[Phono-L] Snagged on eBay -- did it bite me?
Congratulations, that is an excellent buy. My only question would be: How did you find it? What did you search under? - Original Message - From: Chris Kocsis chris...@cox.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:47 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Snagged on eBay -- did it bite me? Hi all, this is on its way to me. I'm a novice at phonographs and don't know what it is (my specialty is old light bulbs). Anyone care to tell me? I'll be able to answer specific questions (like does it have a stylus?) when it comes http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:ITitem=200263341078 Best, Chris ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless
Yes, that was the Peerless with the Blue Amberol Cylinder on it. I was wondering myself about that. Especially since the seller told me that he played it and it sounded fine. The machine was in super nice condition as I remember. Bruce - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless What was the record that was on the mandrel or am I getting machines mixed up? Steve Hi, you can hang and quarter me now. I was the one who bought the BF Columbia, reasons for it. Was in unmolested condtion, or am I too fussy? This guy firebottles gets some nice gear. He had a BG, with all the bells and whistles, sold for $2,800. Even though the cabinet had been repolished, with Sheble and Howthorne Nickle horn, and matching crane? There was also a nice AZ nothing special with aftermarth horn and stand and that went for $2,400. Is beauty in the eye of the beholder? Well, now I am looking for a nice nickle horn for it, so I put out to the universe, can someone help me here? Cheers Mark ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless
Wow, I never thought of that !! A two minute Blue Amberol Cylinder?? Could that be what drove the price up?? The Strange thing is that I actually sent the owner an email asking him if he played the blue amberol on the BF, he answered that he did and it sounded fine. Bruce - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless Maybe he's got one of those 2 min. Amberols. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Loran Hughes Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 7:10 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless I agree with George. The price is as funky as the BA will sound ;) Loran On Oct 15, 2008, at 3:57 PM, George Glastris wrote: It seems quite high, but all the bidders are fairly new. And no, there is no 4-minute attachment on it so that Blue Amberol is going to sound funky. George ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320309111547ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123 This price looks a somewhat high for this machine. Is there something I am not seeing here. I notice it has a blue Amberol cylinder on it, could it have been converted to play 4 minute cylinders?? Bruce
[Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless
Thanks, as I thought. I had never heard of a 4 minute BF Peerless, and I have one exactly like it. yes indeed, must have some funky bidders out there, funking up the prices. Bruce - Original Message - From: Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BF Peerless I agree with George. The price is as funky as the BA will sound ;) Loran On Oct 15, 2008, at 3:57 PM, George Glastris wrote: It seems quite high, but all the bidders are fairly new. And no, there is no 4-minute attachment on it so that Blue Amberol is going to sound funky. George ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] McGinty at the Living Pictures
Ok here you go, here is the cylinder. You can decide what McGinty saw up there on the stage to drive him into an uncontrollable Frenzy doing the Hoochie Coochie dance!! Have fun. http://ia311532.us.archive.org/3/items/EdwardMFavor/EdwardMFavor-McGintyattheLivingPictures.mp3 Bruce - Original Message - From: Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] McGinty at the Living Pictures Very close, Bruce. Live performers recreate scenes in famous paintings. Loran On Oct 9, 2008, at 6:22 PM, BruceY wrote: Two very nice additions to the list. What was the Difference between a Living Picture Show, as opposed to a Moving Picture show. I have tried to find an explanation on line but can't find one. I am just guessing, but maybe an early form of late 19th century amusement where the performers actually appeared on stage in a big giant frame in still form and then came to life to perform? Just a guess, if anyone else knows please enlighten me. I had never heard the reference to Living Pictures before and assumed it was an early reference to the first motion pictures. An obvious mistake on my part. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] McGinty at the Living Pictures
Two very nice additions to the list. What was the Difference between a Living Picture Show, as opposed to a Moving Picture show. I have tried to find an explanation on line but can't find one. I am just guessing, but maybe an early form of late 19th century amusement where the performers actually appeared on stage in a big giant frame in still form and then came to life to perform? Just a guess, if anyone else knows please enlighten me. I had never heard the reference to Living Pictures before and assumed it was an early reference to the first motion pictures. An obvious mistake on my part. Bruce - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] McGinty at the Living Pictures Don't forget Billy Murray's great Blue Amberols 'He's Working in the Movies Now' and 'Since Mother Goes to Movie Shows'. --- On Thu, 10/9/08, BruceY Bruce78rpm at comcast.net wrote: From: BruceY Bruce78rpm at comcast.net Subject: [Phono-L] McGinty at the Living Pictures To: phonolist at yahoogroups.com Cc: Phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 5:49 PM At a recent meeting of our MAPS chapter phonograph Society, one of our members demonstrated how early moving Pictures were shown using an Edison Kinetoscope. This brought to mind some of the early phonograph records made which refer to early movies or motion pictures, some of which I have in my collection, including At the Moving Picture Ball (on an Edison BA), Take your Girlie to the Movies, on both Victor (by Billy Murray) Columbia by Irving Kaufman, Ever Since the Movies learned to talk by Billy Murray, If I had a Talking Picture of you, by various artists, and the earliest McGinty at the Living Pictures by Edward M. Favor on Columbia black wax two minute Cylinder 32495. I am sure there are others, but I was curious if there were any earlier then the McGinty song which from what I understand was originally recorded by Favor in 1897, I believe my Columbia is a 1904 effort by Favor. Also feel free to add to the list of the others titles that I'm sure must exist from th e first couple decades of the twentieth century. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Sonora Baby Grand - Free Delivery to Wayne
Wow, what a gorgeous phonograph. These Herzog built and patented Sonora bulge style cabinet phonographs very seldom come up. Someone will get a really good deal on this one, best of luck and thank for posting this so we could all see it. Brce - Original Message - From: gregory caringi drgr...@msn.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 2:17 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora Baby Grand - Free Delivery to Wayne My wife has advised me that we need more dining space in our dining room. I am offering up for sale a beautiful Sonora Baby Grand, complete with original Owner's Manual and Guaranty. It is in very nice, original condition. I purchased it from a reputable, local dealer in December 2003. He rebuilt the motor. It runs smooth, strong and quiet. I later had the reproducer rebuilt and tuned by expert phono tech, Bob Snyder. It sounds as good as it looks. I need to get $500 for this machine. I have much more into it. Local pick-up in the Philadelphia area, or I will deliver it at no charge to the MME in Wayne, NJ, next Sunday. There are pictures on the OTVVMB. http://sonoraman.proboards107.com/index.cgi?board=Swapaction=displaythread=9530 Any questions or if you would like to see additional pictures, e-mail me at: DrGregC at msn.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] What a Beauty
http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/clt/847932047.html Now that's better. The seller has come to his senses and dropped the price on this rare beauty imported from India, circa 1930. Now how can you pass it up??
[Phono-L] What a Beauty
http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/clt/843879502.html My goodness, what a beauty and at such a bargain price!!
[Phono-L] What a Beauty !!!!
That is priceless, someone should send it to the generous seller who is listing it, so he or she can incorporate it into the description. Bruce - Original Message - From: Douglas Curran batwings78...@msn.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 10:43 PM Subject: [Phono-L] What a Beauty Greetings: A friend and collector writes the following re http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/clt/843879502.html = Wow! One of the extremely rare glass-cased Disk Grapho-Claxtophones! I surely wish I lived close enough to pick it up; as you say, a bargain price. As I understand it, only 5 of these machines were manufactured in a joint venture by Claxton and Columbia for display at the 1903 World's Fair in Dubuque, Iowa (theme: Corn: A Benefactor to Man), where the clear case was intended to display the superioriority of a motor those two firms had developed over that employed by Victor in its top-end machines. None were thought to have survived the trip back to the Columbia factory following the exhibition, as a careless rail baggage clerk dropped the shipping case in which they had been packed, but I guess one must have after all. That is a major rarity, and I'm really excited to see it. Thanks for sharing! I hope that whoever buys it knows how to restore that case. The best bet would probably be Black Windex, which combines regular glass cleaner with rotten stone abrasive to remove the century-plus accumulation of fingerprints and grime. = Cheers, etc. Doug -- _ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Gramophone Company Period style victrola ?
I have just been contacted by a lady in Massachusetts who has what appears to be a very large and elaborate Period Style Cabinet Victrola. It has Victor Victrola Style parts, and #2 Reproducer, but inside the elaborate cabinet are the words Gramophone Co. This is an internal horn style victrola but for some reason it also has an additional early style electric pickup and tone arm with it. It does have a motor in it to turn the turntable, and I will see if the owner can identify it as either the early induction or universal type. Can anyone out there, maybe some of our friends across the pond positively identify the cabinet styles that were used in the Gramophone Company Period style victrolas. If you think you can, I will gladly send you some photos of the this monster for you to identify and get back to me. It is a real space taker upper and I must admit I have never ever seen one of these before. I checked Look for the dog and it does not match any of the Victor Period Style Cabinets. She said this was originally purchased from a Wellesley, Massachusetts estate aution. thanks for your help on this. Bruce
[Phono-L] Gramophone Company Period style victrola ?
Ok here is some clarification on this beast!! Here is the photo of the Cabinet. I will warn you though this is starting to look like a Frankenphone to me. The lady just sent me some addtional information. She told me initially that the word stamped on the Cabinet said Gramophone, but upon closer inspection it says Graphophone!!! Also inside one of the draws was an ID plate that I will assume belongs to the motor, and it identifies the motor as Electric Phonograph Motor for Alternating Current only 100/120 volts 20-60 mfg. for the Pathe/Freres Co. by General Electric!! So we appear to have a Columbia Case, a Pathe motor and Victor parts!! Not a very good sign indeed. Let me know what you think about the case, she said it opens up to reveal the phonograph, the two middle doors open for the horn and the two on either side are for records storage. Bruce - Original Message - From: Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Gramophone Company Period style victrola ? One thing that will funnel us into the era of the Victrola's manufacture is the electric pickup, if nothing else. With Victor, it couldn't have been before 1925. Also, the induction disc motor appeared with the introduction of the Orthophonic phonographs. That seems to track with Bob Baumbach. Now, we need to remember that a lot of cities had DC power districts, so the universal motor was kept in the catalogues along with the induction disc motor. The universal motor began about 1915, but not the magnetic pickup!! The only other thought on this is, that this Victrola could have began its life with a spring motor and acoustic sound chamber. If the cabinet is as fine as it seems to be from the descriptions, the owner could have had a dealer do a conversion. [Original Message] From: BruceY Bruce78rpm at comcast.net To: Phono-l at oldcrank.org Cc: phonolist at yahoogroups.com Date: 9/1/2008 4:50:38 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Gramophone Company Period style victrola ? I have just been contacted by a lady in Massachusetts who has what appears to be a very large and elaborate Period Style Cabinet Victrola. It has Victor Victrola Style parts, and #2 Reproducer, but inside the elaborate cabinet are the words Gramophone Co. This is an internal horn style victrola but for some reason it also has an additional early style electric pickup and tone arm with it. It does have a motor in it to turn the turntable, and I will see if the owner can identify it as either the early induction or universal type. Can anyone out there, maybe some of our friends across the pond positively identify the cabinet styles that were used in the Gramophone Company Period style victrolas. If you think you can, I will gladly send you some photos of the this monster for you to identify and get back to me. It is a real space taker upper and I must admit I have never ever seen one of these before. I checked Look for the dog and it does not match any of the Victor Period Style Cabinets. She said this was originally purchased from a Wellesley, Massachusetts estate aution. thanks for your help on this. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Columbia Concert Cylinder
http://cgi.ebay.com/Columbia-Concert-Grand-Phonograph-Cylinder-Graphophone_W0QQitemZ360080128451QQihZ023QQcategoryZ38028QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Can someone explain to me why there are 11 bids on this Columbia Concert Cylinder? It must be the box, because the cylinder sure as heck is not going to play. Bruce
[Phono-L] Skinner Auction
George must be slipping, He has Billy Galvin singing Turkey in the Straw, and George Johnson singing The Laughing Sailor?? Just a heads up, you may want to go in and change the description. http://www.skinnerinc.com/asp/fullCatalogue.asp?salelot=2419+740+refno=++759690saletype= Bruce
[Phono-L] Early Edison DD take numbers and other questions...
