but he found it in a shop ten miles from my house. A shop I have never been to, but meant to go to on Friday! I would have had that machine if I had only gone in there when I meant to!!! Makes me sick... John From: Tim Fabrizio phonop...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Well, all those Herzogs for cylinder machines used an internal horn, though few seem to have retained them. I like Ken's idea about replicating them! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Aug 17, 2013 9:21 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Here is a pic, sorry, forgot the link! http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Herzog%20742 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem
pot metal = zinc die casting The problem has not gone away, just a longer time to failure. On 08/18/2013 07:26 AM, Steven Medved wrote: Normally the Diamond B does not expand that much unless it was stored where temperatures varied over the years like an unheated attic where it got very cold in the winter and very hot in the summer. Pot metal reproducer on Vancouver Island in the Victoria area remain pristine due to the relative small variance in temperature. Edison compression rings vary in diameter from 1.59 to 1.69. If the largest ring you have will not thread I use Teflon tape because it will allow easy removal. With the Model R and S you have the opposite problem and need a smaller ring. That's Pot Metal Folks. Steve Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 04:39:49 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Hello all I have a Diamond B reproducer with a curious problem. I went to rebuild it, and when I tried to unscrew the diaphragm retaining ring, it turned but did not want to come out. Finally I eased it out by unscrewing while working a small screwdriver blade under it to help push it outward. When it came out, I noticed that it had Scotch tape wrapped around it. When I removed the tape and went to screw it back into the reproducer, it fell to the bottom of the reproducer body. The threads did not engage with the body. I had another ring from a Diamond C and it did the same thing, but both rings worked in the Diamond C. I thought they were two different sized reproducer bodies, but apparently they are supposed to be the same diameter. A knowledgeable collector friend suggested that the pot metal body of the Diamond B might have expanded. Has anyone else had this happen? What would be a solution, other than shimming the ring again? Or is that THE solution? Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742
It sure does! From: bruce78...@comcast.net bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:56 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 I have had that happen as well, I think many of us have. You kept driving by the antique shop and something was trying to entice you in, but you didn't act on it, and then you found out something really special was there, but someone else ended up with it because you didn't stop when you should have. It is a sick feeling that does stay with you, especially every time you pass the shop again and again. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:38:40 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 You know what the worst thing is about this? He is from Orange County, which is a couple of hours away, but he found it in a shop ten miles from my house. A shop I have never been to, but meant to go to on Friday! I would have had that machine if I had only gone in there when I meant to!!! Makes me sick... John From: Tim Fabrizio phonop...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Well, all those Herzogs for cylinder machines used an internal horn, though few seem to have retained them. I like Ken's idea about replicating them! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Aug 17, 2013 9:21 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Here is a pic, sorry, forgot the link! http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Herzog%20742 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem
Steve, the diameter of both the Diamond B and Diamond C compressions rings is 1.66. The inside diameter of the Diamond C body is 1.66. The inner diameter of the Diamond B body ranges up to1.6730, and is slightly inconsistent in circumference. So there is obvious enlargement there. John From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Normally the Diamond B does not expand that much unless it was stored where temperatures varied over the years like an unheated attic where it got very cold in the winter and very hot in the summer. Pot metal reproducer on Vancouver Island in the Victoria area remain pristine due to the relative small variance in temperature. Edison compression rings vary in diameter from 1.59 to 1.69. If the largest ring you have will not thread I use Teflon tape because it will allow easy removal. With the Model R and S you have the opposite problem and need a smaller ring. That's Pot Metal Folks. Steve Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 04:39:49 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Hello all I have a Diamond B reproducer with a curious problem. I went to rebuild it, and when I tried to unscrew the diaphragm retaining ring, it turned but did not want to come out. Finally I eased it out by unscrewing while working a small screwdriver blade under it to help push it outward. When it came out, I noticed that it had Scotch tape wrapped around it. When I removed the tape and went to screw it back into the reproducer, it fell to the bottom of the reproducer body. The threads did not engage with the body. I had another ring from a Diamond C and it did the same thing, but both rings worked in the Diamond C. I thought they were two different sized reproducer bodies, but apparently they are supposed to be the same diameter. A knowledgeable collector friend suggested that the pot metal body of the Diamond B might have expanded. Has anyone else had this happen? What would be a solution, other than shimming the ring again? Or is that THE solution? Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742
