Re: [Phono-L] American Record Labels book
The book has been out of print for a while but Alan Sutton has said he has been working on a revised edition. A few promised dates have come and gone but other projects took precedence is what I understand. I presume it's getting close. I have the 2000 edition. It's a great book but I'm also waiting for this revised book to come out. Glenn www.majesticrecord.com From: Merle Sprinzen msprin...@gmail.com To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] American Record Labels book Here's the book, but I see it's out of print and couldn't find it on the Mainspring Press website either: http://www.amazon.com/American-Record-Labels-Companies-Encyclopedia/dp/09671 81909 -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bob Maffit Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 4:16 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] American Record Labels book Phono Listers: Previously I got an American history Of Record Labels or something like that from Main Spring Press however, had a friend look and we can't seem to find the book. I likely have the title wrong, and I think it was by Sutton Knoxss (?) Does anyone know the exact title and where to get one? Later Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Just in time for Christmas... Edison Phonograph No.6
No one has mentioned his other item up for bid - Phonograph Victory It's a VV-IX for only $750. Glenn www.majesticrecord.com From: zonophone2...@aol.com zonophone2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 5:31 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Just in time for Christmas... Edison Phonograph No.6 that is very rare maybe the smithsonian has a place for it -Original Message- From: clockworkhome clockworkh...@aol.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Dec 23, 2013 5:04 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Just in time for Christmas... Edison Phonograph No.6 Seasons Greetings: For only $1,000 you can own an Edison Phonograph No.6 now on eBay! How some sellers can offer things without knowing a thing about them is beyond me. This Amberola 30 has the very rare 'oil spout funnel' horn. It would be funny but this seller really thinks the thing is worth the $1,000 opening bid. If someone bites then I will be truly astounded. See eBay item # 281232163262 Merry Christmas to all, may you find something with a crank handle under the tree, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Searching for 4m Amberol 682
You probably found it already but here's something on him. http://sdrc.lib.uiowa.edu/traveling-culture/chau1/pdf/kellerman/2/brochure.pdf I just found that I transferred the DD version prior to sending it out. It's probably just a dub of the cylinder but, as I said, it had lam cracks so doesn't sound that good. Glenn From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, December 7, 2013 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Searching for 4m Amberol 682 Hi Glenn. A dear friend of mine is Kellerman's great great grandson, so I wanted to paly it for him.. I have downloaded the mp3 file and put it on a flash drive for him, but there is something cool about seeing someone's face when you play a cylinder of their ancestor! From: Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Searching for 4m Amberol 682 Sorry, don't have the cylinder but did find the record at an estate sale once. It has lamination cracks and was unplayable but bought it anyway. The reason is because I worked with a guy who's related to him and by chance he mentioned it to me one day. So when I saw it I had to buy it. I sent it to him to frame and put it next to a picture of Kellerman he had. I believe that was one of only two recordings he made commercially. Has anyone seen a copy of 50067 before? I was under the impression when I looked it up that this was rejected for commercial release on DD so thought that what I found might have been a test pressing. Glenn www.majesticrecord.com From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 2:41 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Searching for 4m Amberol 682 Can anyone hook me up with Edison Wax Amberol 682, Danny Deever, sung by Marcus Kellerman? He also sang it on Edison Diamond Disc 50067. But since I don't have a DD machine at the moment, I much prefer the cylinder. Thanks! john Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Searching for 4m Amberol 682
Sorry, don't have the cylinder but did find the record at an estate sale once. It has lamination cracks and was unplayable but bought it anyway. The reason is because I worked with a guy who's related to him and by chance he mentioned it to me one day. So when I saw it I had to buy it. I sent it to him to frame and put it next to a picture of Kellerman he had. I believe that was one of only two recordings he made commercially. Has anyone seen a copy of 50067 before? I was under the impression when I looked it up that this was rejected for commercial release on DD so thought that what I found might have been a test pressing. Glenn www.majesticrecord.com From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 2:41 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Searching for 4m Amberol 682 Can anyone hook me up with Edison Wax Amberol 682, Danny Deever, sung by Marcus Kellerman? He also sang it on Edison Diamond Disc 50067. But since I don't have a DD machine at the moment, I much prefer the cylinder. Thanks! john Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: [ARSCLIST] Wonderful new web resources
Agreed. WOW. This is great to see for easy research access. For me I went straight to Talking Machine World looking for 1916 and 1917 which are the two big years for me in doing some research and these are the only two missing years between 1905-1928! Oh well. I'm sure in time they will come. Glenn www.majesticrecord.com From: srsel...@aol.com srsel...@aol.com To: Phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2013 11:01 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Fwd: [ARSCLIST] Wonderful new web resources All I can say is WOW! Not only all the EPMs but look at what else. Below is a posting from Sam Brylawski from the ARSCList - which I'm sure many of you PHONO collectors are not on. Steve Ramm I don't recall reading an announcement of this here. If I'm mistaken I hope you'll agree that it's well worth a new mention. The great Media History Project that scans media serials for the Internet Archive, and provides a handy front end for them, has added runs of Talking Machine World; the 1896 Phonoscope; and the Edison Phonograph Monthly to its already rich holdings. http://mediahistoryproject.org/broadcasting/ Congrats and thanks to David Pierce (author of the important and just-published survey of extant silent films) and his team, and the staff of the LC Recorded Sound Reference Center. Have fun. My apologies to your families. Sam Brylawski ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Lyric 8108, interested in label scans or transfer
No, I didn't. However, I will likely be in touch with him and Allan Sutton once I receive the record I want to compare to Lyric 8108. It's on the way to me, hopefully in one piece... Here's the record here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/291014454135?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649 The side with no label has the slight possibility of being from a Lyric master. If so, it's possible this is the work of Clarion as Jacques Kohner started that after he left Lyraphone. If that's the case then there's no wonder why this label never got off the ground - a vertical cut record from 1921 would have been a bad business decision! Have yet to find anything on Electronic Phonograph Corporation in New York. Have found Electric Phonograph Company in Kalamazoo though. So I'll be try to figure out where both of these sides came from. Thanks, Glenn www.majesticrecord.com From: zonophone2...@aol.com zonophone2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 5:39 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lyric 8108, interested in label scans or transfer hi did you check with kurt knauck at 78rpm i am sure he must have a picture of it zono -Original Message- From: Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, Nov 19, 2013 2:02 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Lyric 8108, interested in label scans or transfer I'm interested to know if anyone has Lyric 8108 or, at a minimum, an image of the labels. This is the vertical cut brand from Lyraphone. As far as a transfer, if anyone owns the record, I'm most interested in the A side. As for who the artist(s) is I don't know. It was probably announced either July or August 1917. I'm trying to compare against another unlabeled record of which, I believe, only the A side of this Lyric record was used, to see if it's the same matrix. I have 8107 and 8109 but haven't come across a sighting of 8108 yet. Thanks for any help. Glenn www.majesticrecord.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Correction (8103!) Re: Lyric 8108, interested in label scans or transfer
Well, the record arrived at lunchtime. If you looked at the ebay listing the seller said 8103 but I looked at the picture and really thought it was 8108. It was 8103! So, I do have 8103 by chance. The side without the label is actually Lyric 8103B. The markings on the B side show both 8103A and 8103B. Someone must have been confused! Anyway, it's Medley of National Airs by Lyric Symphony Orchestra. The markings between the two records is a little different so it could be a different take. More comparison needs to be done. BUT, it does show a link between Lyraphone and this unknown Peerless label, possibly an attempt by Clarion. I have yet to attempt figuring out the side with the label, which has nothing to do with the 8103 Lyric. A first, quick check shows that it plays equally well (or bad actually) with a vertical as well as lateral setup. Glenn www.majesticrecord.com From: Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lyric 8108, interested in label scans or transfer No, I didn't. However, I will likely be in touch with him and Allan Sutton once I receive the record I want to compare to Lyric 8108. It's on the way to me, hopefully in one piece... Here's the record here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/291014454135?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649 The side with no label has the slight possibility of being from a Lyric master. If so, it's possible this is the work of Clarion as Jacques Kohner started that after he left Lyraphone. If that's the case then there's no wonder why this label never got off the ground - a vertical cut record from 1921 would have been a bad business decision! Have yet to find anything on Electronic Phonograph Corporation in New York. Have found Electric Phonograph Company in Kalamazoo though. So I'll be try to figure out where both of these sides came from. Thanks, Glenn www.majesticrecord.com From: zonophone2...@aol.com zonophone2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 5:39 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lyric 8108, interested in label scans or transfer hi did you check with kurt knauck at 78rpm i am sure he must have a picture of it zono -Original Message- From: Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, Nov 19, 2013 2:02 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Lyric 8108, interested in label scans or transfer I'm interested to know if anyone has Lyric 8108 or, at a minimum, an image of the labels. This is the vertical cut brand from Lyraphone. As far as a transfer, if anyone owns the record, I'm most interested in the A side. As for who the artist(s) is I don't know. It was probably announced either July or August 1917. I'm trying to compare against another unlabeled record of which, I believe, only the A side of this Lyric record was used, to see if it's the same matrix. I have 8107 and 8109 but haven't come across a sighting of 8108 yet. Thanks for any help. Glenn www.majesticrecord.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Lyric 8108, interested in label scans or transfer
Very interesting indeed. I think you have helped solve the puzzle. According to Sutton's book there was a Phonolamp label but not until 1921. However, the Electric Phonograph Corporation had been around since 1916. So that probably pegs this disc to when vertical was still a viable option so likely pressed by Lyraphone, not Clarion. This being what looks like a test pressing I wonder if this label ever got off the ground. It's not in the American Record Labels book by Sutton/Nauck. Thanks, Glenn www.majesticrecord.com From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lyric 8108, interested in label scans or transfer There is an Electric Phonograph Corporation stock certificate, circa 1918, on the below site - says they were the makers of the Phonolamp http://scripophily.net/elphoncor.html - Original Message - From: Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lyric 8108, interested in label scans or transfer No, I didn't. However, I will likely be in touch with him and Allan Sutton once I receive the record I want to compare to Lyric 8108. It's on the way to me, hopefully in one piece... Here's the record here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/291014454135?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649 The side with no label has the slight possibility of being from a Lyric master. If so, it's possible this is the work of Clarion as Jacques Kohner started that after he left Lyraphone. If that's the case then there's no wonder why this label never got off the ground - a vertical cut record from 1921 would have been a bad business decision! Have yet to find anything on Electronic Phonograph Corporation in New York. Have found Electric Phonograph Company in Kalamazoo though. So I'll be try to figure out where both of these sides came from. Thanks, Glenn ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Lyric 8108, interested in label scans or transfer
I'm interested to know if anyone has Lyric 8108 or, at a minimum, an image of the labels. This is the vertical cut brand from Lyraphone. As far as a transfer, if anyone owns the record, I'm most interested in the A side. As for who the artist(s) is I don't know. It was probably announced either July or August 1917. I'm trying to compare against another unlabeled record of which, I believe, only the A side of this Lyric record was used, to see if it's the same matrix. I have 8107 and 8109 but haven't come across a sighting of 8108 yet. Thanks for any help. Glenn www.majesticrecord.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Anyone looking for a Brunswick upright #117 in CA?
I was contacted by a woman who is looking to part with a Brunswick as she's forced to downsize. She is in CA and would like to sell by the end of year. She can be contacted at: byronmoss_phys.hlth at charter dot net Cheers, Glenn www.majesticrecord.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] New Antique Phonograph Society Announcement
I posted this on 78-l but got no response. However, I've come to realize over the years that the folks on the phono forums are more likely to own these obscure vertical cut records. So, I now ask here as well. Does anyone have catalog number 123 of Majestic, the U.S. vertical cut record from 1916? The tunes are: 123-A Daddy by Bettye Shaw 123-B Barcarolle from Tales of Hoffman by Gramm Trio I'm interested in the matrix number on side B. I picked up my first copy of this record and in the dead wax it shows 2nd 123 and 10046-2. The matrix of 10046 makes sense but it's the 2nd 123 that has me intrigued that there is another pressing of this song with a different matrix. Many of the early Majestics didn't even have a matrix number so perhaps the first one didn't show it and those that do I've never seen this nomenclature used. While I'm asking I'll make my annual call for whether anyone has any Majestics they want to write me off-list about either to trade, sell or even just tell me what they have as I look to still determine if all records were released that were announced. Thanks. You can use the email address found on my website below. Glenn www.majesticrecord.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Vertical cut Majestic record - 123
Oops - forgot to change subject line when using reply to get the email address... From: Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2013 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Antique Phonograph Society Announcement I posted this on 78-l but got no response. However, I've come to realize over the years that the folks on the phono forums are more likely to own these obscure vertical cut records. So, I now ask here as well. Does anyone have catalog number 123 of Majestic, the U.S. vertical cut record from 1916? The tunes are: 123-A Daddy by Bettye Shaw 123-B Barcarolle from Tales of Hoffman by Gramm Trio I'm interested in the matrix number on side B. I picked up my first copy of this record and in the dead wax it shows 2nd 123 and 10046-2. The matrix of 10046 makes sense but it's the 2nd 123 that has me intrigued that there is another pressing of this song with a different matrix. Many of the early Majestics didn't even have a matrix number so perhaps the first one didn't show it and those that do I've never seen this nomenclature used. While I'm asking I'll make my annual call for whether anyone has any Majestics they want to write me off-list about either to trade, sell or even just tell me what they have as I look to still determine if all records were released that were announced. Thanks. You can use the email address found on my website below. Glenn www.majesticrecord.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Special Edition Columbia Record???