Congratulations Glen, that appears to be a really early find of Edison DD's with boxes and binders. I picked up some DD's years ago that were in binders also 10 records per, but they say Edison Recreations on the front and also have gold letters on the top of the back binder, along with a metal pull and again the words Edison Re-Creations right under the Gold Letter. Your's appear to be much earlier. Bruce - Original Message - From: Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 9:54 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Early Edison DD take numbers and other questions... Hi Folks, I hit the Edison jackpot this weekend. I came home with about 115 Edison records. Twenty four of them were in original Edison boxes, one needle type and a Let Us Not Forget. In all, a good day! There were some interesting peculiarities about the bunch though which leads to some questions. I haven't looked at all Edison DDs in the past but I've only ever seen take letters after the matrix number. I pulled out several of these early ones from the boxes and I see take numbers. I checked them against a DD spreadsheet I have (don't remember who sent it to me but it's a complete list of takes and matrix numbers) and only take letters are listed for these records, not numbers. Is it possible these are different takes or perhaps my take 2 is actually considered B? I don't have doubles of any of these to compare. Another peculiarity is 6 discs (not in boxes) that have the Explanatory talk by Harry Humphrey on the L side. However, they don't have the engraved label, it's blank. The matrix number and take letter are there but no label. Could these be early pressings they were trying to get out the door so quick they didn't finish engraving the mold? 50 of the records came in thick binders (10 records to a binder) that say Edison Records in the spine. I'm positive they weren't made by Edison as there's no Edison company info on it anywhere but found it interesting as I'd never seen binders before specifically for Edison DDs. The last peculiarity I've seen before. A one sided DD that should have a second side but it's blank. It's supposed to have the Explanatory Talk on the other side. It's 82521. I'm guessing again that this was an issue of needing to get it out the door quickly before the other side was done. For those that are interested for discographic reasons I'd be happy to put together a spreadsheet of these early ones with matrix and take numbers for comparison. Just let me know. I've also noted that the boxes come in two colors, green for the 8 series and blue for the 82000 and 82500 series. Did the 5 series ever have boxes as well? If so, what color were the boxes? Were there any other colors used? Lastly, is there a record considered to be the first released DD? Thanks, Glenn ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Exceptional Service
Yes, ditto on that. George is trying to track down an item for me right now, and most of the time he comes through. Very thorough, and you are correct, always a pleasure to deal with. Bruce - Original Message - From: Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Exceptional Service Folks, I just want to publicly thank George Vollema... I had a small list of needs that I emailed to him last week. He came though for me on everything. He took the time to follow up with a couple of questions to ensure I got the right parts and got them out to me pretty darned fast. Oh, and he's always a pleasure to deal with! Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Electric Credenza
Hi Nick, did you have a chance to double check the size for me? I am still looking for a decorative top spindle for the Grill on the Credenza. The size is just short of 14 3/4 long. Thanks again for any help you can give me on this. Bruce - Original Message - From: Nick Manolakis nippe...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Electric Credenza Hi Bruce If you need one for a Credenza X I have one for a Four door . But I am pretty sure the one you need is a larger one . Can you email the size and I can double check. Nick - Original Message - From: Douglas Houston cdh041 at earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org; Phono-l at oldcrank.org Cc: phonolist at yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Electric Credenza Well, first off, get it, whatever you do. The electric motor is a big plus, if you're going to play it very much, and I'm sure you will. I've had one for 40 years or more, and love playing it. As far as the missing grille parts are concerned, I'm sure that someone on thos board will be able to steer you to them. You will see pictures of Credenzas, with three lower vertical bars in the speaker grille, and some with the center bar missing. I believe that the ones with the three bars were the very early ones. My 8-30X has two bars. [Original Message] From: BruceY Bruce78rpm at comcast.net To: Phono-l at oldcrank.org Cc: phonolist at yahoogroups.com Date: 8/5/2008 2:22:14 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Electric Credenza I have first crack at obtaining an electric Victor Credenza VE 830x at a very reasonable price, but it is missing part of the front grill (one of the decorative grill sections), and was wondering if there is someone who makes part of,or the entire grill for an 830, and how much it would be to obtain one.) Any help that is provided would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Electric Credenza
This is an VE 830X, I measured the decorative spindle that is missing and it is in indeed 14 3/4 in length. So let me know if this matches the one you have. even one slightly small would be find at well. Bruce - Original Message - From: Nick Manolakis nippe...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Electric Credenza Hi Bruce If you need one for a Credenza X I have one for a Four door . But I am pretty sure the one you need is a larger one . Can you email the size and I can double check. Nick - Original Message - From: Douglas Houston cdh041 at earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org; Phono-l at oldcrank.org Cc: phonolist at yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Electric Credenza Well, first off, get it, whatever you do. The electric motor is a big plus, if you're going to play it very much, and I'm sure you will. I've had one for 40 years or more, and love playing it. As far as the missing grille parts are concerned, I'm sure that someone on thos board will be able to steer you to them. You will see pictures of Credenzas, with three lower vertical bars in the speaker grille, and some with the center bar missing. I believe that the ones with the three bars were the very early ones. My 8-30X has two bars. [Original Message] From: BruceY Bruce78rpm at comcast.net To: Phono-l at oldcrank.org Cc: phonolist at yahoogroups.com Date: 8/5/2008 2:22:14 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Electric Credenza I have first crack at obtaining an electric Victor Credenza VE 830x at a very reasonable price, but it is missing part of the front grill (one of the decorative grill sections), and was wondering if there is someone who makes part of,or the entire grill for an 830, and how much it would be to obtain one.) Any help that is provided would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Electric Credenza
I have first crack at obtaining an electric Victor Credenza VE 830x at a very reasonable price, but it is missing part of the front grill (one of the decorative grill sections), and was wondering if there is someone who makes part of,or the entire grill for an 830, and how much it would be to obtain one.) Any help that is provided would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Bruce
[Phono-L] Final price-Trumpetone
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=330257508082ssPageName=STRK:MEDW:ITih=014 I would not have believed it, but then again, these little guys must be quite a rare item. Here is the final auction price. Bruce
[Phono-L] Trumpetone
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=330257508082ssPageName=STRK:MEBI:ITih=014 What kind of material were the horns on these unique little machines made from? Looks like it could be aluminum? Bruce
[Phono-L] Trumpetone (sorry wrong address)
http://cgi.ebay.com/Trumpetone-Phonograph_W0QQitemZ330257508082QQcmdZViewItem?IMSfp=TL0807301175r16728
[Phono-L] It's a Trumpetone!!
http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsitem=330257508082 Oh my goodness, it's a Trumpetone!! one of those ultra-simple little phonographs that made a brief appearance with all those other unsuccessful Companies, when the patent rights on Disc machines ran out in the late 19teens. I don't believe these come up for sale very often. Bruce
[Phono-L] Columbia AH
If your crank is front of center, the control switch is on the top, and the motor is horizontally mounted, then it is the earliest AH style. Bruce - Original Message - From: Bruce Mercer maxbu...@wowway.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 3:34 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia AH Guys, I will be happy to take some pics but it will be a day or two. I do not know the difference between early and late as I am mainly an Edison collector. I'd be happy to see some photos of one vs. late. It has round turned columns on the corners, ten inch turntable, an oxidized copper handle on one side and a decal...all this from memory. Seems like there is a three digit number scratched on the spring barrell. Paper sticker is on the bottom. The horn is black with a brass bell and the elbow looks gold plated. Someone please send me some pics and I will do the same. Maybe you can tell what it is from the description. Best, Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Victor IX
If I manage to pick up an extra machine from time to time for to sell a my annual yardsale, or at the local Historical Society Harvest fair, I never look to make a killing on it, but sell it at a reasonable price to try and encourage new collectors to get involved in the hobby, or an experanced collector who may have been looking for a particular machine that I aquired.. I always include 100 78 rpm records and a startup supply of steel needles, along with a general printout of guidelines for the care and maintanance of the machine. Bruce - Original Message - From: Walt waltsomm...@comcast.net To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor IX Finding machines in the condition you describe Bruce is always a great pleasure (regardless of price - but you certainly did well). Since there were nearly 600,000 of the IXs manufactured, it does seem like a bunch of them should still be around. I believe that Americans threw much more than 10% of them to the landfills and fire pits, but it is good to see them still commonly available nevertheless. I imagine that Paul Edie's ongoing efforts to compile data based on actual units in the field might one day help us take a reasonable stab at just how many of each Victrola still lives on. Wanna bet you won't sell that machine for $300? wink Walt -Original Message- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of BruceY Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:49 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor IX I just purchased a beautiful all original Victor IX (with legs), clean as a whistle inside and out complete with several extras including a like new Dustoff record cleaner and some new/old stock unopened needle packs(medium tone Gilt edge by Bagshaw,Victrola tungstone,and Brilliantone.) This was from private party who contacted by email, and offered the whole package to me for $125.00. From the number of Victor IX's I see on ebay and craiglist, I am almost convinced that 90% of everyone mfg. by the Victor Talking Machine Co., still exists. Bruce - Original Message - From: Robert Wright esroberto at comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor IX Agreed, I think there's a difference between what someone could get for it and what one of us would pay for it. - Original Message - From: john robles john9ten at pacbell.net Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor IX I myself am iffy on the price question. If you are selling them for $550-$650 out of your shop (which I assume is an antique shop) those sales are probably to the average public who browse in antique shops and who are not knowledgeable as to the commonality of those machines, I think the valuation of $300 is specific to machines sold between collectors. While it is true that $550-$650 may be a fair price, that machine IS common and collectors usually want to buy something with a margin that they can resell it for someday, so the average collector is looking for a lower price than retail. And some of us are just cheap. :-) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: 7/26/2008 4:18 PM ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Victor IX
Yes, I believe I have. Weren't there two versions? one a little more elaborate then the other, and designed to cleverly fit in around the legs and front and back to give the illusion that the Machine and Stand are all part of one unit?? Bruce - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor IX Bruce, Have you ever seen the record holding stands sold with them? Steve From: Bruce78rpm at comcast.net To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:49:22 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor IX I just purchased a beautiful all original Victor IX (with legs), clean as a whistle inside and out complete with several extras including a like new Dustoff record cleaner and some new/old stock unopened needle packs(medium tone Gilt edge by Bagshaw,Victrola tungstone,and Brilliantone.) This was from private party who contacted by email, and offered the whole package to me for $125.00. From the number of Victor IX's I see on ebay and craiglist, I am almost convinced that 90% of everyone mfg. by the Victor Talking Machine Co., still exists. Bruce - Original Message - From: Robert Wright esroberto at comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor IXAgreed, I think there's a difference between what someone could get for it and what one of us would pay for it.- Original Message - From: john robles john9ten at pacbell.net Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor IX I myself am iffy on the price question. If you are selling them for $550-$650 out of your shop (which I assume is an antique shop) those sales are probably to the average public who browse in antique shops and who are not knowledgeable as to the commonality of those machines, I think the valuation of $300 is specific to machines sold between collectors. While it is true that $550-$650 may be a fair price, that machine IS common and collectors usually want to buy something with a margin that they can resell it for someday, so the average collector is looking for a lower price than retail. And some of us are just cheap. :-) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Victor IX
I just purchased a beautiful all original Victor IX (with legs), clean as a whistle inside and out complete with several extras including a like new Dustoff record cleaner and some new/old stock unopened needle packs(medium tone Gilt edge by Bagshaw,Victrola tungstone,and Brilliantone.) This was from private party who contacted by email, and offered the whole package to me for $125.00. From the number of Victor IX's I see on ebay and craiglist, I am almost convinced that 90% of everyone mfg. by the Victor Talking Machine Co., still exists. Bruce - Original Message - From: Robert Wright esrobe...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor IX Agreed, I think there's a difference between what someone could get for it and what one of us would pay for it. - Original Message - From: john robles john9ten at pacbell.net Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor IX I myself am iffy on the price question. If you are selling them for $550-$650 out of your shop (which I assume is an antique shop) those sales are probably to the average public who browse in antique shops and who are not knowledgeable as to the commonality of those machines, I think the valuation of $300 is specific to machines sold between collectors. While it is true that $550-$650 may be a fair price, that machine IS common and collectors usually want to buy something with a margin that they can resell it for someday, so the average collector is looking for a lower price than retail. And some of us are just cheap. :-) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Victor IX
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180266138721ssPageName=ADME:B:DBS:US:1123 Can someone explain why this common Victor IX Table model is now up to over $500, with 11 hours to go? Am I missing something here? Bruce
[Phono-L] 5 Concert Records
Does anyone know the sources of good reproduction 5Concert Cylinder records in the USA. Is Shawn B. making any?? I know Paul Morris in GB still has them. Bruce
[Phono-L] Price for a Columbia AB McDonald
Yes Bob, the motor was super clean, the only things I have done to it so far was clean and polish the cabinet (it had been stored and inactive for the past 9 years or so), and give the gears a good oiling. I am checking on several sources for good repro 5 cylinders, and there are several sources including Wyatt's for the 14 Aluminum horns. - Original Message - From: Bob rvu...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Price for a Columbia AB McDonald Hi Bruce, That's really a nice machine. Was the motor that clean when you bought it? Now you will have to find some 5 cylinders. You might try Wyatt's on the horn. Their catalogue shows a 14 aluminum horn but no price. It says inquire. Bob - Original Message - From: BruceY Bruce78rpm at comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Price for a Columbia AB McDonald Thanks Bob. I just found a source for a very nice repro Mandrel. It's John Paul Agnard in Canada. He sells them for $75.00 American $. Now all I need is 14 inch aluminum horn and I am in business. As luck would have it, and it was completely by luck, I was looking at a common VV-100 for some folks who said they wanted one, and the owner, who id clearing out a lot of items she accumulated from years of obsessive yard sale madness, said she had a Graphophone for sale and would I like to see it.She bought about 10 years ago, played it a couple times, put it up on a shelf and never played it again. I expected one of the more common ones, and again as luck would have it It turned out to be an AB (MacDonald). and that was all here in my little home Town down here in South eastern Massachusetts. - Original Message - http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] AB's and gear oiling