From my own experience, stopping in antique shops can be more depressing than fruitful. In fact, I've pretty much given up, otherwise I'd have to take mega-doses of anti-depressants. The last time I actually found something in an antique shop was years, possibly decades ago. Of course, there are always the incidents such as John related which will fill the rest of us with resolve to stop at every antique shop, waiting for that 742 to appear -- but I prefer to enjoy my mental health and not trudge through aisles of discarded garage-sale glassware. I know that I may sound like a snob -- but in fact I'm too strongly affected by memory of what antique shops used to be in the distant past. What many seem to be now are repositories for what DIDN'T sell on eBay. Case in point --- My wife and I were visiting friends in coastal Maine, supposedly a good antiquing area. I was bored, so arranged with a pal to make a circuit of the antique shops in the area. Spent all day, and even attended a yearly antique show that was being held in a school gym. Many, many group shops, some individuals, but at least 20 shops were seen. The result --- ZILCH. Here's what I saw--- Gem Roller Organ (doesn't count, not a phonograph) Rollmonica (ditto) VV XI VV IX Run-of-the-mill Brunswick Diamond Disc C150 Some beat-up Diamond Discs Crapophone Box that once held a Jewel Phonoparts attachment So, I suppose the GOOD news is, me not stopping at antique shops means that everybody else gets all the good stuff I will be missing. I should say, in fairness, that my esteemed colleague Mr. Paul swears by stopping in shops and has found untold bounty in them. I guess somebody up there likes him! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio. -Original Message- From: bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Aug 18, 2013 9:12 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 I have had that happen as well, I think many of us have. You kept driving by the antique shop and something was trying to entice you in, but you didn't act on it, and then you found out something really special was there, but someone else ended up with it because you didn't stop when you should have. It is a sick feeling that does stay with you, especially every time you pass the shop again and again. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:38:40 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 You know what the worst thing is about this? He is from Orange County, which is a couple of hours away, but he found it in a shop ten miles from my house. A shop I have never been to, but meant to go to on Friday! I would have had that machine if I had only gone in there when I meant to!!! Makes me sick... John From: Tim Fabrizio phonop...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Well, all those Herzogs for cylinder machines used an internal horn, though few seem to have retained them. I like Ken's idea about replicating them! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Aug 17, 2013 9:21 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Here is a pic, sorry, forgot the link! http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Herzog%20742 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742
I'd like to have a good organette. Just not rich enough to afford most of them anymore. Used to be cheap! The best things I found in shops were a gold Exhibition and a Columbia grafonola reproucer, $50 for the pair; Original 14 witchs hat horn, $30...hmm...I think that is it...The phonographs I have found were run of the mill. John Robles From: Tim Fabrizio phonop...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 6:53 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 From my own experience, stopping in antique shops can be more depressing than fruitful. In fact, I've pretty much given up, otherwise I'd have to take mega-doses of anti-depressants. The last time I actually found something in an antique shop was years, possibly decades ago. Of course, there are always the incidents such as John related which will fill the rest of us with resolve to stop at every antique shop, waiting for that 742 to appear -- but I prefer to enjoy my mental health and not trudge through aisles of discarded garage-sale glassware. I know that I may sound like a snob -- but in fact I'm too strongly affected by memory of what antique shops used to be in the distant past. What many seem to be now are repositories for what DIDN'T sell on eBay. Case in point --- My wife and I were visiting friends in coastal Maine, supposedly a good antiquing area. I was bored, so arranged with a pal to make a circuit of the antique shops in the area. Spent all day, and even attended a yearly antique show that was being held in a school gym. Many, many group shops, some individuals, but at least 20 shops were seen. The result --- ZILCH. Here's what I saw--- Gem Roller Organ (doesn't count, not a phonograph) Rollmonica (ditto) VV XI VV IX Run-of-the-mill Brunswick Diamond Disc C150 Some beat-up Diamond Discs Crapophone Box that once held a Jewel Phonoparts attachment So, I suppose the GOOD news is, me not stopping at antique shops means that everybody else gets all the good stuff I will be missing. I should say, in fairness, that my esteemed colleague Mr. Paul swears by stopping in shops and has found untold bounty in them. I guess somebody up there likes him! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio. -Original Message- From: bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Aug 18, 2013 9:12 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 I have had that happen as well, I think many of us have. You kept driving by the antique shop and something was trying to entice you in, but you didn't act on it, and then you found out something really special was there, but someone else ended up with it because you didn't stop when you should have. It is a sick feeling that does stay with you, especially every time you pass the shop again and again. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:38:40 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 You know what the worst thing is about this? He is from Orange County, which is a couple of hours away, but he found it in a shop ten miles from my house. A shop I have never been to, but meant to go to on Friday! I would have had that machine if I had only gone in there when I meant to!!! Makes me sick... John From: Tim Fabrizio phonop...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Well, all those Herzogs for cylinder machines used an internal horn, though few seem to have retained them. I like Ken's idea about replicating them! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Aug 17, 2013 9:21 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Here is a pic, sorry, forgot the link! http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Herzog%20742 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742
Well, I don't really swear by stopping in shops. I usually swear as I'm leaving the shops empty-handed. Before I retired, my work involved almost-daily travel to ten different counties of our state. For the last 10 years or so of my work life, I took to eating while I drove, and invested my lunch hour in antique shopping. Despite the fond memories of what I found, I recall that my estimate was 1 find for every 25 stops. But I was already driving by those shops, so there was no harm in stopping. Nothing ventured... However, I've been retired for over 4 years now, and guess how many times I've made a special trip to go searching through antique shops that are out-of-town? None. Not once. I still stop in antique shops when I'm passing by, but I don't make special trips. It's just not worth the time and gas. As my esteemed colleague wrote, antique shops are not what they used to be. I'm fortunate that I live within 1/2 mile of THREE antique shops. I know the proprietors well, and they call me when they have something they think I'd like. And I do stop at shops if I'm driving by anyway... George P. -Original Message- From: Tim Fabrizio phonop...@aol.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Aug 18, 2013 10:30 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 From my own experience, stopping in antique shops can be more depressing than fruitful. In fact, I've pretty much given up, otherwise I'd have to take mega-doses of anti-depressants. The last time I actually found something in an antique shop was years, possibly decades ago. Of course, there are always the incidents such as John related which will fill the rest of us with resolve to stop at every antique shop, waiting for that 742 to appear -- but I prefer to enjoy my mental health and not trudge through aisles of discarded garage-sale glassware. I know that I may sound like a snob -- but in fact I'm too strongly affected by memory of what antique shops used to be in the distant past. What many seem to be now are repositories for what DIDN'T sell on eBay. Case in point --- My wife and I were visiting friends in coastal Maine, supposedly a good antiquing area. I was bored, so arranged with a pal to make a circuit of the antique shops in the area. Spent all day, and even attended a yearly antique show that was being held in a school gym. Many, many group shops, some individuals, but at least 20 shops were seen. The result --- ZILCH. Here's what I saw--- Gem Roller Organ (doesn't count, not a phonograph) Rollmonica (ditto) VV XI VV IX Run-of-the-mill Brunswick Diamond Disc C150 Some beat-up Diamond Discs Crapophone Box that once held a Jewel Phonoparts attachment So, I suppose the GOOD news is, me not stopping at antique shops means that everybody else gets all the good stuff I will be missing. I should say, in fairness, that my esteemed colleague Mr. Paul swears by stopping in shops and has found untold bounty in them. I guess somebody up there likes him! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio. -Original Message- From: bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Aug 18, 2013 9:12 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 I have had that happen as well, I think many of us have. You kept driving by the antique shop and something was trying to entice you in, but you didn't act on it, and then you found out something really special was there, but someone else ended up with it because you didn't stop when you should have. It is a sick feeling that does stay with you, especially every time you pass the shop again and again. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:38:40 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 You know what the worst thing is about this? He is from Orange County, which is a couple of hours away, but he found it in a shop ten miles from my house. A shop I have never been to, but meant to go to on Friday! I would have had that machine if I had only gone in there when I meant to!!! Makes me sick... John From: Tim Fabrizio phonop...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Well, all those Herzogs for cylinder machines used an internal horn, though few seem to have retained them. I like Ken's idea about replicating them! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Aug 17, 2013 9:21 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Here is a pic, sorry, forgot the link! http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Herzog%20742 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Electric pen
I think its purpose (the voting machine) was speeding-up the tabulation of the congressional voting procedure (to save time). But since the traditional procedure (state by state, etc) indeed took a lot of time, which allowed for ongoing arm-twisting, and persuasion, etc., no one really wanted what Edison offered (instant) - he would have done away with that cushion of time... He said he learned his lesson and would not again make things that people didn't want. Allen -- In a message dated 8/17/2013 2:36:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rich-m...@octoxol.com writes: The vote recorder was an early attempt to restrict/prevent ballot box stuffing. It is intuitively obvious that here would be loud and scurrilous resistance to such a device. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem
John, Measure them in different places. Steve Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 06:49:58 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Steve, the diameter of both the Diamond B and Diamond C compressions rings is 1.66. The inside diameter of the Diamond C body is 1.66. The inner diameter of the Diamond B body ranges up to1.6730, and is slightly inconsistent in circumference. So there is obvious enlargement there. John From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Normally the Diamond B does not expand that much unless it was stored where temperatures varied over the years like an unheated attic where it got very cold in the winter and very hot in the summer. Pot metal reproducer on Vancouver Island in the Victoria area remain pristine due to the relative small variance in temperature. Edison compression rings vary in diameter from 1.59 to 1.69. If the largest ring you have will not thread I use Teflon tape because it will allow easy removal. With the Model R and S you have the opposite problem and need a smaller ring. That's Pot Metal Folks. Steve Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 04:39:49 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Hello all I have a Diamond B reproducer with a curious problem. I went to rebuild it, and when I tried to unscrew the diaphragm retaining ring, it turned but did not want to come out. Finally I eased it out by unscrewing while working a small screwdriver blade under it to help push it outward. When it came out, I noticed that it had Scotch tape wrapped around it. When I removed the tape and went to screw it back into the reproducer, it fell to the bottom of the reproducer body. The threads did not engage with the body. I had another ring from a Diamond C and it did the same thing, but both rings worked in the Diamond C. I thought they were two different sized reproducer bodies, but apparently they are supposed to be the same diameter. A knowledgeable collector friend suggested that the pot metal body of the Diamond B might have expanded. Has anyone else had this happen? What would be a solution, other than shimming the ring again? Or is that THE solution? Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742
now tim i just bought my second rollmonica with two cranks and a killer columbia by in a local shop lol zono In a message dated 8/18/2013 10:30:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, phonop...@aol.com writes: From my own experience, stopping in antique shops can be more depressing than fruitful. In fact, I've pretty much given up, otherwise I'd have to take mega-doses of anti-depressants. The last time I actually found something in an antique shop was years, possibly decades ago. Of course, there are always the incidents such as John related which will fill the rest of us with resolve to stop at every antique shop, waiting for that 742 to appear -- but I prefer to enjoy my mental health and not trudge through aisles of discarded garage-sale glassware. I know that I may sound like a snob -- but in fact I'm too strongly affected by memory of what antique shops used to be in the distant past. What many seem to be now are repositories for what DIDN'T sell on eBay. Case in point --- My wife and I were visiting friends in coastal Maine, supposedly a good antiquing area. I was bored, so arranged with a pal to make a circuit of the antique shops in the area. Spent all day, and even attended a yearly antique show that was being held in a school gym. Many, many group shops, some individuals, but at least 20 shops were seen. The result --- ZILCH. Here's what I saw--- Gem Roller Organ (doesn't count, not a phonograph) Rollmonica (ditto) VV XI VV IX Run-of-the-mill Brunswick Diamond Disc C150 Some beat-up Diamond Discs Crapophone Box that once held a Jewel Phonoparts attachment So, I suppose the GOOD news is, me not stopping at antique shops means that everybody else gets all the good stuff I will be missing. I should say, in fairness, that my esteemed colleague Mr. Paul swears by stopping in shops and has found untold bounty in them. I guess somebody up there likes him! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio. -Original Message- From: bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Aug 18, 2013 9:12 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 I have had that happen as well, I think many of us have. You kept driving by the antique shop and something was trying to entice you in, but you didn't act on it, and then you found out something really special was there, but someone else ended up with it because you didn't stop when you should have. It is a sick feeling that does stay with you, especially every time you pass the shop again and again. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:38:40 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 You know what the worst thing is about this? He is from Orange County, which is a couple of hours away, but he found it in a shop ten miles from my house. A shop I have never been to, but meant to go to on Friday! I would have had that machine if I had only gone in there when I meant to!!! Makes me sick... John From: Tim Fabrizio phonop...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Well, all those Herzogs for cylinder machines used an internal horn, though few seem to have retained them. I like Ken's idea about replicating them! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Aug 17, 2013 9:21 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Here is a pic, sorry, forgot the link! http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Herzog%20742 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem
It's a brass ring, right? I wonder if you could slit the ring and soft solder in a spacer that is either just shy of the threads or filed to match the threads? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 9:50 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Steve, the diameter of both the Diamond B and Diamond C compressions rings is 1.66. The inside diameter of the Diamond C body is 1.66. The inner diameter of the Diamond B body ranges up to1.6730, and is slightly inconsistent in circumference. So there is obvious enlargement there. John From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Normally the Diamond B does not expand that much unless it was stored where temperatures varied over the years like an unheated attic where it got very cold in the winter and very hot in the summer. Pot metal reproducer on Vancouver Island in the Victoria area remain pristine due to the relative small variance in temperature. Edison compression rings vary in diameter from 1.59 to 1.69. If the largest ring you have will not thread I use Teflon tape because it will allow easy removal. With the Model R and S you have the opposite problem and need a smaller ring. That's Pot Metal Folks. Steve Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 04:39:49 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Hello all I have a Diamond B reproducer with a curious problem. I went to rebuild it, and when I tried to unscrew the diaphragm retaining ring, it turned but did not want to come out. Finally I eased it out by unscrewing while working a small screwdriver blade under it to help push it outward. When it came out, I noticed that it had Scotch tape wrapped around it. When I removed the tape and went to screw it back into the reproducer, it fell to the bottom of the reproducer body. The threads did not engage with the body. I had another ring from a Diamond C and it did the same thing, but both rings worked in the Diamond C. I thought they were two different sized reproducer bodies, but apparently they are supposed to be the same diameter. A knowledgeable collector friend suggested that the pot metal body of the Diamond B might have expanded. Has anyone else had this happen? What would be a solution, other than shimming the ring again? Or is that THE solution? Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem
I did, in 6 places On Aug 18, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: John, Measure them in different places. Steve Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 06:49:58 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Steve, the diameter of both the Diamond B and Diamond C compressions rings is 1.66. The inside diameter of the Diamond C body is 1.66. The inner diameter of the Diamond B body ranges up to1.6730, and is slightly inconsistent in circumference. So there is obvious enlargement there. John From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Normally the Diamond B does not expand that much unless it was stored where temperatures varied over the years like an unheated attic where it got very cold in the winter and very hot in the summer. Pot metal reproducer on Vancouver Island in the Victoria area remain pristine due to the relative small variance in temperature. Edison compression rings vary in diameter from 1.59 to 1.69. If the largest ring you have will not thread I use Teflon tape