Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems
I was following your thread Ron, but had nothing to offer. Had checked some of my references and nothing at all shows up for a Little Wonder. Thank you, Great Lakes Antique Phonograph George Vollema 9496 N Woodbridge Ave Bitely MI 49309 231-745-7175 victr...@triton.net www.victroladoctor.com On 5/8/2019 10:25 AM, Ron L'Herault via Phono-L wrote: I was hoping my little jest would prompt some reaction from list members. Facebook has really screwed up mailing list participation but I still find the mailing list a better/easier way to share info and/or get help. Ron L *From:*Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] *On Behalf Of *Peter Fraser via Phono-L *Sent:* Tuesday, May 07, 2019 11:49 PM *To:* Antique Phonograph List *Cc:* Peter Fraser *Subject:* Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems I’m still here too! Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com <mailto:pjfra...@mac.com> On May 7, 2019, at 8:33 PM, Jim Nichol via Phono-L mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org>> wrote: Ron, I doubt you and Mike are the only people left on this list. But I’ve only run into problems like yours twice. One was a Busy Bee disc phono. I did find a problem with binding in the governor gearing, but I think a weak spring was the real problem. Also, my Edison Opera stopped working after traveling to Chicago. It was easily fixed when I found that governor shaft wouldn’t turn. I loosened a set screw and allowed a little play in the governor shaft, and all was well. Jim Nichol On May 7, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Ron L'Herault via Phono-L mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org>> wrote: The old spring was 5/8 by .018. I’ve just installed a 5/8 by .022 which seems to be about the same length, around 8 5eet I believe. It’s a NOS Honest Quaker (I actually have two of these!). It may be a bit better. I think I’m going to try a counter weight on the “tone arm” to lighten the reproduce a bit. That may let it play through an 8” record. Looks like you and I are the only ones on the oldcrank phonograph list. NO one else commented. Ron L *From:*Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-bounces@oldcrankorg <mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org>]*On Behalf Of*Mike Tucker via Phono-L *Sent:*Saturday, May 04, 2019 6:13 PM *To:*'Antique Phonograph List' *Cc:*mtucker1...@gmail.com <mailto:mtucker1...@gmail.com> *Subject:*Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems Ron, What is the width of the spring? The Windsor listing gives the following for small toy motors (Genola, Baby Grand,Carryola Cub, Pei-o-phone, Artone, Featherweight etc) with pear shape holes as ½” x .022 x 8feet. For old type toy motors the dimensions are 9/16” x .025 x 10 feet. I have no specific listing for the Little Wonder. Best wishes, Mike Tucker *From:*Phono-L mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org>>*On Behalf Of*Ron L'Herault via Phono-L *Sent:*Sunday, 5 May 2019 6:29 AM *To:*phonol...@yahoogroups.com <mailto:phonol...@yahoogroups.com>; 'Antique Phonograph List' mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org>> *Cc:*Ron L'Herault mailto:lhera...@verizon.net>> *Subject:*[Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems I’ve been sent a LW phono with a host of small problems. This is a Vertical only machine that according to the lit. should use a sapphire ball. The governor springs were wrong. I’ve got two with Columbia weights that are pretty close. Had to make a lower bearing for the governor. It’s tad sloppy but rotational speed seems fairly consistent until the record slows half way into the side. I suspect the spring is the wrong size (too long and maybe too thick). S, what size should the spring be? There is a dish shaped washer on the winding gear side of the spring. Should the upward curve of the dish be towards the spring or towards the winding gear? Should the spring be exposed on its other end or was there another dish or flat disk there? Anybody know? And does anyone know the actual length, width, thickness of the gov. springs? Thanks, Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org <http://phono-l.org/> Unsubscribe:phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org <mailto:phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org> ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org <mailto:phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org> ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] canadian phono parts supplier
Yep and he has been retired and out of business for 5 years or so now. Made very nice quality parts. Thank you, Shop will be closed Dec 26th thru about the first week in April 2018 Great Lakes Antique Phonograph George Vollema 9496 N Woodbridge Ave Bitely MI 49309 231-745-7175 victr...@triton.net www.victroladoctor.com On 10/16/2017 1:43 PM, Grant Kornberg via Phono-L wrote: > That's Mirek Stehlik. Not sure if he's still making parts. > > --Grant > > > > -Original Message- > From: Ron L'Herault via Phono-L <phono-l@oldcrank.org> > To: phonolist <phonol...@yahoogroups.com>; 'Antique Phonograph List' > <phono-l@oldcrank.org> > Cc: Ron L'Herault <lhera...@verizon.net> > Sent: Mon, Oct 16, 2017 1:40 pm > Subject: [Phono-L] canadian phono parts supplier > > Hi Gang! > > I just came across a fuzzy print out/photocopy of parts available from a > Canadian supplier. It looks like it is from the year 2000. Print portions > are barely readable but it looks like the e-mail is phonoparts@?oh.ca > The page is headed, "Quality Reproductions" It notes, 'No Gears, No > Springs" in a little box but has reproducers, Col. clutch cranks Betinni > spiders and such, as well as a page of Berliner and Victor horn machine > parts. Does this ring a bell with anyone? Know who it is? Are they still > around? > > Ron L > > > > > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://post.spmailtechn.com/f/a/tdMJop7ZC5nqJpHrZY7rYQ~~/AABF2wA~/RgRbxixNP0EIACzv8l-qJAxXA3NwY1gEAFkGc2hhcmVkYQdoZWxsb181YAw1Mi4zOS41MS4xODRCCgAAzfjkWQdT0IJSGGFyY2hpdmVAbWFpbC1hcmNoaXZlLmNvbQlRBABE5mh0dHA6Ly9wb3N0LnNwbWFpbHRlY2huLmNvbS9mL2EvQkJqWlRSSmlBbWpCVDFGU0ExOXlTUX5-L0FBQkYyd0F-L1JnUmJ4Z0dvUDBFSUFDenY4bC1hZkQ1WEEzTndZMWdFQUFBQUFGa0djMmhoY21Wa1lRZG9aV3hzYjE4MVlBMHpOUzR4TmpJdU1UY3lMamN3UWdvQUFDak81RmtIVXh2aVVoRnRkV3hrZDI5MWNuQkFZVzlzTG1OdmJRbFJCQUFBQUFCRUVtaDBkSEE2THk5d2FHOXVieTFzTG05eVowY0NlMzB-RwJ7fQ~~ > > <http://post.spmailtechn.com/f/a/Vi7iPBro1Qwy6sBt7Z4ZdA~~/AABF2wA~/RgRbxixNP0EIACzv8l-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~~> > Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org > <mailto:unsubscr...@oldcrank.org> > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://post.spmailtechn.com/f/a/HzcwWWXZyQVyyHr67CQj4w~~/AABF2wA~/RgRbxixNP0EIACzv8l-qJAxXA3NwY1gEAFkGc2hhcmVkYQdoZWxsb181YAw1Mi4zOS41MS4xODRCCgAAzfjkWQdT0IJSGGFyY2hpdmVAbWFpbC1hcmNoaXZlLmNvbQlRBABEEmh0dHA6Ly9waG9uby1sLm9yZ0cCe30~ > Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victrola XII (VV-XII) knobs
The knobs on my XII (first cabinet style) are 3/4" and are wood-screw type. George Paul -Original Message- From: Richard Rubin via Phono-L <phono-l@oldcrank.org> To: phono-l <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Cc: Richard Rubin <richard_ru...@hotmail.com> Sent: Wed, Feb 8, 2017 6:01 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Victrola XII (VV-XII) knobs Greetings! Can anyone out there tell me the diameter of a proper set of door knobs for a Victrola XII? Digital caliper measurements appreciated, if possible. Thanks! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://post.spmailtechn.com/f/a/z0-s4g3t2q1svtOce9wqUw~~/AABF2wA~/RgRafc7GP0EIACxNEXWrizhXA3NwY1gEAFkGc2hhcmVkYQdoZWxsb181YA0zNS4xNjIuMTcyLjcwQgoAAEabnFg-1qsyUhhhcmNoaXZlQG1haWwtYXJjaGl2ZS5jb20JUQQARBJodHRwOi8vcGhvbm8tbC5vcmdHAnt9 Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 1 a
Approximately 3500 Amberola 1As were built. George P. -Original Message- From: zonophone2014--- via Phono-L <phono-l@oldcrank.org> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Cc: zonophone2014 <zonophone2...@aol.com> Sent: Wed, Feb 1, 2017 11:34 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 1 a Hi all Does anyone know how many edison 1 a were produced Thanks Rob mallett Sent from my iPhone ___ Phono-L mailing list http://post.spmailtechn.com/f/a/QY21dVrILRpcZQUGMag_Iw~~/AABF2wA~/RgRadEgIP0EIACxJBGu5QbtXA3NwY1gEAFkGc2hhcmVkYQdoZWxsb181YA0zNS4xNjIuMTcyLjcwQgoAAIgUk1jOo_NBUhhhcmNoaXZlQG1haWwtYXJjaGl2ZS5jb20JUQQAROZodHRwOi8vcG9zdC5zcG1haWx0ZWNobi5jb20vZi9hL0xDQk9RZm9TcUJ6SUNQREtORUNQckF-fi9BQUJGMndBfi9SZ1JhYy1wUlAwRUlBQ3hKSHRrV1pOcFhBM053WTFnRUFBQUFBRmtHYzJoaGNtVmtZUWRvWld4c2IxODFZQTAxTWk0ek55NHhNVGt1TVRrMlFnb0FBTkcya2xqR1JIZlRVaEZuY0dGMWJESXdNREJBWVc5c0xtTnZiUWxSQkFBQUFBQkVFbWgwZEhBNkx5OXdhRzl1Ynkxc0xtOXlaMGNDZTMwfkcCe30~ Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] instructions for rebuilding Orthophonic reproducers
Not sure about any on line instructions Bob, but if he/you has questions I'm happy to try and help. Thank you, Great Lakes Antique Phonograph George Vollema 9496 N Woodbridge Ave Bitely MI 49309 231-745-7175 victr...@triton.net www.victroladoctor.com On 11/13/2016 10:10 PM, Bob Maffit via Phono-L wrote: > > Ron: > > You are the first to respond. > > He has been able to disassemble the reproducer for the most part. It > looks like maybe someone had attempted repair prior however, obviously > some of the ball bearings are gone. > > The needle bar seems “hung up” so we had hoped for instructions or > diagrams before proceeding as maybe some type of sequence is part of > the solution. > > Your assistance is appreciated. > > Later > > Bob > > *From:*Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] *On Behalf Of > *Ron L'Herault via Phono-L > *Sent:* Sunday, November 13, 2016 5:08 PM > *To:* 'Antique Phonograph List' > *Cc:* Ron L'Herault > *Subject:* Re: [Phono-L] instructions for rebuilding Orthophonic > reproducers > > Any luck with this? It's not a terrible job if the unit comes apart > OK and does not suffer from pot metal disintegration issues. A friend > of mine had made special jigs to hold things in position while doing > tasks such as reinstalling the rather tiny ball bearings. > > Ron L > > *From:*Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] *On Behalf Of > *Bob Maffit via Phono-L > *Sent:* Saturday, November 12, 2016 10:54 AM > *To:* 'Antique Phonograph List' > *Cc:* Bob Maffit > *Subject:* [Phono-L] instructions for rebuilding Orthophonic reproducers > > Listers: > > I am looking for a reference online or / in print some ware I can get > instructions and or diagrams for rebuilding a Orthophonic reproducer. > > My friend who does support me on projects which I can’t do, is a > little perplexed and wants some guidance before proceeding. > > Thanks in advance > > Bob > > Image removed by sender. > > Image removed by sender. > > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://go.sparkpostmail.com/f/a/4LLsN8aBIadJGqtFA7N7hA~~/AABF2wA~/RgRaCwj9P0EIASwUwNmjVI9XA3NwY1gEAFkGc2hhcmVkYQhzdGFuZGFyZGANNTQuMjQ0LjU0LjE0NEIKAAR91SlY8BnqylIYYXJjaGl2ZUBtYWlsLWFyY2hpdmUuY29tCVEEAEQSaHR0cDovL3Bob25vLWwub3JnRwJ7fQ~~ > Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Reproduction Orthophonic Reproducer shells?
I've been reliably informed that Ron will not be at the Wayne show this weekend. Bummer for me too... George P. -Original Message- From: Ron L'Herault via Phono-L <phono-l@oldcrank.org> To: 'Antique Phonograph List' <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Cc: Ron L'Herault <lhera...@verizon.net> Sent: Mon, Oct 3, 2016 5:52 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Reproduction Orthophonic Reproducer shells? Thanks. Should be seeing him Sunday at the Mechanical Music Extravaganza! Ron L -Original Message- From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Ken Brekke via Phono-L Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 3:16 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Cc: Ken Brekke Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Reproduction Orthophonic Reproducer shells? I believe Ron Sitko sells these parts. On 10/3/2016 10:06 AM, Ron L'Herault via Phono-L wrote: > Does anyone sell parts to re-make a disintegrating Orthophonic > reproducer, such as the front shell and the threaded ring for the back? Price? > > Thanks, > > Ron L > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://go.sparkpostmail.com/f/a/WANnQjFOGGBNuELOVMY2-A~~/AABF2wA~/RgRZ1B5wP0EIAOv2g-AIBfpXA3NwY1gEAFkGc2hhcmVkYQhzdGFuZGFyZGANNTIuMzguMTkxLjIzN0IKAAPw6vJXxjWPwFIYYXJjaGl2ZUBtYWlsLWFyY2hpdmUuY29tCVEEAIQuAWh0dHA6Ly9nby5zcGFya3Bvc3RtYWlsLmNvbS9mL2EvcFNNbk1EWHRONGhkWnFKZF9FTFRJd35-L0FBQkYyd0F-L1JnUloxQWFMUDBFSUFXdjMzaGltQ0I1WEEzTndZMWdFQUFBQUFGa0djMmhoY21Wa1lRaHpkR0Z1WkdGeVpHQU5OVEl1TXpndU1Ua3hMakl6TVVJS0FBVUwwX0pYRFNjZ3BGSVJaM0JoZFd3eU1EQXdRR0Z2YkM1amIyMEpVUVFBQUFBQVJFWm9kSFJ3T2k4dloyOHVjM0JoY210d2IzTjBiV0ZwYkM1amIyMHZaaTloTDJNek0xRkZYM2t5TVd0bWVqRkJjbE53VkROd1VrRi1maTlCUVVKR01uZEJmaTlTWjFKYVJ3SjdmUX5-RwJ7fQ~~ > 0_KCP0EIAWv33hif-P9XA3NwY1gEAFkGc2hhcmVkYQhzdGFuZGFyZGANNTIuMzguMT > kxLjIzN0IKAAUCv_JXDScLQlIUbGhlcmF1bHRAdmVyaXpvbi5uZXQJUQQAROZodHRw > Oi8vZ28uc3Bhcmtwb3N0bWFpbC5jb20vZi9hLzFaTkRMejNjaDBXY2RmLUFIRUx6Nnd-fi > 9BQUJGMndBfi9SZ1JaMDdYdlAwRUlBR3YyTkljUUs4NVhBM053WTFnRUFBQUFBRmtHYzJo > aGNtVmtZUWh6ZEdGdVpHRnlaR0FOTlRRdU1qUTBMalUwTGpFME5VSUtBQUZ2Z3ZKWDZVRG > Q3VklSYTJKaFlqRkFZMmhoY25SbGNpNXVaWFFKVVFRQUFBQUFSQkpvZEhSd09pOHZjR2h2 > Ym04dGJDNXZjbWRIQW50OUcCe30~ > Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://go.sparkpostmail.com/f/a/-PQn0RLP9JjYH3TEGvijPg~~/AABF2wA~/RgRZ1B5wP0EIAOv2g-AIBfpXA3NwY1gEAFkGc2hhcmVkYQhzdGFuZGFyZGANNTIuMzguMTkxLjIzN0IKAAPw6vJXxjWPwFIYYXJjaGl2ZUBtYWlsLWFyY2hpdmUuY29tCVEEAIQ2AWh0dHA6Ly9nby5zcGFya3Bvc3RtYWlsLmNvbS9mL2EvNUhoeW1XdW42cC1hRVhMcTJvOFdVZ35-L0FBQkYyd0F-L1JnUloxQWFMUDBFSUFXdjMzaGltQ0I1WEEzTndZMWdFQUFBQUFGa0djMmhoY21Wa1lRaHpkR0Z1WkdGeVpHQU5OVEl1TXpndU1Ua3hMakl6TVVJS0FBVUwwX0pYRFNjZ3BGSVJaM0JoZFd3eU1EQXdRR0Z2YkM1amIyMEpVUVFBQUFBQVJFeG9kSFJ3T2k4dloyOHVjM0JoY210d2IzTjBiV0ZwYkM1amIyMHZaaTloTDNGS05UQlJSVVphTTJwNVJrOTFkMEZHVlZKSE5GRi1maTlCUVVKR01uZEJmaTlTWjFKYU1GOUxRMUF3UndKN2ZRfn5HAnt9 EIAWv33hif-P9XA3NwY1gEAFkGc2hhcmVkYQhzdGFuZGFyZGANNTIuMzguMTkxLjIzN0IKAA UCv_JXDScLQlIUbGhlcmF1bHRAdmVyaXpvbi5uZXQJUQQARBJodHRwOi8vcGhvbm8tbC5vcm dHAnt9 Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://go.sparkpostmail.com/f/a/fz-4q76Vfc77PAVbqGqNdg~~/AABF2wA~/RgRZ1B5wP0EIAOv2g-AIBfpXA3NwY1gEAFkGc2hhcmVkYQhzdGFuZGFyZGANNTIuMzguMTkxLjIzN0IKAAPw6vJXxjWPwFIYYXJjaGl2ZUBtYWlsLWFyY2hpdmUuY29tCVEEAETmaHR0cDovL2dvLnNwYXJrcG9zdG1haWwuY29tL2YvYS9HNlFkemxzZEhvbmxVbVR0cUV6SC1Rfn4vQUFCRjJ3QX4vUmdSWjFBYUxQMEVJQVd2MzNoaW1DQjVYQTNOd1kxZ0VBQUFBQUZrR2MyaGhjbVZrWVFoemRHRnVaR0Z5WkdBTk5USXVNemd1TVRreExqSXpNVUlLQUFVTDBfSlhEU2NncEZJUlozQmhkV3d5TURBd1FHRnZiQzVqYjIwSlVRUUFBQUFBUkJKb2RIUndPaTh2Y0dodmJtOHRiQzV2Y21kSEFudDlHAnt9 Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Swiss made, Gold plated?