According to Note the Notes, a book by Michael Sherman and Kurt Nauck there was a series of these pictorial labels in 1916 and early 1917 to benefit Austrian and German widows and orphans during the war. The series ended when we declared war on Germany. I presume this is one of those series. The patent dates listed the way they are has this record fall into that time frame. Glenn From: zonophone2...@aol.com zonophone2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, November 13, 2012 3:33:36 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Special Edition Columbia Record??? KURT ARE YOU LOOKING he knows most records you can also contact him at na...@78rpm.com he runs a good auction zono -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, Nov 13, 2012 10:59 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Special Edition Columbia Record??? A few days ago, I posted this inquiry about an unusual Columbia record that I found. Someone out there must know something about this record and its history... Here are pics of the front and back: http://open1234.wix.com/camps-site#!__columbia-record Any info would be appreciated, Curt From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 00:10:35 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Special Edition Columbia Record??? I found a 12 one sided Columbia record which has a picture of Kaiser Wilhelm II on the label, with the phrases Gruss an den Kaiser - (Greetings to the Emperor) and Gott mit uns - (God with us). The number is 59408 - last patent date is Nov. 30, 1909 and the title is: Dem Deutschen Kaiser Gewidmet Von Dem Mozart-Verein in New York - (Dedicated to the German Emperor Of The Mozart Club in New York). The label is a very detailed and attractive one and the record was made in the US - I can provide pics if necessary. Does anyone have any info to shed some light on this? Curt Angstman ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
Regarding the crank on Standards. My Standard A has the slotted crank as I thought they all did. So I checked Frow's book and he also says the A had a slotted crank. The Standard B's had threaded cranks. Is it possible your banner machine is the early Standard B that had the banner? My early B with banner has the threaded crank. The easiest way to tell if you have an A or B banner is whether the speed control knob is present above the bedplate on the front left of the machine. If it's there it's a Standard A. The B is also taller but that's not easy to tell if you don't have both machines to compare. Glenn From: Bill Taney b...@taney.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, March 3, 2012 7:21:18 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? It's probably someone who doesn't know what the machine is worth, they both have lots of feedback (the bidders). I can't imagine paying more than 500 bucks for that machine. The one interesting thing of note is that it has a slotted crank, not threaded. My banner standard A has a threaded crank and so have all the others I have seen. It must be relatively early. On 3/3/12 6:01 AM, George Glastris glast...@comcast.net wrote: No, he was bidding against someone else...but not catching up. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on eBay. The interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. I call shilling. What do you think?? John Robles PAT 1898 EDISON STANDARD PHONOGRAPH WORKING MOTOR! SEE MY VIDEO! 110+ YEARS OLD! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Diamond Disc Record NumberWanted
In a spreadsheet I have of Edison matrix numbers this pairing isn't listed. Very interesting. Perhaps this one of those early pre-commercial test pressings where pairings didn't last long. Are the matrix number mirror images or regular? I have several of these early pre-commercial pressings in the presentation boxes and they all have mirror image matrix numbers. For those that haven't seen them before there's a picture of them at the link below. Very elaborate and expensive to produce. No wonder Edison didn't continue these when they went commercial. http://www.majesticrecord.com/labelsedison.htm Glenn From: Greg Bogantz gbogan...@charter.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, November 17, 2011 6:43:21 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Diamond Disc Record NumberWanted Tim Gracyk's book Edison Diamond Disc Re-Creations lists several pairings for this 1052 matrix number: One record number 50008 has it paired with matrix 1001 titled No One to Love, Mixed Quartet Record #50018 has it matched with matrix 941 titled Fairest Rose Waltz, Charles Daab Record #50021 has the same pairing as #50018 Record #50022 has it matched with matrix 1053 titled Flower Song, Violin, Cello, Flute, Harp Whispering Flowers by Reed Orchestra is listed as matrix #2367, paired with matrix 2048 Angel's Dream Waltz, Band, on record #50037. There are some other pairings of these in the 8 series: Record 80001 has matrix 1052 paired with matrix 999 Berceuse-Jocelyn, Cello. Whispering Flowers is also listed as matrix 939, paired with matrix 1250 On the Road to Mandalay, Thomas Chalmers, on record 80003. Record 80022 has this matrix with the same pairing as 50022. I have #80022, complete with the box that it originally came in. Some of the earliest Edison DDs were packaged in a flat chipboard display box rather than in a paper sleeve. These deluxe boxes had a color picture and written descriptions of the selections on the front. There may be other pairings, but I didn't find them in a cursory scan of the book. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Jim Cartwright jim...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 4:57 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Diamond Disc Record NumberWanted I am cataloging my records have one of the early etched label Edison diamond discs that does not include the record number on either it's face or edge for which I have been unable to find a record number.It is: The Bloom is on the Rye Henry R. Bishop, Composer - Tenor baritone Orchestra Accompaniment (matrix number 1052) (I've found other couplings of this listed as sung by Harry Anthony Charles Harrison)// Whispering Flowers Von Blon, Composer Band - Reed Instruments (matrix number as best I can make out 939) I any of you know the number of this record, I'd like to know. Many thanks! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Corporate Successor to Indestructible Record Co.??
I have an interesting query from someone looking to license a song that was put out on Indestructible cylinder 3509, So Long Oolong by Al Bernard. Is there a successor to the Indestructible catalog? Or would anything on them be in the public domain by now? The song is looking to be used on HBO's Boardwalk Empire. Thanks, Glenn ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Corporate Successor to Indestructible Record Co.??
Hold on. I think I found my answer. I knew I read this somewhere and finally found it. In Sutton/Nauck's book of American Record Labels it says that Federal (Indestructible's last incarnation) was sold off to Scranton. This then got rolled up in the American Record Corp, which eventually was sold to Columbia and beyond. I'm skipping some details but I think that's where it ended up. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks, Glenn P.S. I have no connection to it but might as well mention that I also went to the Mainspring Press website and found that Sutton/Nauck are about to launch a book this week about Indestructible. What timing! From: Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, October 27, 2011 6:36:36 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Corporate Successor to Indestructible Record Co.?? I have an interesting query from someone looking to license a song that was put out on Indestructible cylinder 3509, So Long Oolong by Al Bernard. Is there a successor to the Indestructible catalog? Or would anything on them be in the public domain by now? The song is looking to be used on HBO's Boardwalk Empire. Thanks, Glenn ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Bargain Victrola
I'm guessing you must see a record worth $3,990 that I'm missing... From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, September 16, 2011 10:18:16 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Bargain Victrola I'm debating on the Buy It Now Price of $4,000, mainly because of the 50 included records... Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 10:12:31 -0700 From: harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Bargain Victrola It's cheaper than a Victor VI, LOL!! Harvey Kravitz From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 8:46 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Bargain Victrola Anyone catch this? It's also 100 years old, and plays 45's as well! http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200653017746ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 3 Andy ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] shrinking cylinder speed?
This follows Robert's thoughts as well (I think). This is all about in-plane shrinkage. So the original cylinder is longer to accommodate this shrinkage and the speed at which the cutter would move laterally across the cylinder would have to be slightly faster. However, wouldn't the recording speed still be 160rpm? Glenn From: allena...@aol.com allena...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, July 12, 2011 4:34:21 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] shrinking cylinder speed? In a message dated 7/12/2011 3:56:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, esrobe...@hotmail.com writes: I've never heard of this. Must be a fascinating read. Where did you hear about cylinders being recorded at a different speed than the intended playback? that has to be the case because the physical (molded) cylinders sold to the public are not the identical cylinders that were mastered. There are usual a couple of steps, generating sub-masters, and each step causes shrinkage of the resulting cylinder as it comes out of the mold. A 2-minute style Edison wax cylinder would probably be recorded around 97+ tpi when it was in the studio, and in two interim steps, result in a 100 tpi final gold-molded version sold to his customers. It is an interesting question as to the parallel impact on the subsequent rpm's. Allen _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Important Note About Paypal Orders
I just learned about this yesterday. How long has this been available? I was surprised that there was a way to use Paypal without paying a fee. I didn't think they'd ever let that happen! Glenn From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, June 14, 2011 10:15:32 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Important Note About Paypal Orders If using paypal for the Ferguson book, please use the Personal Payment tab and select Payment Owed. That way i don't have to pay a fee. Please send e an email with your address. When you use the Personal Payment tab, the receiver does not receive the shipping address displayed in the notification email. Thank you John ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] You gotta love this... Museum Quality Black Patti Record
I dealt with this seller some time ago. His name is Frederick Tussey. Perhaps the Richard comes from the fact that his full name is Frederick R. Tussey - or it's just a coincidence on the last name. But the coincidence of the poor eyesight statement from Mike would lead me to believe it's the same person. Anyway, in my dealings with him 4 years ago it was pleasant as we traded some things after I made a purchase. I've been told he's legally blind so grading is somewhat of a mystery and perhaps why he chooses the route he does now. Not defending it, just making a statement. I find it difficult to buy something ungraded. Interestingly, at the time he was saying he had plans to do a book on record sleeves and that's what he traded for. This guy has generated a lot of banter on 78-l as well. Who knows what's lead him to his current state - perhaps fallen on hard times - but it's his choice to try and sell records at high prices. Some will bite, many won't. It would be in his best interest, though, if he worked to keep his customers happy. The seller that called the record a repro is a knowledgeable collector. Too bad he didn't work it out with his customer. Glenn From: Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, May 17, 2011 10:16:19 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] You gotta love this... Museum Quality Black Patti Record Good morning again all, Found the last name. It is The Record Ranger. Richard Tussey. It 's public. I knew he was near St. Louis. This is odd as Richard knows what these are worth. He has very poor eye sight so one not prone to fishing. I split a label collection with him years ago. Other than a few very hard to get labels he has, I have them too. I would sell them all for the price of just one of those records. Mike Oldcranky On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com wrote: Good moring all. Al I'm waking up and drinking coffee; so I don't see a last name. A Portland collector did move to Missouri some years back. The Record Ranger. I'll leave his last name out of it but this doesn't seem his style. Lived off of MLK Blvd. You could hardly walk around in the old house, straining to stay up right under the load. Al missed you at Salem. Would have liked to see yo. Next time. Mike Oldcranky On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 6:00 AM, Albert cen...@comcast.net wrote: Very strange, he has tons of feedback and every record sold for exactly the same amount, $24.99. Portland Collectors, notice this guys last name. Several years back there was an obsessive record collector here in Portland, entire home, floor to ceiling 78's, Same last name! - Original Message - From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] You gotta love this... Museum Quality Black Patti Record Yes and here is another absolute bargain on an early Improved Gramophone Record, by the same seller. There are loads of bargains like this offered by this World Renown Collector of Museum Quality Records.!! Scanning through his listings is loads of cheap fun !! http://cgi.ebay.com/78-RPM-MUSEUM-QUALITY-1901-IMPROVED-GRAMOPHONE-NO-GRADE-/390307006718?pt=Music_on_Vinylhash=item5ae01c48fe e - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 8:06:10 PM Subject: [Phono-L] You gotta love this... Museum Quality Black Patti Record http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=390314782882ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123#ht_531wt_905 5 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison drops a title
Can you give any details on the smallish hill dale disc you have this one? Thanks, Glenn From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, March 21, 2011 1:14:43 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison drops a title I was playing some cylinders (bought at a show, and sitting ever since in the brown grocery bags I used to pack them) and came across one which struck me as familiar. The Jass One-Step, by Eugene Jaudas' orchestra on Edison BA 3228. 'Hmm... why do I know this tune? Nobody else recorded such a title ... wait a second.' I search for Jaudas online (there is little to nothing about him, btw) and hit the same record on online ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVuZXjOk42g ) . Then I remember: I have this on a smallish hill dale disc ... it's HONG KONG ! Somewhere between it being rejected for disc but approved for cylinder, then prepared for manufacture, somebody mistook the description Jazz One-Step or Jass One-Step for its title , and dropped HONG KONG completely. I submitted a comment to that effect, on the ootoob page. I wonder if this has happened with other tunes, being issued with wrong title (or no title really, in this case) and not pulled off the shelves. ps - the 1910 Census had him listed as Judas, but got his father (I assume) correct as Jaudas. I submitted a correction. 128 East 86th St, 40 years old in 1910, born in New York, parents born in Germany and arrived in USA 1863. Married 4 years, no children. Aunt Mother-in-Law living with them (that must have been fun) , parents in the next apartment in same building. Occupation: Musician. Industry: Phonograph. Out of work in 1909: Zero days. Interesting that his parents were still working at age 71: dad for the NYC Police Dept, mom a professional midwife. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] BLACK PATTI RECORDS
Yes, they are very common and not valuable at all. Please send to me. Ok, just kidding. Black Patti was pressed by Starr Piano (Gennett) for Chicago Record Company, which was started by Mayo Williams. It was a race record label. It only existed for about 6 months in 1927 and had only 54 releases. Quantities were small so the records are fairly rare and valuable. Glenn From: zonophone2...@aol.com zonophone2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, February 25, 2011 5:22:35 AM Subject: [Phono-L] BLACK PATTI RECORDS HI IS ANYONE FRAMILIAR WITH BLACK PATTI RECORDS AND THE RELATIVE VALUE THANKS ZONO ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Let us not forget....