because it will allow easy removal. With the Model R and S you have the opposite problem and need a smaller ring. That's Pot Metal Folks. Steve Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 04:39:49 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Hello all I have a Diamond B reproducer with a curious problem. I went to rebuild it, and when I tried to unscrew the diaphragm retaining ring, it turned but did not want to come out. Finally I eased it out by unscrewing while working a small screwdriver blade under it to help push it outward. When it came out, I noticed that it had Scotch tape wrapped around it. When I removed the tape and went to screw it back into the reproducer, it fell to the bottom of the reproducer body. The threads did not engage with the body. I had another ring from a Diamond C and it did the same thing, but both rings worked in the Diamond C. I thought they were two different sized reproducer bodies, but apparently they are supposed to be the same diameter. A knowledgeable collector friend suggested that the pot metal body of the Diamond B might have expanded. Has anyone else had this happen? What would be a solution, other than shimming the ring again? Or is that THE solution? Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem
Hello John, Your measurement was correct, sometimes they measure differently in different places. There are several different styles of the rings, some are oxidized, some are nickel plated. Some have two holes, some four. Some have two slots, some are made like the common CHK rings which also came with two slots. Steve From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 12:55:02 -0700 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem I did, in 6 places On Aug 18, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: John, Measure them in different places. Steve Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 06:49:58 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Steve, the diameter of both the Diamond B and Diamond C compressions rings is 1.66. The inside diameter of the Diamond C body is 1.66. The inner diameter of the Diamond B body ranges up to1.6730, and is slightly inconsistent in circumference. So there is obvious enlargement there. John From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Normally the Diamond B does not expand that much unless it was stored where temperatures varied over the years like an unheated attic where it got very cold in the winter and very hot in the summer. Pot metal reproducer on Vancouver Island in the Victoria area remain pristine due to the relative small variance in temperature. Edison compression rings vary in diameter from 1.59 to 1.69. If the largest ring you have will not thread I use Teflon tape because it will allow easy removal. With the Model R and S you have the opposite problem and need a smaller ring. That's Pot Metal Folks. Steve Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 04:39:49 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Hello all I have a Diamond B reproducer with a curious problem. I went to rebuild it, and when I tried to unscrew the diaphragm retaining ring, it turned but did not want to come out. Finally I eased it out by unscrewing while working a small screwdriver blade under it to help push it outward. When it came out, I noticed that it had Scotch tape wrapped around it. When I removed the tape and went to screw it back into the reproducer, it fell to the bottom of the reproducer body. The threads did not engage with the body. I had another ring from a Diamond C and it did the same thing, but both rings worked in the Diamond C. I thought they were two different sized reproducer bodies, but apparently they are supposed to be the same diameter. A knowledgeable collector friend suggested that the pot metal body of the Diamond B might have expanded. Has anyone else had this happen? What would be a solution, other than shimming the ring again? Or is that THE solution? Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem
Ron L, Excellent idea, I would lack the skill and equipment to do it, no wonder that would never have entered my mind. I have thought about a giant tap for the ones that have shrunk, do you know the size? Steve From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 15:13:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem It's a brass ring, right? I wonder if you could slit the ring and soft solder in a spacer that is either just shy of the threads or filed to match the threads? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 9:50 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Steve, the diameter of both the Diamond B and Diamond C compressions rings is 1.66. The inside diameter of the Diamond C body is 1.66. The inner diameter of the Diamond B body ranges up to1.6730, and is slightly inconsistent in circumference. So there is obvious enlargement there. John From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Normally the Diamond B does not expand that much unless it was stored where temperatures varied over the years like an unheated attic where it got very cold in the winter and very hot in the summer. Pot metal reproducer on Vancouver Island in the Victoria area remain pristine due to the relative small variance in temperature. Edison compression rings vary in diameter from 1.59 to 1.69. If the largest ring you have will not thread I use Teflon tape because it will allow easy removal. With the Model R and S you