The motor is out of one of the big Sonora Grand models. I've seen this style in a number of variation and they always mount to the bottom of the motor cavity. Some of the models had a record counter and that is what the top hardware is for. Motor appears incomplete and finding mating parts will be all but impossible, still a good parts motor as these are scare. Thank you, Great Lakes Antique Phonograph George Vollema 9496 N Woodbridge Ave Bitely MI 49309 231-745-7175 victr...@triton.net www.victroladoctor.com On 8/12/2016 2:17 PM, Ron L'Herault via Phono-L wrote: > Don't remember if we can attach pics here but I tried anyhow. I'm trying to > find out what this large Swiss made motor might have come out of. It is > missing its spindle and associated gear(s) and probably a few other bits and > pieces. I think the long flat thing up the top is part of a mechanism to > tell how many records one can play on a winding. The two heavy metal > brackets came with it as well. > > Thanks, > > Ron L > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://go.sparkpostmail.com/f/a/PoXOKI2FMMUcPVGkOW51yA~~/AABF2wA~/RgRZj304P0EIACvU_aHConNXA3NwY1gEAFkGc2hhcmVkYQhzdGFuZGFyZGANNTQuMjQ0LjU0LjE0NEIKAAC4Sa5X-iw1F1IYYXJjaGl2ZUBtYWlsLWFyY2hpdmUuY29tCVEEAEQSaHR0cDovL3Bob25vLWwub3JnRwJ7fQ~~ > Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Mikky Phone reproducer wanted
Yes please send photo John. Thank you, Great Lakes Antique Phonograph George Vollema 9496 N Woodbridge Ave Bitely MI 49309 231-745-7175 victr...@triton.net www.victroladoctor.com On 6/5/2016 7:54 PM, John Robles via Phono-L wrote: > Hello > > I am looking for a reproducer for a portable Mikky Phone. This is a > small metal-boxed phonograph made in Japan, something on the order of > a Cameraphone. I can supply a pic of the reproducer if needed. It is > all nockel with a brown metal circular piece on the fron that says > Mikky Phone, > > Thanks > > John Robles > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://go.sparkpostmail.com/f/a/j99t7taz-CEwxSSlQVEXfg~~/AABF2wA~/RgRZNqt3P0EIAOuqH5E9OAIXWAQAWQZzaGFyZWRgBnNoYXJlZEIKAAP2d1VXCmosLlIYYXJjaGl2ZUBtYWlsLWFyY2hpdmUuY29tCVEEAEQSaHR0cDovL3Bob25vLWwub3JnRwJ7fQ~~ > Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] phonophan
Nope! - George -Original Message- From: Rob via Phono-L <phono-l@oldcrank.org> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Cc: Rob <zonophone2...@aol.com> Sent: Sat, Mar 5, 2016 12:14 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] phonophan Tim can you feel the love How about it george Any comments Sent from my iPhone On Mar 5, 2016, at 11:40 AM, Paul Christenzen via Phono-L <phono-l@oldcrank.org> wrote: He'd have to be! On Mar 5, 2016, at 11:10 AM, Tim Fabrizio via Phono-L <phono-l@oldcrank.org>wrote: Tim "smarter than he looks" Fabrizio ___ Phono-L mailing list http://spgo1.io/f/a/paW27BurBCFar5Gc_aUNGQ~~/AABF2wA~/RgRYvEwOP0EIAGttBdoJe3tCCgABjhjbVuAqboBSGGFyY2hpdmVAbWFpbC1hcmNoaXZlLmNvbQlRBABEEmh0dHA6Ly9waG9uby1sLm9yZ0cCe30X Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://spgo1.io/f/a/paW27BurBCFar5Gc_aUNGQ~~/AABF2wA~/RgRYvEwOP0EIAGttBdoJe3tCCgABjhjbVuAqboBSGGFyY2hpdmVAbWFpbC1hcmNoaXZlLmNvbQlRBABEEmh0dHA6Ly9waG9uby1sLm9yZ0cCe30X Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Tewksbury Repeater
If anyone is interested in obtaining an excellent reproduction of a Tewksbury Repeater for completing a coin-operated Edison Phonograph, the opportunity is here. The Tewksbury (or Kansas) repeater was found in coin-operated phonographs using an Edison upper works (primarily the Class M mechanism) for over a decade (ca. 1894 - ca. 1905). See page 38 of Discovering Antique Phonographs for an early example of an Edison coin-op using this repeater from approx. 1894/95. On page 52 of the same book is an 1896/97 example from the Empire State Phonograph Company. Finally, on page 81 of A World of Antique Phonographs you can see a 1905 example of this repeater being used in a British coin-op. When the cabinets of these rare coin-operated phonographs turn up, they are almost invariably missing the Tewksbury Repeater. You might think that the chances of finding part of one of these machines is virtually nil, so why get a repeater? That's what I thought too...until one of these incomplete machines popped up less than an hour from my home! Luckily for me, a kind collector (and friend) offered to lend out his rare original Tewksbury Repeater for the purposes of having a few exact duplicates crafted from it. The original is now in the hands of one of the most talented machinists/craftsmen in our hobby and he is preparing to begin work on them. The estimate per unit right now is between $1500 - 2000, but the more we have fabricated, the price will go down. If you have any interest in having one of these repeaters on hand, either for your own use or for future speculation, the time is now. For photos of an original Tewksbury Repeater, see this thread on the Talking Machine Forum: http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=9t=14080 By the way, I'm not looking to make any profit on this project beyond economies of scale. We will all be paying the same price for these, and as of today only two collectors have committed to purchasing a copy, so the production will be small. After this group is built, the chances of obtaining one will be virtually impossible. I know - - I tried for over a year to get a copy made. Please let me know if you're interested, and the sooner the better! Thanks and best wishes to all, George Paul ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Tewksbury Repeater
If anyone is interested in obtaining an excellent reproduction of a Tewksbury Repeater for completing a coin-operated Edison Phonograph, the opportunity is here. The Tewksbury (or Kansas) repeater was found in coin-operated phonographs using an Edison upper works (primarily the Class M mechanism) for over a decade (ca. 1894 - ca. 1905). See page 38 of Discovering Antique Phonographs for an early example of an Edison coin-op using this repeater from approx. 1894/95. On page 52 of the same book is an 1896/97 example from the Empire State Phonograph Company. Finally, on page 81 of A World of Antique Phonographs you can see a 1905 example of this repeater being used in a British coin-op. When the cabinets of these rare coin-operated phonographs turn up, they are almost invariably missing the Tewksbury Repeater. You might think that the chances of finding part of one of these machines is virtually nil, so why get a repeater? That's what I thought too...until one of these incomplete machines popped up less than an hour from my home! Luckily for me, a kind collector (and friend) offered to lend out his rare original Tewksbury Repeater for the purposes of having a few exact duplicates crafted from it. The original is now in the hands of one of the most talented machinists/craftsmen in our hobby and he is preparing to begin work on them. The estimate per unit right now is between $1500 - 2000, but the more we have fabricated, the price will go down. If you have any interest in having one of these repeaters on hand, either for your own use or for future speculation, the time is now. For photos of an original Tewksbury Repeater, see this thread on the Talking Machine Forum: http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=9t=14080 By the way, I'm not looking to make any profit on this project beyond economies of scale. We will all be paying the same price for these, and as of today only two collectors have committed to purchasing a copy, so the production will be small. After this group is built, the chances of obtaining one will be virtually impossible. I know - - I tried for over a year to get a copy made. Please let me know if you're interested, and the sooner the better! Thanks and best wishes to all, George Paul ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Tewksbury Repeaters
If anyone is interested in obtaining an excellent reproduction of a Tewksbury Repeater for completing a coin-operated Edison Phonograph, the opportunity is here. The Tewksbury (or Kansas) repeater was found in coin-operated phonographs using an Edison upper works (primarily the Class M mechanism) for over a decade (ca. 1894 - ca. 1905). See page 38 of Discovering Antique Phonographs for an early example of an Edison coin-op using this repeater from approx. 1894/95. On page 52 of the same book is an 1896/97 example from the Empire State Phonograph Company. Finally, on page 81 of A World of Antique Phonographs you can see a 1905 example of this repeater being used in a British coin-op. When the cabinets of these rare coin-operated phonographs turn up, they are almost invariably missing the Tewksbury Repeater. You might think that the chances of finding part of one of these machines is virtually nil, so why get a repeater? That's what I thought too...until one of these incomplete machines popped up less than an hour from my home! Luckily for me, a kind collector (and friend) offered to lend out his rare original Tewksbury Repeater for the purposes of having a few exact duplicates crafted from it. The original is now in the hands of one of the most talented machinists/craftsmen in our hobby and he is preparing to begin work on them. The estimate per unit right now is between $1500 - 2000, but the more we have fabricated, the price will go down. If you have any interest in having one of these repeaters on hand, either for your own use or for future speculation, the time is now. For photos of an original Tewksbury Repeater, see this thread on the Talking Machine Forum: http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=9t=14080 By the way, I'm not looking to make any profit on this project beyond economies of scale. We will all be paying the same price for these, and as of today only two collectors have committed to purchasing a copy, so the production will be small. After this group is built, the chances of obtaining one will be virtually impossible. I know - - I tried for over a year to get a copy made. Please let me know if you're interested, and the sooner the better! Thanks and best wishes to all, George Paul ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic vs. Electric?
Well, I for one am a HUGE fan of the 8-9. The sound is excellent, the machine has a great look to it (and beautifully blends in with my Arts Crafts furniture), and it's not so big as to take over the room. They don't have that 1920s walnut dining room look to them which looks out of place anywhere besides a 1920s movie set. I see them offered for around $800-1,500 at Union, but usually quite a bit less at auction. Also, they have a metal horn like the English Re-Entrant models which some believe gives a better sound. Besides, Victor told it's dealers that they would appeal to Americans of foreign extraction and owners of lunch rooms and confectioner shops so I guess my Grandfather George Dimpapas and my Grandfather Apostolos Glastris would have had them in their respective diners and candy shops in the 1920s. -Original Message- From: Richard Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 6:03 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Orthophonic vs. Electric? I've never owned an orthophonic machine, but have recently been offered the chance to buy one (see other post), and I'm wondering if I should. My main concern has been one of sound quality; I've always suspected that acoustic records sound better on older, acoustic machines, and orthophonic/electric records sound best on electric machines. But this opportunity has me wondering: How do orthophonic/electric records sound when played on an orthophonic machine sound compared to when they're played on an electric machine (say, from the late 1920's or early 1930's)? All opinions are welcome, but what I'm really looking for is a comparison -- not just better or worse, but how they're different. And how do older acoustic records sound on an orthophonic machine? (In my humble opinion, they don't sound all that great on an electrical machine.) Finally, if I were to add one orthophonic machine to my collection someday, which one would you recommend if my top consideration is sound q uality? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] NEW ITEMS FOR SALE
Hey Shawn, If you get a chance and don't sell it first, could you shoot me a photo of the crane? Thanks, George -Original Message- From: mshawnorou...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:58 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] NEW ITEMS FOR SALE EDISON MODEL H: A very nice Edison model H reproducer. This one retains most of its original green stain. These reproducers were stained Green to allow the owners to distinguish between the Edison H and the Edison C. This one plays wonderfully. I replaced the limit loop which was missing when I received it. The original jewel is nice on this one. It easily fits in and out of the carriage. This would be a nice reproducer to add to your Edison four minute machine. PRICE: $105.00. EDISON LONG CASE HOME BOTTOM CASE: This is the bottom only to an Edison Home Long Case model A. It has a very nice original decal and much better than average original finish. The bottom board has the common split observed in most Edison Home cases. This could be a nice upgrade for a case bottom that has been refinished or has a less than desirable decal. It is a nice case bottom. PRICE: $95.00 HAWTHORN AND SHEBLE CRANE. It is suitable and will work well on an Edison Home, Standard or Triumph. As well, it works on Columbia machines, certainly and A or an N. Being very adjustable, it will work with most smaller, as well as most larger horns (and all in between)This one is in as found condition and could use a little cleaning up. It will make a nice crane for someone who wants an all original example for their machine. PRICE: $165.00. Pictures available on request. Shipping and insurance only are additional. I will pay for the cost of a well packaged item. No PayPal, checks only. Please contact: mshawnorou...@gmail.com with interest. Michael Shawn O'Rourke 248 915 0954 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Wendell Moore's Passing
Wendell Moore 1921 – 2014 I am saddened to inform everyone of Wendell’s passing on Monday, 10 February 2014 at age 93. A long-time antique phonograph enthusiast, Wendell will be best remembered for his kindness, knowledge and re-publication of the “The Edison Phonograph Monthly”. Condolences may be addressed to: Mrs. Wendell (Jean) Moore 1499 Brandywine Circle, Unit 415 Fort Myers, FL 33919 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] New INDEX Now Accessible on the APS Website
For those who have been members over the past decade of the California Antique Phonograph Society and, later, the Antique Phonograph Society, you know what a resource of information is contained in your copies of The Sound Box and The Antique Phonograph. Now you may be happy to learn that we have developed an INDEX to all subjects that have appeared in all articles in those 40 issues. You can check this new resource on the APS website (www.antiquephono.org.) under Back Issues or here: http://www.antiquephono.org/back-issues ... honograph/ The Index is in the form of an Excel file, and will be updated periodically. Note that this Index doesn't simply list the article titles that have appeared over the years, but reflects any significant mention of companies, phonograph models, accessories, people, and events that have been referenced in those articles. No more must we rack our brains trying to remember where we read that obscure paragraph... We hope this Index will be another useful resource for the collecting community and, as always, we encourage any serious collectors who have not yet joined the APS to accept our cordial invitation to do so! Best to all, George P. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] New Articles on the Antique Phonograph Society Website
I'm not going to be making announcements every time we add something to the website, but I just wanted to let everyone know that there are two new articles on the APS website that we hope will be of interest to collectors. The first is just for fun: The Origins of the Antique Phonograph Society. It features sections on the formation and development of MAPS (Michigan Antique Phonograph Society) and CAPS (California Antique Phonograph Society); both of which were the genesis of the new Antique Phonograph Society. These sections were written by founding members of each organization, and include photos of participating collectors back in the 1980s, some of whom are no longer with us. The second article is Harold Braker's ground-breaking work, Victor/Victrola Motor Identification and Repair. First published over 20 years ago, it has reappeared in limited-distribution collector publications and has undergone some revisions over the years. With Mr. Braker's kind permission, the APS is proud to make this reference readily available to collectors around the world. We believe it will prove to be a helpful resource for a much wider audience. Both these articles can be readily accessed through the APS website: www.antiquephono.org. Simply click the Articles button on the toolbar, then All on the drop-down menu. While there, you might wish to join your friends and colleagues by becoming a member and receiving our journal, The Antique Phonograph. The Join Us button is also on the toolbar! George P. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] A New Year's Gift from The Antique Phonograph Society
Happy New Year, everyone! :) I'm happy to announce that, through the hard work and generosity of Mr. R.J. Wakeman, The Antique Phonograph Society has made available on our website www.antiquephono.org his entire (heretofore unpublished) 380-page book entitled, Brunswick Phonographs, Panatropes, and Records. Simply go to the Antique Phonograph Society website (http://www.antiquephono.org), click on the Articles header, then select Book Feature from the drop-down menu. Click on the cover image and the entire book will then download in a few moments. We are most grateful to Mr. Wakeman for his outstanding research and compilation on Brunswick - one of the major brands in the North America. We are also pleased and proud that Mr. Wakeman chose to make this significant resource available to collectors and sound historians through the Antique Phonograph Society. We think when you see Mr. Wakeman's book, you'll agree that this is the bible for Brunswick. We hope those interested in Brunswick Phonographs, Panatropes, and Records will enjoy the book, and we trust that it will serve as a valuable resource for decades to come. Watch the APS website for additional surprises over the next few weeks! :) We Wish a Very Happy, Healthy, and Prosperous New Year to the Phonograph Collecting Community from The Antique Phonograph Society. George Paul ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] A New Year's Gift from The Antique Phonograph Society
As of now, Mr. Wakeman informs me that there are no plans to publish the book in a hardbound edition. I too would rather have it in bound form, but I'm happy to have this work in ANY format! George P. -Original Message- From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, Dec 27, 2013 6:02 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] A New Year's Gift from The Antique Phonograph Society Will this book be published in a hardbound edition? I hope so. It will be a good book to have. Happy New Year to everyone, Harvey Kravitz On Friday, December 27, 2013 10:00 AM, George Paul gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: Happy New Year, everyone! :) I'm happy to announce that, through the hard work and generosity of Mr. R.J. Wakeman, The Antique Phonograph Society has made available on our website www.antiquephono.org his entire (heretofore unpublished) 380-page book entitled, Brunswick Phonographs, Panatropes, and Records. Simply go to the Antique Phonograph Society website (http://www.antiquephono.org), click on the Articles header, then select Book Feature from the drop-down menu. Click on the cover image and the entire book will then download in a few moments. We are most grateful to Mr. Wakeman for his outstanding research and compilation on Brunswick - one of the major brands in the North America. We are also pleased and proud that Mr. Wakeman chose to make this significant resource available to collectors and sound historians through the Antique Phonograph Society. We think when you see Mr. Wakeman's book, you'll agree that this is the bible for Brunswick. We hope those interested in Brunswick Phonographs, Panatropes, and Records will enjoy the book, and we trust that it will serve as a valuable resource for decades to come. Watch the APS website for additional surprises over the next few weeks! :) We Wish a Very Happy, Healthy, and Prosperous New Year to the Phonograph Collecting Community from The Antique Phonograph Society. George Paul ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Opera like cabinet for A1 mechanism
In addition to the cabinet, the stanchion that holds the reproducer (and the control rod) differs between the 1A and the Opera. I'm afraid your correspondent would pay several hundred dollars for a reproduction cabinet, then create a mechanism that never existed at the time, at significant expense and waste. Someday, another collector would have a heck of a time trying to put everything right again. You'd be doing the person (and the hobby) a favor by talking them out of this. Good luck and best regards, George P. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:09 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera like cabinet for A1 mechanism I realize that, the person I am asking for does not. Thanks for all the help. Steve Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 18:45:15 -0600 From: rich-m...@octoxol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera like cabinet for A1 mechanism This is not a trivial task and will be far from low cost. On 12/12/2013 06:24 PM, Steven Medved wrote: Hello, Does anyone know a person who could build a cabinet that would fit an A1 mechanism so they could have a 2/4 Opera? Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] New Antique Phonograph Society Website Now Online!