I never imagined that my ill-begotten terminology would generate such a remarkably detailed response. Thanks for the advanced education seminar on the proper lubrication standards of the Talking Machine. I hope to receive at least 3 continuing education credits for attending this course. Bruce - Original Message - From: Greg Bogantz gbogan...@charter.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] AB's and gear oiling The issue with using oil or grease on metal parts is whether it dries up and gets sticky over time. This can be especially detrimental on very low-torque mechanisms such as the escapement or verge of a clockwork. Also, oiling must be done with the right formula when applied to non-metallic surfaces such as the fiber gears on some phonographs. Some people prefer not to oil fiber gears at all. Some fiber gears are designed to run dry if they mesh with a highly polished worm gear. But high-torque gears such as the winding gears where the crank shaft meshes with the spring barrel and the output or bull gear on the spring barrel on phonographs should be lubricated with a heavy oil or grease. These are often steel-on-steel gears. I restore both clocks and phonos and I usually grease the high-torque gears on the spring barrel of phonos and use a 20 weight or so oil on all the other metal gears, including the high-speed governor gears and pivots. I actually use a mixture of petroleum oil and a PTFE additive such as Slick 50 for my middle weight applications. The PTFE works especially well on sliding surfaces such as the ways that support the reproducer on cylinder phonos. Sliding surfaces lubricated this way hold their lubricity for a very long time. Clocks have considerably lower torque in their spring barrels, so a medium weight oil is all that's necessary on them. Then I oil the pivots and higher speed gears with a very light clock oil. These oils are designed not to gunk up and won't get sticky. I do not oil the escapement mechanism at all, whether pendulum or balance wheel type, although I do oil their pivots with the light oil. I agree that 3-in-1 oil is not good for these purposes. And WD-40 is a BAD idea as it gets sticky quite quickly when the solvent evaporates from it. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Ron L lherault at bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] AB's and gear oiling Why would oil ruin the phonograph? Is it an issue of uneven wear with dissimilar materials? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Rich Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 2:29 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] AB's and gear oiling You do not oil gears except in special cases. Many people are not swayed by sound engineering practices and proceed to ruin good phonographs. Clocks have brass meshed with steel and so do most phonographs. IF you find similar materials meshed with each other then an extremely light coat is beneficial. Use a synthetic oil or a clock oil. The 3 in 1 oil is crap. Mike Stitt wrote: The recent thread about the AB MacDonald brings up a good question. Among the many things I collect includes clocks. Now in the world of clocks you never oil gears, no and no. Should you oil gears in phonographs? Would the higher rate of speed of the governor be a rationale? Would the presumed higher loads from a larger spring dictate oiling? I do and have oiled phonograph gears. Should we? And break the clock rule? Mike ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Price for a Columbia AB McDonald
Thanks for the information. Any idea what phono supply cos. are selling the repro. large Mandrels?? Bruce - Original Message - From: wilenz...@bellsouth.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Price for a Columbia AB McDonald I agree with Dan. I sold an AB last year, with repro large mandrel and horn, for $2250. A well-known collector was asking $2500 for a nice one, also with repro mandrel and horn. Getting one with original large mandrel and original horn for $1500 was a great buy. However, the current phono market seems depressed, so last year's prices don't apply. Ray - Original Message - From: Daniel Melvin dan at old-phonographs.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Price for a Columbia AB McDonald I think the prices being quoted are quite low for a complete AB McDonald. 3 years ago the common price I saw was more like $2100. I would say $1500 was a steal and not usual. This is based on Ebay and Union sales I'm familiar with. Dan On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Bob rvuill at comcast.net wrote: Hi Bruce, I don't know how you find so many goodies. I think a complete AB McDonald with both mandrels is worth about 1200 to 1500 dollars. A Columbia model B in good shape goes for about $400. Therefore, without the larger mandrel and the correct aluminum horn I would say the one you are looking at would be worth between $700 and $1000. Obviously, I would pay little more If I had a source for the larger mandrel. You might check with the dealers on this list to see if a mandrel is available and what it costs. I don't think anyone makes a reproduction mandrel. We have an excellent machinist in the mocaps group and I bet he could turn one for you. Bob - Original Message - From: BruceY Bruce78rpm at comcast.net To: Phono-l at oldcrank.org Cc: phonolist at yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:39 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Price for a Columbia AB McDonald I have a chance to buy a Columbia AB (MacDonald) Graphophone in excellent condition. It does not have the large slip on Mandrel to play the Concert Cylinders, but everything else is there, and cabinet is in beautiful shape, and it is in running condition. Serial Number is early in the run 752110. There is a strange little 10 by 4 wide black horn that comes with it which I think is probably off market. What sort of price would you estimate this AB (MacDonald) would be fair?? I looked on ebay and none have sold in the past month or so. Thanks in advance, Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1546 - Release Date: 7/11/2008 6:47 AM ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Price for a Columbia AB McDonald
Thanks Bob. I just found a source for a very nice repro Mandrel. It's John Paul Agnard in Canada. He sells them for $75.00 American $. Now all I need is 14 inch aluminum horn and I am in business. As luck would have it, and it was completely by luck, I was looking at a common VV-100 for some folks who said they wanted one, and the owner, who id clearing out a lot of items she accumulated from years of obsessive yard sale madness, said she had a Graphophone for sale and would I like to see it.She bought about 10 years ago, played it a couple times, put it up on a shelf and never played it again. I expected one of the more common ones, and again as luck would have it It turned out to be an AB (MacDonald). and that was all here in my little home Town down here in South eastern Massachusetts. - Original Message - From: Bob rvu...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Price for a Columbia AB McDonald Hi Bruce, I don't know how you find so many goodies. I think a complete AB McDonald with both mandrels is worth about 1200 to 1500 dollars. A Columbia model B in good shape goes for about $400. Therefore, without the larger mandrel and the correct aluminum horn I would say the one you are looking at would be worth between $700 and $1000. Obviously, I would pay little more If I had a source for the larger mandrel. You might check with the dealers on this list to see if a mandrel is available and what it costs. I don't think anyone makes a reproduction mandrel. We have an excellent machinist in the mocaps group and I bet he could turn one for you. Bob - Original Message - From: BruceY Bruce78rpm at comcast.net To: Phono-l at oldcrank.org Cc: phonolist at yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:39 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Price for a Columbia AB McDonald I have a chance to buy a Columbia AB (MacDonald) Graphophone in excellent condition. It does not have the large slip on Mandrel to play the Concert Cylinders, but everything else is there, and cabinet is in beautiful shape, and it is in running condition. Serial Number is early in the run 752110. There is a strange little 10 by 4 wide black horn that comes with it which I think is probably off market. What sort of price would you estimate this AB (MacDonald) would be fair?? I looked on ebay and none have sold in the past month or so. Thanks in advance, Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1546 - Release Date: 7/11/2008 6:47 AM ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Fourm Tonight
http://www.oldcrank.org/chat/ Join us this evening for the Phono-L chat forum anytime after 9:00PM, hope to see some new folks there tonight.
[Phono-L] Define Egregious Fraud
Yes that seller deserves a pat on the back. The Franken VI listing, on the other hand is particularly shameful, since the seller was told by collectors in detail, verbally and in writing, well in advance of the ebay listing, as to what she really had !! But went right ahead and listed it as a Victor VI, with the description: All parts original; mahogany finish of horn and case, original and in mint condition. Metal parts are original, therefore being 14-carat triple gold - plated. I notice that because of some questions the seller, now she says in answer to one of the inquiries calling attention to the gold spray painted over the rusted press steel turntable: Was it or other parts spray painted..originally, I purchased it as a piece of art.only a true collector would know...Although my receipt states metal parts are original, therefore being 14-carat triple gold=plated, it may be original parts from another machine or machines! How do I tell if it has been spray painted? How do I tell if it is nickel plated? Please advise and I will get back to you! This is all quite sad!! - Original Message - From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Define Egregious Fraud I was somewhat amazed to see how honestly this seller re-listed the machine. It's very nice to see that some sellers are open to informed input and have the integrity to do the right thing. It puts that Victor VI offering in perspective, doesn't it?: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300240032277ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 Andy Baron ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Victor VI on Ebay
The bidding on this Frankenphone VI is now up to $.00, and of course you cannot see who the bidders are to warn them about this. In fact, I don't even know if you are allowed to do that, as ebay would probably remove you from membership for interfering with the sale. Hopefully they are just testing the waters and are after the horn and the parts which would top out at somewhat more, but not much more then the bidding is at now. The seller has a hidden reserve on this Franken VI, which I am guessing is for around the same amount the seller disclosed as her minimum asking price and shown on one of the Old Time Victrola board threads, that someone sent us a few messages back. - Original Message - From: kugl...@wmconnect.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor VI on Ebay Bruce, Nothing can be done. Again, all the swap shops, including ebay and Craigs list, are buy at your own risk. This is why I encourage all future collectors to join a legitimate club with knowledgeable members and to learn as much as you can. In this world of reproductions and swindlers, even the most experienced collectors still get 'fooled' sometimes. Brantley /HTML ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Victor VI on Ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=220253963458 This Victor VI is currently on ebay. This does not appear to be an original machine. The horn looks good, check out the rest. The ID plate says VTLA, the turntable appears to be spray painted over rust. There is an automatic brake on it. No VI Was ever issued with an automatic brake. If you look at the Victor data book, you look a first glance and think this might be a late Victor VI type B, the only problem with that, is a the Type B was never shipped !! The case on the type B was suppose to be 17 5/8 by 17 5/8, this machine has the earlier case of less then 16. What gives with this?? I am sure there must be some other problems here but that is what jumps out right now.
[Phono-L] Victor VI on Ebay
In addition to the original items of question I posted in my first thread, it also appears that the crank is in the wrong position for that early style case. The case is obviously with the dimensions stated, 15 1/4 by 15 1/4, and the crank for this early cased type should be towards the front. Instead, the crank is to the rear. It makes one wonder if someone took an early case, and a bunch a of parts from other machines and attempted to make a VI that looks like non-existent Type B!!! any other opinions? Bruce - Original Message - From: BruceY bruce78...@comcast.net To: Phono-l at oldcrank.org Cc: phonolist at yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 8:39 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Victor VI on Ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=220253963458 This Victor VI is currently on ebay. This does not appear to be an original machine. The horn looks good, check out the rest. The ID plate says VTLA, the turntable appears to be spray painted over rust. There is an automatic brake on it. No VI Was ever issued with an automatic brake. If you look at the Victor data book, you look a first glance and think this might be a late Victor VI type B, the only problem with that, is a the Type B was never shipped !! The case on the type B was suppose to be 17 5/8 by 17 5/8, this machine has the earlier case of less then 16. What gives with this?? I am sure there must be some other problems here but that is what jumps out right now. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Victor VI on Ebay
Yes, and there is even a post from the collector who went to her house to see it and told her exactly what she had in detail !! and yet here it shows up on ebay, and the seller is making out like she is some innocent art collector who knows nothing about the problems with it !! Can't something be done about this before someone gets snookered? - Original Message - From: John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor VI on Ebay Hate to drag you into the cesspool that the Old Time Victrola Music Message Board can become, but check out this thread from that board re: this Victor VI. It has already made the rounds of Boston collectors who all passed on it even before it was on craigslist. Here's the link to the OTVMMB fracas about it: http://sonoraman.proboards107.com/index.cgi?board=generalaction=displaythread=8666 From: Bruce78rpm at comcast.net To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 20:59:01 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor VI on Ebay In addition to the original items of question I posted in my first thread, it also appears that the crank is in the wrong position for that early style case. The case is obviously with the dimensions stated, 15 1/4 by 15 1/4, and the crank for this early cased type should be towards the front. Instead, the crank is to the rear. It makes one wonder if someone took an early case, and a bunch a of parts from other machines and attempted to make a VI that looks like non-existent Type B!!! any other opinions? Bruce - Original Message - From: BruceY Bruce78rpm at comcast.net To: Phono-l at oldcrank.org Cc: phonolist at yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 8:39 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Victor VI on Ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=220253963458 This Victor VI is currently on ebay. This does not appear to be an original machine. The horn looks good, check out the rest. The ID plate says VTLA, the turntable appears to be spray painted over rust. There is an automatic brake on it. No VI Was ever issued with an automatic brake. If you look at the Victor data book, you look a first glance and think this might be a late Victor VI type B, the only problem with that, is a the Type B was never shipped !! The case on the type B was suppose to be 17 5/8 by 17 5/8, this machine has the earlier case of less then 16. What gives with this?? I am sure there must be some other problems here but that is what jumps out right now. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Fletcher (Edison Art Model) Phonograph
The Edison Art model, errr the Fletcher Phonograph closed at $7,000.00, not including the 20% buyers penalty, or Tax, or rip-off or whatever else you might want to call it. http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150258568430sspagename=ADME:X:AAQ:US:11 Bruce
[Phono-L] Victor VI Horn Machine Metal Tag Needed
Have you contacted George Voleema? - Original Message - From: kugl...@wmconnect.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 9:31 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Victor VI Horn Machine Metal Tag Needed I know that this is a crazy, and off the wall question, but would any of you in Phono-Collecting Land have an original metal tag for a Victor VI horn machine? If not, any suggestion on where I can venture to get one? If 'no such animal' exists, do any of you know if such a thing could be obtained in reproduction? Any information and or ideas are much appreciated! Brantley Williston, S.C. /HTML ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Wierd cylinder
Sorry I missed the replies on this one. Did anyone establish what this really is and who mfg. it? Bruce - Original Message - From: aph4...@aol.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 1:50 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Wierd cylinder OK group. Does anyone have any idea what this thing is? What am I missing? See ebay # 170216463372 Thanks, Art Heller **Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] edison clylinder
Low Bridge Everybody Down was also done by Billy Murray on Victor FP 17250. Bruce - Original Message - From: edison edison edison4edi...@hotmail.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 4:56 PM Subject: [Phono-L] edison clylinder I wonder if any member has a cylinder I would like to have ,blue amberol no. 1761 Low bridge everybody down. If any one has a copy they will part with ,please let me know ... _ Get Free (PRODUCT) RED? Emoticons, Winks and Display Pics. http://joinred.spaces.live.com?ocid=TXT_HMTG_prodredemoticons_052008 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Thomas Edison Jr.