There's a list of DD records in excel spreadsheet at the following link. http://www.truesoundtransfers.de/disco.htm You can search the document for different version of Star Spangled Banner. Glenn From: Brad abell out...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, February 25, 2011 7:54:46 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Let us not forget I would be interested in any information on the Let Us Not Forget records--both Diamond Disc and cylinder. I recently picked up a nice Blue Amberol long version with the Star Spangled Banner-- and have two DD's. Are there different 'takes' or pressings of these records? When was the speech actually recorded? Both my DD's are etched, but did it also come in a paper label version? Was there a special sleeve to go along with it? On the cylinder, what band is playing the National Anthem? and again, were there different versions? I know someone has researched this-- I'd love to know. Thanks- Brad ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Collector's Guide to Victor Records
Thank you. I thought it was just me! I sent an email directly to Kurt asking how to order. Haven't heard back yet. Perhaps he can just post directly to here. Glenn From: phonofo...@aol.com phonofo...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, November 20, 2010 7:18:18 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Collector's Guide to Victor Records how do you order from his page? Can't seem to find an order form. -Original Message- From: D P Ingram dar...@ingram.fi To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Nov 20, 2010 10:03 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Collector's Guide to Victor Records It is on the front page, or at least was this morning. Darren On 20 nov 2010, at 16.43, Vinyl Visions wrote: ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Adaptor for diamond disc records
This particular adapter I've been watching for a while. It's been up there several months at that price and the seller has yet to lower it to try and move it. It interests me as Empire was one of the vertical cut brands of the teens that I'm researching although I'm not interested at that price. The Empire Talking Machine Company produced both phonographs and had both vertical and universal cut records. A separate and related entity, Empire Phono Parts Company, produced universal tonearms but I've never seen any documentation that matches this particular tonearm. In fact, anything I've seen only advertises the universal tonearm with never a mention of an Edison adapter. However, I don't have any documentation after Empire's records stopped and Empire Phono kept going for a number of years so it's possible this product came out after 1921. The reproducer clearly is an Empire and it does look like everything matches so would assume it's a complete Empire product. Does anyone have any Empire literature that shows this? Thanks, Glenn From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, October 31, 2010 9:10:56 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Adaptor for diamond disc records Tom, the link works fine. Maybe you didn't notice that it is broken into two lines? In those situations you have to copy the whole two lines and paste it into your browser. Jim On Oct 31, 2010, at 6:27 PM, Tom Jordan wrote: I tried the link that I shared below and it doesn't work. If you type Edison phonograph adapter in the search line it's on the first page. Tom -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tom Jordan Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 5:19 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Adaptor for diamond disc records Here is one that's currently on E-bay that lets you play regular 78s on an Edison machine (or so the listing says). I don't know anything about these. I just happened to see it this afternoon. Tom http://cgi.ebay.com/Empire-Reproducer-Adaptor-Edison-Disc-Phonograph-/320508 76?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4a9fcfa573 -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Robert Wright Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 5:07 PM To: Phono L Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Adaptor for diamond disc records Wow, I've never seen an adaptor like that, other than the Brunswick Ultona 3-way tonearm. All the adaptors I've ever seen fit Edison phono's to play lateral 78's. Be nice to have both! Anyone have a picture of the type of adaptor David's asking about? Best,Robert To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: drlun...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 19:21:26 + Subject: [Phono-L] Adaptor for diamond disc records List: if anyone has an extra adaptor to allow their victor phono to play diamond disc records, I'd like to pick one up. I used to have one but can't locate and I have some xmas records I'd like to play on a victor this year. Please contact me off list if you have one for sale. Thanks. David --Original Message-- From: Ron L'Herault Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com To: 'Antique Phonograph List' ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] cylinder cabinet pegs and knob Sent: Oct 31, 2010 9:26 AM I just picked up a 252 peg, 6 drawer cylinder cabinet in Oak. Unfortunately, of course, all the pegs have been removed and one knob is broken. I'm pretty sure that there are at least a couple of peg suppliers. Phonophan is one. Who is the other, Jim? Does anyone have one knob and disk that they would like to part with? It is the roundish, openwork knob with a round disk behind it. I can take a picture of a good one if necessary. Thanks, Ron L'Herault ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Columbia Grafonola Shipping Crate
I haven't used the list for selling something before so please pardon the post. I put up a Grafonola crate on ebay and it didn't sell. I would like to find a new home for this pretty unique piece. I've had it for a number of years. I'm tempted to take it apart just for the logo on the one side. Ironically, it's not something you can ship. I will be attending the Wayne, NJ show on October 10th so can bring it there. I do not have a table so will only bring it if someone is interested ahead of time. You can see the pictures still on ebay, item 200520962240. Price is $25 to the first person that responds. Please contact me off list if interested - majesticrecord at snet.net Thanks, Glenn Longwell ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Grafonola Shipping Crate
Living in Connecticut I am quite close to NY but Lewiston is on the opposite side! Regards, Glenn From: D P Ingram dar...@ingram.fi To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, September 27, 2010 7:22:48 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Grafonola Shipping Crate Shame you are not near NY State (Lewiston) as shipping some stuff to Finland from there and that'd look good in our reception (could put outgoing post in it!) :) Rgds, Darren On 27 sep 2010, at 02.05, Glenn Longwell wrote: I haven't used the ¦ D P Ingram ¦ Ab Ingram Oy ¦ ¦ darren at ingram.fi ¦ www.ingram.fi ¦ ¦ ¦ MUSIC LIBRARY FINLAND - www.musiclibrary.fi ¦ ¦ +358 6 781 0275 (FIN) ¦ extn 8001 ¦ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Grafonola Shipping Crate
No need to apologize. Lewiston is about an 8 hour drive from where I am. The only possibility is if someone from Buffalo or Niagara Falls area were to come to the Wayne, NJ show and bring it back with them. It would then be close enough to figure out arrangements from there. If you know someone in Lewiston that would be willing to drive a bit then maybe even someone from Rochester or even Syracuse would be willing to take it back with them as that would be about 1.5 (Rochester) to 3 (Syracuse) hours from Lewiston. Regards, Glenn From: D P Ingram dar...@ingram.fi To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, September 27, 2010 9:47:44 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Grafonola Shipping Crate Shame. I don't suppose there's a relatively cheap means to get it to Lewiston NY ? Please forgive my lack of U.S. geography here! Best wishes, Darren On 27 sep 2010, at 14.33, Glenn Longwell wrote: Living in Connecticut I am quite close to NY but Lewiston is on the opposite side! Regards, Glenn ¦ D P Ingram ¦ Ab Ingram Oy ¦ ¦ darren at ingram.fi ¦ www.ingram.fi ¦ ¦ ¦ MUSIC LIBRARY FINLAND - www.musiclibrary.fi ¦ ¦ +358 6 781 0275 (FIN) ¦ extn 8001 ¦ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Shipping a Victrola IV question
I am having someone ship me a Victrola IV. I've never had one to know what's being asked. The seller has removed the tonearm at my suggestion and packed it separately. He's now asked whether he should remove the tonearm bracket. I told him not to bother but he's at work for the rest of the night so I have time before he gets back to packing to ask this. I don't think it really matters if it's left on but if for some reason it does is there something else that this bracket is attached to that if he unscrews those 4 screws we have now detached something else on the inside we need to worry about? As a side note the other phono he's sending me is a Rex Talking Machine. I've finally located another machine by a vertical record producer! Can't wait to get it. Thanks, Glenn ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Shipping a Victrola IV question
Thanks for the quick response John. For what it's worth this is quite a late serial number, 581xxx. It's beat up with no reproducer but couldn't pass up the $5 price tag. Glenn From: john9...@pacbell.net john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 5:23:04 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping a Victrola IV question Glenn, the bracket screws into four holes on the back of the horn flange (inside the cabinet). The horn flange is atached to the cabinet with another separate bolt, so if he removes the bracket, no problem putting it back. John Robles Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 14:16:45 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping a Victrola IV question I am having someone ship me a Victrola IV. I've never had one to know what's being asked. The seller has removed the tonearm at my suggestion and packed it separately. He's now asked whether he should remove the tonearm bracket. I told him not to bother but he's at work for the rest of the night so I have time before he gets back to packing to ask this. I don't think it really matters if it's left on but if for some reason it does is there something else that this bracket is attached to that if he unscrews those 4 screws we have now detached something else on the inside we need to worry about? As a side note the other phono he's sending me is a Rex Talking Machine. I've finally located another machine by a vertical record producer! Can't wait to get it. Thanks, Glenn ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Danbury
OK folks. I read all the posts about CAPS. Now it's time to think about the next show - on the other coast - in Danbury, CT this Sunday. I look forward to meeting list members who are coming. Cheers, Glenn Longwell ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Danbury
http://www.intertique.com/ Yes, August 29th!!! I can't recall now when it's been as I think it's been changing over time. I do remember them being around the same time but I think that was in April when their dates were close. Glenn From: Sean Miller smil...@nycap.rr.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 6:12:20 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Danbury That's THIS Sunday?? Is there a link to it, Glenn? I thought it was in October, usually around the time Wayne is... Sean On Aug 23, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Glenn Longwell wrote: OK folks. I read all the posts about CAPS. Now it's time to think about the next show - on the other coast - in Danbury, CT this Sunday. I look forward to meeting list members who are coming. Cheers, Glenn Longwell ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] 8 Operaphone - 1714
The clip is posted at the following link: http://www.majesticrecord.com/operaphone1714.htm Beware of the terrible sound you are about to hear! If you know the song name that's great but I'm very interested in knowing the artist as well so would need to find someone who owns the disc, or perhaps this was on an earlier Operaphone like American Patrol was. Thanks, Glenn From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com To: Phono L phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 1:35:15 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 8 Operaphone - 1714 Glenn, Could you post a clip of the audio on your website? Best, Robert Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 13:49:43 -0700 From: majesticrec...@snet.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] 8 Operaphone - 1714 I tried this question on 78-l but got no response. This list tends to have people that own these off beat vertical records so hoping someone can help me. I just got a copy of an 8 vertical Operaphone, catalog 1714. This is when they had the paper labels and this one is a red label. One side is American Patrol (that was easy to figure out as it's a popular song and it was also on Operaphone 1037 which is the embossed label that preceded this example) but both sides have the same American Patrol label. Does anyone have a copy of this to tell me what the other song and artist is? Thanks. Glenn ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] 8 Operaphone - 1714
Hi Robert, I will look to do this and post it here when I do. Both sides are in terrible condition though. Very rough, bubbled up surface. Not sure what got on this in the past but it killed the record. Luckily it was free. At least it fills a hole in the discography but only 1/2 the hole so far. I was hoping someone had it with the right label. Regards, Glenn From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com To: Phono L phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 1:35:15 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 8 Operaphone - 1714 Glenn, Could you post a clip of the audio on your website? Best, Robert Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 13:49:43 -0700 From: majesticrec...@snet.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] 8 Operaphone - 1714 I tried this question on 78-l but got no response. This list tends to have people that own these off beat vertical records so hoping someone can help me. I just got a copy of an 8 vertical Operaphone, catalog 1714. This is when they had the paper labels and this one is a red label. One side is American Patrol (that was easy to figure out as it's a popular song and it was also on Operaphone 1037 which is the embossed label that preceded this example) but both sides have the same American Patrol label. Does anyone have a copy of this to tell me what the other song and artist is? Thanks. Glenn ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] 8 Operaphone - 1714
I tried this question on 78-l but got no response. This list tends to have people that own these off beat vertical records so hoping someone can help me. I just got a copy of an 8 vertical Operaphone, catalog 1714. This is when they had the paper labels and this one is a red label. One side is American Patrol (that was easy to figure out as it's a popular song and it was also on Operaphone 1037 which is the embossed label that preceded this example) but both sides have the same American Patrol label. Does anyone have a copy of this to tell me what the other song and artist is? Thanks. Glenn ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Unreleased Diamond Disc?
I never saw this message appear so trying again. Glenn From: Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, June 26, 2010 2:23:04 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Unreleased Diamond Disc? Greg - thank you very much for the information. I guess the finally rejected statement I have about this record must not mean that it was rejected prior to being released commercially. Sounds like it wasn't in the commercial catalog for long though. Regards, Glenn From: Greg Bogantz gbogan...@charter.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, June 25, 2010 10:54:03 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Unreleased Diamond Disc? According to the book Edison Diamond Disc Re-creations, Records Artists, 1910-1929 obtained from Tim Gracyk's website, the DD #50067 is indicated to have been coupled (R and L sides selected) on July 21, 1913 and listed in the catalog in August 1913. The selection was cut out of the catalog on December 6, 1916. There is no indication that this disc was unreleased. There is only one matrix number listed for the R side as #1250 On the Road to Mandalay by Thomas Chalmers Chorus. The L side matrix is #1105 Danny Deever by Marcus Kellerman. No other matrix numbers or artists are shown for this selection. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:39 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Unreleased Diamond Disc? This list has been helpful before in my finds of Diamond Discs. This time the story has a twist. A colleague of mine's ancestor (I think great Uncle) was Marcus Kellerman, a baritone. Here's a little bit of info on him (http://sdrcdata.lib.uiowa.edu/libsdrc/details.jsp?id=/kellerman/3page=1ui=1). We found a copy of a cylinder he did, Danny Deever, on the UCSB website, an Amberol from 1911, number 682. In the documentation I have it shows that he also sang this song on Diamond Disc, 50067, with matrices 1105-A, B and C in June 1912. All were shown as rejected. So I assumed this was never released commercially. However, what I found was 50067 with matrix number 1105-5. Unfortunately, in this small collection I saw this is the only disc I brought home because I knew that Danny Deever was sung by Kellerman (there was another version sung by Arthur Middleton) and was hoping this was the one by Kellerman for my friend. If not for that I wouldn't have bought it because most of the records, including this one, had lam cracks. Having a number for the matrix makes it a quite interesting find. My question is whether this record 50067 with Kellerman's version of Danny Deever ever released commercially. I know there are people on this list with the right Edison books to probably tell this. I'm not sure how accurate my information is. If it truly wasn't released the rest of the records might be of similar nature - perhaps another dealer stash find. There were probably 10-12 of them and didn't really take a closer look because of the lam cracks on them. Thanks for any help. Glenn ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Unreleased Diamond Disc?