Jim, We received your comment on the Antique Phonograph Society website, and we appreciate it very much. Welcome aboard! Best, George Paul -Original Message- From: Jim Parks jimpark...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, Nov 12, 2013 12:41 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Antique Phonograph Society Website Now Online! I am an old geezer and collector who wrote a lengthy comment praising the group or person who put the wonderful presentation together and was unable to find a way to send it after 20 minutes of typing it out with 2 fingers. Perhaps that is why the note at the bottom says, O comments I am sorry that my praise for all the fine work that has already been done was lost. I don't have the computer skill to spend another 20 min redoing my message But I am glad to be a member and after 50 plus of collecting think that this will be a wonderful organization. Jim Parks On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:00 PM, David Dazer dda...@sbcglobal.net wrote: The Canadian Antique Phono Society has an online directory of members. A password is required for access. It would be fun to have a secret handshake, too! Just kidding about the handshake! Dave From: George Paul gpaul2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Antique Phonograph Society Website Now Online! Thanks, George V., for your nice feedback - - and to everyone who has responded positively. The website is a work in progress so all feedback, suggestions, and criticism is much appreciated. As to a membership directory, the Boards are considering options for this feature; however, security and privacy have become overarching concerns. Last year for example, an old printed MAPS Directory appeared on eBay. We intend to keep any such information under our control. To that end, we are considering a more secure approach to allow individual online directory reference in a restricted members only area of the website. We also need to think about vendor or repair listings, and will likely use some web-feature for this rather than in a directory, as we have in the past. We believe it's especially important for new folks who aren't yet members to have access to parts repair services before they damage their phonographs. The website should be an effective conduit for those connections. That's also in the near future. Please keep your ideas coming, and happy collecting - - George Paul -Original Message- From: George victr...@triton.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:23 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Antique Phonograph Society Website Now Online! Beautiful web site! Thank you to everyone involved in making this happen and building the site. Has there been any thought yet to a directory of members and maybe a directory of various suppliers and repair people. As a repairman I sometime get asked if I know of anyone near a person that could help them with something simple instead of having to pack and send out the whole unit. Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph 9496 N Woodbridge Ave Bitely MI 49309 231-745-7175 victr...@triton.net http://www.victroladoctor.com/ - Original Message - From: George Paul To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:46 PM Subject: [Phono-L] New Antique Phonograph Society Website Now Online! As part of the merger of MAPS and APS, the new website for the Antique Phonograph Society is now operational. Our intent is to make the website a valuable resource for beginning, intermediate, and advanced collectors. To that end, there are presently six introductory articles on identifying antique phonographs, proper operation, a glossary of terminology, and the collecting of antique phonographs. More are on the way, plus articles for intermediate and advanced collectors. In addition, back issues of The Sound Box (2004 through 2011) are now available at the click of a button. Some future events are announced, plus a report of a regional groups's recent meeting. And the Online Shop currently offers 4 different DVDs of interest to collectors. There are also pages for quick and easy joining/renewals, donations (which have helped make this website a reality), and for contacting us. The new website is only a starting point; the result of many, many hours of work by people around the world. Because we believe that most beginning collectors will find us through the Internet, we have front-loaded our initial Articles offerings for maximum value to novices. Expect to see additional features in the weeks to come, including articles of interest to intermediate and advanced collectors, some outstanding book-length resources unavailable anywhere else, and videos. We at the Antique
[Phono-L] New Antique Phonograph Society Website Now Online!
As part of the merger of MAPS and APS, the new website for the Antique Phonograph Society is now operational. Our intent is to make the website a valuable resource for beginning, intermediate, and advanced collectors. To that end, there are presently six introductory articles on identifying antique phonographs, proper operation, a glossary of terminology, and the collecting of antique phonographs. More are on the way, plus articles for intermediate and advanced collectors. In addition, back issues of The Sound Box (2004 through 2011) are now available at the click of a button. Some future events are announced, plus a report of a regional groups's recent meeting. And the Online Shop currently offers 4 different DVDs of interest to collectors. There are also pages for quick and easy joining/renewals, donations (which have helped make this website a reality), and for contacting us. The new website is only a starting point; the result of many, many hours of work by people around the world. Because we believe that most beginning collectors will find us through the Internet, we have front-loaded our initial Articles offerings for maximum value to novices. Expect to see additional features in the weeks to come, including articles of interest to intermediate and advanced collectors, some outstanding book-length resources unavailable anywhere else, and videos. We at the Antique Phonograph Society are pleased with our new beginning, and we are quite eager to add new and exciting features in the near future. We invite everyone to visit the website at: www.antiquephono.org We also encourage our members to offer suggestions for future additions to the website, and of course to RENEW! Finally, I'd like to recognize the excellent work of both Boards of Directors (MAPS and APS) for their efforts in developing the new website; to the Xakbox team who performed the programming and responded to our endless requests for modifications; and to our donors, whose generosity enabled the plan to become reality in a remarkably short time. As Rod Pickett and I have stated before, we think our hobby is on the brink of a new era. Best regards to all, George Paul ://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] New Antique Phonograph Society Website Now Online!
Beautiful web site! Thank you to everyone involved in making this happen and building the site. Has there been any thought yet to a directory of members and maybe a directory of various suppliers and repair people. As a repairman I sometime get asked if I know of anyone near a person that could help them with something simple instead of having to pack and send out the whole unit. Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph 9496 N Woodbridge Ave Bitely MI 49309 231-745-7175 victr...@triton.net www.victroladoctor.com - Original Message - From: George Paul To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:46 PM Subject: [Phono-L] New Antique Phonograph Society Website Now Online! As part of the merger of MAPS and APS, the new website for the Antique Phonograph Society is now operational. Our intent is to make the website a valuable resource for beginning, intermediate, and advanced collectors. To that end, there are presently six introductory articles on identifying antique phonographs, proper operation, a glossary of terminology, and the collecting of antique phonographs. More are on the way, plus articles for intermediate and advanced collectors. In addition, back issues of The Sound Box (2004 through 2011) are now available at the click of a button. Some future events are announced, plus a report of a regional groups's recent meeting. And the Online Shop currently offers 4 different DVDs of interest to collectors. There are also pages for quick and easy joining/renewals, donations (which have helped make this website a reality), and for contacting us. The new website is only a starting point; the result of many, many hours of work by people around the world. Because we believe that most beginning collectors will find us through the Internet, we have front-loaded our initial Articles offerings for maximum value to novices. Expect to see additional features in the weeks to come, including articles of interest to intermediate and advanced collectors, some outstanding book-length resources unavailable anywhere else, and videos. We at the Antique Phonograph Society are pleased with our new beginning, and we are quite eager to add new and exciting features in the near future. We invite everyone to visit the website at: www.antiquephono.org We also encourage our members to offer suggestions for future additions to the website, and of course to RENEW! Finally, I'd like to recognize the excellent work of both Boards of Directors (MAPS and APS) for their efforts in developing the new website; to the Xakbox team who performed the programming and responded to our endless requests for modifications; and to our donors, whose generosity enabled the plan to become reality in a remarkably short time. As Rod Pickett and I have stated before, we think our hobby is on the brink of a new era. Best regards to all, George Paul ://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] New Antique Phonograph Society Website Now Online!
Thanks, George V., for your nice feedback - - and to everyone who has responded positively. The website is a work in progress so all feedback, suggestions, and criticism is much appreciated. As to a membership directory, the Boards are considering options for this feature; however, security and privacy have become overarching concerns. Last year for example, an old printed MAPS Directory appeared on eBay. We intend to keep any such information under our control. To that end, we are considering a more secure approach to allow individual online directory reference in a restricted members only area of the website. We also need to think about vendor or repair listings, and will likely use some web-feature for this rather than in a directory, as we have in the past. We believe it's especially important for new folks who aren't yet members to have access to parts repair services before they damage their phonographs. The website should be an effective conduit for those connections. That's also in the near future. Please keep your ideas coming, and happy collecting - - George Paul -Original Message- From: George victr...@triton.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:23 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Antique Phonograph Society Website Now Online! Beautiful web site! Thank you to everyone involved in making this happen and building the site. Has there been any thought yet to a directory of members and maybe a directory of various suppliers and repair people. As a repairman I sometime get asked if I know of anyone near a person that could help them with something simple instead of having to pack and send out the whole unit. Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph 9496 N Woodbridge Ave Bitely MI 49309 231-745-7175 victr...@triton.net www.victroladoctor.com - Original Message - From: George Paul To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:46 PM Subject: [Phono-L] New Antique Phonograph Society Website Now Online! As part of the merger of MAPS and APS, the new website for the Antique Phonograph Society is now operational. Our intent is to make the website a valuable resource for beginning, intermediate, and advanced collectors. To that end, there are presently six introductory articles on identifying antique phonographs, proper operation, a glossary of terminology, and the collecting of antique phonographs. More are on the way, plus articles for intermediate and advanced collectors. In addition, back issues of The Sound Box (2004 through 2011) are now available at the click of a button. Some future events are announced, plus a report of a regional groups's recent meeting. And the Online Shop currently offers 4 different DVDs of interest to collectors. There are also pages for quick and easy joining/renewals, donations (which have helped make this website a reality), and for contacting us. The new website is only a starting point; the result of many, many hours of work by people around the world. Because we believe that most beginning collectors will find us through the Internet, we have front-loaded our initial Articles offerings for maximum value to novices. Expect to see additional features in the weeks to come, including articles of interest to intermediate and advanced collectors, some outstanding book-length resources unavailable anywhere else, and videos. We at the Antique Phonograph Society are pleased with our new beginning, and we are quite eager to add new and exciting features in the near future. We invite everyone to visit the website at: www.antiquephono.org We also encourage our members to offer suggestions for future additions to the website, and of course to RENEW! Finally, I'd like to recognize the excellent work of both Boards of Directors (MAPS and APS) for their efforts in developing the new website; to the Xakbox team who performed the programming and responded to our endless requests for modifications; and to our donors, whose generosity enabled the plan to become reality in a remarkably short time. As Rod Pickett and I have stated before, we think our hobby is on the brink of a new era. Best regards to all, George Paul ://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Grafonola 150E
John Can you email me pictures of the elbow pieces? Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph 9496 N Woodbridge Ave Bitely MI 49309 231-745-7175 victr...@triton.net www.victroladoctor.com - Original Message - From: john coffman To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 3:14 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Grafonola 150E Hello again,I no longer need to figure out how to free up the elbow as it broke apart in the removal attempt.If any one has an early tone arm elbow for sale please contact me.Thanks,John ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Fw: Amb 1A
Thank you to everyone that helped with pictures and info. I got the pictures I needed last night and today completed repairs. I'm still getting offers to help this evening, thank you everyone. George - Original Message - From: George To: Phono-L Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 4:26 PM Subject: Amb 1A I have a 1A in the shop. The stop/start does not work and it appears someone did some earlier modifications to the on/off lever and maybe more. Is there a chance someone could remove the gear cover closest to the mandrel and get a clear picture down inside of there? Especially the little dog/cam? I know this will not be easy, but any help would be appreciated. I do not have anything in stock to compare this one too and can not remeber when I last worked on one. Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph 9496 N Woodbridge Ave Bitely MI 49309 231-745-7175 victr...@triton.net www.victroladoctor.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Amb 1A
I have a 1A in the shop. The stop/start does not work and it appears someone did some earlier modifications to the on/off lever and maybe more. Is there a chance someone could remove the gear cover closest to the mandrel and get a clear picture down inside of there? Especially the little dog/cam? I know this will not be easy, but any help would be appreciated. I do not have anything in stock to compare this one too and can not remeber when I last worked on one. Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph 9496 N Woodbridge Ave Bitely MI 49309 231-745-7175 victr...@triton.net www.victroladoctor.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] New Antique Phonograph Society Announcement
Thanks to the hard-working folks on the MAPS and APS Boards, we can now offer a 2014 APS Membership Application here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4204650/dues2014.pdf Just print it out and mail it to the address on the form, and you'll be all set for the new year. In another month or so, this form will be on the new website, and your application can be completed and paid for online. Best to all, George P. -Original Message- From: George Paul gpaul2...@aol.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Oct 6, 2013 9:34 pm Subject: [Phono-L] New Antique Phonograph Society Announcement As you may have heard, about six weeks ago the memberships of The Antique Phonograph Society and the Michigan Antique Phonograph Society voted 98.5% in favor of merging the two organizations. The formal merger is projected for January 1, 2014. For the first year, the new Society will be governed by the combined Boards of the current organizations. The new organization,The Antique Phonograph Society, will be publishing a quarterly journal (The Antique Phonograph) which will be anexpanded combination of the existing APS journal of the same name and the MAPS publication, In the Groove. Rather than waiting for the new year, we will mail the first combined journal to all members of the APS and MAPS in November (although the masthead date will be December). Enclosed with The Antique Phonograph will be a 2014 membership application for the merged Antique Phonograph Society. (Memberships will be on a calendar-year basis.) We hope all members of MAPS and APS will like what they see in The Antique Phonograph and sign up for 2014. Watch for the newjournal in November! George Paul President, Antique Phonograph Society ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] New Antique Phonograph Society Announcement
As you may have heard, aboutsix weeks ago the memberships of The Antique Phonograph Society and theMichigan Antique Phonograph Society voted 98.5% in favor of merging the twoorganizations. The formal merger isprojected for January 1, 2014. For thefirst year, the new Society will be governed by the combined Boards of thecurrent organizations. The new organization,The Antique Phonograph Society, will be publishing a quarterly journal (The Antique Phonograph) which will be anexpanded combination of the existing APS journal of the same name and the MAPSpublication, In the Groove. Rather than waiting for the new year, we willmail the first combined journal to all members of the APS and MAPS in November(although the masthead date will be December). Enclosed with The Antique Phonograph will be a 2014 membership application for the merged Antique Phonograph Society. (Memberships will be on a calendar-yearbasis.) We hope all members of MAPS andAPS will like what they see in TheAntique Phonograph and sign up for 2014. Watch for the newjournal in November! George Paul President, AntiquePhonograph Society ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742
Well, I don't really swear by stopping in shops. I usually swear as I'm leaving the shops empty-handed. Before I retired, my work involved almost-daily travel to ten different counties of our state. For the last 10 years or so of my work life, I took to eating while I drove, and invested my lunch hour in antique shopping. Despite the fond memories of what I found, I recall that my estimate was 1 find for every 25 stops. But I was already driving by those shops, so there was no harm in stopping. Nothing ventured... However, I've been retired for over 4 years now, and guess how many times I've made a special trip to go searching through antique shops that are out-of-town? None. Not once. I still stop in antique shops when I'm passing by, but I don't make special trips. It's just not worth the time and gas. As my esteemed colleague wrote, antique shops are not what they used to be. I'm fortunate that I live within 1/2 mile of THREE antique shops. I know the proprietors well, and they call me when they have something they think I'd like. And I do stop at shops if I'm driving by anyway... George P. -Original Message- From: Tim Fabrizio phonop...@aol.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Aug 18, 2013 10:30 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 From my own experience, stopping in antique shops can be more depressing than fruitful. In fact, I've pretty much given up, otherwise I'd have to take mega-doses of anti-depressants. The last time I actually found something in an antique shop was years, possibly decades ago. Of course, there are always the incidents such as John related which will fill the rest of us with resolve to stop at every antique shop, waiting for that 742 to appear -- but I prefer to enjoy my mental health and not trudge through aisles of discarded garage-sale glassware. I know that I may sound like a snob -- but in fact I'm too strongly affected by memory of what antique shops used to be in the distant past. What many seem to be now are repositories for what DIDN'T sell on eBay. Case in point --- My wife and I were visiting friends in coastal Maine, supposedly a good antiquing area. I was bored, so arranged with a pal to make a circuit of the antique shops in the area. Spent all day, and even attended a yearly antique show that was being held in a school gym. Many, many group shops, some individuals, but at least 20 shops were seen. The result --- ZILCH. Here's what I saw--- Gem Roller Organ (doesn't count, not a phonograph) Rollmonica (ditto) VV XI VV IX Run-of-the-mill Brunswick Diamond Disc C150 Some beat-up Diamond Discs Crapophone Box that once held a Jewel Phonoparts attachment So, I suppose the GOOD news is, me not stopping at antique shops means that everybody else gets all the good stuff I will be missing. I should say, in fairness, that my esteemed colleague Mr. Paul swears by stopping in shops and has found untold bounty in them. I guess somebody up there likes him! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio. -Original Message- From: bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Aug 18, 2013 9:12 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 I have had that happen as well, I think many of us have. You kept driving by the antique shop and something was trying to entice you in, but you didn't act on it, and then you found out something really special was there, but someone else ended up with it because you didn't stop when you should have. It is a sick feeling that does stay with you, especially every time you pass the shop again and again. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:38:40 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 You know what the worst thing is about this? He is from Orange County, which is a couple of hours away, but he found it in a shop ten miles from my house. A shop I have never been to, but meant to go to on Friday! I would have had that machine if I had only gone in there when I meant to!!! Makes me sick... John From: Tim Fabrizio phonop...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Well, all those Herzogs for cylinder machines used an internal horn, though few seem to have retained them. I like Ken's idea about replicating them! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Aug 17, 2013 9:21 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Here is a pic, sorry, forgot the link! http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Herzog%20742 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Last alive to record an acoustical DD?