http://members.aol.com/TAEdisonJR/edisonjr.htm I had never read this before. What a mostly wasted and tragic life, a part of the Edison History that most people are not aware, riddled with tragedy, neglect, fraud, depression disappointment . Well worth the short read, it gives insight into the sometimes unhappy fate of inheriting a famous name. Bruce
[Phono-L] Uncle Josh and Ada Jones
You should have sent a message to this list about Uncle Josh and Uncle Josh records. We have some folks on this list who are resident experts on the subject. Have you found alot of Cal Stewart Selections?? - Original Message - From: ger ge...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:41 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Uncle Josh and Ada Jones I'm sure you folks know of this site, but just in case... I found it while trying to locate info on the Uncle Josh records. Boy, Uncle Josh does ramble on! He reminds me of some of the sales infomercial folks on TV. :) http://www.gregssandbox.com/edison/uncle_josh/bio.htm bio of Cal Stewart http://www.gregssandbox.com/edison/uncle_josh/index.htm Uncle Josh records to listen to http://www.gregssandbox.com/edison/ada_jones/index.htm Ada Jones records to listen to I particularly like this site because the song play easily. Some of the old record sites won't work with my comp without some type of additional SW! Ger ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Monarch Talking Machine Program
Seeing is believing I guess so here is one I pulled off the internet. Have a gander. http://www.collectorsworldwest.com/lookup.php?id=55 Bruce - Original Message - From: Bob rvu...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Monarch Talking Machine Program Hi Bruce, I've heard of the use of the Monarch name on Victor 10 records but not machines. What history were you reading? RMV - Original Message - From: BruceY bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Monarch Talking Machine Program According to a history I just read concerning the Victor Talking Machine Co., they very briefly used the word Monarch as their trademark, here is the excerpt, this could also explain the reason that the exhibitor was using these two different names for this talking machines. Did the name plates on the early Monarch machines, just have Monarch or did they have the Victor Trademark?? Here is the excerpt. It will be remembered that Mr. Johnson was stopped from using the word Gramophone by Judge Gray on March 1, 1901, on the grounds that it was a Berliner trademark. Mr. Johnson was under the impression that the word Gramophone was a generic term (i.e., describing the disc-type reproducer). The term Talking Machine, on the other hand, was generic, having been coined by a headline writer on a Buffalo, New York newspaper in 1889. For a short time, the company also used the word Monarch as a trademark. It is not altogether clear why. It evidently carried something of a deluxe implication, but it is possible that the object was to have a reserve name to fall back on in case the others failed to stand up. The word Monarch was applied to instruments for only one season, but it continued on records for several, In this case, the name apparently identified the size of the disc. (Fig. 14) Early records were branded as follows: 14 inch - Deluxe Special 12 inch - Deluxe 10 inch - Monarch 7 inch - Victor Bruce - Original Message - From: gpaul2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Monarch Talking Machine Program 1901-02 Johnson/Victor catalogs differentiated between Victor and Monarch records, and this may have influenced the exhibitor's terminology.? I'm not aware of any Monarch Talking Machine from this era other than the Johnson/Victor machines. George Paul ? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Monarch Talking Machine Program
The show and Tell continues, here is the demonstration featuring a Monarch Jr. on You Tube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDUeTVzNoFI - Original Message - From: Bob rvu...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Monarch Talking Machine Program Hi Bruce, I've heard of the use of the Monarch name on Victor 10 records but not machines. What history were you reading? RMV - Original Message - From: BruceY bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Monarch Talking Machine Program According to a history I just read concerning the Victor Talking Machine Co., they very briefly used the word Monarch as their trademark, here is the excerpt, this could also explain the reason that the exhibitor was using these two different names for this talking machines. Did the name plates on the early Monarch machines, just have Monarch or did they have the Victor Trademark?? Here is the excerpt. It will be remembered that Mr. Johnson was stopped from using the word Gramophone by Judge Gray on March 1, 1901, on the grounds that it was a Berliner trademark. Mr. Johnson was under the impression that the word Gramophone was a generic term (i.e., describing the disc-type reproducer). The term Talking Machine, on the other hand, was generic, having been coined by a headline writer on a Buffalo, New York newspaper in 1889. For a short time, the company also used the word Monarch as a trademark. It is not altogether clear why. It evidently carried something of a deluxe implication, but it is possible that the object was to have a reserve name to fall back on in case the others failed to stand up. The word Monarch was applied to instruments for only one season, but it continued on records for several, In this case, the name apparently identified the size of the disc. (Fig. 14) Early records were branded as follows: 14 inch - Deluxe Special 12 inch - Deluxe 10 inch - Monarch 7 inch - Victor Bruce - Original Message - From: gpaul2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Monarch Talking Machine Program 1901-02 Johnson/Victor catalogs differentiated between Victor and Monarch records, and this may have influenced the exhibitor's terminology.? I'm not aware of any Monarch Talking Machine from this era other than the Johnson/Victor machines. George Paul ? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Monarch Talking Machine Program
One final one to seal the deal. http://www.inkyfingers.com/RECORD/CECILEX/Cecil7.html - Original Message - From: Bob rvu...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Monarch Talking Machine Program Hi Bruce, I've heard of the use of the Monarch name on Victor 10 records but not machines. What history were you reading? RMV - Original Message - From: BruceY bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Monarch Talking Machine Program According to a history I just read concerning the Victor Talking Machine Co., they very briefly used the word Monarch as their trademark, here is the excerpt, this could also explain the reason that the exhibitor was using these two different names for this talking machines. Did the name plates on the early Monarch machines, just have Monarch or did they have the Victor Trademark?? Here is the excerpt. It will be remembered that Mr. Johnson was stopped from using the word Gramophone by Judge Gray on March 1, 1901, on the grounds that it was a Berliner trademark. Mr. Johnson was under the impression that the word Gramophone was a generic term (i.e., describing the disc-type reproducer). The term Talking Machine, on the other hand, was generic, having been coined by a headline writer on a Buffalo, New York newspaper in 1889. For a short time, the company also used the word Monarch as a trademark. It is not altogether clear why. It evidently carried something of a deluxe implication, but it is possible that the object was to have a reserve name to fall back on in case the others failed to stand up. The word Monarch was applied to instruments for only one season, but it continued on records for several, In this case, the name apparently identified the size of the disc. (Fig. 14) Early records were branded as follows: 14 inch - Deluxe Special 12 inch - Deluxe 10 inch - Monarch 7 inch - Victor Bruce - Original Message - From: gpaul2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Monarch Talking Machine Program 1901-02 Johnson/Victor catalogs differentiated between Victor and Monarch records, and this may have influenced the exhibitor's terminology.? I'm not aware of any Monarch Talking Machine from this era other than the Johnson/Victor machines. George Paul ? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Monarch Talking Machine Program
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=310042039598ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 Here is a unique item for someone who owns a Victor Monarch Talking Machine. It is a program from a Turn-of the Century exhibitor who played an interesting variety of the early victor records on his Victor Monarch Talking machine. Great to frame and display on your machine. I don't own a Victor Monarch but it certainly is a unique and interesting item of the time. Bruce From lo...@oldcrank.com Thu Apr 17 15:22:30 2008 From: lo...@oldcrank.com (Loran Hughes) Date: Thu Apr 17 15:29:26 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Monarch Talking Machine Program In-Reply-To: 006a01c8a0d8$10b051f0$6401a...@user52c8f93503 References: 006a01c8a0d8$10b051f0$6401a...@user52c8f93503 Message-ID: 47d556a5-790d-4b42-92c7-911f48639...@oldcrank.com Bruce, I think you misread this. It says the guy was an agent for Victor AND Monarch Talking Machines. In other words, this is a Monarch, not a Victor Monarch. Loran On Apr 17, 2008, at 3:12 PM, BruceY wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=310042039598ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 Here is a unique item for someone who owns a Victor Monarch Talking Machine. It is a program from a Turn-of the Century exhibitor who played an interesting variety of the early victor records on his Victor Monarch Talking machine. Great to frame and display on your machine. I don't own a Victor Monarch but it certainly is a unique and interesting item of the time. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Monarch Talking Machine Program
Sorry I must have gotten my history of these machines a little mixed up or something. So the Monarch was a pre-victor era model but was still offered by Eldridge Johnson with no referance to the Victor Talking Machine Company, which was at this point in time initially offering its series of early models with the Victor name and model on them etc.? or something like that. I am going to run and get my look for the dog now and study those pages so I don't screw up the histories of these machines again. Thanks for setting me straight on this. Bruce - Original Message - From: Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Monarch Talking Machine Program Bruce, I think you misread this. It says the guy was an agent for Victor AND Monarch Talking Machines. In other words, this is a Monarch, not a Victor Monarch. Loran On Apr 17, 2008, at 3:12 PM, BruceY wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=310042039598ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 Here is a unique item for someone who owns a Victor Monarch Talking Machine. It is a program from a Turn-of the Century exhibitor who played an interesting variety of the early victor records on his Victor Monarch Talking machine. Great to frame and display on your machine. I don't own a Victor Monarch but it certainly is a unique and interesting item of the time. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Monarch Talking Machine Program
the Victor Monarch was offered from 1901 to 1905 and E.Johnson chose this name to indicate that it was the King of Talking Machinesand the finest he had made up unitl that time. I am guessing that the exhibitor was in fact refering to the Monarch Model and not a seperate Monarch Company, to differentiate his models between the earlier Monarch and the Later Victor numbered models with the new tapering tone arm and rear mount swiveling horn features. Bruce - Original Message - From: Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Monarch Talking Machine Program Bruce, Reading the program, I'm thinking that this is not the Monarch you believe it to be. Not Victor, but a separate company named Monarch. I could be wrong - but then why would it say Victor and Monarch? Loran On Apr 17, 2008, at 4:14 PM, BruceY wrote: Sorry I must have gotten my history of these machines a little mixed up or something. So the Monarch was a pre-victor era model but was still offered by Eldridge Johnson with no referance to the Victor Talking Machine Company, which was at this point in time initially offering its series of early models with the Victor name and model on them etc.? or something like that. I am going to run and get my look for the dog now and study those pages so I don't screw up the histories of these machines again. Thanks for setting me straight on this. Bruce - Original Message - From: Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Monarch Talking Machine Program Bruce, I think you misread this. It says the guy was an agent for Victor AND Monarch Talking Machines. In other words, this is a Monarch, not a Victor Monarch. Loran On Apr 17, 2008, at 3:12 PM, BruceY wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=310042039598ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 Here is a unique item for someone who owns a Victor Monarch Talking Machine. It is a program from a Turn-of the Century exhibitor who played an interesting variety of the early victor records on his Victor Monarch Talking machine. Great to frame and display on your machine. I don't own a Victor Monarch but it certainly is a unique and interesting item of the time. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Monarch Talking Machine Program
According to a history I just read concerning the Victor Talking Machine Co., they very briefly used the word Monarch as their trademark, here is the excerpt, this could also explain the reason that the exhibitor was using these two different names for this talking machines. Did the name plates on the early Monarch machines, just have Monarch or did they have the Victor Trademark?? Here is the excerpt. It will be remembered that Mr. Johnson was stopped from using the word Gramophone by Judge Gray on March 1, 1901, on the grounds that it was a Berliner trademark. Mr. Johnson was under the impression that the word Gramophone was a generic term (i.e., describing the disc-type reproducer). The term Talking Machine, on the other hand, was generic, having been coined by a headline writer on a Buffalo, New York newspaper in 1889. For a short time, the company also used the word Monarch as a trademark. It is not altogether clear why. It evidently carried something of a deluxe implication, but it is possible that the object was to have a reserve name to fall back on in case the others failed to stand up. The word Monarch was applied to instruments for only one season, but it continued on records for several, In this case, the name apparently identified the size of the disc. (Fig. 14) Early records were branded as follows: 14 inch - Deluxe Special 12 inch - Deluxe 10 inch - Monarch 7 inch - Victor Bruce - Original Message - From: gpaul2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Monarch Talking Machine Program 1901-02 Johnson/Victor catalogs differentiated between Victor and Monarch records, and this may have influenced the exhibitor's terminology.? I'm not aware of any Monarch Talking Machine from this era other than the Johnson/Victor machines. George Paul ? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Monarch Talking Machine Program
the history says that the Monarch Trade Mark was used on instruments for only one season. This seems to confirm my suspicions about the reason for the two names on the Promotional Program by the Exhibitor, making it a very unique and rare reference to the two different Trademarked Talking Machines Mfg. by Eldridge Johnson. - Original Message - From: Mark S. Chester msches...@email.msn.com To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 8:41 PM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Monarch Talking Machine Program Wasn't the Monarch the name for the Victor Talking Machine model with a 10 turntable? The Monarch record designation during that era was originally used for the 10 records, though some 7 pre-dog (but post-Eldridge Johnson) records were also labeled Victor Monarch Record. Mark Mark S. Chester Phoenixville, PA www.whalom.com www.whalompark.com www.wurlitzer165.com www.racc.edu www.nca-usa.org www.gsschesco.org www.newhollandband.org -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of gpaul2...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 8:36 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Monarch Talking Machine Program 1901-02 Johnson/Victor catalogs differentiated between Victor and Monarch records, and this may have influenced the exhibitor's terminology.? I'm not aware of any Monarch Talking Machine from this era other than the Johnson/Victor machines. George Paul ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Elusive machine on Ebay
Certainly a bizarre combination. The original owner must have wanted a way to play his Pathe's and Edison Records on an Orthophonic Era Victor. I wounder what that did to the magnificent sound generated by the orthophonic credenza? - Original Message - From: est...@localnet.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:21 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Elusive machine on Ebay The dealer says the details on this machine Remain elusive but the components are All original. It's a Victor that someone has fitted with a Brunswick Ultona arm. Will someone with more tact that I have please elucidate the seller, who (it appears) will welcome information. http://cgi.ebay.com/Victrola-Antique-Standing-Record-Player_W0QQitemZ250237454040QQihZ015QQcategoryZ1442QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Eric ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Elusive machine on Ebay
Yes, and still a good deal if you can get it at the 99 cent minimum bid and then drive down to Pa. and haul it back home. - Original Message - From: Ron L lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:49 AM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Elusive machine on Ebay I thought the legs were gone too but I looked again and I do believe they are there. It is just the way it is photographed. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 7:26 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Elusive machine on Ebay The phonograph is a Victor orthophonic 8-12. Unfortunately not only does it have the wrong arm and reproducer, but if you look closely, the legs have been cut off. From th eway the pictures were taken and the flowery description, I suspect the dealer knows more about the machine than he is letting on and trying to educate him would be futile. RMV - Original Message - From: est...@localnet.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:21 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Elusive machine on Ebay The dealer says the details on this machine Remain elusive but the components are All original. It's a Victor that someone has fitted with a Brunswick Ultona arm. Will someone with more tact that I have please elucidate the seller, who (it appears) will welcome information. http://cgi.ebay.com/Victrola-Antique-Standing-Record-Player_W0QQitemZ2502374 54040QQihZ015QQcategoryZ1442QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Eric ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information