Greg - thank you very much for the information. I guess the finally rejected statement I have about this record must not mean that it was rejected prior to being released commercially. Sounds like it wasn't in the commercial catalog for long though. Regards, Glenn From: Greg Bogantz gbogan...@charter.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, June 25, 2010 10:54:03 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Unreleased Diamond Disc? According to the book Edison Diamond Disc Re-creations, Records Artists, 1910-1929 obtained from Tim Gracyk's website, the DD #50067 is indicated to have been coupled (R and L sides selected) on July 21, 1913 and listed in the catalog in August 1913. The selection was cut out of the catalog on December 6, 1916. There is no indication that this disc was unreleased. There is only one matrix number listed for the R side as #1250 On the Road to Mandalay by Thomas Chalmers Chorus. The L side matrix is #1105 Danny Deever by Marcus Kellerman. No other matrix numbers or artists are shown for this selection. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:39 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Unreleased Diamond Disc? This list has been helpful before in my finds of Diamond Discs. This time the story has a twist. A colleague of mine's ancestor (I think great Uncle) was Marcus Kellerman, a baritone. Here's a little bit of info on him (http://sdrcdata.lib.uiowa.edu/libsdrc/details.jsp?id=/kellerman/3page=1ui=1). We found a copy of a cylinder he did, Danny Deever, on the UCSB website, an Amberol from 1911, number 682. In the documentation I have it shows that he also sang this song on Diamond Disc, 50067, with matrices 1105-A, B and C in June 1912. All were shown as rejected. So I assumed this was never released commercially. However, what I found was 50067 with matrix number 1105-5. Unfortunately, in this small collection I saw this is the only disc I brought home because I knew that Danny Deever was sung by Kellerman (there was another version sung by Arthur Middleton) and was hoping this was the one by Kellerman for my friend. If not for that I wouldn't have bought it because most of the records, including this one, had lam cracks. Having a number for the matrix makes it a quite interesting find. My question is whether this record 50067 with Kellerman's version of Danny Deever ever released commercially. I know there are people on this list with the right Edison books to probably tell this. I'm not sure how accurate my information is. If it truly wasn't released the rest of the records might be of similar nature - perhaps another dealer stash find. There were probably 10-12 of them and didn't really take a closer look because of the lam cracks on them. Thanks for any help. Glenn ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Unreleased Diamond Disc?
This list has been helpful before in my finds of Diamond Discs. This time the story has a twist. A colleague of mine's ancestor (I think great Uncle) was Marcus Kellerman, a baritone. Here's a little bit of info on him (http://sdrcdata.lib.uiowa.edu/libsdrc/details.jsp?id=/kellerman/3page=1ui=1). We found a copy of a cylinder he did, Danny Deever, on the UCSB website, an Amberol from 1911, number 682. In the documentation I have it shows that he also sang this song on Diamond Disc, 50067, with matrices 1105-A, B and C in June 1912. All were shown as rejected. So I assumed this was never released commercially. However, what I found was 50067 with matrix number 1105-5. Unfortunately, in this small collection I saw this is the only disc I brought home because I knew that Danny Deever was sung by Kellerman (there was another version sung by Arthur Middleton) and was hoping this was the one by Kellerman for my friend. If not for that I wouldn't have bought it because most of the records, including this one, had lam cracks. Having a number for the matrix makes it a quite interesting find. My question is whether this record 50067 with Kellerman's version of Danny Deever ever released commercially. I know there are people on this list with the right Edison books to probably tell this. I'm not sure how accurate my information is. If it truly wasn't released the rest of the records might be of similar nature - perhaps another dealer stash find. There were probably 10-12 of them and didn't really take a closer look because of the lam cracks on them. Thanks for any help. Glenn ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: New Old Stock Edison 2 minute Black Wax Cylinders.
Quick way to know if it's a B or an A. If it's the Edison decal and has an end-gate then it's a B. If it's the banner decal it could be an early B or an A. The two quick differences to look for is the B is a little taller and the A has the speed control above the bedplate on the front left. Glenn --- On Thu, 4/8/10, bruce78...@comcast.net bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: From: bruce78...@comcast.net bruce78...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: New Old Stock Edison 2 minute Black Wax Cylinders. To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 2:55 PM Good questions, they obviously look like they sound, the surface is dulled out and discolored from the tightly wrapped white cotton over the years, you can actually hear the introduction and the music but the loud continuous SCRATCH sound makes them undesirable for listening. Is this a B or an A ? maybe I have the two confused, I am going back to the reference book to check this one. There is an original 14 Edison Horn with this one, and just looking at the gearing I would say it is a conversion to play 2 4 minute cylinders. Also when I got home I did some further checking in the interior of the Cabinet and found the early H 4 minute reproducer with the gold colored tinge on the outside inside. A bonus ! since I thought the machine only had the original C reproducer with it. Why were these 28 cylinders never removed from the storage boxes ? As you said, a story we may never know. Bruce - Original Message - From: Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2010 10:28:22 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: New Old Stock Edison 2 minute Black Wax Cylinders. Great find Bruce. It's unfortunate not to be able to play them though. So what do they look like? Are they shiny and would expect them to play well and they don't? Or do they look like they sound? I'm picturing in my head a heat damaged 78 that is real dull. Did you end up with the Standard B as well? Interesting timing and wonder why they would have these. The earliest B was from late 1905. I wonder if they were given a bunch of old cylinders with it and they just never got played. A mystery we'll never solve... --- On Thu, 4/8/10, bruce78...@comcast.net bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: From: bruce78...@comcast.net bruce78...@comcast.net Subject: [Phono-L] Fwd: New Old Stock Edison 2 minute Black Wax Cylinders. To: Phono-L Phono-L@oldcrank.org Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 12:04 PM I recently picked up what certainly appears to be a box full of 28 New Old Stock Edison two minute Black Wax cylinders from around 1902-1903. The boxes were right on the cusp of the change over from the Box which included Echo All over the World (without the term Gold Moulded), to the First Boxes to use that term in late 1903. What convinced me that these boxes and cylinders were new old stock, is that all 28 Cylinders were each carefully wrapped in cotton, and some still had the remnants of the old paraffin paper that was wrapped around the cotton. Now the hard part. Since I am equally into to Records as I am into old Phonographs, and enjoy playing my new finds, I certainly wanted to see if these records were playable. This certainly was questionable as the lady that sold them to me, said that they had been stored for many years in the Attic of an Old House, and had somehow managed to be salvaged, along with a nice converted (2 4 minute) Standard B Edison Phonograph, from a horrendous fire that destroyed the house many years ago. The seller said she was always afraid to remove the tightly packed cylinders from the boxes, because they were so fragile and she feared breaking them. I decided when I got this box of cylinders home to open maybe half of them to test out the condition of the cylinders. I was able to remove them by grasping the inner projected edges of the spiral inside the cylinders and gently nudging them out. Unfortunately, the pressure of the tight packing against the grooves all these years,along with the extremes of heat and cold had from the attic storage had taken its toll on the playability of these early Two Minute Black Wax cylinders, and you could play and understand the selection but the continuous loud scratching sound, made them undesirable for listening enjoyment. Still it was the very first time I have happened across any new/old stock cylinders, and the boxes themselves are not that common, they are shown as Types D E F on Page 153 Allen's ECR Edison Cylinder Records 1889-1912, and I do still have about half the boxes untouched and undisturbed remaining in their original New Old Stock form complete with the cotton and remaining parafin wrapping just as they left the Factory back in 1902-1903. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono
Re: [Phono-L] Now I've seen everything. Phono shaped like a house
Here's another one for your viewing pleasure... I saw this at the Claymont, DE phono show back in 2003 and took pictures. The dealer, can't remember who, wanted several thousand dollars for it. It didn't sell. I think it was the only thing this particular dealer brought. www.majesticrecord.com/phono.htm Glenn --- On Tue, 2/9/10, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Now I've seen everything. Phono shaped like a house To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 6:04 PM Neat! But shouldn't there be a coo coo bird there somewhere? Ron -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 12:04 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Now I've seen everything. Phono shaped like a house Good evening all Here's something interesting on eBay..a Schwarzwaldhaus phonograph. Schwarzwald means Black Forest. Item number is 270528488201. Check it out! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] A favor -- 1933 hits
Decca actually put out an 4 record set Song of Our Times 1933 I have a copy of it but two of the records have a hairline crack. I've had it for sale on my set sale page for only a couple dollars. If interested I can let you know what songs are on it. However, it's a compilation put together by one artist, Charles Baum and his Orchestra. I believe they are all pop tunes. www.majesticrecord.com/78sforsale.htm Scroll all the way down to the 3rd from last entry on the page. Barring the idea of buying/trading for the records I could look at potentially transferring these to a CD. Let me know off list if interested. Glenn --- On Fri, 2/5/10, msprin...@juno.com msprin...@juno.com wrote: From: msprin...@juno.com msprin...@juno.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] A favor -- 1933 hits To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 10:06 PM I'm trying to create something a little more custom made so it feels like a special present, rather than just buying a CD. At least that's my thought for now... But if I strike out, then these links will be invaluable, and I really appreciate your taking the time on my behalf! -- Original Message -- From: Dennis Back back...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] A favor -- 1933 hits Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 13:35:48 -0800 (PST) Hi Merle, I did a quick google search of 1933 hits and came up with this link: http://www.popculturemadness.com/Music/Pop-Old/1933.html It lists the most popular songs of 1933. It also had a link for a 2 CD album of 1930's hit songs. http://www.amazon.com/30-Hits-30s-Various-Artists/dp/B00069I72S/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8s=musicqid=1265405333sr=1-2-catcorr Although that album includes hits from ALL the 30's and not just 1933, there seems like a lot of great songs there. Home Improvement Projects Improve your home. Click for products, services, and project ideas. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=InxvPUTVZHH-cbWzLMRpqgAAJ1D2EGWQJgc2Zfu3rGBZpu80AAYAAADNAAAShAA= ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Identify phonograph drawing
I figured I'd hear from someone in MOCAPS with both Pawtucket and Attleboro mentioned on the sleeve! I'm curious to hear what you find out. Glenn --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Identify phonograph drawing To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 4:09 AM I live the next town over to Attleboro, North Attleboro, MA. I'll have to see what is at 110 Union Street now, if the address even still exists. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Longwell Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 9:56 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Identify phonograph drawing A few months back I had mentioned on this list that I bought a Crescent phonograph. Besides a phonograph manufacturer they were a vertical cut record brand. Their phonographs were equipped to play both vertical and lateral. Talking with the granddaughter of the original owner she was fairly sure the machine was purchased in Rhode Island. Just recently said contacted me back to say she found a couple more records (no Crescents unfortunately) but there was a sleeve which I asked her to send me. I have posted the sleeve here with a separate picture of the phonograph: www.majesticrecord.com/traverssleeve.htm This likely confirms that they did buy it in Pawtucket as the woman had originally guessed. The record prices on it are pretty interesting as well as citing 8 inch double sided records. I wonder if these were Crescents, or Operaphones. What I'm interested in knowing is whether the drawing of a phonograph is identifiable as a real phonograph. It shows a reproducer set up to play vertical records. Can anyone identify it? Thanks, Glenn ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Identify phonograph drawing
A few months back I had mentioned on this list that I bought a Crescent phonograph. Besides a phonograph manufacturer they were a vertical cut record brand. Their phonographs were equipped to play both vertical and lateral. Talking with the granddaughter of the original owner she was fairly sure the machine was purchased in Rhode Island. Just recently said contacted me back to say she found a couple more records (no Crescents unfortunately) but there was a sleeve which I asked her to send me. I have posted the sleeve here with a separate picture of the phonograph: www.majesticrecord.com/traverssleeve.htm This likely confirms that they did buy it in Pawtucket as the woman had originally guessed. The record prices on it are pretty interesting as well as citing 8 inch double sided records. I wonder if these were Crescents, or Operaphones. What I'm interested in knowing is whether the drawing of a phonograph is identifiable as a real phonograph. It shows a reproducer set up to play vertical records. Can anyone identify it? Thanks, Glenn ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Diamond Disc follow-up (photo)
Your original post had a link to the picture. While the list won't allow the picture itself to go through the link came through fine. Here it is again. http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20091222/b168bc98/attachment.jpe Glenn --- On Tue, 12/22/09, ger ge...@comcast.net wrote: From: ger ge...@comcast.net Subject: [Phono-L] Diamond Disc follow-up To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 9:36 PM Thanks to all who replied, and so quickly. :) The London model Diamond Disc cabinet is a mess. However...I found that there are about 15 thick records with Edison on the label. They are asking $125 for phono and records (reduced from about $225) Can you folks give me an idea of what the records alone might be worth, and what I should look for as to condition and content? As I said earlier, I am only familiar with the cylinders which we collected in the 1950-60's...and still have. If I recall correctly, those fat Diamond Disc records often chip off on the ends...they separate?? I would assume that if in that condition, their value is limited? Any comments or suggestions are greatly appreciated! And to the person who asked about the head: Yes, it is a head which resembles the one on the cylinder phonos. But it seems to be longer in the end where it attaches to horn connection...if memory serves. I touched what looked like a clear small diamond (?) and it conducted sound (scratchy from fingertip) to the horn. So apparently the diaphragm is intact. The rest is a disaster. :) Thanks, Ger PS: How does one show photos on the list? I sent one and it did not come through. Should I put a link??? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BNW value??