To describe the process of recording. What did the room look like? How long did it take? That kind of thing. I think I have that disc. -Original Message- From: Ron L'Herault Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 6:43 PM To: '78-L Mail List' ; 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: [Phono-L] Last alive to record an acoustical DD? If all goes according to plan, tomorrow I will meet a 104 year old gentleman who was part of the Drury High School Band which cut a Diamond Disc in 1924. Am I correct in assuming that he may be the last person alive to record an acoustic Edison disk? If you had the chance, what would you ask him? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Vic part
I have an original adapter that may work. Contact me off list for details please. Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph Newaygo MI 49337-8556 victr...@triton.net www.victroladoctor.com - Original Message - From: ger To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 7:50 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Vic part I have a Vic ! phonograph, but a Vic II horn. Does anyone have a connector, or know where I can get a connector for the Vic II horn, please? The bases seem the same, but the horns themselves, where they connect look to be a different diameter. (I’m looking at the Reiss book pg.164-165) Thanks ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phonoscope and Talking Machine World on line
Thanks Steve..great info. -Original Message- From: srsel...@aol.com Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 8:43 AM To: Phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Phonoscope and Talking Machine World on line Two more publications on line! _The Phonoscope : Hunting, Russell, [from old catalog] ed : Free Download Streaming : Internet Archive_ (http://archive.org/details/phonoscope13hunt) _Talking Machine World : Bill, Edward Lyman, 1862-1916 : Free Download Streaming : Internet Archive_ (http://archive.org/details/talkingmachinewo24bill) Thanks to a poster on 78-L Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Asbestos in Edison records
Don't believe everything you read! George P. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, May 15, 2013 5:33 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Asbestos in Edison records I have read that the blue Amberol plaster of Paris has asbestos. Did the Diamond Discs as well? Normally this would not cause any concern, but people that ream blue Amberols should be careful. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Asbestos in Edison records
Well, maybe one of them will speak up too! George P. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, May 15, 2013 7:27 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Asbestos in Edison records I don't so I always appreciate credible correctors. Steve To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: gpaul2...@aol.com Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 17:42:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Asbestos in Edison records Don't believe everything you read! George P. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, May 15, 2013 5:33 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Asbestos in Edison records I have read that the blue Amberol plaster of Paris has asbestos. Did the Diamond Discs as well? Normally this would not cause any concern, but people that ream blue Amberols should be careful. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phonographs for Sale
Very well said Dave. Wayne is one of the greatest and I'm sure we all wish him well in both his health issues and his other interests. Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph - Original Message - From: David Dazer To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phonographs for Sale Dear Wayne, I want to thank you publicly for all you have done for our hobby. Anyone who knows you understands what a kind and generous person you are, and I wish you great success in liquidating your collection. I'll keep your health issues in my prayers, too. Sincerely, Dave Dazer From: wayne holznagel ethanu...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, May 12, 2013 3:54:05 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Phonographs for Sale I am interested in selling my phonograph collection. I would prefer to sell all to one person as I simply cannot stand to ship things . . . too much time and stress. I live on I90 in east/central South Dakota. Perfect for someone on the way to Union. I have around 36 phonographs. Most are pretty run of the mill rear mount disc, cylinder, etc. Best, in my opinion, is a Col BS, Victor V with oak speartip horn, early Victor III, a Triumph with outstanding pin striping (not sure if I spelled that right), two replica tinfoils - Ray Phillips Hardy and Paul G (don't remember his last name but I think he is from PA area) Gillette . . . along with quite a bit of tinfoil sold several years ago by a well known collector - and I don't think it is available any more, along with an assortment of parts and horns. A few phonographs are uprights but doubt anyone would be that interested in them although there is a restorable Puritan Bombay. I may even be interested in parting with my paper ephemera including about 200 original/antique phonograph related photos - most are cabinet card style but there are some postcards and others, an original phonograph demonstration handout from the 1880s or 90s, several original phonograph (Valley Forge, etc) catalogs, letters from dealers, etc. You would really need to look through the items when the phonographs are picked up to see if you are interested in the paper items. In the past I've posted emails to sell parts of my collections. My descriptions are always rather vague at first. But if someone is interested then I've sold the items. In fact I've always sold what I've mentioned. The last time was 2 years ago when I sold some parts. Sold some phonographs about 7 1/2 years ago. I don't like selling but once I am committed to a sale I follow through. I don't think anyone has been disappointed in what they've bought from me in the past. My reasons for selling are pretty simple. Lingering health issues from three heart procedures in 2 1/2 yrs. Also I've become interested in other things. My pc is a piece of crap so it is pretty difficult to send photos. My daughter is visiting from out of state next weekend and I am sure she can send some photos through her cell. (I don't have one.) I am busy the next few days so will not respond to any emails until at least Tuesday night. I will not take any phone calls until then either. I want to be able to send the same email to anyone interested. The email will also include my telephone info if someone wants it. After that point I will respond to people as they send me emails. I will email one person at a time and will not play one person off against another. If no one is interested in the entire collection of machines I will consider selling the machines separately or consigning to an auction house like Stantons. For those of you concerned about who I am or want to make sure that I exist. My name is Wayne Holznagel. You should be able to google me. I've been around a while so I'm a known collector. EMAILS SHOULD BE SENT OFF LIST PLEASE. :) Wayne H Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is not to stop questioning. --Albert Einstein ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] The Death of Amberola III SN304
There's still hope. So far, all the parts to Amberola III No.304 have been purchased by the same collector who is attempting to keep the machine together. This collector already has an Amberola III and his actions are solely for the preservation of this particular example. He told me that, if he can acquire all the parts and reassemble it, the machine may be available for another collector, or he might simply donate the machine to a museum or other institution that will preserve it. I'm happy to say that at least one other collector has expressed interest in buying No.304, so this risk he is running may turn out well for all involved. I would encourage supporting this effort buy abstaining from bidding on the remaining parts to No.304. With a little luck, this machine should be saved later on today. Feels like an animal rescue...! Best to all, George P. -Original Message- From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Mar 24, 2013 12:00 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] The Death of Amberola III SN304 Well now some of the bits have sold. So uncool to break up a perfectly good machine like that. I contacted him further and politely suggested he reconsider, and he responded: IF SOMEONE WINS ALL THE AUCTIONS I HAVE ON THIS GRAMOPHONE. THEY WILL GET THE COMPLETE GRAMOPHONE. I WILL NOT PART IT OUT - peachland250 Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Mar 21, 2013, at 11:20 PM, Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com wrote: I contacted the seller today, who is in a relatively remote part of British Columbia, to ask why. The response was that it's easier to ship small parts. Jerk. Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Mar 21, 2013, at 10:55 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: It is with great sadness that I note the death of a fine and rare example of an Amberola III. The III wasn't even sick. It played until the bitter end. It's death came at the hands of someone on eBay who decided to part it out. The cabinet, rear inspection door, motor, Diamond A Reproducer, and other parts were drawn and quartered because someone figured they would sell for more than the whole machine. I believe only about 1,200 of these machines were made. They are only rarely found in such nice condition as 304 was. We Edison fanatics will miss her. Best wishes to a very quiet list, Al -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com; phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Mar 21, 2013 6:15 pm Subject: [Phono-L] For sale square box Combination attachment for Edison Standard Phonograph Model B $27.00 Hello, I have photos, $27.00 includes priority mail shipping in a 7x7x6 box. The box is excellent, it does show age the label is brown but all there. It has the smaller box cemented inside with the holder for the Model H reproducer. I have photos if anyone is interested. I paid $20 or $25 for it years ago, with shipping I will about break even. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] The Death of Amberola III SN304
I'm happy to report that all the constituent parts of Amberola III No.304 (except the horn) have been purchased by a preservation-minded collector. It's a pity about the horn, but I'm hoping one of us can find an original to complete the machine. Does anyone have a spare Amberola III horn in any condition? Best to all, George P. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] The Death of Amberola III SN304
Or maybe we can find the buyer and ask him to pass it on to the buyer of the rest of the machine. -Original Message- From: George Paul Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 3:35 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] The Death of Amberola III SN304 I'm happy to report that all the constituent parts of Amberola III No.304 (except the horn) have been purchased by a preservation-minded collector. It's a pity about the horn, but I'm hoping one of us can find an original to complete the machine. Does anyone have a spare Amberola III horn in any condition? Best to all, George P. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Attn: Steve Medved, re: original hinge block
Amen. Steve does so much for our hobby so please don't try to embarrass him like that here. -Original Message- From: Paul Christenzen Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:11 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Attn: Steve Medved, re: original hinge block ONE WEEK... come on - Steve's the most honest, reliableand able guy I've met in 40 years of collecting - sheesh...give the guy a chance to breathe before you try to embarrass him!! chuck richards wrote: This is a completely on topic post. Sorry for previously mis-posting in Amberola lll topic about this. Steve Medved: I need for you to honor your agreement to ship to me one original hinge block for the reworked Edison model H top. You made this agreement with me one week ago, and have not shown any signs so far of honoring it as of yet. There is still time to fix all of this and to make it right. I will be waiting. Apologies to the forum for using it this way. I wanted one completely properly titled, properly on-topic post about this. Chuck Richards http://www.richardslaboratories.com $4.95/mo. National Dialup, Anti-Spam, Anti-Virus, 5mb personal web space. 5x faster dialup for only $9.95/mo. No contracts, No fees, No Kidding! See http://www.All2Easy.net for more details! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Wanted: Soft Tone Tungs-Tone Needles; Pfanstiehl Dollar Needle
Here are two lists of available inventory. Not sure you'll find anything from your wish list though. Any unused tungstone needles are hard to come by today. Here is what I have in stock at the moment: 4 count card of Fletcher All Tone at $24.95 (1 left), Sonora --- 5 count packages in loud tone (1 pk) at full @$33.95 or 2 needles left @ $13.95; med 3 needles left $20.95; soft 2 needles left $13.95 Following are all in VV 8 ct. tins in either red or green color; some needles, as noted, may have been slightly used, but still have plenty of tip left: 8 used maybe? @ $28.95; 1 unused/3 used @ $12.50, 1 tin Full tone w/2 new needles $16.95, Extra Full tone 8 total (6 NOS 2-maybe) $56.95. Shipping extra. Here is a list of various needles. 200 Extra Talking Machine Needles Natural Voice red, black and white tin w/ dogs. NOS sealed - $12.95 ea. Boye Soft tone Perfect point 50 per pack - $6.95 Boye Loud tone, Perfect point steel 5 packs NOS, but some with rust. $10.00 for all. BryOPhonic High Nickel-plated steel 100 per pack Loud or medium $7.95 per pk Duotone Transcription Needles - red white, 12 per sealed pk - $5.00. Fletcher - 4 to a card-multiplay like the tungstone above. these also can control the volume by turning the needle. Directions on card - $24.95 per card. Fideltone - 25 per pack 12 or more plays ea.- $6.95 ea Goldentone Soloists-red white envelope (3 to 5 plays per needle) 50 per sealed pack - $4.95 ea. Capitol CarbroSteel, 25 per pack, 15 plays ea., sealed - $4.95 Columbia Chromium - 5 of 6 needles left - $8.75 Cheney medium light tone packs - $7.95 ea. Hall Fiber Needles green white, 50 per pack, full put packs are torn and badly damaged - $12.50 ea. Hall--same as above, but sealed and nice condition - $16.50 ea. Emerson Spearpoint - white w/blk printing, looks like 5 per pk., up to 20 plays ea., sealed - $12.50 Emerson Long Life Miracle Tone 1500 plays per - tipped w/precious metals-1 per red and yellow card - $9.95 Brunswick-brown, red black, 100 Loud Tone, sealed - $6.95 ea. or $5.95 full w/old tape Brunswick-turquoise,red black, 100 Medium Tone, sealed - $20.00 these are super clean and fresh, came from a sealed box. Sonora Semi-Permanent Silvered Needles - light blue w/dark blue printing, 5 per pack, loud tone, full - $33.95 Super Meritone - blue white (plays 12+ per needle) 25 per pk, sealed - $4.95. Recoton Concerto Transcription, red, white blue, 10 per pk., 12+ plays per, sealed - $10.00 Truetone for Electrically Recorded Records - card board box (Ex. Loud-green box and Loud-red box), 50 needles per box, 10 plays per needle, sealed - $4.75 ea. - Sold Wall-Kane-loud or extra loud, 50 per box, guaranteed to play 10 Records on any phonograph- $9.95 per box .Kiddy Phonograph Needles-says long play needle for acoustic or electrically amplified for the small fry - one per card, NOS - $9.95 ea. Manhattan-All Purpose Phono Needle-Genuine Osmium Alloy Tip- Plays all speed-1 per red card - $6.95 ea. Fidelitone DeLuxe Floating Point-Long Life-1 per red silver card - $6.50 ea. Fiber needles-unused loose in baggie 25 count $10.00 or 50 count $20.00. Recoton Shock Proof Nylon 1 set screw needle on round card - $6.95 Walco 400 Needle Precious Needle 3 speed (WA-400-2) 1 set screw needle to round card - $6.95 Pfanstiehl - 4000 or more plays (per needle)/Precious metal tip. One needle to a round plastic disc - $12.95 ea. For Home players and Automatic Changers Pfanstiel Replacment Needle PD-33 precious metal point/set screw type 33 45 rpm - $6.95 Pfanstiel Swiss Steel 25 count (12 or more plays per needle) - $5.95 per pk. Carded steel needles - various brands Recoton steel, Duotone Filter point (all speed) Pfanstiel - $7.95 per card of multiple needles Umantone Three-Tone Needles 50 per pk/10 plays per needle $16.95 If you collect packages I have a few duplicates of opened/empty packs. Some of these maybe very limited or one of a kind. Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph 5092 Muskego Dr. Newaygo MI 49337-8556 231-652-5753 victr...@triton.net www.victroladoctor.com - Original Message - From: Chris Kocsis To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:40 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Wanted: Soft Tone Tungs-Tone Needles;Pfanstiehl Dollar Needle I'm looking for a full tin of Victor Tungs-Tone needles, soft tone, needles unused (I don't care about the condition of the tin). Also a Pfanstiehl dollar needle for acoustic phonograph. Any offers? Thanks! Chris ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Diamond Disc grills needed
Bob, I have a light oak C-19 cabinet I'm parting out, including the grille. Please contact me at gpaul2000(at)aol.com. Best, George P. -Original Message- From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Feb 18, 2013 10:56 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Diamond Disc grills needed Brad: Thanks for the info contact . Later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Brad abell Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 7:24 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Diamond Disc grills needed Try Tom Rutkowski-- I've ordered several grills from him- He does nice work. His email-- gril...@gmail.com Website-- http://www.grampstreasures.com/product_pages/phonograph_grills.htm He has the ones you are looking for. Brad -Original Message- From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:17 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Diamond Disc grills needed Phono list: I need to get grills for: A Edison Diamond Disc C-19 : light OAK and Diamond Disc table model, B-19: I think it is a light gum wood. Anyone have a good contact for reproductions? Original would be great however, unlikely. Later Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism
Be that as it may, we Greeks look down on everyone else since we are the creators of Western Civilization. As the father in My Big Fat Greek Wedding said..Every thing comes from the Greek. Or as my late father would say to his best friends (Mr. Kelley, Mr. Germeroth, and Mr. Freed) When my people were writing the great philosophical books of the ancient world, your people were swinging from trees. Then again, he would remind my mother that HIS family were Corinthian but that HER family were only Thessalian. -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:12 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism Honestly, growing up in western Michigan, even as a white male I felt somewhat oppressed by the very nature of the clannish ethnic groups. It didn't matter if you were white, what mattered was whether you were Polish or Dutch. For example, the Dutch had bumper stickers that said If you're not Dutch, you're not much. Talk about discrimination... you couldn't buy a house in Zeeland, Michigan without going through an interview with a Dutch realtor - there were no For Sale/Rent signs in Zeeland, even though houses were obviously available. If your last name didn't end with a ski or other Polish ending you weren't accepted on the west side of Grand Rapids and the blacks were all located in their own section of town, because to avoid the busing and integration laws each small community that made up the total of Grand Rapids proper, incorporated into their own small towns. Benton Harbor, Michigan is a prime example: in the 1950's it was predominately white, but in the 60's a nd 70's as blacks moved in - whites moved out across the river to St Joseph... the last time I was there, Benton Harbor was referred to as Benton Harlem and St Joseph was almost totally white. From: rpm...@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:44:50 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism Given when he was born, where he lived, and his own ethnic and cultural group, I would be surprised if he were either more or less anti-semitic than others in the United States who weren't themselves Jewish. It wasn't remarkable for a Christian home owner to want to sell his home to another Christian; for a Christian employer to want a Christian employee. What we have here, I think, is a kind of social distance felt by one social and cultural group from another. In my own lifetime, newspaper advertisements for houses for sale or apartments to rent in New York City included clues in their texts about who they wanted, e.g. --- churches nearby --- carrying with it an implication of who they *did not* want. Edison was a man of his time, place, and background. paul charosh ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism
UGH! You had me going until the end. -Original Message- From: Ken and Brenda Brekke Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:14 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism Every once in a while, a little bit of historical trivia comes to light. Did you know The Goldberg Brothers - The Inventors of the Automobile Air Conditioner. Here's a little factoid for automotive buffs or just to dazzle your friends. The four Goldberg brothers, Lowell, Norman, Hiram, and Maxwell, invented and developed the first automobile air-conditioner. On July 17, 1946, the temperature in Detroit was 97 degrees. The four brothers walked into old man Henry Ford's office and sweet-talked his secretary into telling him that four gentlemen were there with the most exciting innovation in the auto industry since the electric starter. Henry was curious and invited them into his office. They refused and instead asked that he come out to the parking lot to their car. They persuaded him to get into the car, which was about 130 degrees, turned on the air conditioner, and cooled the car off immediately. The old man got very excited and invited them back to the office, where he offered them $3 million for the patent. The brothers refused, saying they would settle for $2 million, but they wanted the recognition by having a label, 'The Goldberg Air-Conditioner,' on the dashboard of each car in which it was installed. Now old man Ford was more than just a little anti - Semitic, and there was no way he was going to put the Goldberg's name on two million Fords. They haggled back and forth for about two hours and finally agreed on $4 million and that just their first names would be shown. And so to this day, all Ford air conditioners show -- Lo, Norm, Hi, and Max -- on the controls. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism
Yes, it and it says how wonderful the Greeks are! -Original Message- From: Greg Bogantz Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:48 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism The fact that Americans were more obsessed with immigrants and nationalities 100 years ago than we are today is well illustrated in the Edison BA record #4083 The Argentines, the Portuguese, and the Greeks by Ed Meeker. This is a fun song and one of my favorite BAs, but it also illustrates the popular preoccupation that people had with ethnic and national stereotypes back then. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Michael F. Khanchalian mfkhanchal...@altrionet.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism You mean you look down on everyone except the Armenians. Come on now George :-) Sent from my iPhone On Jan 27, 2013, at 8:33 AM, George Glastris glast...@comcast.net wrote: Be that as it may, we Greeks look down on everyone else since we are the creators of Western Civilization. As the father in My Big Fat Greek Wedding said..Every thing comes from the Greek. Or as my late father would say to his best friends (Mr. Kelley, Mr. Germeroth, and Mr. Freed) When my people were writing the great philosophical books of the ancient world, your people were swinging from trees. Then again, he would remind my mother that HIS family were Corinthian but that HER family were only Thessalian. -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:12 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism Honestly, growing up in western Michigan, even as a white male I felt somewhat oppressed by the very nature of the clannish ethnic groups. It didn't matter if you were white, what mattered was whether you were Polish or Dutch. For example, the Dutch had bumper stickers that said If you're not Dutch, you're not much. Talk about discrimination... you couldn't buy a house in Zeeland, Michigan without going through an interview with a Dutch realtor - there were no For Sale/Rent signs in Zeeland, even though houses were obviously available. If your last name didn't end with a ski or other Polish ending you weren't accepted on the west side of Grand Rapids and the blacks were all located in their own section of town, because to avoid the busing and integration laws each small community that made up the total of Grand Rapids proper, incorporated into their own small towns. Benton Harbor, Michigan is a prime example: in the 1950's it was predominately white, but in the 60's a nd 70's as blacks moved in - whites moved out across the river to St Joseph... the last time I was there, Benton Harbor was referred to as Benton Harlem and St Joseph was almost totally white. From: rpm...@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:44:50 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism Given when he was born, where he lived, and his own ethnic and cultural group, I would be surprised if he were either more or less anti-semitic than others in the United States who weren't themselves Jewish. It wasn't remarkable for a Christian home owner to want to sell his home to another Christian; for a Christian employer to want a Christian employee. What we have here, I think, is a kind of social distance felt by one social and cultural group from another. In my own lifetime, newspaper advertisements for houses for sale or apartments to rent in New York City included clues in their texts about who they wanted, e.g. --- churches nearby --- carrying with it an implication of who they *did not* want. Edison was a man of his time, place, and background. paul charosh ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism
Wellmaybe we don't look down on the Armenians, but we may glance down on them. You do make lovely rugs. -Original Message- From: Michael F. Khanchalian Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 5:54 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism You mean you look down on everyone except the Armenians. Come on now George :-) Sent from my iPhone On Jan 27, 2013, at 8:33 AM, George Glastris glast...@comcast.net wrote: Be that as it may, we Greeks look down on everyone else since we are the creators of Western Civilization. As the father in My Big Fat Greek Wedding said..Every thing comes from the Greek. Or as my late father would say to his best friends (Mr. Kelley, Mr. Germeroth, and Mr. Freed) When my people were writing the great philosophical books of the ancient world, your people were swinging from trees. Then again, he would remind my mother that HIS family were Corinthian but that HER family were only Thessalian. -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:12 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism Honestly, growing up in western Michigan, even as a white male I felt somewhat oppressed by the very nature of the clannish ethnic groups. It didn't matter if you were white, what mattered was whether you were Polish or Dutch. For example, the Dutch had bumper stickers that said If you're not Dutch, you're not much. Talk about discrimination... you couldn't buy a house in Zeeland, Michigan without going through an interview with a Dutch realtor - there were no For Sale/Rent signs in Zeeland, even though houses were obviously available. If your last name didn't end with a ski or other Polish ending you weren't accepted on the west side of Grand Rapids and the blacks were all located in their own section of town, because to avoid the busing and integration laws each small community that made up the total of Grand Rapids proper, incorporated into their own small towns. Benton Harbor, Michigan is a prime example: in the 1950's it was predominately white, but in the 60's a nd 70's as blacks moved in - whites moved out across the river to St Joseph... the last time I was there, Benton Harbor was referred to as Benton Harlem and St Joseph was almost totally white. From: rpm...@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:44:50 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism Given when he was born, where he lived, and his own ethnic and cultural group, I would be surprised if he were either more or less anti-semitic than others in the United States who weren't themselves Jewish. It wasn't remarkable for a Christian home owner to want to sell his home to another Christian; for a Christian employer to want a Christian employee. What we have here, I think, is a kind of social distance felt by one social and cultural group from another. In my own lifetime, newspaper advertisements for houses for sale or apartments to rent in New York City included clues in their texts about who they wanted, e.g. --- churches nearby --- carrying with it an implication of who they *did not* want. Edison was a man of his time, place, and background. paul charosh ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Little Known Facts About Edison :)
Fascinating. I don't recall reading or hearing about his being anti-Semitic, but knowing how common that was I wouldn't be surprised. I know he was no friend to labor and had more than his fair share of strikes. I'm sure those who worked more closely to him felt lucky to be working for such a man or at least felt it would look good on the resume, but I don't think people who were basically factory workers gave more than half a damnthey just needed the job. And let's face it, assembling phonographs all day was probably not the most rewarding career. -Original Message- From: Abe Feder Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 6:01 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Known Facts About Edison :) Just make sure that you don't teach them everything about Edison, he was very hard on employees and paid a low working wage and fired most who disagreed with him. He had a strange view-almost myopic view about art, the people that produced it and music. If it didn't fit his view or like he simply dismissed it as inferior. And just like his good friend Henry Ford he was very anti-Semitic. Both men are viewed as great and in many cases they were-both both had some major flaws. Abe Feder On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Everybody, As many of you know, I am a middle school music/band teacher and I always run a unit about Edison and the phonograph. We always end the unit by recording on a wax cylinder. For the first time in many years, I am teaching two 6th grade general music classes along with my band classes this year. Today was the first time I approached the topic of Thomas A. Edison. To see where the class was with their present knowledge of Edison, I broke the kids into groups and asked them to write down everything they knew or thought they knew about him. Here is what the majority of the class wrote down: 1. Edison was the 2nd, 3rd or 16th president of the United States. We're not sure which.2. Edison was originally from England.3. Edison's face is on the $20.00 bill.4. Edison was a male.5. Edison probably had a wife and might have had children.6. Edison died a very long, long, long time ago.7. Edison helped to write the constitution.8. Edison had very long, wild hair.9. Edison was very old. One student surprised me by writing that Edison invented the first talking doll. I was amazed so I asked her where she had learned that information. It turns our that it was on a recent episode of a TV show called Oddities. Who says TV can't teach! Obviously, I plan on starting at the very beginning of Edison's life and of course his many inventions of which not even the light bulb was mentioned. If any of you have any words of wisdom or little known/especially interesting facts about Edison, please let me know. I plan on going pretty in depth with these kids so anything I can learn will only help me capture their interest and put these misconceptions to rest once and for all. Thanks!Melissa ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] update that Triumph or not?