Ok, this detailed information about the circumstances concerning her death seems to confirm that the Death Certificate was hurriedly prepared in order to expedite the shipping of the her body back to New York!! (you must have a completed Death Certificate in order to obtain a Burial/Removal from State permit!!)So this fellow Armstrong, whoever he was, provided what little information he knew about Ada. Obviously no attempt was ever made by her family, to ever correct the erroneous information appearing on the original document, for what ever reason no one will ever know. The original Death Certificate along with a burial permit would have accompanied the body back to New York, been received by the local Funeral Director handling Funeral, and then the Death Certificate presented to the next of Kin, presumably her husband. Eventually the original Death Certificate, in this case the one prepared in North Carolina, finds it way back to the home city or Town of the deceased so additional certified copies can be accessed from there as well. Bruce - Original Message - From: Jackie Burwell emer...@wheatstate.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 12:42 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information I googled Ada Jones and found an interesting site www.gracyk.com/ada.shtml Check it out. It's pretty interesting. Jackie - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information Before the government programs, your birthday and date of death did not make a lot of difference. As neither one served much real tangible purpose to you, or anyone else. Douglas Houston wrote: All of this makes me wonder if vital statistics were reliably accurate in the days that Ada Jones was born; in England, or even in this country. For instance, my father was born in a little burg in Tennessee, north of Chattanooga. When he was 72, he wanted to apply for Social Security. He contacted the Hamilton County records, and they showed him as being 70, rather than 72. He had to contact relatives, still living in the little town of Soddy, where he was born, and have them swear out an affadavit, attesting to his accurate age. Later, in discussions with the kinfolk there, it was speculated that the error was attributed to the census taker, stopping at one of the houses on the street and simply taking down dates that a neighbor blurted out from memory, which was not very accurate. That saved the census taker time and trudging the dirt streets of the town. In that day, who'da thunk that it would ever matter? [Original Message] From: BruceY bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 4/12/2008 8:47:58 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information Still trying to pin down Ada's actually birth date via some sort of bonifide document. All the biographies give her birth year as 1873 which would make her 47 at some point in 1920 not age 44, and her death certificate gives an incorrect age of 40, couldn't someone at the time poor Ada passed at least make an effort to call or wire someone to obtain the correct information for her Death Certificate?!! and who gave the information to the Census Taker?? Seems he not only had her age wrong but the spelling of her last name wrong as well? Bruce - Original Message - From: wayne holznagel ethanu...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 8:36 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information I believe I may have the right person . . . The 1920 census shows Hugh, Ada, Sheelah (it's hard to read the spelling of this name). They lived at Huntington, Suffolk, New York. According to this record: Hugh's age was 39. He arrived in the US in 1886. He became a naturalized citizen in 1917. He came from England. Occupation was theatrical. Ada's age was 44. She arrived in the US in 1880. She became a naturalized citizen in 1917. She came from England. Occupation was singer. Sheelah's age was 13. Was was listed as daughter. The census information indicates she was born in England. If anyone is linked into one of the major genealogical web sites you can obtain copies of the original information. That would include, in many cases, copies of passenger lists, census information, probate records, etc. I've been researching my extensive family history and, believe me, it's there if a person wants to look. I like ancestory.com but there are other sites that provide good information. Just some information for the good of the cause. :) Wayne H My website is at http://www.phonomantiques.com/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information
Look what I found!! Here it is, from the New York Times, the actual death Notice. The age is still incorrect!! but much closer to who actual age. Her married name is spelled correctly as well, which means that the local New York records, may in fact have been corrected to reflect correct or semi-correct information. This information would have been obtained by the local Funeral Director handling the burial and funeral and obtained from the next of kin, presumably her husband, who either thought Ada was in fact 46, or intentionally gave incorrect information. Who knows?? In any event, if the biographical info is correct he was only off by a couple of years. We are getting closer. Bruce - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information Was all of that paperwork required at the time of her death, or just a death certificate? And the death certificate only required in New York or by the railroad? Remember, the world was not overrun by bureaucratic auditors back then. I could be wrong but I would bet that the people in North Carolina of the time could tell if you were dead of natural causes and needed to be buried without several pieces of paper. BruceY wrote: Ok, this detailed information about the circumstances concerning her death seems to confirm that the Death Certificate was hurriedly prepared in order to expedite the shipping of the her body back to New York!! (you must have a completed Death Certificate in order to obtain a Burial/Removal from State permit!!)So this fellow Armstrong, whoever he was, provided what little information he knew about Ada. Obviously no attempt was ever made by her family, to ever correct the erroneous information appearing on the original document, for what ever reason no one will ever know. The original Death Certificate along with a burial permit would have accompanied the body back to New York, been received by the local Funeral Director handling Funeral, and then the Death Certificate presented to the next of Kin, presumably her husband. Eventually the original Death Certificate, in this case the one prepared in North Carolina, finds it way back to the home city or Town of the deceased so additional certified copies can be accessed from there as well. Bruce - Original Message - From: Jackie Burwell emer...@wheatstate.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 12:42 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information I googled Ada Jones and found an interesting site www.gracyk.com/ada.shtml Check it out. It's pretty interesting. Jackie - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information Before the government programs, your birthday and date of death did not make a lot of difference. As neither one served much real tangible purpose to you, or anyone else. Douglas Houston wrote: All of this makes me wonder if vital statistics were reliably accurate in the days that Ada Jones was born; in England, or even in this country. For instance, my father was born in a little burg in Tennessee, north of Chattanooga. When he was 72, he wanted to apply for Social Security. He contacted the Hamilton County records, and they showed him as being 70, rather than 72. He had to contact relatives, still living in the little town of Soddy, where he was born, and have them swear out an affadavit, attesting to his accurate age. Later, in discussions with the kinfolk there, it was speculated that the error was attributed to the census taker, stopping at one of the houses on the street and simply taking down dates that a neighbor blurted out from memory, which was not very accurate. That saved the census taker time and trudging the dirt streets of the town. In that day, who'da thunk that it would ever matter? [Original Message] From: BruceY bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 4/12/2008 8:47:58 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information Still trying to pin down Ada's actually birth date via some sort of bonifide document. All the biographies give her birth year as 1873 which would make her 47 at some point in 1920 not age 44, and her death certificate gives an incorrect age of 40, couldn't someone at the time poor Ada passed at least make an effort to call or wire someone to obtain the correct information for her Death Certificate?!! and who gave the information to the Census Taker?? Seems he not only had her age wrong but the spelling of her last name wrong as well? Bruce - Original Message - From: wayne holznagel ethanu
[Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information
Let's keep in mind here that even though this is 1922, we are shipping Human remains, and not just someone's steamer trunk. This insured proper packaging in a rigid container and preparation of the body and handling of someone's loved one, and was probably kept in special cargo holding area of the train. The burial/removal from state permit would be obtained at the same time as the Death Certificate, and shipped along with the body, along with the proper Shipping Documents required by the Railroad back to New York City. It does not take a great deal of time to prepare the paperwork and obtain these documents. In this day and age, bodies that are shipped or flown require embalming be done prior to the flight or train trip. I am not sure if that was the case back in 1922, but if there was a delay of more then a day in shipping back then, I certainly hope so. Bruce - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information Was all of that paperwork required at the time of her death, or just a death certificate? And the death certificate only required in New York or by the railroad? Remember, the world was not overrun by bureaucratic auditors back then. I could be wrong but I would bet that the people in North Carolina of the time could tell if you were dead of natural causes and needed to be buried without several pieces of paper. BruceY wrote: Ok, this detailed information about the circumstances concerning her death seems to confirm that the Death Certificate was hurriedly prepared in order to expedite the shipping of the her body back to New York!! (you must have a completed Death Certificate in order to obtain a Burial/Removal from State permit!!)So this fellow Armstrong, whoever he was, provided what little information he knew about Ada. Obviously no attempt was ever made by her family, to ever correct the erroneous information appearing on the original document, for what ever reason no one will ever know. The original Death Certificate along with a burial permit would have accompanied the body back to New York, been received by the local Funeral Director handling Funeral, and then the Death Certificate presented to the next of Kin, presumably her husband. Eventually the original Death Certificate, in this case the one prepared in North Carolina, finds it way back to the home city or Town of the deceased so additional certified copies can be accessed from there as well. Bruce - Original Message - From: Jackie Burwell emer...@wheatstate.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 12:42 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information I googled Ada Jones and found an interesting site www.gracyk.com/ada.shtml Check it out. It's pretty interesting. Jackie - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information Before the government programs, your birthday and date of death did not make a lot of difference. As neither one served much real tangible purpose to you, or anyone else. Douglas Houston wrote: All of this makes me wonder if vital statistics were reliably accurate in the days that Ada Jones was born; in England, or even in this country. For instance, my father was born in a little burg in Tennessee, north of Chattanooga. When he was 72, he wanted to apply for Social Security. He contacted the Hamilton County records, and they showed him as being 70, rather than 72. He had to contact relatives, still living in the little town of Soddy, where he was born, and have them swear out an affadavit, attesting to his accurate age. Later, in discussions with the kinfolk there, it was speculated that the error was attributed to the census taker, stopping at one of the houses on the street and simply taking down dates that a neighbor blurted out from memory, which was not very accurate. That saved the census taker time and trudging the dirt streets of the town. In that day, who'da thunk that it would ever matter? [Original Message] From: BruceY bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 4/12/2008 8:47:58 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information Still trying to pin down Ada's actually birth date via some sort of bonifide document. All the biographies give her birth year as 1873 which would make her 47 at some point in 1920 not age 44, and her death certificate gives an incorrect age of 40, couldn't someone at the time poor Ada passed at least make an effort to call or wire someone to obtain the correct information for her Death Certificate?!! and who gave the information
[Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information
But I don't see a photo of her gravestone there, Just the monument showing the name of the Cemetery, is there a way to see the Gravestone and the dates? - Original Message - From: Loran T. Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information Here's her page on findagrave.com: http://tinyurl.com/637djg Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Re: Ada Jones, Unmarked Grave
Actually the caption that goes with that photograph explains what Ada is doing in the photo. Here it is: The rather plain woman pictured right, trying her hand at the telegraph key, is the remarkable Ada Jones, a name that even the most casual of explorers of early phonograph history will encounter time and again, be the medium cylinders or discs. Despite bouts with epilepsy, Jones was incredibly prolific --- producing recordings in great numbers for just about every phonograph label of her day, and in a myriad of voices that could (and did) in one recording session effortlessly switch between the Bowery coquette, an old Southern Mammy, ladies of German, Irish, Jewish, Italian or Swedish origin and just the simple working girl experiencing the pleasures and mechanical traps of the early 20th century --- subway trains, amusement parks, nickelodeons, dance-halls and quick service restaurants. - Original Message - From: Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Re: Ada Jones, Unmarked Grave That photo would be dated by the crystal set. I would guess that she is listening to a (vey early) broadcast, and if so, it would have to be after 1920, when broadasting first began. She died shortly after 1920, as we know, but we also know that she did very few public appearances because of hre epileptic problem. Thus, her aged appearance would never have mattered. Does that sound right? [Original Message] From: BruceY bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 4/13/2008 9:30:04 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Re: Ada Jones, Unmarked Grave Wow here is a photo of Ada, I had never seen before, I know she had gotten quite matronly over the years but in this one, she is extremely heavy. An interesting photo of the First Lady of the Phonograph none the less. http://bp3.blogger.com/_bdtuKKCTCf4/RtdCEcT1B3I/DXU/39kIJ5IW6Ns/s160 0-h/Ada+Jones+-+Telegraph.jpg Click on it and it will fill the screen. Bruce - Original Message - From: Loran T. Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Re: Ada Jones, Unmarked Grave Brantley, Cemeteries keep records of who is buried where... even if the gravesite is unmarked. Loran On Apr 13, 2008, at 4:54 PM, kugl...@wmconnect.com wrote: What I want to know is how did Milford know that this unmarked grave stone was Ada's grave? Now I am totally confused. I think the CSI Miami forensic team should get involved here. Brantley ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Artist Death Certificates
Perhaps the most horrific one is Arthur Fields (Burned to death in Conflagration). The sadest one is Ada Jones, died at age 40, and none of the informants (relatives) knew the names of the parents of this wonderfully talented and popular star of her time, to put on the Death Certificate. - Original Message - From: Ryan Barna ryansrecor...@hotmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 12:34 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Artist Death Certificates Howdy, I just got done posting about 95% of my collection of phonograph artist death certificates. If you ever wondered when some of your favorites died, or what they died of, or what some of their real names were, or their parents, or where they're buried, or if they were cremated, these death certificates are a great source of information! I have not had a chance to document some of the mistakes found on the certificates themselves, or type out some of the hard-to-read handwriting (I hope to do both within the next week or so), but this is such a fine collection that I couldn't wait to show you. I think you'll find them fascinating in a sad manner. The URL is: http://www.phonostalgia.com/death and here's the first 21 certificates I've posted so far: Frank P. Banta Arthur Collins Vernon Dalhart Will F. Denny Edward M. Favor Arthur Fields George Gaskin Billy Golden Byron G. Harlan William F. Hooley George W. Johnson Ada Jones Jack Kaufman Harry Macdonough Billy Murray Steve Porter Dan W. Quinn Bob Roberts Joseph C. Smith Frank C. Stanley Walter Van Brunt And there's more certificates to come in the next few months. Be sure to check out some of the other things I posted. A few days ago, I added a new section covering the story behind the obscure bandleader, Joseph C. Smith, and just today I posted some photographs of Arthur Collins' grave. Stay tuned, -Ryan _ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_042008___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Artist Death Certificates (Ada Jones) Let us do right by Ada!!
Not only did they not have the information about Ada Jones parent's names, but her age at time of death on the death certificate is incorrect as well. Every source that I have seen gives her birth year as 1873, that would have made her at least 48 at the time of her death in 1922, but the age shown on her death certificate is incorrectly stated as 40 years. Her date of birth is not shown on the Death Certificate. Makes you wonder about the circumstances of her death and who was present at the time to give the information to the Funeral Home preparing the personal information on Ada. The informant is listed as someone named Armstrong. That is not the name listed on the death certificate for her husband. I am surprised that a Town or City Clerk would even issue a death certificate without the required information such as a the date of birth. That is the law!! I wonder if this record could be updated and corrected at this late date. I suppose as in most cases of Death Certificate adjustments, it would take a sworn avidavit of next of kin to correct this. But I think we owe it the memory of this great lady to at least give it a try. In order to correct this, the acceptable party would need to submit certified originals of the proper forms required by the City or Town where the Death Certificate was issued. There is normally a fee for this service, but we would at least know that this last known legal document issued concerning this beloved entertainer is complete and correct as possible. Bruce - Original Message - From: Ryan Barna ryansrecor...@hotmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 12:34 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Artist Death Certificates Howdy, I just got done posting about 95% of my collection of phonograph artist death certificates. If you ever wondered when some of your favorites died, or what they died of, or what some of their real names were, or their parents, or where they're buried, or if they were cremated, these death certificates are a great source of information! I have not had a chance to document some of the mistakes found on the certificates themselves, or type out some of the hard-to-read handwriting (I hope to do both within the next week or so), but this is such a fine collection that I couldn't wait to show you. I think you'll find them fascinating in a sad manner. The URL is: http://www.phonostalgia.com/death and here's the first 21 certificates I've posted so far: Frank P. Banta Arthur Collins Vernon Dalhart Will F. Denny Edward M. Favor Arthur Fields George Gaskin Billy Golden Byron G. Harlan William F. Hooley George W. Johnson Ada Jones Jack Kaufman Harry Macdonough Billy Murray Steve Porter Dan W. Quinn Bob Roberts Joseph C. Smith Frank C. Stanley Walter Van Brunt And there's more certificates to come in the next few months. Be sure to check out some of the other things I posted. A few days ago, I added a new section covering the story behind the obscure bandleader, Joseph C. Smith, and just today I posted some photographs of Arthur Collins' grave. Stay tuned, -Ryan _ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_042008___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Fw: EARLIEST recorded human voice?