Columbia BNW is now safely home in my possession. Thanks for the help. Glenn --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net wrote: From: Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BNW value?? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 1:42 AM Thanks for the advice everyone. Was along my thoughts on what it should be worth but didn't know for sure. Glenn From: zonophone2...@aol.com zonophone2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 4:47:28 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BNW value?? hi glen i agree with this i paid 450 for one about 7 years ago but the metal horn on this is at least 450 if it is in good shape In a message dated 10/30/2009 12:10:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, harveykrav...@yahoo.com writes: Hi Glen, the machine is worth around $900. It's a fairly late machine and needs a good cleaning. The BNW is a scarce machine. You don't see to many of these. I also have a late BNW and I paid $900 for mine. Hopes this will help you. Good luck with your purchase. Harvey Kravitz From: Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 11:21:53 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia BNW value?? Hey folks, looking for some help. I have an opportunity to acquire a Columbia BNW. What's the going rate for one of these for a fair offer? Pictures are up on my website at http://www.majesticrecord.com/columbiabnw.htm. This would be my first outside horn disc machine. So am out of touch on values. I'm also figuring it's a BNW based on Columbia Phonograph Companion by Robert Baumbach. Corrections welcome. Thanks for your help. Glenn ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Looking for Elginola Phonograph Info
I have another vertical oddity to ask about. I just came into possession of 12 8 Elginola disks. These are 8 vertical cut Operaphones with the Elginola Talking Machine label pasted over. The question is whether anyone has any information about this company in terms of catalogs or any of their phonographs. They were incorporated in 1916 with the purpose of making phonographs. I may have seen ads in Talking Machine World trade mag but can't remember so I'll have to go back to investigate that. They were out of Milwaukee, WI. Any show up out there in the midwest? Thanks, Glenn ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Crescent Silvertone
Ron, I would like to know what book that is and, if possible, get scans of the pages that talk about Crescent. I believe these statements, for the most part, are incorrect. I have several ads for Crescent phonographs stating they have a reproducer that plays both style records. In fact, the parts arm of Crescent sold to other phonograph makers the Playsall tonearm, meant to play both vertical and lateral. As for who made the records for Crescent the 8 series I'm quite positve were made by Operaphone. It seems obvious by visual inspection but I'm in the process of looking for other proof. Sutton mentions a 2nd series pressed by Rex Talking Machine Co. I don't have any examples of those. The last series were based off of Pathe masters. All were vertical and I don't believe the last series was made vertical by accident. This was still late 1917 so they would have stayed away from lateral by the Victor/Columbia patents, unless the original plan was for universal cut. Sutton does make mention of what you say though. I quote - George Blacker's conjecture - published in Record Research - that sales fo the final series were poor because the records were incompatible with Crescent phonographs, is incorrect. Most Crescent models were fitted with universal reproducers capable of playing steel-needle vertical-cut discs. Glenn From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 11:54:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Crescent Silvertone A book I have say that the Crescent was a lateral machine so the arm or at least the end with the reproducer may not be (probably is not) original. Crescent records were made by Pathe who, in error made them vertical cut, but to be played with a needle ala Aeolian, rather than with a ball stylus ala Pathe. This is one reason the phono company didn't last. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Longwell Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 9:46 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Crescent Silvertone Came home today with a Crescent Talking Machine Co. Silvertone phonograph. Somewhat rough shape but was interested in it because they distributed the Crescent line of vertical cut records in the teens. So it comes with a swivel tonearm to play both lateral and vertical. Anyone have any literature from this company showing the various models of phonographs they produced? I'd love a scan of anything anyone has for my research on these companies dealing with vertical cut records. October has been vertical month. Have ended up with about 75 vertical cut records this month from the obscure brands (not Pathe, Edison, Okeh, Paramount) and now the Crescent phonograph. Life is good... Thanks, Glenn ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Crescent Silvertone
One other point to add here. I also have an ad from November, 1920 from The Literary Digest. So Crescent Talking Machine was around longer than I thought. They no longer use the Silvertone name (perhaps Sears finally stopped them???) but still make the statement about playing ALL types of records. Glenn From: Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 10:21:37 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Crescent Silvertone Ron, I would like to know what book that is and, if possible, get scans of the pages that talk about Crescent. I believe these statements, for the most part, are incorrect. I have several ads for Crescent phonographs stating they have a reproducer that plays both style records. In fact, the parts arm of Crescent sold to other phonograph makers the Playsall tonearm, meant to play both vertical and lateral. As for who made the records for Crescent the 8 series I'm quite positve were made by Operaphone. It seems obvious by visual inspection but I'm in the process of looking for other proof. Sutton mentions a 2nd series pressed by Rex Talking Machine Co. I don't have any examples of those. The last series were based off of Pathe masters. All were vertical and I don't believe the last series was made vertical by accident. This was still late 1917 so they would have stayed away from lateral by the Victor/Columbia patents, unless the original plan was for universal cut. Sutton does make mention of what you say though. I quote - George Blacker's conjecture - published in Record Research - that sales fo the final series were poor because the records were incompatible with Crescent phonographs, is incorrect. Most Crescent models were fitted with universal reproducers capable of playing steel-needle vertical-cut discs. Glenn From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 11:54:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Crescent Silvertone A book I have say that the Crescent was a lateral machine so the arm or at least the end with the reproducer may not be (probably is not) original. Crescent records were made by Pathe who, in error made them vertical cut, but to be played with a needle ala Aeolian, rather than with a ball stylus ala Pathe. This is one reason the phono company didn't last. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Longwell Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 9:46 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Crescent Silvertone Came home today with a Crescent Talking Machine Co. Silvertone phonograph. Somewhat rough shape but was interested in it because they distributed the Crescent line of vertical cut records in the teens. So it comes with a swivel tonearm to play both lateral and vertical. Anyone have any literature from this company showing the various models of phonographs they produced? I'd love a scan of anything anyone has for my research on these companies dealing with vertical cut records. October has been vertical month. Have ended up with about 75 vertical cut records this month from the obscure brands (not Pathe, Edison, Okeh, Paramount) and now the Crescent phonograph. Life is good... Thanks, Glenn ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BNW value??
Thanks for the advice everyone. Was along my thoughts on what it should be worth but didn't know for sure. Glenn From: zonophone2...@aol.com zonophone2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 4:47:28 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BNW value?? hi glen i agree with this i paid 450 for one about 7 years ago but the metal horn on this is at least 450 if it is in good shape In a message dated 10/30/2009 12:10:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, harveykrav...@yahoo.com writes: Hi Glen, the machine is worth around $900. It's a fairly late machine and needs a good cleaning. The BNW is a scarce machine. You don't see to many of these. I also have a late BNW and I paid $900 for mine. Hopes this will help you. Good luck with your purchase. Harvey Kravitz From: Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 11:21:53 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia BNW value?? Hey folks, looking for some help. I have an opportunity to acquire a Columbia BNW. What's the going rate for one of these for a fair offer? Pictures are up on my website at http://www.majesticrecord.com/columbiabnw.htm. This would be my first outside horn disc machine. So am out of touch on values. I'm also figuring it's a BNW based on Columbia Phonograph Companion by Robert Baumbach. Corrections welcome. Thanks for your help. Glenn ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Crescent Silvertone
Came home today with a Crescent Talking Machine Co. Silvertone phonograph. Somewhat rough shape but was interested in it because they distributed the Crescent line of vertical cut records in the teens. So it comes with a swivel tonearm to play both lateral and vertical. Anyone have any literature from this company showing the various models of phonographs they produced? I'd love a scan of anything anyone has for my research on these companies dealing with vertical cut records. October has been vertical month. Have ended up with about 75 vertical cut records this month from the obscure brands (not Pathe, Edison, Okeh, Paramount) and now the Crescent phonograph. Life is good... Thanks, Glenn ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Columbia BNW value??
Hey folks, looking for some help. I have an opportunity to acquire a Columbia BNW. What's the going rate for one of these for a fair offer? Pictures are up on my website at http://www.majesticrecord.com/columbiabnw.htm. This would be my first outside horn disc machine. So am out of touch on values. I'm also figuring it's a BNW based on Columbia Phonograph Companion by Robert Baumbach. Corrections welcome. Thanks for your help. Glenn ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Waxing DD
During my chemical engineering days at school I actually dressed up as a benzene ring one year. Don't ask - it was pretty stupid and I think alcohol may have been involved. The terms naptha and benzine are used somewhat interchangeably as can be seen on your can of benzine/naptha. Both definitions are similar and are any of a variety of...solvents... However, benzene (notice the spelling difference) is C6H6 and is what is chemically illustrated by the benzene ring we all saw in chemistry class. I didn't do anything chemical engineering related with the degree so my knowledge of benzene stops here and it was a long time ago. Glenn From: Bruce Mercer maxbu...@wowway.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 1:44:53 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Waxing DD Fascinating. I appreciate learning something like this from someone who knows. Would you guess, then, that they used benzine as the stearin solvent? Just like everything else these days, what's on the label does not necessarily mean what it did 100 yrs. ago. Benzine now comes in a can (Naptha) printed underneath! - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Waxing DD Ether goes anhydrous real easy and explodes. The benzine of yore is the complete benzine ring. Naphtha is not the complete ring and lacks all of the solvent properties of the old style benzine. It's also slightly less likely to rot your brain. Bruce Mercer wrote: Thanks Rich, I wondered about benzine (naptha) as it was widely used for many years as a solvent. It evaporates quickly as well. My guess is that benzine was used. Ether was even more flammable than benzine or alcohol... or they problably would have been passed out sleeping on the job. Bruce - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Waxing DD In the Blue Amberol book there is a description of the manufacturing process. The last rinse leaves a slight lubricant on the cylinder. It will be all gone by now even if the cylinder being examined is NOS. Stearin is soluable in ether and benzene. Benzine was very popular in years gone by as the solvent of choice for many things. Bruce Mercer wrote: DD were waxed starting in about 1920 with stearin. Stearin is a triglyceride and is found in heavy fats, animal and plant, palm oil being one. It is insoluable in water and somewhat soluable in alcohol. It's basically a hardener. I'm guessing it was mixed with alcohol for the DD. Obviously this wouldn't have been done with BA. I have my doubts as to anyone 'seeing' it on a cylinder, if indeed it was ever used on a cylinder. I've opened unopened boxes of DD from the factory and you can tell nothing visually different from a mint copy that's been played and taken care of in a machine. (The use of stearin is discussed in Ron Dethlefson's book, Edison Diamond Discs Re-Creations Record Artists 1910-1929. DIAMON DISC RECORD PRODUCTION. PAGE 151. The only proper thing to clean DD is denatured alcohol as it has almost no water content. As for a light coating after that type of cleaning, I have experimented with different brands. It has a small effect on worn records, taking a very little of the hiss away and hiding grey grooves for the unscrupulous that may want to put lipstick on a pig and put it on ebay. It would be interesting to know the exact procedure used in using stearin, as it was used for a wear retardant. My .02 Bruce M. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me
So if you plan to reflow the shellac after using one of these cleaners would you still use anything else after the cleaner to prepare the surface? Glenn From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:58:04 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me It is the waterless hand cleaner WITHOUT pumice. I use a product by LD, I think it is that is sold in the hardware or laundry sections of the supermarket as both a hand cleaner and a material to remove oil/grease stains (which it does well, by the way). The brand is not as important as not having pumice. It does not remove/affect the shellac but it does cut through old hand oils, grease, wax build up. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tom Jordan Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:18 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me I Googled Go-Jo and found a company that makes a lot of products including a hand sanitizer. Can anyone tell me which Go-Jo product you are referring to and where it can be purchased? Does it removed the finish or just clean it? Thank you. Tom -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Charlotte Mager Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:27 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me There is a fellow keeping a data base of Victors. You can ad yours by going to http://www.victor-victrola.com Charlotte aka Waves http://www.wavesllc.com On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.netwrote: Of course, I'm not there to see it, but my first guess would be a buildup of grime from all those years. The dining room set here was bought by my mother in 1925. Our house in Detroit had been heated with coal, as were many others in those days. On the chairs, on the top crossbar, the top surface was black, and I assumed that it was the finish. For the first time ever, I went over the dining set with Go-Jo, and the black finish on the top bar got gooey, and wiping it away, a nice walnut finish was exposed. At the time I bought my VV-XVIII, it needed a good going over to remove grime, but wasn't as bad as some cabinets I've seen. I went further and flowed the original shellac finish with alcohol. Except for some areas, the finish is as new. I wonder if anyone is keeping a log of serial numbers on these phonographs. I have the impression that all of the jobs came down the line, and were consecutively numbered, with no special notation for such special treatments as electric motor, circassian walnut, or other woods. One interesting little detail: one of our phono collectors in this area has a XVIII Electric drive. The cabinet has a cute decoratice cover over the crank hole. Evidently, all cabinets were drilled for the crank. My XVIII has mahogany finish, and spring motor; a cheapie. The serial number is 1277. The name plate on the motor board is the copper one. A few years ago, one was on eBay, with a serial number around 1309, and it had an aluminum name plate. So, it appears that, somewhere between mine and the one for auction, Victor changed name plates. At present, I'm getting my Victor Electrola 12-25 put together, checking everything carefully before I put power to the amplifier. I did the Go-Jo treatment to the cabinet. The finish on it is a mirror. I've never seen a cabinet that old, in that perfect shape. I'm anxious to have it going. I also have a 12-15 Electrola, and it's dynamite. [Original Message] From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/21/2009 10:04:42 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me Thanks, Douglas. Needless to say, the novelty of seeing this visitor in my music room hasn't begun to lose its luster, and the XVIII will soon regain its. I thought of Go-Jo as well, at least as a first step. The black residue is dense here and there, but it must also be darkening the finish even where it doesn't appear to be built up to opaqueness. Andy On Oct 20, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Douglas Houston wrote: I've had my VV-XVIII for about 25 years. It took a moment to realize just what I was looking at, but $120.00 was a reasonable price, regardless of condition. Everything was there, except the storage albums. One spring was broken at the outer end, and was quicly repaired. A going over with Go-Jo made it clean as new. I know just how you feel, Andy! [Original Message] From: Mobility Scooters mobilityscoot...@xtra.co.nz To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/21/2009 1:26:44 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me