As ever, Al has put it better and more complete than anyone else could. -Original Message- From: clockworkh...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:10 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] update that Triumph or not? What Triumph cabinet does it have? If it is a banner Triumph Model A then I would definitely NOT drill holes into one of these cabinets. The later raised panel with a thicker wood is better suited from a material strength viewpoint. What reproducer does it have? A Model O in a horizontal carriage would suggest a Cygnet horn would be a good addition so the 'new' holes might not detract from the machine. If the carriage is a 45º small carriage with a Model C reproducer then I would stick with a smaller straight horn. Is the machine equipped with a 2 and 4 minute mandrel shaft gearing? Has the cabinet been refinished? Many factors need to be considered. In making a decision to alter something that has remained the same for 100+ years, one must think if the modification would have been accurate to the machine and how it will change the monetary value. Triumphs late D and D2, E, F, and G should already have the factory drilled holes. A 2 minute Model C Triumph is a rare bird, I would leave it virginal. A Triumph Model B with added horizontal carriage and an O Reproducer has already been altered, drill away Gridley. A Triumph A banner would have me want to return it to its catalog configuration. I have taken out 2/4 minutes gears on some of my machines and made them like their original description from a contemporaneous catalog. Anything earlier like a Spring Motor and it would be sacrilege to drill the holes. Did I mention that I am an opinionated old fart? Best wishes to all on the list, Al Who thought swans used Cygnet horns to keep from bumping into each other on the pond... ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Home SN
Home No.1265 left the factory about August 1897. George P. -Original Message- From: Thomas Edison edisonphonowo...@hotmail.com To: phono L phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Dec 27, 2012 2:18 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Home SN Hi George I have Home H 1265, about when was this made, I am thinking about February 1897. It has a brass mandrel, I used to have the original carriage however it was very rusty where the half nut was, Thinking back it was a dumb mistake, I traded it for a good one that had clips, I think the original had two screw holes for the clips instead of four, the original carriage was a weighted half nut, the one I have is the spring kind. It has an Automatic reproducer. I might put it back to the weighted kind, If I could ever find one. It is a solid top work, not with the hole in the center, however the last patent date is 1893, and it has a cast iron lower pulley, and the on off, pushes the yoke rather than having its own pad, it also has the holder for the lift lever casting in the bed plate. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Red Banner Long Case Edison Home A
Home No.2654 left the factory about January 1898. George P. -Original Message- From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Dec 27, 2012 12:38 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Red Banner Long Case Edison Home A Hi - How about H2654, please? Thanks! -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Dec 26, 2012, at 3:26 PM, George Paul gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: Jack, Home No.3611 left the factory about February 1898. Home No.10995 left the factory about January 1899. George P. -Original Message- From: Jack Whelan jackwhe...@hotmail.com To: Phono-L phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, Dec 26, 2012 6:18 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Red Banner Long Case Edison Home A George, I couldn't resist. Here's two more:H3611H10995 Much appreciated. Jack Whelan www.PhonoJack.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Red Banner Long Case Edison Home A
You're very welcome! George P. -Original Message- From: David Dazer dda...@sbcglobal.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, Dec 19, 2012 5:50 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Red Banner Long Case Edison Home A Amazing! I appreciate this so much. People always ask when it was made and I have only been able to approximate. Thanks so much! Dave --- On Tue, 12/18/12, George Paul gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: From: George Paul gpaul2...@aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Red Banner Long Case Edison Home A To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tuesday, December 18, 2012, 10:06 PM No trouble at all. Home No.276131 left the factory in July 1907. Home No.173676 left the factory in January 1906. George P. -Original Message- From: David Dazer dda...@sbcglobal.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2012 8:46 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Red Banner Long Case Edison Home A That is so interesting!! Can you tell me when Home number 276 131 was born? That's the one with the repeater I am trying to find parts for. I also have Home H 173 676 if it is not too much trouble to ask. Dave --- On Tue, 12/18/12, George Paul gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: From: George Paul gpaul2...@aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Red Banner Long Case Edison Home A To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tuesday, December 18, 2012, 5:35 PM Dave, I have monthly sales data for each Edison model up through May 1908. By extrapolating the monthly sales, a reasonably accurate idea of when a machine left the factory can be determined. It's very helpful for research. I promised not to publish this data until the donor does so, but in the meantime I can help other collectors date machines. George P. -Original Message- From: David Dazer dda...@sbcglobal.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2012 3:58 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Red Banner Long Case Edison Home A Where do you keep getting these dates for the Home model? I am very intrigued. Dave --- On Tue, 12/18/12, George Paul gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: From: George Paul gpaul2...@aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Red Banner Long Case Edison Home A To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tuesday, December 18, 2012, 12:34 PM Home No.29180 left the factory about April 1900. George P. -Original Message- From: bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2012 12:08 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Red Banner Long Case Edison Home A I know this is a little off track in the discussion, but my Banner Home is H29180, I found as part of that bulk purchase from an Elderly Gentleman's basement in which I also found those home made brown wax cylinders that were featured in Archeophone's CD Actionable Offenses that was nominated for a Grammy. Since the Gentlemen told me that he had purchased them years ago together, I often wondered whether the Banner Home was used to record the Cylinders. Oddly the gentlemen told me that he had never used it or played it and the case and everything on it were in pristine shape, just needed a good lube and oiling to get it going again. Covering the top of the serial number plate and extending under the mandrel was something I had never come across before, what I presume was an off Market shavings catcher, so when I removed the catcher which had obviously been in place for many many decades the nickle plated serial number tag was just like new. What would be the approx. date of mfg. of H29180 ? This would give me some clue as to whether it was actually used to make the Brown Wax cylinder Recordings. Thanks, Bruce - Original Message - From: Brad abell out...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 10:28:59 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Red Banner Long Case Edison Home A My red banner Home with nickle tag is H42799 and was found with a winged B-- It was a Pennsylvania attic find a couple years ago. It's one of the nicest condition machines I've seen in a long time-- decal is near mint, original stitched belt in good shape, gold is 95%+. Just a beautiful machine that was complete with a 42 all brass horn, original crane and 103 cylinders. I love it!! Brad -Original Message- From: Mike Tucker mtucker1...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Dec 17, 2012 11:25 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Red Banner Long Case Edison Home A I have 43744 listed as red and gold banner, but this is well and truly beaten by the one on eBay at the moment - H42115 with R and G banner and NICKEL tag. The earlist Black and Gold version I have listed is H53447. Mike On 17/12/2012 6:43 AM, Michael F. Khanchalian wrote: Thank you so much Al! One of mine is 48485 and I can't get at the other one right now :-) So appreciative for the marvelous resource you are to all of us ! Michael K. Sent from my
Re: [Phono-L] DECAL ID. on Red Banner Edison Home A-
Yes, I remember that. It involved the number of lines beneath the D of EDISON. Unfortunately, that theory didn't hold up, as it appears there were minor changes in the decal that weren't used in a linear chronological progression. George P. -Original Message- From: Dennis Back back...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, Dec 19, 2012 1:42 pm Subject: [Phono-L] DECAL ID. on Red Banner Edison Home A- Years ago, I remember reading (probably in the APM) that one could approximate the year of manufacturer of these Home machines by looking at the number of thin black lines somewhere on the decal. Anyone else remember this? Dennis ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Red Banner Long Case Edison Home A
Dennis, Home No.25229 left the factory in January 1900. George P. -Original Message- From: Dennis Back back...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, Dec 19, 2012 3:23 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Red Banner Long Case Edison Home A Hi George, One more for youH 25229. Thanks, Dennis ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] DECAL ID. on Red Banner Edison Home A-
Allen, As a general tendency, the number of lines beneath the D did increase over time. However, in my earlier email I stated, there were minor changes in the decal that weren't used in a linear chronological progression. You wrote that the application of these decals (and possible chrono matching to chassis) was not done by TAE in any absolutely precise manner. So we seem to agree. As a general pattern, the increasing number of lines on the Home decal indeed holds up. However, the original poster mentioned determining the approximate year of manufacture through the decal. In my own anecdotal observations in over 100 collections, I found enough exceptions to that pattern to eliminate the decal as a valid tool for dating. To be clear, I found decals with 18 lines on machines serially numbered below examples with 14 lines. At first I wondered if the switching of lids was responsible, but there were enough of these exceptions to raise serious doubts. There are several manufacturing characteristics which appear with similar inconsistency, and which I examined in detail in an article on suitcase Homes which appeared in The Sound Box in September 2006. Like the decal variations, there are general patterns, such as open frames being the first type of upper casting to be employed on the Home. However, to use this characteristic alone in determining a date for a particular machine could skew the estimate by more than a year from its true age. I fear the decal dating is equally suspect, despite the general pattern. The theory that doesn't hold up is accurate dating based upon the general pattern; not the general pattern itself. George P. -Original Message- From: AllenAmet allena...@aol.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, Dec 19, 2012 4:41 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] DECAL ID. on Red Banner Edison Home A- Dennis, I was indeed responsible for that theory and published it (with illus) in APM. Obviously, it is anecdotal information, as the application of these decals (and possible chrono matching to chassis) was not done by TAE in any absolutely precise manner. However, I have never seen such a decal (those little black lines beneath the letter D in the colorful scroll) with less than ten lines (late 1896 on). The next series (1897-98?) seems to be composed of 14 such lines, and the series after that had 18 lines (1899-1901?). It is a mystery as to why each time the decal was manufactured and applied they made those lines finer and finer (and hence more numerous). I certainly invite collectors to take a close look at their 'Suitcase Home' lids and verify (or not) whether the general pattern I noticed still holds up. I haven't seen any evidence (so far) to disprove this observation. Allen _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) -- In a message dated 12/19/2012 2:34:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gpaul2...@aol.com writes: Yes, I remember that. It involved the number of lines beneath the D of EDISON. Unfortunately, that theory didn't hold up, ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Home Banner to Script
Al, Thanks for the results of your field studies. Edison sold approximately 8,000 Homes in Sept. 1906, so my supposition was off by at least a month's worth. Dealing with Edison, I should have known that it would have taken more time - not less - for the change to have taken place! Thanks again for the correction. George P. -Original Message- From: clockworkhome clockworkh...@aol.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Dec 16, 2012 5:23 am Subject: [Phono-L] Home Banner to Script Hi Steve: My notes show Home Model B #217170 and earlier having the full black banner varnish transfer. The first Home with the simple Edison script I have a note on is #217743. After that all are script. One must ignore machines that are anomalies due to cabinet swaps and refinishing with modern water transfer decals. One has to cringe and chuckle at the same time when a Home D shows up with a banner label which the seller states is all original and in mint condition. I hope that helps. Regards, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped?
Steve, I've seen Home No.55. I didn't note what type of reproducer was on it, or other Homes during the suitcase research, because there's no way to know if they're the original reproducers. I've had collectors state that certain machines were all original - just as sold - but then it turns out the machine had already gone through the hands of 3 or 4 other collectors. So how do you know for sure? Even when purchased from the family of the original owner - who swear as they lead you to the attic that the machine has been untouched - we so often find obvious evidence to the contrary. Even 110 years ago, an Edison owner could exchange his Automatic or Standard Speaker for a Model C, and we've all seen evidence of this. George P. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Dec 16, 2012 9:17 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped? Hello George P, What is the lowest serial number home you have seen, do you know the reproducer type and serial number? Thanks for the research and all the answers. Steve To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: gpaul2...@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:59:23 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped? I know - - I was just being a smart ass. The Edison Phonograph Monthly announced the end of the banner decals on all models in the September 1906 issue. Taking into account the set-up for that issue occurring in August, about the closest I can estimate is that the Home lost the banner decal around serial No.210,000 or a bit earlier depending on how long the change had been in effect when it was announced in the EPM that ...all models are now being sent out... with the new decal. A safe range would probably be between 205,000 and 210,000. George P. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Dec 15, 2012 10:25 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped? That is what I meant to ask. I wish I could afford an editor. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped?
No published source as yet. George P. -Original Message- From: David Dazer dda...@sbcglobal.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Dec 16, 2012 9:47 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped? Is there a published source for looking up serial numbers to date a machine? Dave D --- On Sat, 12/15/12, George Paul gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: From: George Paul gpaul2...@aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped? To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, December 15, 2012, 10:59 PM I know - - I was just being a smart ass. The Edison Phonograph Monthly announced the end of the banner decals on all models in the September 1906 issue. Taking into account the set-up for that issue occurring in August, about the closest I can estimate is that the Home lost the banner decal around serial No.210,000 or a bit earlier depending on how long the change had been in effect when it was announced in the EPM that ...all models are now being sent out... with the new decal. A safe range would probably be between 205,000 and 210,000. George P. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Dec 15, 2012 10:25 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped? That is what I meant to ask. I wish I could afford an editor. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Limit screw for automatic recorder
Yes, the banner Home appeared at serial No.1! George P. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Dec 15, 2012 3:28 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Limit screw for automatic recorder Hello, Does anyone have a limit screw for an automatic recorder for sale? Does anyone know at what serial number the banner home appeared? Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped?