have the opposite problem and need a smaller ring. That's Pot Metal Folks. Steve Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 04:39:49 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Hello all I have a Diamond B reproducer with a curious problem. I went to rebuild it, and when I tried to unscrew the diaphragm retaining ring, it turned but did not want to come out. Finally I eased it out by unscrewing while working a small screwdriver blade under it to help push it outward. When it came out, I noticed that it had Scotch tape wrapped around it. When I removed the tape and went to screw it back into the reproducer, it fell to the bottom of the reproducer body. The threads did not engage with the body. I had another ring from a Diamond C and it did the same thing, but both rings worked in the Diamond C. I thought they were two different sized reproducer bodies, but apparently they are supposed to be the same diameter. A knowledgeable collector friend suggested that the pot metal body of the Diamond B might have expanded. Has anyone else had this happen? What would be a solution, other than shimming the ring again? Or is that THE solution? Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Wanted: Columbia tonearm assembly for Portable 150
Hello Phono-L Pholk, I'm looking for a tonearm assembly for a rare 1926 Columbia portable, model 150 (page 204 in the Columbia Phonograph Companion, Vol. II). I'm looking for the arm and mount but do not require a reproducer. Any leads would be appreciated. I don't recall how this list handles attachments, but I'll try to attach a photo of a 150 recently sold whole on eBay for reference. Many thanks! Arvin -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 150.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 320490 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20130818/7a0aca04/attachment.jpeg ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem
These both have 4 holes. On Aug 18, 2013, at 2:44 PM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: Hello John, Your measurement was correct, sometimes they measure differently in different places. There are several different styles of the rings, some are oxidized, some are nickel plated. Some have two holes, some four. Some have two slots, some are made like the common CHK rings which also came with two slots. Steve From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 12:55:02 -0700 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem I did, in 6 places On Aug 18, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: John, Measure them in different places. Steve Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 06:49:58 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Steve, the diameter of both the Diamond B and Diamond C compressions rings is 1.66. The inside diameter of the Diamond C body is 1.66. The inner diameter of the Diamond B body ranges up to1.6730, and is slightly inconsistent in circumference. So there is obvious enlargement there. John From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Normally the Diamond B does not expand that much unless it was stored where temperatures varied over the years like an unheated attic where it got very cold in the winter and very hot in the summer. Pot metal reproducer on Vancouver Island in the Victoria area remain pristine due to the relative small variance in temperature. Edison compression rings vary in diameter from 1.59 to 1.69. If the largest ring you have will not thread I use Teflon tape because it will allow easy removal. With the Model R and S you have the opposite problem and need a smaller ring. That's Pot Metal Folks. Steve Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 04:39:49 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Hello all I have a Diamond B reproducer with a curious problem. I went to rebuild it, and when I tried to unscrew the diaphragm retaining ring, it turned but did not want to come out. Finally I eased it out by unscrewing while working a small screwdriver blade under it to help push it outward. When it came out, I noticed that it had Scotch tape wrapped around it. When I removed the tape and went to screw it back into the reproducer, it fell to the bottom of the reproducer body. The threads did not engage with the body. I had another ring from a Diamond C and it did the same thing, but both rings worked in the Diamond C. I thought they were two different sized reproducer bodies, but apparently they are supposed to be the same diameter. A knowledgeable collector friend suggested that the pot metal body of the Diamond B might have expanded. Has anyone else had this happen? What would be a solution, other than shimming the ring again? Or is that THE solution? Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem
I don't know if there are taps that size. My guess is that a large rod was threaded by cutting the threads in a lathe and then the rod was sliced to make the rings. The interior threads may have been lathe cut as well. Ron -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:48 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Ron L, Excellent idea, I would lack the skill and equipment to do it, no wonder that would never have entered my mind. I have thought about a giant tap for the ones that have shrunk, do you know the size? Steve From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 15:13:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem It's a brass ring, right? I wonder if you could slit the ring and soft solder in a spacer that is either just shy of the threads or filed to match the threads? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 9:50 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Steve, the diameter of both the Diamond B and Diamond C compressions rings is 1.66. The inside diameter of the Diamond C body is 1.66. The inner diameter of the Diamond B body ranges up to1.6730, and is slightly inconsistent in circumference. So there is obvious enlargement there. John From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Normally the Diamond B does not expand that much unless it was stored where temperatures varied over the years like an unheated attic where it got very cold in the winter and very hot in the summer. Pot metal reproducer on Vancouver Island in the Victoria area remain pristine due to the relative small variance in temperature. Edison compression rings vary in diameter from 1.59 to 1.69. If the largest ring you have will not thread I use Teflon tape because it will allow easy removal. With the Model R and S you have the opposite problem and need a smaller ring. That's Pot Metal Folks. Steve Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 04:39:49 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Hello all I have a Diamond B reproducer with a curious problem. I went to rebuild it, and when I tried to unscrew the diaphragm retaining ring, it turned but did not want to come out. Finally I eased it out by unscrewing while working a small screwdriver blade under it to help push it outward. When it came out, I noticed that it had Scotch tape wrapped around it. When I removed the tape and went to screw it back into the reproducer, it fell to the bottom of the reproducer body. The threads did not engage with the body. I had another ring from a Diamond C and it did the same thing, but both rings worked in the Diamond C. I thought they were two different sized reproducer bodies, but apparently they are supposed to be the same diameter. A knowledgeable collector friend suggested that the pot metal body of the Diamond B might have expanded. Has anyone else had this happen? What would be a solution, other than shimming the ring again? Or is that THE solution? Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem
If it is a zinc die casting they were cast. The retaining rings were probably machined. On 08/18/2013 08:36 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: I don't know if there are taps that size. My guess is that a large rod was threaded by cutting the threads in a lathe and then the rod was sliced to make the rings. The interior threads may have been lathe cut as well. Ron -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:48 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Ron L, Excellent idea, I would lack the skill and equipment to do it, no wonder that would never have entered my mind. I have thought about a giant tap for the ones that have shrunk, do you know the size? Steve From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 15:13:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem It's a brass ring, right? I wonder if you could slit the ring and soft solder in a spacer that is either just shy of the threads or filed to match the threads? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 9:50 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Steve, the diameter of both the Diamond B and Diamond C compressions rings is 1.66. The inside diameter of the Diamond C body is 1.66. The inner diameter of the Diamond B body ranges up to1.6730, and is slightly inconsistent in circumference. So there is obvious enlargement there. John From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Normally the Diamond B does not expand that much unless it was stored where temperatures varied over the years like an unheated attic where it got very cold in the winter and very hot in the summer. Pot metal reproducer on Vancouver Island in the Victoria area remain pristine due to the relative small variance in temperature. Edison compression rings vary in diameter from 1.59 to 1.69. If the largest ring you have will not thread I use Teflon tape because it will allow easy removal. With the Model R and S you have the opposite problem and need a smaller ring. That's Pot Metal Folks. Steve Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 04:39:49 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Curious Diamond B problem Hello all I have a Diamond B reproducer with a curious problem. I went to rebuild it, and when I tried to unscrew the diaphragm retaining ring, it turned but did not want to come out. Finally I eased it out by unscrewing while working a small screwdriver blade under it to help push it outward. When it came out, I noticed that it had Scotch tape wrapped around it. When I removed the tape and went to screw it back into the reproducer, it fell to the bottom of the reproducer body. The threads did not engage with the body. I had another ring from a Diamond C and it did the same thing, but both rings worked in the Diamond C. I thought they were two different sized reproducer bodies, but apparently they are supposed to be the same diameter. A knowledgeable collector friend suggested that the pot metal body of the Diamond B might have expanded. Has anyone else had this happen? What would be a solution, other than shimming the ring again? Or is that THE solution? Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