[Phono-L] Grafonola E-2
I rescued a Grafonola E-2 today from making it to the dump. It was not restorable as the bottom half was pretty bad, including a hole punched through the side of it. If anyone needs parts off of this let me know off list. Interesting find behind the record storage, a 4 Durium Junior by the College Humor Trio. Can't wait to listen to it... Glenn ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Lyric phonograph
Sutton makes a connection between Lyric and Jones Recording Labs for the laterals.? Indeed, all my laterals have a 'J' in the runout at 9 o'clock position.? I still have work to do to figure out where the masters came from for the verticals.? Trade announcements in 1917 mention 600 records available in their catalog from the outset.? Although the reality?is far fewer were actually released.??However,?if they truly had 600 to choose from you wonder who's masters they had access to from the beginning for the verticals.? Glenn From: Ron L lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:54:00 AM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Lyric phonograph I've got at least one of the Lyric laterals.? I believe there was a Pathe connection for a while.? I do know that the disk is nicely recorded. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Longwell Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:42 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lyric phonograph Correction: I was watching '24' when typing this and not sure what I was thinking.? The address of Newark, NJ cited in the link Bruce posted was used on their records when they went to lateral.? This is when they began to use the Never Scratches trademark on the records.? Also, not sure about the lateral but there were 12 vertical records as well.? According to TMW they were to come out in January 1918. Glenn From: Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:03:18 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lyric phonograph I've been doing some research on Lyraphone but I still have a way to go.? Here's what I can tell you.? Sutton's ARLC says Lyraphone's trademark claimed Lyric as a phonograph brand since October 1915.? I have communicated with the owner of this machine and the pictures I have show no name of Stewart.? It is clearly a Lyric phonograph made by Lyraphone Co. of America.? These are clearly the same company as the Lyric record label.? The records, however, didn't come out until the fall of 1917.? They were vertical cut.? I also have some label images and sleeves on my website at www.majesticrecord.com/labelsl.htm.? What I was very interested in seeing with this phonograph was whether it played vertical, lateral or both.? It plays lateral only unless there was an adaptor of some sort that I don't know about.? This doesn't surprise me though since there's no mention of Lyraphone starting from 1917 in The TAlking Machine World about being a phonograph producer.? All their ads and announcements talk about records only although there's mention of a Lyric adaptor being produced to play them on lateral machines.? The trade directories from?early 1917 on don't list Lyraphone as a machine producer.? I don't have access to earlier information right now but the one piece of evidence I do have is an article from 1917 referring to their past reorganization. So, at the moment, I have to presume they failed as a machine producer and came back as a record producer with General offices in Manhattan and production in Brooklyn.? The only reference I've found to NJ as Bruce's link showed was after they went into receivership in late 1921 and the company resurfaced with the Lyraphone label (no longer Lyric) and they no longer produced the records.? So, it would appear this phonograph is from 1915 or 1916. When I find their incorporation papers I'll see if they actually started there as well.? I don't have information yet on the location of their phonograph operation except the label on the phonograph, which does say New York. Glenn From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:33:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lyric phonograph I think these were also sold as Stewart phonographs, which came in green or wood-grain and were also round.? I have a green one. - Original Message - From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lyric phonograph This is a wild guess but I suspect it may be the same Company that made the Lyric Records, I believe those were the records that had the cat on the label. Maybe they got into the production of phonographs at some point in the late teens when the patent on the flat disc record and disc phonographs ran out and many companies jumped into the market at that time. Bruce - Original Message - From: Ryan Barna ryansrecor...@hotmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:15:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Phono-L] Lyric phonograph Can anyone help this gentleman? I can't find anything in my sources about Lyric machines. Please respond to him
[Phono-L] Lyric Phonograph
After my corned beef and cabbage tonight I should be able post the pictures I have.? You are correct Bruce.? This is a Columbia tonearm on the Lyraphone phonograph.? This is?just like?the machine I have pictures of.?The name plate is a little different in style.? Dan's link shows another one and I'd be interested to see what tonearm is on it and the nameplate.? That tonearm is also different from the one I will post pictures of.? It says the photos are courtesy of Loran Hughes.? Loran - are you out there and do you still have this machine? Glenn From: bruce78...@comcast.net bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 12:42:16 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lyric Phonograph Interesting. Someone obviously at some point in that phonographs life, stuck a cut down Columbia Tone Arm and Reproducer into the tone arm slot and the Current owner is incorrectly calling it a Columbia Lyric Phonograph. Everything else seems to be correct. The name plate correctly identifies the phonograph as A Lyric made by Lyraphone of America. A neat little machine. Wish we could see what the correct tone arm and reproducer looked like. bruce - Original Message - From: Scott sc...@alumni.calpoly.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:15:56 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Phono-L] Lyric Phonograph Ryan, I think this is the Lyric phonograph the gentleman is describing (though the finish doesn't look much like wood): http://www.montanaphonograph.com/gallery/lyric.html A few pictures of the Stewart (wood grained) can be seen here for comparison: http://www.montanaphonograph.com/gallery/stewart.html Hopefully this can be of some help for your friend. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From amberol...@aol.com Tue Mar 17 14:52:57 2009 From: amberol...@aol.com (amberol...@aol.com) Date: Tue Mar 17 14:56:25 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] 5 Concert Records FS Message-ID: d57.1e94da94.36f17...@aol.com Hello Everyone, In case anyone is interested, I listed 7 very nice 5 Concert Records on eBay the other day. Nice titles too. If you like Uncle Josh, you won't want to miss these as there are 2 Cal Stewart concerts. Also added a few other goodies and will be adding some Edison orange special cylinder boxes, lids, and some 4 min wax records as well. If you have any questions, email me off list. Thanks, Jim. **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219850974x1201371016/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DMarchfooterNO62) From majesticrec...@snet.net Tue Mar 17 18:44:07 2009 From: majesticrec...@snet.net (Glenn Longwell) Date: Tue Mar 17 18:44:13 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Lyric Phonograph pictures References: 1388377734.7469591237308136558.javamail.r...@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net 1097.46314...@web83710.mail.sp1.yahoo.com Message-ID: 781696.36377...@web83708.mail.sp1.yahoo.com I posted the pictures to my website tonight of the Lyric Phonograph.? www.majesticrecord.com/lyricphono.htm So do we think this is the original tonearm and reproducer?? We've now seen 3 of these since this thread started and all three had different tonearms.? The Columbia one we know is wrong.? So... What would a fair offer be to purchase this machine?? You can see the physical condition of it.? It works but it won't keep up its speed when the needle is put on the record.? The owner has not attempted any repairs fortunately.? Thanks. Glenn From bruce78...@comcast.net Tue Mar 17 18:51:48 2009 From: bruce78...@comcast.net (bruce78...@comcast.net) Date: Tue Mar 17 18:51:53 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Lyric Phonograph pictures In-Reply-To: 781696.36377...@web83708.mail.sp1.yahoo.com Message-ID: 1208535800.7642251237341108966.javamail.r...@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net Glen could you check that? it keeps coming up Not Found when I go to the link. Thanks, Bruce - Original Message - From: Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:44:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Phono-L] Lyric Phonograph pictures I posted the pictures to my website tonight of the Lyric Phonograph. www.majesticrecord.com/lyricphono.htm So do we think this is the original tonearm and reproducer? We've now seen 3 of these since this thread started and all three had different tonearms. The Columbia one we know is wrong. So... What would a fair offer be to purchase this machine? You can see the physical condition of it. It works but it won't keep up its speed when the needle is put
[Phono-L] Lyric phonograph
I've been doing some research on Lyraphone but I still have a way to go.? Here's what I can tell you.? Sutton's ARLC says Lyraphone's trademark claimed Lyric as a phonograph brand since October 1915.? I have communicated with the owner of this machine and the pictures I have show no name of Stewart.? It is clearly a Lyric phonograph made by Lyraphone Co. of America.? These are clearly the same company as the Lyric record label.? The records, however, didn't come out until the fall of 1917.? They were vertical cut.? I also have some label images and sleeves on my website at www.majesticrecord.com/labelsl.htm.? What I was very interested in seeing with this phonograph was whether it played vertical, lateral or both.? It plays lateral only unless there was an adaptor of some sort that I don't know about.? This doesn't surprise me though since there's no mention of Lyraphone starting from 1917 in The TAlking Machine World about being a phonograph producer.? All their ads and announcements talk about records only although there's mention of a Lyric adaptor being produced to play them on lateral machines.? The trade directories from?early 1917 on don't list Lyraphone as a machine producer.? I don't have access to earlier information right now but the one piece of evidence I do have is an article from 1917 referring to their past reorganization. So, at the moment, I have to presume they failed as a machine producer and came back as a record producer with General offices in Manhattan and production in Brooklyn.? The only reference I've found to NJ as Bruce's link showed was after they went into receivership in late 1921 and the company resurfaced with the Lyraphone label (no longer Lyric) and they no longer produced the records.? So, it would appear this phonograph is from 1915 or 1916. When I find their incorporation papers I'll see if they actually started there as well.? I don't have information yet on the location of their phonograph operation except the label on the phonograph, which does say New York. Glenn From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:33:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lyric phonograph I think these were also sold as Stewart phonographs, which came in green or wood-grain and were also round.? I have a green one. - Original Message - From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lyric phonograph This is a wild guess but I suspect it may be the same Company that made the Lyric Records, I believe those were the records that had the cat on the label. Maybe they got into the production of phonographs at some point in the late teens when the patent on the flat disc record and disc phonographs ran out and many companies jumped into the market at that time. Bruce - Original Message - From: Ryan Barna ryansrecor...@hotmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:15:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Phono-L] Lyric phonograph Can anyone help this gentleman? I can't find anything in my sources about Lyric machines. Please respond to him directly. From: aelitel...@aol.com Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:43:17 -0400 Subject: Wondering if you new any information about my Lyric table top phonegraph To: ryansrecor...@hotmail.com Hi, Ryan I have a Table top crank phonograph, it says LYRIC AND LYRAPHONE CO. NEW YORK. It is round and made of metal but looks like wood. Approximately 15 inches across at it widest spot. I cant seem to find any info on this phonograph on the net? Thanks Jim Schaffer ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From bruce78...@comcast.net Mon Mar 16 19:15:26 2009 From: bruce78...@comcast.net (bruce78...@comcast.net) Date: Mon Mar 16 19:15:31 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Vic 1 horn In-Reply-To: 2c81fa003d7f46d6aa03ac9ffa442...@ronlherault Message-ID: 338841847.7316041237256126767.javamail.r...@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:ITitem=270357110787 Is this the type of horn you are looking for? Something looks wrong with the elbow set up on this one. Looks like someone may have doctored it to fit the machine. Bruce - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:48:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Vic 1 horn Hi Jay, I have only seen one picture so I am not sure. However, judging from the picture it is the Vic 1 type M. It has the barrel brake and a flat crank. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Jay Horenstein Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 4:30 PM To:
[Phono-L] Lyric phonograph