I know - - I was just being a smart ass. The Edison Phonograph Monthly announced the end of the banner decals on all models in the September 1906 issue. Taking into account the set-up for that issue occurring in August, about the closest I can estimate is that the Home lost the banner decal around serial No.210,000 or a bit earlier depending on how long the change had been in effect when it was announced in the EPM that ...all models are now being sent out... with the new decal. A safe range would probably be between 205,000 and 210,000. George P. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Dec 15, 2012 10:25 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home case was dropped? That is what I meant to ask. I wish I could afford an editor. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Thanks and the centering pin on the carriage
Thanks Steve. You're very kind. George P. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 9:10 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Thanks and the centering pin on the carriage Hello George P., I had meant the e-mail to be a private one, since it went to the list I will tell you how much I appreciate the article on the suitcase homes and the dates. I also never realized there was that gap. When Edison literature spoke of improvements such as the Model C coming in Feb 1902 I did not realize there was a gap of several months until these shipped. It now makes sense that Edison's company sent the Model C out as dealers samples Jan 6, 1902 as it would have been 4 - 5 months before they came on machines (based on my guess). Edison's company never had definite cut offs and you find earlier parts on later machines and reproducers. One example is the solid C weight that does not have the holes. The holes appeared in the 70,000 range on the C and D weights, yet sporadically and in 1910 the appeared again. I find the Edison factory mistakes and varieties very interesting like the Home with the Triumph ID plate and the Home serial number. Steve PS I am slowly becoming more precise, I will never achieve what you have. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: gpaul2...@aol.com Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 22:10:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Thanks and the centering pin on the carriage To be precise, I'm pretty sure I wrote there could be a several month gap between manufacture and shipping. This might be especially true for slow-moving models like the Concert, or during the spring/summer months when orders fell off. During the fall, the Edison Works was sometimes thousands of machines behind schedule - which would close that manufacturing/shipping gap to nearly zero. There are no hard and fast rules. George P. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:56 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Thanks and the centering pin on the carriage Hello Al, Welcome back and thanks so very much. Angelo has a Gem that I believe the serial number is 42,000. Both the case and the carriage is missing so I will let him know it is not the branded case Gem. I really appreciate the information you sent me and I will save it. When you are rested we can discuss when the centering pin appeared on the Edison small carriage, I have an idea. From George Paul I discovered there was a several month gap when the machines were made and when they were shipped. Thanks again, Steve To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: clockworkh...@aol.com Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 17:43:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Branded case Gem with Gem speaker (off list) Greetings Steve: I just returned from my Asia cruise and spotted your question. The Gem went through a number of mechanical variations as well as esthetic ones from the caseless version through the last of the keywound Model As. The carriages are not interchangeable and the feedscrews with drive gears are not the same from the first to the last As. The serial number range of the branded case Gem stops just after 36000. So, if the serial is 37000 or later then the banner varnish transfer (decal) label is the correct one and the Gem Special Automatic Speaker was changed to the Model B Reproducer about the same time. (maybe even together at the same time) There is one seller on eBay who mixes parts and called a later branded case Gem a 'transitional model' which drove me crazy! You cannot have a carriage arm built-in Gem Automatic up in the 36000s when a bayonet in Gem Special Automatic was introduced some 20,000 machines earlier... I hope this helps. Best wishes, Al PS: Above information guaranteed to be 50% correct as I am still jet lagged to the nth degree. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com; phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:41 am Subject: [Phono-L] Branded case Gem with Gem speaker If the carriage and the lid is missing how would you tell a branded case Gem from the later Gem with the Model B reproducer? The reproducers are not interchangeable, but is the carriages? Thanks, Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono
Re: [Phono-L] Thanks and the centering pin on the carriage
To be precise, I'm pretty sure I wrote there could be a several month gap between manufacture and shipping. This might be especially true for slow-moving models like the Concert, or during the spring/summer months when orders fell off. During the fall, the Edison Works was sometimes thousands of machines behind schedule - which would close that manufacturing/shipping gap to nearly zero. There are no hard and fast rules. George P. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:56 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Thanks and the centering pin on the carriage Hello Al, Welcome back and thanks so very much. Angelo has a Gem that I believe the serial number is 42,000. Both the case and the carriage is missing so I will let him know it is not the branded case Gem. I really appreciate the information you sent me and I will save it. When you are rested we can discuss when the centering pin appeared on the Edison small carriage, I have an idea. From George Paul I discovered there was a several month gap when the machines were made and when they were shipped. Thanks again, Steve To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: clockworkh...@aol.com Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 17:43:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Branded case Gem with Gem speaker (off list) Greetings Steve: I just returned from my Asia cruise and spotted your question. The Gem went through a number of mechanical variations as well as esthetic ones from the caseless version through the last of the keywound Model As. The carriages are not interchangeable and the feedscrews with drive gears are not the same from the first to the last As. The serial number range of the branded case Gem stops just after 36000. So, if the serial is 37000 or later then the banner varnish transfer (decal) label is the correct one and the Gem Special Automatic Speaker was changed to the Model B Reproducer about the same time. (maybe even together at the same time) There is one seller on eBay who mixes parts and called a later branded case Gem a 'transitional model' which drove me crazy! You cannot have a carriage arm built-in Gem Automatic up in the 36000s when a bayonet in Gem Special Automatic was introduced some 20,000 machines earlier... I hope this helps. Best wishes, Al PS: Above information guaranteed to be 50% correct as I am still jet lagged to the nth degree. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com; phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:41 am Subject: [Phono-L] Branded case Gem with Gem speaker If the carriage and the lid is missing how would you tell a branded case Gem from the later Gem with the Model B reproducer? The reproducers are not interchangeable, but is the carriages? Thanks, Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] reproducers with the strap across the front forthevery early Berliner hand winds
Yep retired completely he said. Thank you Happy Holidays, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph 5092 Muskego Dr. Newaygo MI 49337-8556 231-652-5753 victr...@triton.net www.victroladoctor.com - Original Message - From: Steven Medved To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] reproducers with the strap across the front forthevery early Berliner hand winds Thanks, did he quit altogether? From: victr...@triton.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 19:06:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] reproducers with the strap across the front forthevery early Berliner hand winds Yes I bought out most his remaining stock. I did not get any of those Berliner reproducers. I got some Victor Concerts both long throat (wide and narrow) face and taper arm type, a Nifty Nirona and a Talk-O-Phone.. Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph 5092 Muskego Dr. Newaygo MI 49337-8556 231-652-5753 victr...@triton.net www.victroladoctor.com - Original Message - From: Jeffry Young, D.O. To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] reproducers with the strap across the front forthevery early Berliner hand winds George Vollema bought all of Mirek's old stock. Here is a link to his web site. You can contact him. http://www.victroladoctor.com/ Good luck! Jeff Wisconsin From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org on behalf of David Dazer Sent: Fri 11/30/2012 2:18 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] reproducers with the strap across the front for thevery early Berliner hand winds I do not think he is active any more, but he may still have some unsold parts or complete reproducers. Dave --- On Fri, 11/30/12, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Subject: [Phono-L] reproducers with the strap across the front for the very early Berliner hand winds To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com, phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, November 30, 2012, 11:20 AM Hello all, Would you know of anyone who makes the reproducers with the strap across the front for the very early Berliner hand winds? Does Mirek still make them? Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] reproducers with the strap across the front forthevery early Berliner hand winds
Yes I bought out most his remaining stock. I did not get any of those Berliner reproducers. I got some Victor Concerts both long throat (wide and narrow) face and taper arm type, a Nifty Nirona and a Talk-O-Phone.. Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph 5092 Muskego Dr. Newaygo MI 49337-8556 231-652-5753 victr...@triton.net www.victroladoctor.com - Original Message - From: Jeffry Young, D.O. To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] reproducers with the strap across the front forthevery early Berliner hand winds George Vollema bought all of Mirek's old stock. Here is a link to his web site. You can contact him. http://www.victroladoctor.com/ Good luck! Jeff Wisconsin From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org on behalf of David Dazer Sent: Fri 11/30/2012 2:18 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] reproducers with the strap across the front for thevery early Berliner hand winds I do not think he is active any more, but he may still have some unsold parts or complete reproducers. Dave --- On Fri, 11/30/12, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Subject: [Phono-L] reproducers with the strap across the front for the very early Berliner hand winds To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com, phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, November 30, 2012, 11:20 AM Hello all, Would you know of anyone who makes the reproducers with the strap across the front for the very early Berliner hand winds? Does Mirek still make them? Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors
I too have owned a few of these over the years and the governors were always removed on the motors in the ones I found. Some had motor housing partially cut of and in most cases the turntable shafts were altered in some way to mount the reel. Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph 5092 Muskego Dr. Newaygo MI 49337-8556 231-652-5753 victr...@triton.net www.victroladoctor.com - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors I believe that removing the governors is part of what makes them work well, although a couple of pictures I've seen show governors in the motors. I suppose it is possible that they are there but not engaged in the gear train too. Can you send a picture of one you have? Thanks, Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of David Dazer Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 5:50 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors I pick them up around here for around $20. The governors are always gone, but the springs and gears come in handy Dave Dazer From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, October 28, 2012 9:20:48 PM Subject: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors I'm looking for information about the practice of turning a spring wound phono motor into a trolling motor/line winder. Ever see on, build one, use one? Got pictures? Thanks, Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor
Can you forward pictures of your motor? Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph 5092 Muskego Dr. Newaygo MI 49337-8556 231-652-5753 victr...@triton.net www.victroladoctor.com - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:09 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Fairy Phono Lamp Motor I just restored my Fairy Phono Lamp, but found that the motor needs rewinding and the shaft is bent... Anyone have a motor for this? Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors
Here in the Finger Lakes of New York state, we occasionally see trolling motors made from phonograph spring motors. Believe it or not, there was a guy still doing this at least up to about 5 years ago. Several antique dealers have told me they sell their junk machines to this guy who installs the motors into nice-looking wooden boxes for fishermen. No one seems to know his name, but all gave the same location as to where he was from (Hammondsport). I was never able to track him down. George P. -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Oct 28, 2012 10:35 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors I had an amberola 50 someone did that with. The cut the mandrel in pieces, a front and back with a wood V shaped center that held the string. They made a wooden box to hold the motor. I might have saved the mandrel and I think I still have the wooden box. Steve From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 21:12:24 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] trolling motors from phono motors I'm looking for information about the practice of turning a spring wound phono motor into a trolling motor/line winder. Ever see on, build one, use one? Got pictures? Thanks, Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Dalion
Can you email me some pictures? Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph 5092 Muskego Dr. Newaygo MI 49337-8556 231-652-5753 victr...@triton.net www.victroladoctor.com - Original Message - From: Randy Larson To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Dalion The reproducer says Dalion on it, it doesn't look like a generic arm. On Oct 25, 2012 3:17 PM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: Is it a generic arm? Any chance for pictures of the needed part? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Randy Larson Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 11:46 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Dalion I recently gave a Dalion shell to a friend last year. He did an amazing restoration of the cabinet and now is wanting me to complete the restoration and place the innards (sorry, couldn't find a better term) in it. I have it nearly completed including my locating a Dalion reproducer arm at a Goodwill store in LosAngelos CA. The only thing missing is the base of the arm. I was wondering if anyone had such a part. Would appreciate your help. Thanks Randy Larson ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed
I don't know about websites, but 3 photos of a Gibson Gramophone may be seen on pages 58-59 of Discovering Antique Phonographs. George P. -Original Message- From: bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:27 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed An obvious misunderstanding. I had acquired a Victor Monarch Jr., that came with a Gibson (Sheet Metal type) traveling arm, that was missing the swivel pin, which I needed in order to make it functional . Ken from Wisconsin, was the only collector or supplier for that matter, that I was able to find that actually had a spare and he graciously sold it to me for a reasonable price. I never have owned a Gibson Phonograph. Is there any website where one of these rare Gibson's can be seen ? Bruce - Original Message - From: zonophone2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:11:15 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed hi bruce so there are three gibson phonographs now i know the oliphants and howard hazelcorn each have one is your complete zono -Original Message- From: bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:02 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed Wow, that is a tough one, an obscure late 20's Sonora phonograph, with an even ore obscure extension for the crank . George Volema at Great Lakes may be your est bet. There is also a fellow in Wisconsin, who is an avid Phonograph ollector, who has over the years managed to obtain, many odd and obscure parts s well. When I was looking for an odd rare part (the swivel pin) for a Gibson raveling Tone arm, he was the only one I could find in the entire U.S. honograph world that seemed to have one. When I come up with his name I will orward it to you. - Original Message - rom: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net o: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org ent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 9:25:41 PM ubject: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed Phono List: I am looking for another needle in a haystack however, this group has lways helped. I had a motor repaired with new springs and apparently I misplaced or lost a art! First of all, it is a Sonora floor model. On the underside of the lid it as: Tonalie sonora Clear as a bell I think it is a late 20s model as it has a similar cabinet design as my ictor VV-8-35, thus my guess at the year. Any info on the machine in general? I am missing an extension for the crank which attaches to the motor inding shaft and, if I recall correctly, is about 4' to 6' in length. The rank threads on the extension allowing the crank to function the distance rom the right cabinet wall to reach the motor. The extension part looked ike it was made from a wire or rod wound around to make the extension. So: Has anyone have an idea of what the *** I am trying to explain / describe? oreover, anyone have one to part with? Or a workable substitute. Thanks Bob ___ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Gibson Gramophone
Robert L. Gibson designed the Gibson Gramophone for submission to Frank Seaman as a less expensive and technically superior machine to the Johnson-designed Improved Gramophone (known as the Trademark to us collectors). The Berliner management wouldn't accept the design. Gibson later designed and patented the Exhibition sound box, which Victor manufactured under license, paying a royalty to Gibson of 10 cents per unit if I remember correctly. (This undoubtedly made Gibson a very wealthy man!) Gibson also designed and patented the metal traveling arm used on some front mount Victors, and this was also manufactured by Victor - probably under a similar royalty arrangement. I'm not familiar with the Gibson arm as used on Zonophones. George P. -Original Message- From: bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:46 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed Whoops, Ok, I do have your wonderful descriptive pictorial A world of Antique Phonographs but unfortunately I do not have Discovering Antique Phonographs, so for now I guess I am out of luck, as far as seeing the rare and seldom seen Gibson Gramophone. Was it made by the same folks who supplied the Gibson Traveling arm for various early Victor Talking machines, and the Gibson arm for Zonophones ? - Original Message - From: George Paul gpaul2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:39:11 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed I don't know about websites, but 3 photos of a Gibson Gramophone may be seen on pages 58-59 of Discovering Antique Phonographs. George P. -Original Message- From: bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:27 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed An obvious misunderstanding. I had acquired a Victor Monarch Jr., that came with a Gibson (Sheet Metal type) traveling arm, that was missing the swivel pin, which I needed in order to make it functional . Ken from Wisconsin, was the only collector or supplier for that matter, that I was able to find that actually had a spare and he graciously sold it to me for a reasonable price. I never have owned a Gibson Phonograph. Is there any website where one of these rare Gibson's can be seen ? Bruce - Original Message - From: zonophone2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:11:15 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed hi bruce so there are three gibson phonographs now i know the oliphants and howard hazelcorn each have one is your complete zono -Original Message- From: bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:02 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed Wow, that is a tough one, an obscure late 20's Sonora phonograph, with an even ore obscure extension for the crank . George Volema at Great Lakes may be your est bet. There is also a fellow in Wisconsin, who is an avid Phonograph ollector, who has over the years managed to obtain, many odd and obscure parts s well. When I was looking for an odd rare part (the swivel pin) for a Gibson raveling Tone arm, he was the only one I could find in the entire U.S. honograph world that seemed to have one. When I come up with his name I will orward it to you. - Original Message - rom: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net o: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org ent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 9:25:41 PM ubject: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed Phono List: I am looking for another needle in a haystack however, this group has lways helped. I had a motor repaired with new springs and apparently I misplaced or lost a art! First of all, it is a Sonora floor model. On the underside of the lid it as: Tonalie sonora Clear as a bell I think it is a late 20s model as it has a similar cabinet design as my ictor VV-8-35, thus my guess at the year. Any info on the machine in general? I am missing an extension for the crank which attaches to the motor inding shaft and, if I recall correctly, is about 4' to 6' in length. The rank threads on the extension allowing the crank to function the distance rom the right cabinet wall to reach the motor. The extension part looked ike it was made from a wire or rod wound around to make the extension. So: Has anyone have an idea of what the *** I am trying to explain / describe? oreover, anyone have one to part with? Or a workable substitute. Thanks Bob ___ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Very Sad News
Thank you Brice, for letting us know about Bob's passing. I'm shocked - Bob always seemed so fit and healthy for the years I've known him. And he was, as you wrote, most generous with other collectors. In my case, he tolerated my many arcane questions in the course of researching various talking machines. Not only did he answer what he could immediately, but he would follow up days later with additional information - sometimes after disassembling machines in his collection. His heart was in our hobby, and he will indeed be missed. George Paul -Original Message- From: brice paris antqf...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:18 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Very Sad News I am very sad and upset that I must bring to you very sad news. Mr. Robert R. Johnson of the famous Mr. Victor Phonograph Museum, avid Oregon Duck fan and a friend to most of us in the phonograph world, was unable to beat the odds this time and passed away yesterday afternoon after a short illness. Bob was one of the most generous people that I have ever known, and I am sure that many of you have been on the receieving end of that at one time or another. He was always willing to take his time to help collectors and non collectors who contacted him with his knowledge of our hobby, often times giving parts to folks he really didn't know to help them put a machine together. He was a true gentleman who never let grass grow under his feet, he always kept moving. Words can not describe the shock and heavy hearts that Kathleen and I have loosing a friend such as Bob. Bob and Karen were inseparatable and always had a smile and greeting for anyone that they met.I ask that your thoughts and prayers go out to Karen and their two daughters Kelly and Keri as they attempt to deal with their loss. As many of you know when dealing with their personal lives they are relatively private. At this time, Karen has asked that you contact me directly with any phone calls and any questions and I will try my best to answer. I will also let everyone know when I have an address that they would want cards sent to or hear of what or if they are planning to have a Celebration of Life for Bob . He will be sorely missed by all of us. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Edison Spring Motor/Triumph Research
Once again, I want to thank the members of this list for all the help given me in studying Edison Spring-Motor and Triumph serial numbers and related data. The database I've developed now has just under 100 machines in it - - thank you! For those who haven't yet submitted data, please don't feel as if it's too late - your participation is most welcome! I'm especially interested in learning more about these machines: * Spring-Motors between #9859 and #19360. * Spring-Motors or Triumphs between #28295 and #31653. * Triumphs between #44551 and #45025. * Triumphs between #49752 and #50636. * Triumphs between #72775 and #75013. * Triumphs between #88249 and 89446. * Any Triumph over #91142. If you can supply data for any machines within these serial ranges, I'd be most appreciative. Thanks again for all the help I've received thus far. Best to all, George P. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] TV Show Abandoned Edison Amerola 5?