Is this for real?? or a hoax?? Some non-collector just sent this to me. A recording from the 1860's Bruce http://www.firstsounds.org/sounds/ ... Although I am sure you have already heard about this!!!
[Phono-L] Columbia Long Throat Reproducer
- Original Message - From: Jeffry Young, D.O. jeff...@prevea.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 1:09 PM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Columbia Long Throat Reproducer I had a very early AH, and the long throat repoducer was unmarked, almost the size and shape of a Victor Concert reproducer. The case however, was not knurled like the Victor. This may actually be the earlier style of the Columbia long throat. A picture would be helpful. Jeff Wisconsin -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of BruceY Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 11:13 AM To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com Cc: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia Long Throat Reproducer I recently acquiried a Columbia AH Graphophone. The reproducer is a long throat and the printing under the Micah, merely says Patented Nov. 18, 1902, other Patents pending, there is also a number on the back 43129 on the back and, It has a thumb screw, rather then a clamp style for the needle. Is this an early analyzing reproducer, or do I have something else here? Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From bruce78...@comcast.net Sun Mar 23 11:43:14 2008 From: bruce78...@comcast.net (BruceY) Date: Sun Mar 23 11:41:26 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia Long Throat Reproducer References: 000a01c88d00$cffadda0$6401a...@user52c8f93503 001001c88d09$de59ac60$2f01a...@ronlherault Message-ID: 005c01c88d15$c22c1e40$6401a...@user52c8f93503 Yes, I saw that, but there are a couple other anomalies about this machine, that draw me to Allen's conclusion!! The elbow looks exactly like those found on a Talkophone, go to the website that features the talkophone machines!!, and the horn is 21 long, exactly the length that is found on the Talkophone!! Always remember that old adage Let the buyer beware. Seems that I may be now in the Market for an original Columbia long throat reproducer and a Columbia horn for my AH, and trying to find a buyer for an original Talkophone reproducer elbow and horn. Yikes!! - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Columbia Long Throat Reproducer I can't comment about the printing behind the diaphragm but Baumbach notes in his Columbia Phonograph Companion II that the earliest versions of the Analyzing reproducer did have a thumb screw rather than the spring clamp. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of BruceY Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 12:13 PM To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com Cc: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia Long Throat Reproducer I recently acquiried a Columbia AH Graphophone. The reproducer is a long throat and the printing under the Micah, merely says Patented Nov. 18, 1902, other Patents pending, there is also a number on the back 43129 on the back and, It has a thumb screw, rather then a clamp style for the needle. Is this an early analyzing reproducer, or do I have something else here? Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Cylinders not Edison, but whose?
That's really great, looks like you found some nice cylinders there, but remember, you shouldn't try to play them in your Hexaphone, I believe that only takes the Blue Amberols. Bruce - Original Message - From: ger ge...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:13 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cylinders not Edison, but whose? Thanks so much. Wow, what a great site!! Ger - Original Message - From: John Maeder To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 7:31 AM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Cylinders not Edison, but whose? Try these links: http://cylinders.library.ucsb.edu/history-indestructible.php http://cylinders.library.ucsb.edu/history-everlasting.php The entire site is quite wonderful! John From: ge...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 01:21:41 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Cylinders not Edison, but whose? Can someone help me with these records, please? I have books on Edison and EBA records, but nothing on these. The boxes say: Everlasting, Indestructible, Oxford, Columbia. The records, however, look VERY similar. They have a flat top, are either 2 or 4 min and with different boxes. The only differences I see in the records themselves, is in the way the patent date is written: PAT'D. July 29,'02 PAT. July 29, 19024M (the latter I'm sure means a 4 min record...it's in a 4 min labeled box) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Universal Talking Machine
Thanks for the info, by the way, I only referred to the Machine that way, because the word Zonophone is not listed in the Auction anywhere by the obviously unastute Auction/Seller, who refers to it only as a Universal Talking Machine. I thought it might be some kind of ultra-rare, undiscovered ultra-rare animal. Bruce - Original Message - From: gpaul2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Universal Talking Machine This appears to be a Type C equipped with larger support/traveling arms to accommodate a larger horn (but not the horn that's currently on it).? I never heard of a Frank Seamans pre Zonophone Machine other than the Gibson Gramophone, the Montross Berliner, or perhaps a United States Talking Machine, and this is not any of those. George Paul -Original Message- From: BruceY bruce78...@comcast.net To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com Cc: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 9:06 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Universal Talking Machine This has got to be an exceptionally early Frank Seamans pre Zonophone Machine? does anyone know what model this is? does it look all original?? This fellow has a live auction going on here. It even has a buyers premium of 22.5%. There is not even a full description of the items as to condition etc. This is totally Buyer Beware!! http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=014sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AITviewitem=item=330219604163rd=1 Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Moldy wax records; other records
If I'm not mistaken, I believe the paperboard boxes with spindles came first before the big 48 numbered suitcase style box also with spindles. I believe the paperboard box was supplied to the customer who purchaed the early cylinder records which were sold with a record slip. The Record slip contained a circular section containing the name of the song and artist and the customer was encouraged to cut this out of the record slip and paste it onto the top of the cardboard spindles in the box so the record could then be easily identified. I believe the numbered suitcase style box came later, after cylinder records were made with the name of the selection and the artist and record number embossed or stamped around the top edge of the cylinder. I have a very unique double sided spindled suitcase style cylinder storage container that can hold up to 72 Cylinder Records, 36 on each side. Bruce - Original Message - From: ger ge...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Moldy wax records; other records **I've also got a black suitcase fitted and numbered for 48 records (padded, with cones for records, but no boxes). I'm guessing that that must have been a salesman's case? **I've also got a paperboard box bottom (only) fitted for 12 records (waxes are in there now on paper cones), which is black, and has an old big white label on the end with lines to list the records. Would that have been one way they were shipped to stores? With no boxes?? Have I got records, or what? LOL Thanks, Ger ger55 on ebay; ge...@comcast.net Victorian Glass Plus! http://www.tias.com/stores/vgpp http://groups.yahoo.com/group/glass_antique_and_old/ - Original Message - From: Rich To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Moldy wax records You put a group of 6 up on eBay and clearly state that they will not play - moldy! They will sell. If there are boxes people will buy the records for the boxes. Just do not trash them! ger wrote: What does one do with moldy wax records? Throw them away? Or save them for the interesting titles, with hopes that someday someone will figure out how to fix them? :) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Universal Talking Machine
This has got to be an exceptionally early Frank Seamans pre Zonophone Machine? does anyone know what model this is? does it look all original?? This fellow has a live auction going on here. It even has a buyers premium of 22.5%. There is not even a full description of the items as to condition etc. This is totally Buyer Beware!! http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=014sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AITviewitem=item=330219604163rd=1 Bruce From glast...@comcast.net Sat Mar 15 18:53:26 2008 From: glast...@comcast.net (George Glastris) Date: Sat Mar 15 18:53:51 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Phonograph Story To Be on NPR In-Reply-To: eb759a1b1bd24c2591f2fd449f942...@danpc References: dd9d7c57890542e1b8cb89039a7ed...@glastrispc037301c886db$d93c32e0$6401a...@tonyandjose eb759a1b1bd24c2591f2fd449f942...@danpc Message-ID: 3de5ae4e59554df6b49328229fb28...@glastrispc I really don't know if NPR per se will stream it as it's from American Public Media which is another production company, but I believe you can get the Podcast. - Original Message - From: Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phonograph Story To Be on NPR NPR streams their radio programs. You should be able to listen online. Chekout http://www.npr.org. Dan - Original Message - From: Mario Frazzetto mari...@optusnet.com.au To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phonograph Story To Be on NPR Hi George, What about us overseas collectors, how can we hear the story??? Mario - Original Message - From: George Glastris glast...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 6:45 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Phonograph Story To Be on NPR To all on the list, I will be telling a story likely to send shivers down the spine of all phonograph collectors. It will be on Monday from 2PM Eastern time on the NPR show called The Story. If you need to find a station or website to tune in to here is a link http://thestory.org/Stations All the best, George ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1329 - Release Date: 14/03/2008 12:33 PM ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone
There is no doubt that this was work of a deranged mad man, to create this ultimate CRAPANOLA!! - Original Message - From: est...@localnet.com To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 11:05 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone This one is the worst I've seen yet- has two reproduction Columbia decals, and looks like a Grafonola case was sacrificed for this abortion. http://cgi.ebay.com/ANTIQUE-VINTAGE-STYLE-COLUMBIA-REPLICA-PHONOGRAPH_W0QQitemZ140214953262QQihZ004QQcategoryZ38028QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] expensive Amberola 30!
It looks like once the bidding progressed passed the 400 dollar mark, then 3 bidders put in proxy bids where automatic bidding took over and raised it up to the crazy, unexplainable amount you see now. There is either a bidding war going on here or heaven forbid some high tech schilling going on, to entice some sucker into remortgaging the house to buy it!! Bruce - Original Message - From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 5:48 PM Subject: [Phono-L] expensive Amberola 30! What am I missing here? The 30 that Wayne sold me for less than a third this one's going price is just about as nice! I've never seen a regular ol' 30 go for more than $375 or so. What gives? http://cgi.ebay.com/ORIGINAL-EDISON-CYLINDER-PLAYER-AMBEROLA-30-PHONOGRAPH_W0QQitemZ230228557340QQihZ013QQcategoryZ38029QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Thanks, Robert ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Rare pathe art model
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250219889912indexURL=9photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting You just don't see these very often. A rare Pathe Art model phonograph with and electric motor for the turntable. Unfortunately no shipping, you have to pick it up and its on the West Coast. Have a look. Bruce From lhera...@bu.edu Sat Mar 1 16:25:26 2008 From: lhera...@bu.edu (Ron L'Herault) Date: Sat Mar 1 16:29:31 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Movie props needed Message-ID: 000101c87bfb$ed2baf50$2f01a...@ronlherault I got a call today from a woman who is looking for two console electric radio-phonos needed ASAP for a movie being shot in Medfield, MA. They need an ordinary (not expensive when new) foreign (German/French etc) radio-phono from about 1938, maybe a bit earlier but not later.They also need an American unit, late 1940s or early 1950s. They need these by Monday she said. Anyone in ME/MA/RI/CT willing to help? Contact me off list for the name and phone of the set designer looking for help. Ron L
[Phono-L] 15 3/4 Pathe Records, and Music Service Co.
Oh, I forgot to ask. What type of needle were these originally played with? Basic Steel needles or something else? Bruce - Original Message - From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 15 3/4 Pathe Records, and Music Service Co. Wow, I've never seen the elusive 16 (ish) Pathe in all these years, and now two stashes show up. Bruce, the records you describe are exactly the same as the ones I just grabbed from eBay last month. Ron Dethlefson has exstensive info about them in his Pathe book, wich I haven't had the funds to grab a copy of just yet (but he told me it's all in there). Dr. K has 2 machines that accommodate these monster discs and can tell you more than I. I transferred the Ca. Ramblers title (Cat. #566) among my stash and sent it to an Adrian Rollini enthusiast in the UK who confirmed that in typical Pathe fashion, the performance is the same as other Pathe issues (always with the pantographing! I swear). Here's what he had to say: Thank you SO much for the recording - beautifully done - you know your stuff I think. Anyway, the California Ramblers were also known as The Golden Gate Orchestra many other names for different record labels. 'Where is That Old Girl of Mine' was only recorded once by them it was under the name of 'The Vagabonds' on June 6th 1924 matrix number 8912-A. The strange thing is that it was not recorded for Pathe at all but for the Gennett Label (Gennett 5529) also released on Edison Bell Winner (4121) Starr 9566 - note last three numbers (566) which correspond to the matrix marks on your disc!!!??? I can confirm that both yours the Gennett are absolutely identical your speed is running perfectly correctly - putting the tune in the key of Eb. That the speed and key match tells me the discs run at 120rpm exactly. I still need to collect all title/artist/number/matrix info on these discs. Work picked up and I've been swamped for a month now. Best to all, Robert - Original Message - From: BruceY bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 15 3/4 Pathe Records, and Music Service Co. What type of phonograph would they be playing these 15 3/4 Pathes and Music Service Co. Records on in the early twenties? They do not fit on a regular type Pathe Machine, which could accomodate up to the 14 pathes. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.9/1295 - Release Date: 2/23/2008 9:35 PM
[Phono-L] 15 3/4 Pathe Records, and Music Service Co.