Correction: I was watching '24' when typing this and not sure what I was thinking.? The address of Newark, NJ cited in the link Bruce posted was used on their records when they went to lateral.? This is when they began to use the Never Scratches trademark on the records.? Also, not sure about the lateral but there were 12 vertical records as well.? According to TMW they were to come out in January 1918. Glenn From: Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:03:18 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lyric phonograph I've been doing some research on Lyraphone but I still have a way to go.? Here's what I can tell you.? Sutton's ARLC says Lyraphone's trademark claimed Lyric as a phonograph brand since October 1915.? I have communicated with the owner of this machine and the pictures I have show no name of Stewart.? It is clearly a Lyric phonograph made by Lyraphone Co. of America.? These are clearly the same company as the Lyric record label.? The records, however, didn't come out until the fall of 1917.? They were vertical cut.? I also have some label images and sleeves on my website at www.majesticrecord.com/labelsl.htm.? What I was very interested in seeing with this phonograph was whether it played vertical, lateral or both.? It plays lateral only unless there was an adaptor of some sort that I don't know about.? This doesn't surprise me though since there's no mention of Lyraphone starting from 1917 in The TAlking Machine World about being a phonograph producer.? All their ads and announcements talk about records only although there's mention of a Lyric adaptor being produced to play them on lateral machines.? The trade directories from?early 1917 on don't list Lyraphone as a machine producer.? I don't have access to earlier information right now but the one piece of evidence I do have is an article from 1917 referring to their past reorganization. So, at the moment, I have to presume they failed as a machine producer and came back as a record producer with General offices in Manhattan and production in Brooklyn.? The only reference I've found to NJ as Bruce's link showed was after they went into receivership in late 1921 and the company resurfaced with the Lyraphone label (no longer Lyric) and they no longer produced the records.? So, it would appear this phonograph is from 1915 or 1916. When I find their incorporation papers I'll see if they actually started there as well.? I don't have information yet on the location of their phonograph operation except the label on the phonograph, which does say New York. Glenn From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:33:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lyric phonograph I think these were also sold as Stewart phonographs, which came in green or wood-grain and were also round.? I have a green one. - Original Message - From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lyric phonograph This is a wild guess but I suspect it may be the same Company that made the Lyric Records, I believe those were the records that had the cat on the label. Maybe they got into the production of phonographs at some point in the late teens when the patent on the flat disc record and disc phonographs ran out and many companies jumped into the market at that time. Bruce - Original Message - From: Ryan Barna ryansrecor...@hotmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:15:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Phono-L] Lyric phonograph Can anyone help this gentleman? I can't find anything in my sources about Lyric machines. Please respond to him directly. From: aelitel...@aol.com Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:43:17 -0400 Subject: Wondering if you new any information about my Lyric table top phonegraph To: ryansrecor...@hotmail.com Hi, Ryan I have a Table top crank phonograph, it says LYRIC AND LYRAPHONE CO. NEW YORK. It is round and made of metal but looks like wood. Approximately 15 inches across at it widest spot. I cant seem to find any info on this phonograph on the net? Thanks Jim Schaffer ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From bruce78...@comcast.net Tue Mar 17 04:11:07 2009 From: bruce78...@comcast.net (bruce78...@comcast.net) Date: Tue Mar 17 04:11:16 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Lyric phonograph In-Reply-To: 496624.67564...@web83712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com Message-ID: 467104408.7351281237288267725.javamail.r...@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net Is there any website where we can see a photo or two of this short-lived and elusive Lyraphone
[Phono-L] phono on ebay
I just replied to an ad in the paper yesterday for Edison records with the usual rare statement for $450. So I called wondering how many hundred there were for that price. There were 5 records. I dug a little deeper but nothing special. The guy was trying to tell me how old they were and they were a deal at less than $100 each. I tried to explain they were fairly common, I had hundreds of them and they were probably only worth a few dollars each but he got mad and hung up on me. From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 4:35:02 PM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] phono on ebay Hi Dan, How about this one? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:ITitem=320344859582 Steve From: ediso...@verizon.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] phono on ebay Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:03:11 -0500 http://cgi.ebay.com/PHONOGRAPH-GRAMOPHONE-HIS-MASTER-VOICE-MODEL-203_W0QQitemZ280314618257 Maybe he's hoping for a Japanese collector who still has money to burn? I wonder if the big cat comes with it - Original Message - From: Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 2:41 PM Subject: [Phono-L] phono on ebay Can anyone please tell me if the HMV Orthophinic model 203 listed on ebay is anything special? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From kugl...@wmconnect.com Sat Feb 28 17:32:33 2009 From: kugl...@wmconnect.com (kugl...@wmconnect.com) Date: Sat Feb 28 17:32:44 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] phono on ebay Message-ID: c72.4b460aba.36db3...@wmconnect.com It is the same mentality of people that say in their ebay ad: This fine and rare phonograph still has the original needle, and it is still in good sha...@#@ There are so many people out there that are in it to turn a quick sale. Anyone in this hobby that wants to learn and become knowledgeable do not hang up or walk away from someone trying to help them out. Keep on smiling and keep the speed limit at 78...rpms, that is! Brantley Williston, S.C. From john9...@pacbell.net Sat Feb 28 22:27:45 2009 From: john9...@pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Sat Feb 28 22:27:51 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] phono on ebay In-Reply-To: c72.4b460aba.36db3...@wmconnect.com Message-ID: 419680.25368...@web83004.mail.mud.yahoo.com There was one on there recently that had and I quote: ten needles (lifetime supply). They must have been those needles that play 12,000 records without changing... JohnRobles --- On Sat, 2/28/09, kugl...@wmconnect.com kugl...@wmconnect.com wrote: From: kugl...@wmconnect.com kugl...@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] phono on ebay To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 5:32 PM It is the same mentality of people that say in their ebay ad: This fine and rare phonograph still has the original needle, and it is still in good sha...@#@ There are so many people out there that are in it to turn a quick sale. Anyone in this hobby that wants to learn and become knowledgeable do not hang up or walk away from someone trying to help them out. Keep on smiling and keep the speed limit at 78...rpms, that is! Brantley Williston, S.C. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Grafonola De Luxe value
I had someone contact me wondering what?the value of his machine is as?he'd like to sell it.? It's currently in climate controlled storage.?? I checked Baumbach's Columbia?book and it's a?Columbia Grafonola De Luxe (first style).? It's in excellent condition as far I can tell from the low res photos.? I'd be interested myself except it's in southern California and not worth dragging over to the other coast.? It has rounded sides and front, carved lion's heads and is quite impressive looking.? Thanks, Glenn
[Phono-L] Victrola VV-240 in Brewster, NY
Folks - there is a VV-240, later style with the curved top in Brewster, NY that a gentlemen is looking to get rid of as he clears out his house.? He and his wife are in their 80s and will be selling the house this year.? If you are interested please contact him at ammi...@gmail.com.? Name is Ammiel Schwartz.? I've been there and have seen it.? There are a few albums of 12 records with it.? The rest of the collection of records came home with me.? It's in solid condition, some wear spots, working fine, although the reproducer needs?new?gaskets and all?as it sounded terrible.? I already have a 240 so left it behind.? No price was really discussed as I didn't plan on bringing it home. Glenn From rrocr...@aol.com Sun Feb 15 16:37:31 2009 From: rrocr...@aol.com (rrocr...@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 15 16:37:42 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Phono-L Digest, Vol 6, Issue 38 Message-ID: c75.4913b372.36ca0...@aol.com Dear Al: Orville White sold many items in his collection to Ray Phillips, parts to Tom Pollard and other machines to Elmer Jones and several other old timer collectors in California. The machine in question appears on Orville's sale list which I still have. The prices are all relevant to the income of the times but sure look cheap now. Gosh, a very long time ago, like 50 years or so. Will dig out that list but 1958 or 1959 sticks in my head. Larry **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe bemailfooterNO62) From clockworkh...@aol.com Sun Feb 15 20:17:43 2009 From: clockworkh...@aol.com (clockworkh...@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 15 20:17:51 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Orville White's Sale List... Early Collector History... Message-ID: c1b.463a65bc.36ca4...@aol.com Dear Larry: I would love to have a copy of Orville's list and am especially interested in what he called his frankenphono. Please feel free to contact me off list. Orville White was diagnosed with a brain tumor and left us in 1969 or 1970 if my memory is correct. Many thanks for adding this to the history of collecting. I would bet that the list posted on this email forum would be greatly enjoyed by all. Today we see many items that are original but are really products of those early collectors. Few people today even know what a Frick's Freak horn is. Sadly they still appear on eBay as original though the Bond-O seams in the old peach can tin has started to separate and one wonders how many good cylinders have been ruined by his Dual Speed Styli? Kindest Regards to All, Al **Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agenciesncid=emlcntusyelp0003) From wilenz...@bellsouth.net Mon Feb 16 12:26:22 2009 From: wilenz...@bellsouth.net (Raymond Wilenzick) Date: Mon Feb 16 12:26:13 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Reproducer wanted Message-ID: 000801c99074$d6066840$6401a...@wilenzick Does anyone know if reproduction Columbia black gutta percha reproducers, as used on the early Columbia cylinder phonos, are available anywhere. Jerry Madsen used to sell these, but they are all gone. Originals are nearly impossible to find, and prohibitively expensive if one could be located. Thanks for any information. Ray From zonoph...@woh.rr.com Mon Feb 16 13:33:34 2009 From: zonoph...@woh.rr.com (Gregory Cline) Date: Mon Feb 16 13:41:45 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor VI Base Cabinet for Sale... Message-ID: 4c9e71710f4c46bb804a1ee787860...@gregg I would like to offer a Herzog model #820 disc record cabinet in Mahogany for sale to the group. This is the model that has Corinthian columns like that of the Victor VI but they are not gold plated. It is pictured in oak on page 110 of Fabrizio/Paul Gadgets and Gizmos book with a value code of VR. It has original finish but will probably need to be refinished to match your Victor VI as it is very dark. It is very solid and most veneer is intact. All of the carving is intact and good shape. The feet are good and complete. In fact the only problem spot, other then the very dark finish is on the upper left side, just below the top. There are a couple of small veneer chips here. On the right side same spot the veneer is cracked but completely intact. The brass pull outside and needle cup inside the door is also missing. All in all this is a very restorable piece to go with your Victor VI. These are very hard to find in any condition and much rarer than the machine itself...What better way to display your flagship machine than on a matching base cabinet! I am offering this as it is a duplicate for me. I am asking $7500 and have seen them for sale for over $10K. I would consider possible trades. I can offer free delivery to the North Carolina, Wayne or Union Shows this spring if that will help. I
[Phono-L] Edison Record Boxes
Well folks thanks for the replies.? Frankly, I know nothing about building web pages and the affects of OS and browser during their creation.? My running joke is the only thing I know about HTML is how to spell it.? I used the wizard that comes with the hosting company to build all the pages.? While it makes it easy for dummies to create them it does have its limitations and instabilities which drive me nuts sometimes - and perhaps this is part of the reason for the problem with Vista viewing them.? For?viewing though?it seemed fine until recently and the common link to anyone who's said they've had a problem so far is Vista.? I've created the site using computers that have had XP with IE.? I don't have Vista so have not seen the problem myself. ? I will need to go back to my hosting company to see if there's some way to solve the problem.? ? Thanks for the feedback. ? Glenn - Original Message From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2008 4:04:48 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Record Boxes Personally I wonder if the problem lies not in the browser but somewhere in MS Vista, an operating system concieved in the bowels of hell and born of Satan's butt.? John Robles --- On Sat, 10/4/08, Rich rich-mail at octoxol.com wrote: From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Record Boxes To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 12:29 PM Well, they copied many FireFox features but not very well though.? They will do better with IE-8. Steven Medved wrote: I like firefox a lot better, it seems to me IE7 copied firefox. ? But IE is the most used browser in the world... ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Edison Record Boxes
Hi Folks, I had mentioned when I first posted about these Edison boxes?that I would be putting pictures up on my website.? They are finally there. www.majesticrecord.com/labelsedison.htm If you're interested in 78 rpm record labels in general I've added a couple hundred in the past month.??? I've now crossed?a barrier that I didn't think I would - it's over 1000, close to 1100 images up on the label pages.? If you happen to check it out I'm interested to know whether you have difficulties viewing the pages.? I had someone say that the words were overlapping the images on their browser.? I've tried it on several and have never seen?a problem.? If you do see?a problem please let me know browser and oeprating system.? Thanks.? Label entry page is here: www.majesticrecord.com/labels.htm As for the site I still have a lot of work to clean it up a bit and?write things about each label. Cheers, Glenn
[Phono-L] Early Edison DD take numbers and other questions...
Hi Folks, I hit the Edison jackpot this weekend.? I came home with about 115 Edison records.? Twenty four of them were in original Edison boxes, one needle type and a Let Us Not Forget.? In all, a good day! There were some interesting peculiarities about the bunch though which leads to some questions. I haven't looked at all Edison DDs in the past but I've only ever seen take letters after the matrix number.? I pulled out several of these early ones from the boxes and I see take numbers.? I checked them against a DD spreadsheet I have (don't remember who sent it to me but it's a complete list of takes and matrix numbers) and only take letters are listed for these records, not numbers.? Is it possible these are different takes or perhaps my take 2 is actually considered B?? I don't have doubles of any of these to compare. Another peculiarity is 6 discs (not in boxes) that have the Explanatory talk by Harry Humphrey?on the L side.? However, they don't have the engraved label, it's blank.? The matrix number and take letter are?there but no label.? Could these be early pressings they were trying to get out the door so quick they didn't finish engraving the mold? 50 of the records came in thick binders (10 records to a binder) that say Edison Records in the spine.??I'm positive they weren't made by Edison as there's no Edison company info on it anywhere but found it interesting?as I'd never seen binders before specifically for Edison DDs. The last peculiarity I've seen before.? A one sided DD that should have a second side but it's blank.? It's supposed to have the Explanatory Talk on the other side.? It's 82521.? I'm guessing again that this was an issue of needing to get it out the door quickly before the other side was done. For those that are interested for discographic reasons I'd be happy to put together a spreadsheet of these early ones with matrix and take numbers for comparison.? Just let me know. I've also noted that the boxes come in two colors, green for the 8 series and blue for the 82000 and 82500 series.??? Did the 5 series ever have boxes as well?? If so, what color were the boxes?? Were there any other colors used? Lastly, is there a record considered?to be?the first released DD?? Thanks, Glenn
[Phono-L] Early Edison DD take numbers and other questions...