Interesting. The image appears to have been photoshopped with a mechanism from an Edison Standard A - reversed! Who says you can't believe advertising? George P. -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:52 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] TV Show Abandoned Edison Amerola 5? Yes, and here is the link to view it: http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/abandoned/videos/abandoned-sneak-peek/ From: tom...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:08:25 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] TV Show Abandoned Edison Amerola 5? I have seen an ad several times on the History Channel for a new show called Abandoned. Apparently these guys go into old buildings that have been abandoned for decades and look for treasures. One item that they show in the ad is an Edison floor model machine that they identify as an Edison Amberola V. You can clearly see that it has an internal horn, but they have imposed a witches hat horn on it as well. They value it at $2,300.00. Has anyone else seen this ad? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Spring Motor/Triumph Questionnaire
See below for info on my Triumph B. Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph 5092 Muskego Dr. Newaygo MI 49337-8556 231-652-5753 victr...@triton.net www.victroladoctor.com - Original Message - From: George Paul To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 6:49 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Spring Motor/Triumph Questionnaire If you own an Edison Spring Motor or Triumph, I'd very much appreciate your help. Below is a brief questionnaire. Please send your answers to me either by posting them here, or via email to gpaul2000 (at) aol (dot) com. If you'd like to be acknowledged in a future publication for your help, please include your name. If you'd prefer anonymity, please let me know. In either event, I'd very much appreciate any assistance you'd be willing to give. Finally, if you know or suspect that a particular machine has been assembled from different machines, or had certain parts replaced (such as the carriage), please note that as well. Thanks to all in advance, George P. Edison SpringMotor/Triumph Questionnaire 1) Serial number (found on top): #46081 2) Is serial number stamped in a plate, or a raised boss? ID plate 3) If stamped in a plate, what’s the last patent date? Nov 17 '03 4) Does straight edge (where front of reproducer carriagerides) have 2 screws? NO 5) Does the upper casting have lugs for Class M pulleywheels? NO 6) Which secures the endgate; a ball catch, or a lockinglug? Ball catch 7) Does carriage hold the reproducer with nickeled clips, ora single screw at 2:00 position? NO 8) Motor number (found stamped on front of motor frame): #31892 9) Are the motor gears solid or spoked? Solid 10) If there’s a plate below the mandrel, what exactly doesit say? None 11) Which does the cabinet have; a drawer, a banner decal,or an “Edison” script decal? Script decal 12) Are there any dated material with it? Invoices? Packing slips? Writing inside the lid? None Thanks for your help! George Paul ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Spring Motor/Triumph Questionnaire
Thanks very much George! It's unusual to find the earlier ball catch on a Triumph in the later cabinet, but they do show up around your serial number. Best, George -Original Message- From: George victr...@triton.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:43 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Spring Motor/Triumph Questionnaire See below for info on my Triumph B. Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph 5092 Muskego Dr. Newaygo MI 49337-8556 231-652-5753 victr...@triton.net www.victroladoctor.com - Original Message - From: George Paul To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 6:49 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Spring Motor/Triumph Questionnaire If you own an Edison Spring Motor or Triumph, I'd very much appreciate your help. Below is a brief questionnaire. Please send your answers to me either by posting them here, or via email to gpaul2000 (at) aol (dot) com. If you'd like to be acknowledged in a future publication for your help, please include your name. If you'd prefer anonymity, please let me know. In either event, I'd very much appreciate any assistance you'd be willing to give. Finally, if you know or suspect that a particular machine has been assembled from different machines, or had certain parts replaced (such as the carriage), please note that as well. Thanks to all in advance, George P. Edison SpringMotor/Triumph Questionnaire 1) Serial number (found on top): #46081 2) Is serial number stamped in a plate, or a raised boss? ID plate 3) If stamped in a plate, what’s the last patent date? Nov 17 '03 4) Does straight edge (where front of reproducer carriagerides) have 2 screws? NO 5) Does the upper casting have lugs for Class M pulleywheels? NO 6) Which secures the endgate; a ball catch, or a lockinglug? Ball catch 7) Does carriage hold the reproducer with nickeled clips, ora single screw at 2:00 position? NO 8) Motor number (found stamped on front of motor frame): #31892 9) Are the motor gears solid or spoked? Solid 10) If there’s a plate below the mandrel, what exactly doesit say? None 11) Which does the cabinet have; a drawer, a banner decal,or an “Edison” script decal? Script decal 12) Are there any dated material with it? Invoices? Packing slips? Writing inside the lid? None Thanks for your help! George Paul ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Spring Motor/Triumph Questionnaire
George was in a hurry! By the time this Triumph was built, the clips were no longer being supplied, so I already knew the answer. Just like the kind collectors who have cited a May 22, 1908 patent date. It's actually 1906, but that lettering is so tiny, it's an easy mistake. It's okay - I'm fixing the mistakes I find, and where something otherwise doesn't fit, I'm asking further questions. Thanks to everyone who has responded thus far! Best to all, George Paul -Original Message- From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Aug 6, 2012 1:38 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Spring Motor/Triumph Questionnaire How can the answer to question 7 be NO? It's a multiple choice question. Jim Nichol On Aug 6, 2012, at 8:28 AM, George victr...@triton.net wrote: See below for info on my Triumph B. Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph 5092 Muskego Dr. Newaygo MI 49337-8556 231-652-5753 victr...@triton.net www.victroladoctor.com - Original Message - From: George Paul To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 6:49 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Spring Motor/Triumph Questionnaire If you own an Edison Spring Motor or Triumph, I'd very much appreciate your help. Below is a brief questionnaire. Please send your answers to me either by posting them here, or via email to gpaul2000 (at) aol (dot) com. If you'd like to be acknowledged in a future publication for your help, please include your name. If you'd prefer anonymity, please let me know. In either event, I'd very much appreciate any assistance you'd be willing to give. Finally, if you know or suspect that a particular machine has been assembled from different machines, or had certain parts replaced (such as the carriage), please note that as well. Thanks to all in advance, George P. Edison SpringMotor/Triumph Questionnaire 1) Serial number (found on top): #46081 2) Is serial number stamped in a plate, or a raised boss? ID plate 3) If stamped in a plate, what’s the last patent date? Nov 17 '03 4) Does straight edge (where front of reproducer carriagerides) have 2 screws? NO 5) Does the upper casting have lugs for Class M pulleywheels? NO 6) Which secures the endgate; a ball catch, or a lockinglug? Ball catch 7) Does carriage hold the reproducer with nickeled clips, ora single screw at 2:00 position? NO 8) Motor number (found stamped on front of motor frame): #31892 9) Are the motor gears solid or spoked? Solid 10) If there’s a plate below the mandrel, what exactly doesit say? None 11) Which does the cabinet have; a drawer, a banner decal,or an “Edison” script decal? Script decal 12) Are there any dated material with it? Invoices? Packing slips? Writing inside the lid? None Thanks for your help! George Paul ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Edison Spring Motor/Triumph Questionnaire
If you own an Edison Spring Motor or Triumph, I'd very much appreciate your help. Below is a brief questionnaire. Please send your answers to me either by posting them here, or via email to gpaul2000 (at) aol (dot) com. If you'd like to be acknowledged in a future publication for your help, please include your name. If you'd prefer anonymity, please let me know. In either event, I'd very much appreciate any assistance you'd be willing to give. Finally, if you know or suspect that a particular machine has been assembled from different machines, or had certain parts replaced (such as the carriage), please note that as well. Thanks to all in advance, George P. Edison SpringMotor/Triumph Questionnaire 1) Serial number (found on top): 2) Is serial number stamped in a plate, or a raised boss? 3) If stamped in a plate, what’s the last patent date? 4) Does straight edge (where front of reproducer carriagerides) have 2 screws? 5) Does the upper casting have lugs for Class M pulleywheels? 6) Which secures the endgate; a ball catch, or a lockinglug? 7) Does carriage hold the reproducer with nickeled clips, ora single screw at 2:00 position? 8) Motor number (found stamped on front of motor frame): 9) Are the motor gears solid or spoked? 10) If there’s a plate below the mandrel, what exactly doesit say? 11) Which does the cabinet have; a drawer, a banner decal,or an “Edison” script decal? 12) Are there any dated material with it? Invoices? Packing slips? Writing inside the lid? Thanks for your help! George Paul ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Spring Motor/Triumph Questionnaire
Edison SpringMotor/ 1) Serial number (found on top): NONE 2) Is serial number stamped in a plate, or a raised boss? BOSS 3) If stamped in a plate, what’s the last patent date?XXX 4) Does straight edge (where front of reproducer carriagerides) have 2 screws? YES 5) Does the upper casting have lugs for Class M pulleywheels? YES 6) Which secures the endgate; a ball catch, or a lockinglug? BALL CATCH 7) Does carriage hold the reproducer with nickeled clips, ora single screw at 2:00 position?CLIPS 8) Motor number (found stamped on front of motor frame): 1430 9) Are the motor gears solid or spoked? SPOKED 10) If there’s a plate below the mandrel, what exactly doesit say? NO 11) Which does the cabinet have; a drawer, a banner decal,or an “Edison” script decal? DRAWER 12) Are there any dated material with it? Invoices? Packing slips? Writing inside the lid? US PHONO CO. NEWARK PLAQUE AND CRANK Thanks for your help! George Paul ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK....
Kenneth, It's thrilling to hear of your involvement with the AIDS Conference. I've not heard of the AHF but it sounds to me like it does stellar work. I too was thrilled when the President lifted that odious travel ban. Having been around when AIDS first hit, being somewhat involved in the fight for help, and remembering the feeling of abandonment we felt from our government, I am always grateful to people like you who go that extra mile. It really is a disgrace that our country with all the wealth and advances we have, we still leave the poor and the sick to the mercy of the market or charity. I think it's telling that the National Health Service was part of the opening ceremony at the Olympics. Keep up the good work and thank you for it too. Sincerely, George Glastris -Original Message- From: Ken aka: OnATorrent Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 10:57 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK John Robles along with everyone else, I don't think I said anything about it but I just returned from a 4 day visit to Washington DC, I attended the Internation AIDS Conference held every four years, where the AIDS Heath Care Foundation (AHF) paid for my travel, hotel stay, food and driver sence with my Avascular Necrosis would not beable to do all the walking that it would take if I was on foot and I am in need of a total left hip replacement. AHF is a interneation Not-For-Profit organization that covers 22 countrys, out of all 22 countries the USA is the only one that has Waiting List for people under insured, low income or without insurance at all. AHF requested me to speak at the conference so I had to prepair a 15 to 20 mintue speach and I address a croud in the conference room at the hotel I was staying in and there was roughly 1800 people that attended that gathering. I love doing things like this, as it gives me something positive to do and hope my efforts help reduce the number of newly infected people each year. The infection rage in the USA is averaged to about 1 person every 16 minutes. That for me and my view is just not acceptable and with all we know about HIV and how it is passed, the newly infected rate with in the USA is not acceptable. 30 years into the crisis and still not all people know how to protect themselves and education is a major part in prevention. I am so happy I was able and asked to do this. This is the first time the conference has been held in the USA. Before Obama lifted the ban on people with HIV/AIDS entering this country the conference has had to be held in other countries. I can honestly say I am very PROUD of what I do and it makes me happy to even know I might prevent even one person from becoming infected. My calling came after I helped one of my best long time friends die and watching this and how long and painful with all the suffering he went through I just knew I had to become involved and do something. I hope that this does not turn anyone off sence I know this is a scary and touchy subject and I have had negitive reactions from people before but I know and have seen how supporting the Phono Collecting community is and I am very thankful for that. I am also thankful that I am able to continue to collect phonographs and graphophones as this has been my 19 year passion and I just love it. Here in the small mile square town that I live in I was really happy to take some of my machines into the middle annd high school and educate and show the kids where there Cd's and other recording medium and where it all started from. I was very hard pressed to find even one kid that ever had seen, heard or every was taught the history of recorded sound. Here's wishing everyone good health and much happiness in the future, Kenneth Keeton PS: If it was not for my computer and android phone I would not have been able to keep up with the messages or post my own here on Phono-L while I was away. I am so thankful for that. From: John Robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK I'll look forward to it Ken. Be well, my friend. John On Jul 29, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Ken aka: OnATorrent onatorr...@yahoo.com wrote: You guys are so funny. Maybe it will save me from the loneliness of being single and in a rural mile square town and it being over 100 miles from the nearest city. Ho, John, I am getting a emial ready for you and will send it soon, I started on it last night and then my medications got to me and I felt really sick and went to bed. I will try and shoot it off tonight Buddy. Ken From: Carl Wright taeri...@att.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a screw for a BK
Re: [Phono-L] Why I never made it to Union
Tim, Many of us at Union were aware of your ordeal and you were in our prayers. Glad you're on the road to recovery and best wishes for renewed health very soon. George Paul -Original Message- From: Tim McCormick d...@themccormicks.com To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Jun 14, 2012 9:44 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Why I never made it to Union Folks, After weeks of preparation, time and expense I drove 4 ½ hours to Elgin, IL and checked into the Hampton Inn on Thursday evening. I was looking forward to spending Friday, Saturday and Sunday with friends at the worlds largest antique phonograph show hosted at Donleys Wild West Town in Union, IL. This was my best and last face-to-face opportunity to convince other talented individuals to replace me as President of the International Antique Phonograph Society and as Editor of our magazine In The Groove. About mid-way during my drive, I started feeling a little feverish and my stomach developed an ache, not really a pain. I was blaming it on a possible bad raison from the Trail Mix dried fruit I enjoyed the night before. I checked into the Elgin, IL Hampton Inn, and carried in my suitcase and some of the equipment I brought along for the Phonovention presentations. I started feeling worse, so I called it a night and went to bed at 8:00 p.m. At 9:30 or so, I knew there was something a dose of Pepto-Bismol just would not cure. I got up and dressed, but I could not stand up straight. As I walked the hallway from my hotel room to the front desk to ask for directions to the nearest hospital, knowing full well that Id never be able to drive there myself, I was met by a small group of fellow antique phonograph collectors who were headed to their rooms, and one person who was at that time a complete stranger to me, Bob Barnett, offered to drive me in his car to the hospital emergency room. He offered to stay with me until I was either dismissed or admitted - this was at 10:00 at night. I gave Bob, my new found friend, the keys to my truck and asked him to give them to the Hampton Inns front desk. I had to make some quick arrangements with HAPS President, Rich Buck, to empty my truck of all of the items I had prepared and brought with me for our trade show booth so it could be set up and ready for the event at 8:00 a.m. the following morning. Rich, John Hauger, Joan Rolfs and I am sure many others pitched in and completed what needed to be done in my absence. The CAT scan and blood tests proved that it was a ruptured, gangrenous appendix. I had the emergency surgery at 9:00 Friday morning as Union was getting underway. I was released from Sherman Hospital late Monday afternoon. To put it mildly, I was very disappointed to miss Union and Phonovention 2012. Rich Buck dropped by the hospital with a card prepared by Joan Rolfs and signed by several attendees and friends. He informed me that Phonovention was very successful and that Patrick Feasters presentation room was packed to capacity. Now that I am home, I am receiving cards in the mail and E-Mails from well-wishers with questions on what occurred, so I thought it best to let everyone know I am doing great and getting ready to start compiling the August / September Issue of In The Groove. Convalescingly Yours, Tim McCormick International / Michigan Antique Phonograph Society ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] L-Door Parts Wanted
I maybe able to help Mario. contact me off list with more details. Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph 5092 Muskego Dr. Newaygo MI 49337-8556 231-652-5753 victr...@triton.net www.victroladoctor.com - Original Message - From: Mario Frazzetto To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 12:00 AM Subject: [Phono-L] L-Door Parts Wanted Hi and I hope that all are well, I'm chasing some parts to complete a machine specifically a Horn (both the cast metal and wooden bell) and a motor board, maybe the motor but not entirely necessary. I also need the tone arm bracket. Please email me at: mari...@optusnet.com.au if you can be of assistance. Cheers, Mario ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Roller Wheel and Screw for Suitcase Standard or Home
Contact me off list Harvey for pricing. I have original parts in stock. victr...@triton.net As of 5/3 the shop will be closed for approximately 1 week. I'll try to keep up with emails someone will be present to accept packages. Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph 5092 Muskego Dr. Newaygo MI 49337-8556 231-652-5753 www.victroladoctor.com - Original Message - From: harvey kravitz To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 3:18 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Roller Wheel and Screw for Suitcase Standard or Home I am looking for the small roller wheel and screw for my 2 clip Suitcase Standard. This fits onto the carriage. If available, let know the price and shipping. Harvey Kravitz ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] Norcross Phonograph Co
I agree - and the Talking Machine Company's name on the record slip should be conclusive. The Norcross Jumbo would have had a Norcross record slip. George P. -Original Message- From: AllenAmet allena...@aol.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:53 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] Norcross Phonograph Co Given Douglass' close relationship to/with the Chicago company, I assume your cylinder is his - they came with a tan slip if I recall (with the rpm marked on it). Douglass was very interested in methods of increasing cyl volume, being (also) the inventor of the Polyphone. Allen --- In a message dated 4/21/2012 7:24:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mfkhanchal...@altrionet.com writes: So... Is the Chicago TTM Jumbo the Douglas creation ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] Norcross Phonograph Co
The Norcross Phonograph Company was founded by Issac W. Norcross in New York City in the late 1890s. Norcross made his own recordings and pantographically duplicated them for sale. He also marketed a now-rare Jumbo record, which was a standard-size cylinder. Norcross also was the target of several lawsuits brought by larger manufacturers who alleged that he was supplying pantograph machines to others who were copying Edison and Columbia cylinders. In 1908 Norcross marketed a Norcross Reproducer made especially for Indestructible cylinders. George P. -Original Message- From: Bill Taney b...@taney.com To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com; phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Apr 19, 2012 6:01 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] Norcross Phonograph Co Aren't they the predecessor to Oxford and Indestructable Bill From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Reply-To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:25 PM To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com, phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [phonolist] Norcross Phonograph Co Hello, A friend found the brown wax cylinder below, does anyone have any info on it? Steve Norcross Phonograph Co cylinder selection 60, Remberance of Thee by Samuel Siegel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Reply to sender mailto:steve_nor...@msn.com?subject=Re%3A%20Norcross%20Phonograph%20Co | Reply to group mailto:phonol...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Norcross%20Phonograph%20Co | Reply via web post http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxc2hlNjBtBF9TAzk3M zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBG1zZ0lkAzM4OTExBHNlYwNmd HIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTMzNDg3MDcxNQ--?act=replymessageNum=38911 | Start a New Topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJldDJtcmJkBF9TAzk3M zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc 3RpbWUDMTMzNDg3MDcxNQ-- Messages in this topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/message/38911;_ylc=X3oDMTM2NjRnM2Vy BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBG1zZ0lkAzM4OTEx BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTMzNDg3MDcxNQR0cGNJZAMzODkxMQ-- (1) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist;_ylc=X3oDMTJldmJxYW5kBF9TAzk3MzU5Nz E0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbW UDMTMzNDg3MDcxNQ-- http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZ2FhNTF0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyM jEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMzM0ODcwNzE1 Switch to: Text-Only mailto:phonolist-traditio...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional , Daily Digest mailto:phonolist-dig...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest Unsubscribe mailto:phonolist-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe Terms of Use http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . __,_._,___ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Columbia 9 platter wanted
I think I have a 10 cast iron Columbia TT. Is this what you are looking for? Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph 5092 Muskego Dr. Newaygo MI 49337-8556 231-652-5753 www.victroladoctor.com - Original Message - From: tnn...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 3:19 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia 9 platter wanted Am looking for a columbia platter. 9 3/4 With the tapered bottom fitting and hole on top. Please email details. Tx. Mike Sent from my iPhone ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
No, he was bidding against someone else...but not catching up. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on eBay. The interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. I call shilling. What do you think?? John Robles PAT 1898 EDISON STANDARD PHONOGRAPH WORKING MOTOR! SEE MY VIDEO! 110+ YEARS OLD! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Virus Link (was no subject)
Yes you are correct Loran Jerry did not post it intentionally. I contacted him as soon as I rec'd my first Spam from him. Someone had hijacked his email account. George - Original Message - From: Loran Hughes To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Virus Link (was no subject) I'm sorry that got out on the list - Phono-L has a pretty good track record of catching spam viruses. If you clicked on it, you will want to scan your computer. Jerry would not have posted that intentionally - someone has hijacked his email account. Regards, Loran On Feb 27, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Jim Nichol wrote: I seriously doubt that he posted that intentionally. One of the spammers must have grabbed his email address book, or taken over his computer. Jim On Feb 27, 2012, at 6:34 PM, jerry f bacon wrote: How Dare you put something like that on this list, I hope it does not give me a virus or something.I had to hit cancel or delete about ten times before I got away from it. Jerry F Bacon-Dallas,Tx ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Newton's Law to prevent hacking
There is another trick I learned years ago. Make the very first name in your address book something fake with a fake email that will immediately bounce back when sent. I watch my sent files several times a day most days so will know within a short period of time if someone is using my address book. Of course by then I've already been hacked, but at least I can put a stop to it right away too. Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph 5092 Muskego Dr. Newaygo MI 49337-8556 231-652-5753 www.victroladoctor.com - Original Message - From: Steven Medved To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 10:04 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Newton's Law to prevent hacking Hello to all, The key thing I have noted lately is when a person's e-mail is hacked there is (no subject) in the subject. There are two main types of hacking, the first someone discovers your e-mail password and send from you e-mail, this is easy to fix with a new password. I have used roboform for years and I have over 100 passwords, it really helps. The second type they just make it look like it came from your e-mail, but there is nothing in your sent box. This is embarassing, no one will intentionally send something like that on the list. If your password is weak add characters and read what the famous Mr. Newton has to say: Please read... this is important: There have been an increasing number of times over the past 6 months where spammers have signed up to email lists or managed to hack into mail list email accounts and thus making you a victim of this rapidly increasing spamming method. Here's how and what happens and how to prevent you falling for this: === A spammer hacks into your email account and uses it to send spam to your entire address book making it look like YOU have sent the spam. It is usually selling phony Viagra, other drugs, promoting porn sites or a make money fast scam, ALL of which are skillfully designed to part you with your hard earned money. If you have a fairly sizable address list the spammer will break up the list and send a number of different messages to cover your entire address book without raising undue suspicion. You won't probably know anything about this until it is too late or until someone advises you about the phony messages sent under your name, apparently by you. HOW TO DEAL WITH THIS AND STOP IT: = Once you become aware of this, you need to immediately sign in to your account, if you still can, and change to a secure password ASAP! The spammers usually don't change your password because they don't want to raise your suspicions that anything is out of the ordinary. They will keep coming back and send more spam under your name until YOU stop them! See below for what is secure for a new password. I suggest you immediately advise everyone in your email address book. Look in your SENT mail... you will likely see everyone who got the messages. You will probably receive bounced returns as well. If those returns were all out of your address book, you can bet the spammer sent to every one of them, a few at a time so as not to raise your ISP's suspicions with a pile of outgoing identical emails! You ask... how did they find your password? My bet is they did a dictionary attack. Was your password a small 6-8 character common word? You are one of many who has had this problem in the past few months. I'd give your friends a heads up... remember the spammer now has ALL their addresses and you can bet they'll be doing dictionary attacks on them as well. If you don't change your password, they'll be back with more spam. Change it to something secure from a dictionary attack... use something like:- apple*sauce other symbols are also good~^+=| Two words separated by a symbol is secure (but don't use my example!). Oh yes... If you haven't had this happen to you, AND you still use a weak password on your email account, then it is only a matter of time before a spammer rolls you over! They love email accounts because they usually lead to a pile of email address that they can use to send their drivel to. Go to your email account NOW WHILE YOU THINK ABOUT THIS CHANGE YOUR PASSWORD TO SOMETHING SECURE! I've written about this before recently, and people who ignored my warning have since been taken by the spammers... you can bet there will be more! ... Graham Newton ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_?