Sorry for all these questions, but they keep popping into my head. I am assuming that these discs play alot longer then the regular 10 pathe actuelle records, so were there two seperate takes done at the time of the recording session? One for the regular records, and another to accomodate the longer playing Monsters? Also, were these designed to play at 78rpm? or at the earlier 80rpm Pathe speed? Thanks Bruce - Original Message - From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 15 3/4 Pathe Records, and Music Service Co. Wow, I've never seen the elusive 16 (ish) Pathe in all these years, and now two stashes show up. Bruce, the records you describe are exactly the same as the ones I just grabbed from eBay last month. Ron Dethlefson has exstensive info about them in his Pathe book, wich I haven't had the funds to grab a copy of just yet (but he told me it's all in there). Dr. K has 2 machines that accommodate these monster discs and can tell you more than I. I transferred the Ca. Ramblers title (Cat. #566) among my stash and sent it to an Adrian Rollini enthusiast in the UK who confirmed that in typical Pathe fashion, the performance is the same as other Pathe issues (always with the pantographing! I swear). Here's what he had to say: Thank you SO much for the recording - beautifully done - you know your stuff I think. Anyway, the California Ramblers were also known as The Golden Gate Orchestra many other names for different record labels. 'Where is That Old Girl of Mine' was only recorded once by them it was under the name of 'The Vagabonds' on June 6th 1924 matrix number 8912-A. The strange thing is that it was not recorded for Pathe at all but for the Gennett Label (Gennett 5529) also released on Edison Bell Winner (4121) Starr 9566 - note last three numbers (566) which correspond to the matrix marks on your disc!!!??? I can confirm that both yours the Gennett are absolutely identical your speed is running perfectly correctly - putting the tune in the key of Eb. That the speed and key match tells me the discs run at 120rpm exactly. I still need to collect all title/artist/number/matrix info on these discs. Work picked up and I've been swamped for a month now. Best to all, Robert - Original Message - From: BruceY bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 15 3/4 Pathe Records, and Music Service Co. What type of phonograph would they be playing these 15 3/4 Pathes and Music Service Co. Records on in the early twenties? They do not fit on a regular type Pathe Machine, which could accomodate up to the 14 pathes. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.9/1295 - Release Date: 2/23/2008 9:35 PM
[Phono-L] 15 3/4 Pathe Records, and Music Service Co.
Oh, so even though these are Actuelles, they are basically vertical grooves as with the 14 Pathes? Interesting. Do you own one of those Big Pathe machines to play those, or are you using the saphire ball needle on a different machine with a vertical groove setting? Bruce - Original Message - From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 15 3/4 Pathe Records, and Music Service Co. The grooves look exactly like 14 Pathe grooves. I've been using the standard Pathe sapphire ball stylus to play mine and it works great. - Original Message - From: BruceY bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 15 3/4 Pathe Records, and Music Service Co. Oh, I forgot to ask. What type of needle were these originally played with? Basic Steel needles or something else? Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1297 - Release Date: 2/25/2008 9:22 AM
[Phono-L] Lincoln's Speech at Gettysburg
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=170189982070ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123 I just noticed this on ebay. I don't think it comes up that often, so if anyone might be interested here is your chance for an Edison Cylinder version . Bruce From ronbr...@aol.com Tue Feb 5 14:42:46 2008 From: ronbr...@aol.com (ronbr...@aol.com) Date: Tue Feb 5 14:43:01 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Herzog Peg Layout In-Reply-To: 47a8bd72.7020...@mediaguide.com References: 000601c86819$e97a0be0$0200a...@office 47a8bd72.7020...@mediaguide.com Message-ID: 8ca365f8fbeda21-e2c-4...@webmail-dg10.sim.aol.com I have a nice VV-50 (oak) that is in nice condition.? It's a decent sounding machine with an exhibition reproducer.? It's in nice working condition.? If interested in this type of machine let me know.? I am looking for only $250 plus shipping Ron -Original Message- From: Thatcher Graham thatc...@mediaguide.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 1:48 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Herzog Peg Layout And while I'm tapping the great knowledge bank that is the phonolist, are there any basic rules of thumb be applied to buying a portable phonograph? What types of problems are common/endemic to certain models?? What's impossible to repair and should be inspected before purchase?? What's a generally good make/model? etc? ? ? mark.albert...@comcast.net? ___? Phono-L mailing list? http://phono-l.oldcrank.org? ? ? ___? Phono-L mailing list? http://phono-l.oldcrank.org? More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From appywan...@hotmail.com Tue Feb 5 14:53:57 2008 From: appywan...@hotmail.com (John Maeder) Date: Tue Feb 5 14:54:06 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Edison Triumph F In-Reply-To: 519558.85350...@web44802.mail.sp1.yahoo.com References: 20080205195213.74cb83b4...@mail.intellitechcomputing.com 519558.85350...@web44802.mail.sp1.yahoo.com Message-ID: blu112-w8eca9a32d2015922a3b22dc...@phx.gbl Stephen -- Glad to learn it went to someone I know even if only through the list . . . I'm sure it is going to a good home! I would die for those opera cylinders. Not to put any pressure on you, but would you keep me in mind for right-of-first-refusal if you ever sell it? Kind regards, John Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:32:07 -0800 From: bowl...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Edison Triumph F Hi, Glad to hear that i wasn't the only person surfing ebay during a football game. I picked up the machine yesterday morning as it was only 20 minutes away from my house. I have learned that I am only the 3rd owner of this machine. The machine is in good working order and only needs the link repaired in the reproducer. The O reproducer came right out of the carriage. The cygnet horn and elbow are both in good condition but the paint is mostly gone on the outside but good on the inside. The cylinders are mostly 2 and 4 minute opera and german marches. Also included a reducer ring with a complete recorder in the box. Stephen Madara Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From thatc...@mediaguide.com Tue Feb 5 15:37:56 2008 From: thatc...@mediaguide.com (Thatcher Graham) Date: Tue Feb 5 15:38:14 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Herzog Peg Layout In-Reply-To: 01f101c8683e$bfed9a60$6500a...@your4dacd0ea75 References: 000601c86819$e97a0be0$0200a...@office47a8bd72.7020...@mediaguide.com bay123-dav14049431ae33eba9f9485daa...@phx.gbl 01f101c8683e$bfed9a60$6500a...@your4dacd0ea75 Message-ID: 47a8f354.7030...@mediaguide.com It looks nice and sounds damn fine. Thanks for the info! --Thatcher Bob wrote: That's a Columbia 161. It's also my favorite portable. I've owned two of them and several Victor ortho portables and I always preferred the Columbia. RMV - Original Message - From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Herzog Peg Layout Only rule I can think of is never trust the original handle! I've always liked the Victor Orthophonic suitcase models, but there's a Columbia Viva-Tonal model out there that sounds almost hi-fi, like a Credenza. Anyone know which one I'm talking about? Here's a pic: http://pagesperso-orange.fr/jlf/pho/18.jpg And here's the page associated with the pic, with a sound clip of it playing.
[Phono-L] U.S. Everlasting-The Fireman's song-Cronophone System
I have U.S. Everlasting Cylinder-The Fireman's Song, sung by Hamilton Hill, and have often wondered about it, since it is sung by a British Singer who did very few selections for American Record Companies. Like most U.S. Everlastin Cylinders it is remarkably loud and clear, and this one has outstanding sound effects as well, with Galloping horses, a cheering crowd, and the Fire Alarm Bell. I just found out that there was Actually a Cronophone short film, featuring one Hamilton Hill in 1906 called the The Fireman's song. This was a very early film system combining early film with recorded discs. There was even a theatre in this Country. I wonder if any of these were preserved, including that 1906 Short, featuring Hamilton Hill, presumably singing the Title Song that is heard on U.S. Everlasting #235. See below http://cinematreasures.org/theater/10042/ Bruce From allena...@aol.com Sat Feb 2 07:56:06 2008 From: allena...@aol.com (allena...@aol.com) Date: Sat Feb 2 07:56:20 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] U.S. Everlasting-The Fireman's song-Cronophone System/ Message-ID: c0f.1cba041d.34d5e...@aol.com In a message dated 2/2/2008 10:30:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bruce78...@comcast.net writes: I just found out that there was Actually a Cronophone short film, featuring one Hamilton Hill in 1906 called the The Fireman's song. - Hi Do you mean the Gaumont Co.'s Chronophone? Allen _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) **Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300025 48) From jnic...@fuse.net Sat Feb 2 08:05:07 2008 From: jnic...@fuse.net (Jim Nichol) Date: Sat Feb 2 08:05:52 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] OT - Ebay rebellion In-Reply-To: 47a473f3.4040...@octoxol.com References: 47a3bbf9.4020...@cox.net 000701c8653e$b6e640a0$6501a...@home c605e84b-8165-4db2-b28a-0c18aa13f...@fuse.net 47a473f3.4040...@octoxol.com Message-ID: 3664d0d9-2874-4b83-88e6-e606e6045...@fuse.net Exactly. The whole idea of feedback was flawed from the beginning. Jim On Feb 2, 2008, at 8:45 AM, Rich wrote: Just to play devils advocate here. What about the seller who is ripped off by th buyer? If that seller leaves negative FB for the buyer he can be sure that he will receive a negative comment in return. Jim Nichol wrote: Isn't is obvious? Buyers usually wouldn't leave bad feedback for ripoff sellers, because they don't want to risk retaliation by the seller. For that reason, I have never left negative feedback for a seller, even when he deserved it. I don't want my 100% record to be ruined by his retaliation. When I get ripped off by a seller, I just don't leave feedback at all. Jim On Feb 1, 2008, at 8:55 PM, Albert wrote: wondered about this too. What is Ebays rationale for not allowing sellers to leave negative feed back on buyers? can somebody comment? Al Menashe - Original Message - From: Eric Boyles 66p...@cox.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 4:40 PM Subject: [Phono-L] OT - Ebay rebellion Looks like there is a big push back on the upcoming Ebay changes.. http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/31/smbusiness/ebay_fee_hike.fsb/index.htm?postversion=2008013116 It appears there is a orchestrated event asking sellers not to list and buyers not to bid during the week of Feb 20-27. It may get interesting.. Eric ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/955 - Release Date: 8/15/2007 4:55 PM ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] AEOLIAN-VOCALION
I am not familiar with that model number, I have a model 430-2 Upright Aeloian Vocalion. I assume like most of their machines it has the so-called Graduola Feature, which you can have a load of fun demonstrating to visitors as the worlds first remote volume control!! so find out if it has this feature, as non-phonograph collectors get a real hoot of this. The finish on the Aeolians-Vocalions if it has held up over the years is extremely nice, and at least from my experiance with the 430-2 I can say that they were interesting well built machines, but like I say, I am not familiar with the model you mention, but $150.00 sounds like short money if it does have the graduola feature, and the case and mechanics are in decent shape. Bruce - Original Message - From: Mgraziano1 mgrazia...@o-lite.com To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 12:59 PM Subject: [Phono-L] AEOLIAN-VOCALION Have an opportunity to pick up a floor standing unit. AEOLIAN-VOCALION, style 510 or 310, model 55 and the serial 310-1 I wasn't able to find too much on it on the internet, and my limited books did not have it listed. Is this especially rare or valuable? Condition is OK, and original, and is supposed to have all pieces. I have not seen it in person as it is 2 hours away. Asking price is $150. Thoughts? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: 12/30/2007 11:27 AM
[Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum
The Lyceum Theatre is at - Original Message - From: George Glastris glast...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum Most likely they were used for sing alongs between acts. They would be projected on a screen from a magic lantern and the audience would participate. Later, when animation came to be used, they added a bouncing ball to make it easier to follow the music. I assume Len Spencer owned a theatre somewhere named the Lyceum, most likely in his hometown or wherever his home base was. - Original Message - From: michael funk f...@insightbb.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 4:14 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum I was cleaning out some boxes I had with old phono materials in them and came across a tin box full of glass slides illustrating lyrics or photos to a song. The box in embossed property of Len Spencer's Lyceum. How would these have been used at the Lyceum? To accompany singers and phonograph records as they played? Is it possible there was also an arcade that with a coin op machine that played a record and showed the glass slides (like a kinetescope)? I was not able to find anything with Google. Thanks in advance for your help, P.S. Mike and I had a fun project yesterday. We had bought a huge Nipper at Stanton's that has a speaker fixed inside with a screen in his neck area. We were able to combine the old speaker wire with new wire and hook it up to a CD player. We were thrilled to hear Fred Van Epps coming from Nipper! Suellen ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.7/1152 - Release Date: 11/26/2007 10:50 AM
[Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum
Ok, here is the text of G.W. Johnson's death: Rumors have alleged that the first Black recording star died either in a racism motivated lynching, or alternatively that he was hanged after he committed murder. Neither story is true. George W. Johnson died apparently of natural causes, while in the employ of Len Spencer as doorman for the Lyceum Theater in Manhattan. - Original Message - From: John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:55 AM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum On Tim Gracyk's site, the page detailing what happened to recording artists states that Spencer was a doorman at the Lyceum at the time of his death, but the NYT obit I refer to would seem to contradict that. From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:28:42 -0500 The Lyceum Theatre is the oldest contiunously operating theatre in NYC, at 149 West 45th Street in Midtown Manhatten. Per the interesting Funeral notice that I posted last week concerning Len Spencer's unusual Funeral Arrangement in December of 1914, his booking office was nearby at 245 West 42nd Street, so it is likely that Spencer probably owned the theatre for a time, or at least put on programs there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyceum_Theatre_(New_York) Bruce - Original Message - From: George Glastris glast...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum Most likely they were used for sing alongs between acts. They would be projected on a screen from a magic lantern and the audience would participate. Later, when animation came to be used, they added a bouncing ball to make it easier to follow the music. I assume Len Spencer owned a theatre somewhere named the Lyceum, most likely in his hometown or wherever his home base was. - Original Message - From: michael funk f...@insightbb.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 4:14 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum I was cleaning out some boxes I had with old phono materials in them and came across a tin box full of glass slides illustrating lyrics or photos to a song. The box in embossed property of Len Spencer's Lyceum. How would these have been used at the Lyceum? To accompany singers and phonograph records as they played? Is it possible there was also an arcade that with a coin op machine that played a record and showed the glass slides (like a kinetescope)? I was not able to find anything with Google. Thanks in advance for your help, P.S. Mike and I had a fun project yesterday. We had bought a huge Nipper at Stanton's that has a speaker fixed inside with a screen in his neck area. We were able to combine the old speaker wire with new wire and hook it up to a CD player. We were thrilled to hear Fred Van Epps coming from Nipper! Suellen ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.7/1152 - Release Date: 11/26/2007 10:50 AM ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.7/1152 - Release Date: 11/26/2007 10:50 AM
[Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum
Hmmm I think there is some confusion here. From what I understand, Spencer's friend and fellow entertainer George W. Johnson, the first black ever to make a phonograph record, had the job as doorman, and he also had a room there as well. Bruce - Original Message - From: John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:55 AM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum On Tim Gracyk's site, the page detailing what happened to recording artists states that Spencer was a doorman at the Lyceum at the time of his death, but the NYT obit I refer to would seem to contradict that. From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:28:42 -0500 The Lyceum Theatre is the oldest contiunously operating theatre in NYC, at 149 West 45th Street in Midtown Manhatten. Per the interesting Funeral notice that I posted last week concerning Len Spencer's unusual Funeral Arrangement in December of 1914, his booking office was nearby at 245 West 42nd Street, so it is likely that Spencer probably owned the theatre for a time, or at least put on programs there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyceum_Theatre_(New_York) Bruce - Original Message - From: George Glastris glast...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum Most likely they were used for sing alongs between acts. They would be projected on a screen from a magic lantern and the audience would participate. Later, when animation came to be used, they added a bouncing ball to make it easier to follow the music. I assume Len Spencer owned a theatre somewhere named the Lyceum, most likely in his hometown or wherever his home base was. - Original Message - From: michael funk f...@insightbb.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 4:14 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum I was cleaning out some boxes I had with old phono materials in them and came across a tin box full of glass slides illustrating lyrics or photos to a song. The box in embossed property of Len Spencer's Lyceum. How would these have been used at the Lyceum? To accompany singers and phonograph records as they played? Is it possible there was also an arcade that with a coin op machine that played a record and showed the glass slides (like a kinetescope)? I was not able to find anything with Google. Thanks in advance for your help, P.S. Mike and I had a fun project yesterday. We had bought a huge Nipper at Stanton's that has a speaker fixed inside with a screen in his neck area. We were able to combine the old speaker wire with new wire and hook it up to a CD player. We were thrilled to hear Fred Van Epps coming from Nipper! Suellen ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.7/1152 - Release Date: 11/26/2007 10:50 AM ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.7/1152 - Release Date: 11/26/2007 10:50 AM
[Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum
Ok, for those who are interested, here is the full text of it. Spencer indeed had hired Johnson as the doorman at the Lyceum, and Johnson also had a room there. Johnson died in January of 1914 followed by Spencer who died there that same year in December. Fred Rabenstein, Edison's longtime paymaster, provided Jim Walsh this description of George W. Johnson's final years with his old recording partner Len Spencer in New York: When Len opened his Lyceum he had a doorman in full regalia--he was none other than George W. Johnson (who made the old laughing song records). George was something to behold in his full dress admiral (or was it general?) uniform. It was all right for a while--George had a room at the Lyceum, but after they moved from 14th Street up to 28th Street things caught up with George. He used to run errands and always being a little short of cash he used to borrow money from clients. He never paid back and after a while he was afraid to go to some of the places. George could only do the 'Laughing Song,' and therefore it was hard for him to pick up extra money. Then he liked to drink. After George died Len started to clean out the room and in the closet they found remains of many lunches (bread, bottles, ham, etc.), including roaches and other livestock. Len didn't get another doorman, but had an office boy. We understood that Len treated George all right, but was afraid to let him have much money because the 'doorman' would be indisposed for several days afterwards. George W. Johnson passed away in 1914, followed a few months later by Len Spencer. - Original Message - From: John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:55 AM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum On Tim Gracyk's site, the page detailing what happened to recording artists states that Spencer was a doorman at the Lyceum at the time of his death, but the NYT obit I refer to would seem to contradict that. From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:28:42 -0500 The Lyceum Theatre is the oldest contiunously operating theatre in NYC, at 149 West 45th Street in Midtown Manhatten. Per the interesting Funeral notice that I posted last week concerning Len Spencer's unusual Funeral Arrangement in December of 1914, his booking office was nearby at 245 West 42nd Street, so it is likely that Spencer probably owned the theatre for a time, or at least put on programs there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyceum_Theatre_(New_York) Bruce - Original Message - From: George Glastris glast...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum Most likely they were used for sing alongs between acts. They would be projected on a screen from a magic lantern and the audience would participate. Later, when animation came to be used, they added a bouncing ball to make it easier to follow the music. I assume Len Spencer owned a theatre somewhere named the Lyceum, most likely in his hometown or wherever his home base was. - Original Message - From: michael funk f...@insightbb.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 4:14 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Len Spencer's Lyceum I was cleaning out some boxes I had with old phono materials in them and came across a tin box full of glass slides illustrating lyrics or photos to a song. The box in embossed property of Len Spencer's Lyceum. How would these have been used at the Lyceum? To accompany singers and phonograph records as they played? Is it possible there was also an arcade that with a coin op machine that played a record and showed the glass slides (like a kinetescope)? I was not able to find anything with Google. Thanks in advance for your help, P.S. Mike and I had a fun project yesterday. We had bought a huge Nipper at Stanton's that has a speaker fixed inside with a screen in his neck area. We were able to combine the old speaker wire with new wire and hook it up to a CD player. We were thrilled to hear Fred Van Epps coming from Nipper! Suellen ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.7/1152 - Release Date: 11/26/2007 10:50 AM ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- No virus found in this incoming
[Phono-L] Len Spencer Talked at his own Funeral
Oh the Pitfalls of modern technology!! Sorry for the frustration!! I guess that's the way my cookies crumble, darn!! - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Len Spencer Talked at his own Funeral Bruce, the link takes you to the registration page for the NYT. That is why it fails unless it is you with your cookies. BruceY wrote: That is strange, when I click on the link below, I get the whole news artcle from December of 1914. I don't understand why it doesn't open for you. I wish it did though. It is very interesting. http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1res=9C0CE1DA1438E633A2575BC1A9649D946596D6CForef=slogin - Original Message - From: tim venetis tvene...@optonline.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Len Spencer Talked at his own Funeral when i go to the link there is a pdf file to download so I found a pdf to txt but it does not read much just when it was written - Original Message - From: BruceY bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: mocap...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:23 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Len Spencer Talked at his own Funeral This is fascinating, Len Spencer talked at his own Funeral, reciting the Lord's Prayer and 23rd Psalm!! Here is the actual newsclipping from 1914!! and then read what happened to the records, at his request. http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1res=9C0CE1DA1438E633A2575BC1A9649D946596D6CForef=slogin Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1137 - Release Date: 11/18/2007 5:15 PM ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.1/1141 - Release Date: 11/20/2007 11:34 AM
[Phono-L] Len Spencer Talked at his own Funeral
The article mentions two records, but if I am not mistaken, Spencer's renditions of the Lord's Prayer and the Twenty-third Psalm are usually found on the same record side, if they are similar to the early1890's Berliner of Spencer reciting both. Perhaps though, maybe the article is not giving the whole story, and there were many of Spencer's recordings played that evening. - Original Message - From: Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Len Spencer Talked at his own Funeral Anyone know what happened to the records after being locked up? Do you suppose any of them still survive? Dan - Original Message - From: BruceY bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 5:14 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Len Spencer Talked at his own Funeral That is strange, when I click on the link below, I get the whole news artcle from December of 1914. I don't understand why it doesn't open for you. I wish it did though. It is very interesting. http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1res=9C0CE1DA1438E633A2575BC1A9649D946596D6CForef=slogin - Original Message - From: tim venetis tvene...@optonline.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Len Spencer Talked at his own Funeral when i go to the link there is a pdf file to download so I found a pdf to txt but it does not read much just when it was written - Original Message - From: BruceY bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: mocap...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:23 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Len Spencer Talked at his own Funeral This is fascinating, Len Spencer talked at his own Funeral, reciting the Lord's Prayer and 23rd Psalm!! Here is the actual newsclipping from 1914!! and then read what happened to the records, at his request. http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1res=9C0CE1DA1438E633A2575BC1A9649D946596D6CForef=slogin Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1137 - Release Date: 11/18/2007 5:15 PM ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.1/1141 - Release Date: 11/20/2007 11:34 AM
[Phono-L] Does this look fishy???
Wow, certainly a deal that is too good to pass up!! Which is certainly what the seller is hoping. Bruce - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 3:03 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Does this look fishy??? This looks fishy to me...a Regina Hexaphone for a buy it now of $3500 and free shipping? A seller with no history, and preapproved bidders only? You can't click the bidding buttons, and other things on the screen do not look right yet it is on ebay!! Strange... John Robles http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250187778654ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1123 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.31/1130 - Release Date: 11/14/2007 9:27 AM
[Phono-L] Does this look fishy???
Yes, perhaps we are too quick to judge. Could be some poor soul down on his luck, who inherited this machine, and needs cash in a hurry. Quick Marjie, warm up the Van, we are heading for California!! - Original Message - From: Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Does this look fishy??? I agree that something is strange about the auction page. The Buy It now button covers part of the normal screen. You can't even see the day and time the auction ends. This one scares me a bit. Fantastic deal though if it is real. Dan - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 12:03 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Does this look fishy??? This looks fishy to me...a Regina Hexaphone for a buy it now of $3500 and free shipping? A seller with no history, and preapproved bidders only? You can't click the bidding buttons, and other things on the screen do not look right yet it is on ebay!! Strange... John Robles http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250187778654ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1123 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.33/1132 - Release Date: 11/15/2007 9:34 AM
[Phono-L] Edison triumph with totally different upper bedplate
Yes, exactly my sentiments about the description. My suspicion is that they know about this machine and who altered it and why, but then again this is all speculative, and they want some numbskull to think they know nothing about these machines, and hope some one will think it is some one of a kind original Edison Oddity that he can quickly pick up for short money, but worth a bloody fortune. - Original Message - From: Albert cen...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison triumph with totally different upper bedplate I thought the same thing. They must think we collectors just jumped off a turnip truck. Al Menashe - Original Message - From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@alamedanet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison triumph with totally different upper bedplate the description is also just a little too precious (aw shucks, its a stone-looking thing, i think collectors call it a stylus). this might be a big ruse. On Nov 13, 2007, at 6:16 PM, estott wrote: To me it doesn't look like a product of the Edison works- I'd guess that everything above the bedplate is the work of a very skillful mechanic. I strongly suspect this was someone's recording machine- the precision adjustments and quick release on the carrier arm the leveling adjustments on the front edge are impressive- possibly to make recordings with different cutting depths. Eric Stott - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:42 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison triumph with totally different upper bedplate http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320182426778 http://tinyurl.com/2dhcqj What is this? Steve___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/955 - Release Date: 8/15/2007 4:55 PM ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.31/1128 - Release Date: 11/13/2007 11:09 AM
[Phono-L] RE: Internet security
:When somebody hijacks your ebay account and then puts iems on ebay, why doesn't the offended party find out immediatiely about the posting. Since ebay always sends an immediate confriming email to the account holders email address, that would be the red flag that signals that illegal activity has taken plance and the true owner of the account could then take proper action to report it to ebay, pull the posting and change his ebay ID and password. Or am I missing something here? Bruce - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] RE: Internet security Storing passwords / login information etc. on a remote server is no different from mailing them to me for safekeeping. All you have is the word of an unknown individual or website that they will keep them safe. How many credit card numbers get lifted from some company who has been storing them for customer convenience. You read about that every day. I will not even bother with the lack of security that web based email offers. But think about all of the free space Google gives you for storage of all of your files. Do you really trust them with your tax records? Remote servers connected to the internet are a secure as a cardboard box out behind your garage and just about as difficult to get into. And they have the added benefit of having many boxes of individual data in one spot. Computer / internet security is an interesting area and individuals should always consider the range of potential consequences of the potential loss of control of any information carefully before taking any action. On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 01:14:23 -0400, Steven Medved wrote: For passwords I like roboform, you can go to roboform.com and if you have 9 passwords or less it is free. I have around 100 and I do not have to memorize them. These days the scams keep on getting better and better so you have to be more and more careful. If you have any questions about roboform you can ask me off list. I do not sell or make any money from it, but I enjoy making suggestions. Best wishes, Steve The default does not store passwords. You have to allow IE to store passwords.I would be more than willing to debate that with you. The password and username is stored by IE if you allow it to do so, this is more than the cookie that is set when you check remember me. The MS email programs will run several different programs if you allow then to be previewed, you do not have to do anything. They will also execute any scripts imbedded in the HTML if you preview any HTML message. Your information is correct but somewhat out of date. The people who are getting burned now are the people running a stock system that has not been modified for secuity, they are still using the default settings.On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:50:00 -0700, Daniel Melvin wrote: The previous post wasn't completely accurate, but there was some good advise. Change settings on any email reader to not show the content of the email unless you open it. All the issues mentioned below go away. Also, if you use Automatic Update with any operating system you have the likelyhood of such issues go way down as well. Caution is the the key. Don't open or respond to emails from anyone you don't know. Don't click on links in emails you don't trust. It's fairly simple. Also, the ebay password is not on your computer in a cookie unless you say remember me on this computer. Something I never do on any computer for any password. That again is not unique to windows. The password is stored on your computer by the web page when you click on the remember me on this system part of the login page. Dan - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Record Price for Edison Army-Navy??If using Windows and either Microsoft email programs, Outlook or Outlook Express, you need to be aware that Internet Explorer stores login information. The email program will run a script if you open or view, an email. The script will go extract your login info and ship it off through the internet. see the linkage of the email and the browser? That is the hole. The script in question is usually a .vbs routine embedded in an HTML formatted email. Outlook / Outlook Express run the ,vbs by default, you can turn this feature off. Also turn off displaying HTML emails. This is how you loose your ID and Password and never filled in anything. On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:48:20 EDT, aph4...@aol.com wrote: Bruce, I had my eBay identity AND password hijacked recently and someone used it to put a bunch of Mercedes, Jaguars and Rovers up on eBay for
[Phono-L] Reed Organ Cased Talking Machine
This could be a real sleeper!! Some of the older and more ornate Widdicomb Furniture Pieces are still highly prized today and go for big bucks!! This certainly could be very close to a one of kind prized Widdicomb made oddity !! - Original Message - From: Bruce Mercer maxbu...@sigecom.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:47 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Reed Organ Cased Talking Machine http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=180168778369ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:ITih=008 Here's something I've never seen before. Now I know what happened to all of those reed organ cases that went unused after the playerpianos and phonographs came on the scene. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.0/1077 - Release Date: 10/18/2007 9:54 AM