Hi Andy, Yes, this is from a collector's collection.? Interestingly, though, the Edison's weren't the focus of the collection and he had nothing to play them on and probably just picked them up at an estate sale.? So, it would appear these came from another collector's collection prior to this one.? I'm guessing he never heard any of these.? Some of them look like they've never been played, although not likely.? I live in CT so it's easily possible that these records migrated from NJ in the past 95 years. The albums also have the metal pull like what Bruce described and say Record Album in a raised letter, circular design on the front. Thanks for the information. For those that have not seen these boxes before I'll be posting pictures to my website soon and will let you know. Regards, Glenn - Original Message From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 12:42:01 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early Edison DD take numbers and other questions... Hi Glenn ~ This is an engaging report.? It would be interesting to know more? about the acquisition circumstances, since this appears to be a? collector's collection.? The only item I can? respond to is the non- Edison albums.? These were made by other suppliers (obviously); I have? one, purple cloth bound, Edison Records lettered on the spine and? thick spacers at the spine interior to give more room between the? sleeves. I've also seen DD records of the pre-paper label era with no label? information appearing. My guess about the one that should have a recording on one side but is? blank, is that it's a test pressing rather than a hurried output of? some kind.? Given that this assortment of records seems to contain? some key examples of Edison record types, one has to wonder if it has? some connection to the Edison companies.? How far from New Jersey are? you?? Sometimes variety packs like this one don't fall far from the? tree. Regards, Andy Baron On Aug 12, 2008, at 7:54 AM, Glenn Longwell wrote: Hi Folks, I hit the Edison jackpot this weekend.? I came home with about 115? Edison records.? Twenty four of them were in original Edison boxes,? one needle type and a Let Us Not Forget.? In all, a good day! There were some interesting peculiarities about the bunch though? which leads to some questions. I haven't looked at all Edison DDs in the past but I've only ever? seen take letters after the matrix number.? I pulled out several of? these early ones from the boxes and I see take numbers.? I checked? them against a DD spreadsheet I have (don't remember who sent it to? me but it's a complete list of takes and matrix numbers) and only? take letters are listed for these records, not numbers.? Is it? possible these are different takes or perhaps my take 2 is actually? considered B?? I don't have doubles of any of these to compare. Another peculiarity is 6 discs (not in boxes) that have the? Explanatory talk by Harry Humphrey on the L side.? However, they? don't have the engraved label, it's blank.? The matrix number and? take letter are there but no label.? Could these be early pressings? they were trying to get out the door so quick they didn't finish? engraving the mold? 50 of the records came in thick binders (10 records to a binder)? that say Edison Records in the spine.? I'm positive they weren't? made by Edison as there's no Edison company info on it anywhere but? found it interesting as I'd never seen binders before specifically? for Edison DDs. The last peculiarity I've seen before.? A one sided DD that should? have a second side but it's blank.? It's supposed to have the? Explanatory Talk on the other side.? It's 82521.? I'm guessing again? that this was an issue of needing to get it out the door quickly? before the other side was done. For those that are interested for discographic reasons I'd be happy? to put together a spreadsheet of these early ones with matrix and? take numbers for comparison.? Just let me know. I've also noted that the boxes come in two colors, green for the? 8 series and blue for the 82000 and 82500 series.? ? Did the? 5 series ever have boxes as well?? If so, what color were the? boxes?? Were there any other colors used? Lastly, is there a record considered to be the first released DD? Thanks, Glenn ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] (no subject)
Hi - I recently picked up a record collection that had a mostly 10 but some 12 Victor?record binders that hold 16/17 records and had the letter on the binder side.? It was the first time I had seen these larger binders?as I've only seen the ones that hold 10 and 12 records that look like this.? Did these come with a specific machine or were they just ones you could buy separately (or both)?? Did I just coincidentally miss finding these all these years or are the that uncommon? Thanks, Glenn
[Phono-L] (no subject)
Thanks!? I have the Victor Data Book but use it mostly for machine info.? I even had it out today for something. ?I totally missed the section on albums.? OK, so next time I'll look a bit more closely at the information on my bookshelf! If anyone's interested in these?contact me off list.? I can tell you condition of each and the letters available.? Trades welcome.? info at majesticrecord.com. Cheers, Glenn - Original Message From: phonolist at mac.com phonol...@mac.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 5:42:00 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] (no subject) These sound like the albums that Victor used in the 1909-1914 time? period.? The were common then, but since they were only used for a? short time, they are less common than the red ones.? They came with? certain Victrolas, and you could buy them separately.? There is a? photo and a description in the Victor Data Book, in the section on? albums. On Jun 25, 2008, at 2:22 PM, Glenn Longwell wrote: Hi - I recently picked up a record collection that had a mostly 10? but some 12 Victor record binders that hold 16/17 records and had? the letter on the binder side.? It was the first time I had seen? these larger binders as I've only seen the ones that hold 10 and 12? records that look like this.? Did these come with a specific machine? or were they just ones you could buy separately (or both)?? Did I? just coincidentally miss finding these all these years or are the? that uncommon? Thanks, Glenn ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Wierd cylinder
There was no statement about what it might be made of.? I worked with a customer of mine several years ago that molded items that look very similar to this out of plastic for the textile industry.? They don't look like this any more as they are honeycombed, not solid - at least the ones I saw were.? They were used to wind thread onto.? Any grooving on it would likely be to catch the threads to keep them from sliding off.?? I can't say that's what it really is but is my best guess.? Any other guesses? Glenn - Original Message From: BruceY bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 9:57:48 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Wierd cylinder Sorry I missed the replies on this one. Did anyone establish what this really is and who mfg. it? Bruce - Original Message - From: aph4...@aol.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 1:50 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Wierd cylinder OK group.? Does anyone have any idea what this thing? is?? What am I missing? See ebay # 170216463372 Thanks,? Art Heller **Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Operaphone phonograph
Hi - check out the following item # on epay, 130220569698. Is this the same company that produced the vertical cut, then universal cut records from 1915-1921? My research into them has been minimal so far and there is indication that they were to produce phonographs as well as records but I haven't seen anything from the company that would indicate that they actually did make the phonographs (I've noticed incorporation papers were very broad based and would say many things the company had no immediate plans for). It's possible this is another company that took their name in the 20s after their demise. My guess is this is from the 20s and beyond the time Operaphone (the record manufacturer) was in existence. Not that I'll be shelling out $4000 for it... Thanks, Glenn
[Phono-L] Thicker Edison records
I stopped at an estate sale this morning and picked up about a dozen Diamond Discs. Nothing earth shattering but I happened to run into someone on the way out who stopped me to talk records. He pointed at the records and said his father had, at one point, some real thick records from Edison. So I showed him that these were indeed thick and Edison records. He insisted that he knew of these, has some, but his father had the early ones that were even thicker, one sided and motioned with his two fingers that they could have been 1/2 to 1 thick. He said they were donated to a local school so I'll see if they still exist there, which is unlikely, because it was a long time ago. What could he be referring to? He was adamant that it wasn't the standard 1/4 thick discs. I see in Frow's book that master wax discs were 1 thick (page 215). This is possible. Were there any experimental records made that are known to be thicker? I'll keep you posted if someone at the school is willing to let me dig around their storage. Glenn From lhera...@bu.edu Sat Apr 26 18:30:13 2008 From: lhera...@bu.edu (Ron L'Herault) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 21:30:13 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Chat Message-ID: 003f01c8a806$3e6e5f30$2f01a...@ronlherault The chat, which was not operational earlier tonight is up and running. Ron L
[Phono-L] Edison LC-38 cabinet
Do you still have it? Curious as to serial number. Was it low or high number? Maybe they made a cheaper design near the end of production that got rid of the hinge? The only remnant on mine as to what was there are the screw holes. Can't tell from that. Glenn - Original Message From: Bruce Mercer maxbu...@wowway.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2008 4:34:23 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison LC-38 cabinet Years ago I bought a still crated LU-38 upright. It had a conventional motor board, nothing unusual at all, a 100 sized horn and a nickel plated Edisonic reproducer. I have no idea what hinged access to the motor compartment would have been. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From appywan...@hotmail.com Sat Mar 1 19:35:20 2008 From: appywan...@hotmail.com (John Maeder) Date: Sat Mar 1 19:35:32 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor #24-B brass horn Message-ID: blu112-w1665439f0c5c4aae407bb2dc...@phx.gbl Has the #24-B brass horn ever been reproduced? If so, are they available and where? Anyone have an original for sale? Thanks! John From deedeebl...@yahoo.com Sun Mar 2 07:53:06 2008 From: deedeebl...@yahoo.com (DeeDee Blais) Date: Sun Mar 2 07:53:27 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] For Sale Message-ID: 667236.17003...@web37013.mail.mud.yahoo.com Yesterday I bought a project that I simply don't have time to complete before Union and I thought I'd offer it on the list. It's a golden oak VV-X. It's the type with four doors and horizontal storage for records. It is 100% complete and untouched but it's missing a thumbnail size piece of veneer at the bottom of one of the storage doors and the motor has a broken spring. I would be happy to provide photos and the price delivered to Union is $175. Please contact me off list if interested. Thanks, Jerry Blais Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[Phono-L] Edison LC-38 cabinet
I was able to rescue a gutted Edison London Console (LC-38) cabinet today at an estate sale. The outside is in good condition but has been used as a cabinet and not a phonograph for many years. Both grills are in good shape, which was the main reason for not leaving it there. If anyone has the works and looking for a cabinet please contact me off list. Or conversely, if anyone is looking to offload a motor, motorboard and horn for this I might be convinced to keep it. The main detraction is the record storage woodwork is not complete and dividers are missing. Cheers, Glenn From lhera...@bu.edu Fri Feb 29 11:17:00 2008 From: lhera...@bu.edu (Ron L) Date: Fri Feb 29 11:19:14 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison LC-38 cabinet In-Reply-To: 550601.55456...@web83706.mail.sp1.yahoo.com References: 550601.55456...@web83706.mail.sp1.yahoo.com Message-ID: 004801c87b07$a8724df0$90d42...@ad.bu.edu Did they take a special/different motor and/or horn, Glenn? If not, I may have a horn and motor for you for a reasonable price. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Longwell Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:09 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Edison LC-38 cabinet I was able to rescue a gutted Edison London Console (LC-38) cabinet today at an estate sale. The outside is in good condition but has been used as a cabinet and not a phonograph for many years. Both grills are in good shape, which was the main reason for not leaving it there. If anyone has the works and looking for a cabinet please contact me off list. Or conversely, if anyone is looking to offload a motor, motorboard and horn for this I might be convinced to keep it. The main detraction is the record storage woodwork is not complete and dividers are missing. Cheers, Glenn ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Edison LC-38 cabinet
Frow says it's a No. 100 horn and a single spring motor - similar to the other London models. The other interesting note is that It was the first of the cheap Edison models to have hinged access to the motor compartment. So I would assume the motorboard is different for this than other models and would need to be from another LC-38. I've never seen the inside of one so don't know what it's supposed to look like. So if I was to get a full setup I might be interested but first priority would be to try and find another good home for the cabinet. Thanks, Glenn - Original Message From: Ron L lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:17:00 PM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Edison LC-38 cabinet Did they take a special/different motor and/or horn, Glenn? If not, I may have a horn and motor for you for a reasonable price. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Longwell Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:09 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Edison LC-38 cabinet I was able to rescue a gutted Edison London Console (LC-38) cabinet today at an estate sale. The outside is in good condition but has been used as a cabinet and not a phonograph for many years. Both grills are in good shape, which was the main reason for not leaving it there. If anyone has the works and looking for a cabinet please contact me off list. Or conversely, if anyone is looking to offload a motor, motorboard and horn for this I might be convinced to keep it. The main detraction is the record storage woodwork is not complete and dividers are missing. Cheers, Glenn ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From bruce78...@comcast.net Fri Feb 29 15:21:26 2008 From: bruce78...@comcast.net (bruce78...@comcast.net) Date: Fri Feb 29 15:21:41 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison LC-38 cabinet Message-ID: 022920082321.27014.47c89376000c49b669862200745672039f9dc8c90a0c9a9...@comcast.net I may have a lead on an L-38 console that would be a good parts machine for you. I turned it down because of the condition of the cabinet, and grill was destroyed and it did not have the original reproducer but instead one of those off brand tone arm and 78rpm conversion reproducers. But I believe the rest of everything including the motor and crank etc. was there and in working order. If you are interested let me know what you would be willing to pay for what I described and I could contact the fellow and see if he still has it and is interested in letting it go for that amount. Bruce -- Original message -- From: Ron L lhera...@bu.edu Did they take a special/different motor and/or horn, Glenn? If not, I may have a horn and motor for you for a reasonable price. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Longwell Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:09 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Edison LC-38 cabinet I was able to rescue a gutted Edison London Console (LC-38) cabinet today at an estate sale. The outside is in good condition but has been used as a cabinet and not a phonograph for many years. Both grills are in good shape, which was the main reason for not leaving it there. If anyone has the works and looking for a cabinet please contact me off list. Or conversely, if anyone is looking to offload a motor, motorboard and horn for this I might be convinced to keep it. The main detraction is the record storage woodwork is not complete and dividers are missing. Cheers, Glenn ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Edison Standard B question
Hi - someone had sent me some pictures of an Edison Standard they are looking to potentially sell. I have posted one of the pictures on my website at: http://www.majesticrecord.com/standard.htm It's a Model B but has the horizontal carriage with large eye. I'm not an expert on this but I'd like to confirm that no other modification needed to be done to put this carriage on the Model B. It's a Model C reproducer, unfortunately with a broken hinge pin. Any comments on age of horn? Is this a reproduction? Why would someone set it up this way other than that this was the only carriage available to them at the time so that's what was used. It has been this way since at least 1981. Thanks, Glenn From lhera...@bu.edu Wed Feb 13 13:01:31 2008 From: lhera...@bu.edu (Ron L) Date: Wed Feb 13 13:03:29 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] threaded needles In-Reply-To: 47b3502c.7000...@mediaguide.com References: 000601c86819$e97a0be0$0200a...@office47a8bd72.7020...@mediaguide.combay123-dav14049431ae33eba9f9485daa...@phx.gbl003d01c86849$a75cd780$6400a...@hpa1514nbay123-dav8d9ec8feaac0c056609b5aa...@phx.gbl002701c86868$be365b60$6400a...@hpa1514nbay102-w390dfe8801f25d44acb4f3f6...@phx.gbl 003b01c86aab$aaaf34a0$6400a...@hpa1514n bay102-w3408c96e4bb9f89a711a06f6...@phx.gbl 001b01c86b58$6463df20$6400a...@hpa1514n1885592092.20080209134...@noring.name 47b3502c.7000...@mediaguide.com Message-ID: 005501c86e83$9bdef330$90d42...@ad.bu.edu Isn't sabot a French word for boot? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Thatcher Graham Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 3:17 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] threaded needles As an engineer I could not help but to fixate on this threaded needle idea. I agree that threading needles solves the mass issue hence the instinctive appeal, but the difficult manufacture is equally discouraging. As an alternative, have you considered a sabot? -Thatcher Jon Noring wrote: Greg wrote: Threading the needle shank and having it screw into the needle bar is an option. I hadn't considered that before, but it would pretty well solve the extra mass problem. But it would make the needles pretty involved to manufacture. I'll keep it in mind. Yes, it would be involved if all the needles are threaded by hand or in small numbers, especially at the diameter being considered. It is intriguing to consider using a very fine threaded rod, if even manufactured in the desired material(s). One would have to grind and polish to create the tip geometry. Which brings up the idea that if a needle is to be especially manufactured, one could consider tipping it with a different material that can be specially shaped (such as spherical or elliptical with no sharp edges at all. It is my understanding that most damage to grooves is due to a tip which is no longer smooth. Maybe the tip could be made from a material of the same hardness as the grit used in shellac discs (is it corundum?) to wear down the needle. Just thinking outside the box... Jon ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