I always wear sneakers and rubber work gloves! George P. -Original Message- From: Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Feb 16, 2012 7:23 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_? I have a Jones Motrola I'm trying to rewire, but I read that they can be dangerous in their original ungrounded state? Any ideas on how I can deal with this? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Philip Carli This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Berliner - Do you think this is legit?
And it's been on once before from the same seller in Lithuania. He started it as an auction then changed it to Buy It Now at the price you paid. Something smells very fishy...personally, I'd try to cancel the sale now. - Original Message - From: Dennis Back back...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Berliner - Do you think this is legit? I did a quick google on a phrase from the auction description. Motor is fairly quite for this type of a machine. I found this: http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/antique-berliner-phonograph-110489235 The seller's location of Lithuania was not a good sign to begin with. Sorry about the news. Good luck, and keep us informed. Dennis --- On Sun, 1/29/12, Eric Boyles phonosju...@att.net wrote: From: Eric Boyles phonosju...@att.net Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Berliner - Do you think this is legit? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, January 29, 2012, 11:27 AM *http://tinyurl.com/7xs7jwf* Ebay auction 170773607299 Full disclosure, I was the winner. I paid via Paypal with a CC so if it is a issue then I have some form or protection. $400 including shipping was worth the risk of fighting over it later. I have a email into the seller. I will ask for the serial number on the reproducer. Eric ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison GEM Model B 1903
From what I know, approx. 80% of Gem production went to the UK, hence they are much more common over there than here. The spun aluminum horn was the standard horn for most Gems until the polygonal ones came out. The Edison-Bell tags were only on the machines which had to be sold by them. I think the patents they controlled expired in 1905 so machines after that were sold after that. Hope this helps. George - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:26 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison GEM Model B 1903 I recently acquired a GEM in fantastic condition - 90-95%, in good working order and correct C reproducer. The story that I was told is this: It came from a family who apparently moved from London to North Carolina. It has the typical GEM ID tag, not Edison-Bell, but supposedly has the original horn, which is spun aluminum with a brass collar and is marked Warranted London Made. Does anyone have any info about these machines that were sold in England? Is this the correct type of horn, or would it have shipped with the tin version, or no horn at all and then fitted with this type?Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Wanting source for the George L. Frow cylinder DiamondDisk books
You might try Allen Koenigsberg in NY. I have an older flyer from him here. His phone is/was 718-941-6835 Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph 5092 Muskego Dr. Newaygo MI 49337-8556 231-652-5753 www.victroladoctor.com - Original Message - From: Bob Maffit To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 10:04 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Wanting source for the George L. Frow cylinder DiamondDisk books Phono folks: I was visiting a friend this week-end and discussing his newly found passion for phonos. Previously I had mentioned a few books he should obtain, which included the two George L. Frow books, cylinders Diamond Disk. . I directed him to Main Spring Press, which didn't apparently sell them. Could someone direct me to a source for the two wonderful books? How much do they go for these days? Later Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Fireside -
I should have both request in stock. Contact me off list for details. Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph 5092 Muskego Dr. Newaygo MI 49337-8556 231-652-5753 www.victroladoctor.com - Original Message - From: Anthony J. Caruso To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 5:52 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Fireside - Hello all - I am looking for a carriage arm and a set of lid hasps for an Edison Fireside model A. The carriage arm is the style that has the little pin in the front. The one on the machine I refinished appears to have had an.accident. Please feel free to contact me if you have one or both of these items for sale. Thanks, AJC ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Eagle Graphophone Research
Have another for you that just come in. See below please. Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph 5092 Muskego Dr. Newaygo MI 49337-8556 231-652-5753 www.victroladoctor.com I want to thank everyone who has responded so far with data on their Eagle Graphophones. I currently have 27 machines on a data base, but I'm certain there are many more in collections out there. If you haven't yet responded with your Eagle data, I'd sincerely appreciate hearing from you! 1) Serial number: --- 106846 2) 4 rubber feet or 3? --- Three on wood base 3) Spring barrels secured by plates or by tabs? --- Plates 4) Is the 3rd gear the same thickness as the 1st gear? --- NO 5) Which cities/addresses are listed on the lid decal? 1155, 1157, 1159 Broadway NY 6) Is the lid handle all wood, or are there metal end caps? --- All wood 7) Is there a decal on the rear of the lid? If so, which exhibitions are listed? -- NO 8) Are there any tiny letter stamped in the metal baseplate? --- No 9) Is a mandrel tag present? --- No does not look like it ever had one, but my guess is this one is not a virgin 10) Is the belt cover plain or stamped? --- Plain Thanks again for your help, George P. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Eagle Graphophone Research
George, Thanks a bunch for the additional data. That makes 48 now in the database. I appreciate all your help. Best, George -Original Message- From: George victr...@triton.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, Nov 22, 2011 1:14 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Eagle Graphophone Research Have another for you that just come in. See below please. Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph 5092 Muskego Dr. Newaygo MI 49337-8556 231-652-5753 www.victroladoctor.com I want to thank everyone who has responded so far with data on their Eagle Graphophones. I currently have 27 machines on a data base, but I'm certain there are many more in collections out there. If you haven't yet responded with your Eagle data, I'd sincerely appreciate hearing from you! 1) Serial number: --- 106846 2) 4 rubber feet or 3? --- Three on wood base 3) Spring barrels secured by plates or by tabs? --- Plates 4) Is the 3rd gear the same thickness as the 1st gear? --- NO 5) Which cities/addresses are listed on the lid decal? 1155, 1157, 1159 Broadway NY 6) Is the lid handle all wood, or are there metal end caps? --- All wood 7) Is there a decal on the rear of the lid? If so, which exhibitions are listed? -- NO 8) Are there any tiny letter stamped in the metal baseplate? --- No 9) Is a mandrel tag present? --- No does not look like it ever had one, but my guess is this one is not a virgin 10) Is the belt cover plain or stamped? --- Plain Thanks again for your help, George P. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] zonophonie parts needed
Can you get two sets of those parts? I need them too! George P. -Original Message- From: zonophone2006 zonophone2...@aol.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Nov 17, 2011 12:02 pm Subject: [Phono-L] zonophonie parts needed hi all i am looking for any of the following for a late c zono national gramophone / universal i need a set of tone arms repro fine the bolt for them a governor for a late c zono national phonograph possiblya crank or reproducer thanks to all zono ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Eagle Graphophone Research
Thanks Earl - - I appreciate your data. Are you sure your base has only 3 rubber feet underneath? On such an early production machine I would have expected 4. Thanks for your kind words. I usually attend the Wayne show, but I missed it last month. I'll probably be there in the spring. We all should be wearing name tags! Best, George -Original Message- From: Earl Reynolds uv_2...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Nov 3, 2011 6:46 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Eagle Graphophone Research Hello George , Thanks for the reminder here is the info on my machine : 1 = 80118 2 = 3 feet 3 = 2 tabs with 4 screws each tab 4 = thinner almost 1/2 as thick 5 = 1155 , 1157 , and 1159 Broadway , New York ,N.Y. 6 = handle is all wood 7 = no decal on the rear of the lid 8 = no nothing stamped into the base plate 9 = no mandrel tag present 10 = mine came to me with no belt cover ( I have purched one on Ebay and installed it that one is stamped ) Thank You for all you do for the phonograph collecting community I enjoy your books , and if you ever get a chance to go to the Wayne phono show I'd like to say Hello . Earl Reynolds 2001 Wilshire CT. Hillsborough NJ. 08844 From: George Paul gpaul2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Eagle Graphophone Research I want to thank everyone who has responded so far with data on their Eagle Graphophones. I currently have 27 machines on a data base, but I'm certain there are many more in collections out there. If you haven't yet responded with your Eagle data, I'd sincerely appreciate hearing from you! 1) Serial number: 2) 4 rubber feet or 3? 3) Spring barrels secured by plates or by tabs? 4) Is the 3rd gear the same thickness as the 1st gear? 5) Which cities/addresses are listed on the lid decal? 6) Is the lid handle all wood, or are there metal end caps? 7) Is there a decal on the rear of the lid? If so, which exhibitions are listed? 8) Are there any tiny letter stamped in the metal baseplate? 9) Is a mandrel tag present? 10) Is the belt cover plain or stamped? Thanks again for your help, George P. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist
Well I'm sorry, but I was wrong about the louvers. All I have is a drawer for one of these beast. No cabinet, louvers or anything else. Picked it up at an auction one time. I was thinking I had the whole top portion of the desk. Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph 5092 Muskego Dr. Newaygo MI 49337-8556 231-652-5753 www.victroladoctor.com - Original Message - From: The Farmers To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist But, just replying Yes or No does very little to get the sale going. It just would require a legitimate buyer to have to ask more questions and drags out the process. For a much better response I'd include my phone number, address, when a good time might be to pick it up, plus anything else I might want to add about the item, so then the buyer has all the info they need to determine when/if they want to actually buy it. Another point is if a seller see several responses in their inbox, they pretty much need to determine which one to respond to first in order to avoid having 2 buyers showing up at the same time. I'd respond to whoever seems most interested and might also consider who is located the closest. Someone who just wants to know if it is still available, especially within an hour of when I just listed it, won't hear from me. As I said in an earlier post, none of the 'Is it still available poeple' that I've responded to ever replied back to actually try to buy anything. So my opinion is that if someone just wants to know if it is still available and has no intention of buying it, then the availability of my item is none of their business, so I'm not going to bother just answering Yes or No. --- Greg - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist The only reply recommended/required to the question is this item still available? is Yes or No. If that pomps the Nigerian scammer reply then the delete key works well. One of the problems with selling just about anything is if you really intend to sell it you will be in contact with people who you would not ever know existed or want to associate with. As the general population density increases in any market area the pest density increases proportionally. On 10/22/2011 08:45 AM, William Zucca wrote: Sure, but what's the point of engaging in discussion with a scam artist. Not knowing what was going on the first time this happened to me I did just that and got a lot of double-talk back from the scammer. GrnMountainMill On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Richrich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: If someone sends you an e-mail question regarding your Craigslist For Sale item you have their e-mail address already, just hit reply, type your answer, and hit send. On 10/22/2011 07:38 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: You are right, anyone with an interest would include a phone number or email address... this is weird. It sounds like some type of phishing scam to get your info. From: g...@usfamily.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 23:44:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist Yes. Here's the complete message I received for something I'm selling on Craigslist right now: I won't bother responding to it. If 'Liz' was really interested she'd include her phone # or say a little more to let me know she actually wants it. Hi! Is this still for sale?! Liz -- Greg - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visionsvinyl.visions@live.**comvinyl.visi...@live.com To:phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist I should clarify: when I ask if the item is still available, I at least describe the item that I am inquiring about. Are you guys saying that people just send out random inquiries for no reason? From: g...@usfamily.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:51:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist When selling on Craigslist, I never bother replying to anyone who just asks if it is still available. I used to do that and never sold anything to any of those people anyway. They need to also include SOMETHING that indicates they actually read my for sale posting and know what the item is that they are asking about. -- Greg - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visionsvinyl.visions@live.**comvinyl.visi
Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Regent Desk Louver
Hi Greg I may have something I'll take a look at the other warehouse latter this week and contact you off list. Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph 5092 Muskego Dr. Newaygo MI 49337-8556 231-652-5753 www.victroladoctor.com - Original Message - From: The Farmers To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:11 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia Regent Desk Louver I just picked up a Columbia Regent Desk phonograph that is missing a louver. The phonograph is on one end of the desk, and the horn points out the other end, with two adjustable louvers covering it, that you can adjust with a knob to change the volume. Actually, I thought both louvers were missing, but I found one buried inside the cabinet. These pivoted on a pin, and that area on this louver is broken out, so it actually would be nice to find a pair of good louvers, but if I can only find one then I'll have to patch up this one. The louver is dark colored mahogany, measuring 14-7/8 x 3 inches, and is 9/32-inch thick. Does anyone have one or two of these? I could also use the linkage that connected them to the adjustment knob. Thanks, Greg Farmer ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Lusitania
Are you referring to the Roycrofters records that included old English folk songs? I have some of those and they were recorded very late in the Roycroft era, about 1930 if I'm not mistaken. That was, obviously, well after Hubbard's death. Roycroft material went down in quality after his death and the end of the Arts Crafts era. - Original Message - From: zonophone2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lusitania there is also a record album and records for elbert hubbard also i found the album with records in vermont interesting but not exciting In a message dated 9/20/2011 6:25:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, steve_nor...@msn.com writes: And just to add to thatElbert Hubbard was on his way to England, on the Lusitania, to speak out against World War I, when it was sunk by the Germans..he didn't survive. Monday, August 08, 2011AN AMERICAN multi-millionaire has moved a step closer to realising one of his life’s great ambitions — solving the enduring mystery of the sinking of the Lusitania. Gregg Bemis, 83, who has owned the wreck since 1968, oversaw operations off the south coast on Saturday as divers began cutting through the hull of the wreck. It was 25 nautical miles south of the Old Head of Kinsale en route from New York to Liverpool in May 1915 when it was hit under its bridge by a torpedo fired from a German U-boat. The explosion triggered a mystery secondary explosion which ripped the hull of the 790ft (241m) vessel apart. It sank by the head in less than 18 minutes, killing 1,198 of the 1,959 people on board, including 39 children and dozens of Americans. The sinking caused massive controversy because the vessel was carrying civilian passengers, including eminent and wealthy politicians, artists, the art collector Hugh Lane, academics and businessmen. Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfgbmhojidcw/rss2/#ixzz1YX2wRsEr http://www.archaeology.org/0901/trenches/lusitania.html The nearly century-old debate about whether the passenger liner Lusitania was transporting British war munitions when torpedoed by a German U-boat is over. Physical evidence of just such a cargo has been recovered from the wreck, which rests 12 miles off the Irish coast in 300 feet of murky, turbulent water. Bullets from the ship now confirm it was carrying military cargo. Lusitania was sunk off County Cork on May 7, 1915. The attack killed 1,198 people, including 128 Americans, and helped push the United States into World War I. Ever since the ship went down, there have been suspicions that Lusitania was carrying live munitions. Under the rules of war, that would have made the liner a legitimate target, as the Germans maintained at the time. The British government has always been evasive about the presence of munitions on Lusitania. Two cargo manifests were submitted; the second, filed after the ship sailed, indicated there were light munitions on board. Some believe the ship was carrying much more, however, and that the British Navy attempted to destroy the wreck in the 1950s to conceal its military cargo. Now a team led by County Waterford-based diver Eoin McGarry, on behalf of Lusitania's American owner, Gregg Bemis, has recovered live ammunition from the wreck. Bemis was granted a five-year license in 2007 by the Irish government to conduct limited excavations at the site. He originally bought the vessel in 1968 for $2,400 from the Liverpool London War Risks Insurance Association. This past September, Bemis's team used a remotely operated vehicle to penetrate the wreck. They were able to clearly identify a vast amount of ammunition in an area of Lusitania not believed to have carried cargo. The Remington .303 caliber bullets the team discovered on the ship had been used by the British military during World War I. Ten of the bullets were brought to the surface. Further research needs to be conducted, but if the discovered ammunition was found in an area where cargo was not known to be stored on board, it strongly supports the argument that the Lusitania was functioning as more than a passenger liner, says Fionnbar Moore, senior archaeologist with the Underwater Archaeology Unit of the Irish Department of Environment, which monitored the dive. The bullets are in the hands of Irish authorities, who under maritime law are now responsible for establishing their owner. Further expeditions will search for additional evidence of munitions. The charge that the Lusitania was carrying war materiel is valid, says Bemis. She was a legitimate target for the German submarine. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Gem 2 4 conversion question
Al, I have a boxed conversion attachment, and you are correct, this one is missing the knob and intermediate gear. Sadly, my kit is missing the knob and gear as well, but I have the instructions and it clearly shows it and states how to put it on. So, whoever buys this piece won't be able to play 4-minute cylinders on their Gem. Best, George - Original Message - From: clockworkh...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 4:17 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Gem 2 4 conversion question Greetings Everyone: I have had a somewhat negative interaction with eBay seller eschalpin who is selling a Gem 2 - 4 minute conversion gearing. He claims the unit is complete. I asked how you change the gearing speeds and he told me not to send him anymore emails. I believe the 'complete' unit is missing the knob and dual size intermediate gear that does the shifting. Since eschalpin of the District of Columbia won't answer the question I thought I would query this learned group. How does one get two gear speeds on eBay item 250883944435 Thanks, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
