Re: [Phono-L] Grafonola 150E
John, If you can't find a good original part check with phono parts supplier Ron Sitko in NY. I recall seeing new nickel replacement Columbia elbow castings on his table at a recent phono show, he could probably tell you whether it is compatible with your electric model. Others here may have his contact information. Ron is well known in the hobby and a great resource. The original (potmetal) part is often swollen or cracked but sometimes you can find a good one. Best of luck with your project. -Mark -Original Message- From: john coffman jdcoffm...@comcast.net Sent: Oct 23, 2013 3:14 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Grafonola 150E Hello again,I no longer need to figure out how to free up the elbow as it broke apart in the removal attempt.If any one has an early tone arm elbow for sale please contact me.Thanks,John ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944 with a model number AP-952amplifier. information needed
Bob and Others, For those interested I added scans of the Victor amplifier service bulletins and the 20 page 1927 Brunswick Panatrope with Radiola Owners instruction manual to my DropBox site. The Panatrope manual has very nice instruction for tuning the dual drum Catacomb Radiola 28 and similar radios. Let me know if you would like an invitation to the shared DropBox folder so you can download them. Mark -Original Message- From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net Sent: Dec 4, 2012 12:01 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944 witha model number AP-952amplifier. information needed Mark: thanks Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mark Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 9:03 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944 with a model number AP-952amplifier. information needed Bob, Give me a few days, I will get it out iby the weekend. No charge, hope it is helpful. Sent from my iPad On Dec 3, 2012, at 9:18 PM, Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net wrote: Mark: The scan would be appreciated, as anything we get seems to help. Let me know what if anything you need. maff...@bresnan.net Later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of mark lynch Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:15 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944 with a model number AP-952amplifier. information needed Bob, I can send you a scan of Victor Service Bulletin #1 which covers the tomcat amps like your AP-952, the service bulletins were intended to be used by the technician at the local Victor dealer. There are quite a few different bulletins covering many service aspects, there are no fewer than three versions of the bulletin covering the second style changer as used in the VE10-69, 9-54 and 10-35. --Mark -Original Message- From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net Sent: Nov 28, 2012 10:17 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944 with a modelnumber AP-952amplifier. information needed Greg: Wonderful! Please send the PDF as we don't have a thing to go on, other than some of the tubes are well expensive! In the event you run across anything about the AZ 944 it would be appreciated. It appears that something is missing in the very back behind the tone arm which must work a switch below. again, THANKS a bunch Bob maff...@bresnan.net -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Greg Bogantz Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 6:50 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944 with a model number AP-952amplifier. information needed Hi Bob, I have a copy of the RCA AP-952 schematic in my Rider's Perpetual Troubleshooter's Manual, volume 1. I can email it to you as an Adobe .PDF file if you need it. You can view it and print it from the free Adobe Reader software. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:27 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944 with a model number AP-952amplifier. information needed Phono list: Some years back I had inquired about aBrunswick model AZ-944 phonograph, with a model number AP-952 amplifier. Someone had replied with a comment they had a schematic or documentation on the machine. I filed it away and ! can't find it now that I need it. *grin* If anyone has such, I would appreciate an E-mail / phone / address contact, so I could obtain such. I am getting around to considering restoring this with a phono companion. Sure would like anything on the machine etc. I trust this is not to far off topic as the phonograph was made around 1925 -1930? Thanks Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] FS Orthophonic 8-35
Both the VV-8-35 and the spare cabinet have been sold. Many thanks to all who responded. --Mark -Original Message- From: Mark markely...@earthlink.net Sent: Dec 1, 2012 1:10 PM To: Phono-L phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] FS Orthophonic 8-35 1. VV-8-35 Orthophonic machine for sale, it is complete but without albums, unrestored, torn grille cloth and some chips on top, finish is otherwise nice. $175 2. Empty 8-35 walnut cabinet with nice grille and hardware includes triangular winding escutcheon, no horn or albums, decent finish. I bought this to restore the above a long time ago but need the space now. My plan was to unscrew the top and move it and the grille to #1 $75 Both for $200 total Can arrange shipping or part out. DC area of Maryland Thanks Mark 301-906-9489 Sent from my iPad ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944 with a model number AP-952amplifier. information needed
Bob, I can send you a scan of Victor Service Bulletin #1 which covers the tomcat amps like your AP-952, the service bulletins were intended to be used by the technician at the local Victor dealer. There are quite a few different bulletins covering many service aspects, there are no fewer than three versions of the bulletin covering the second style changer as used in the VE10-69, 9-54 and 10-35. --Mark -Original Message- From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net Sent: Nov 28, 2012 10:17 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944 with a model number AP-952amplifier. information needed Greg: Wonderful! Please send the PDF as we don't have a thing to go on, other than some of the tubes are well expensive! In the event you run across anything about the AZ 944 it would be appreciated. It appears that something is missing in the very back behind the tone arm which must work a switch below. again, THANKS a bunch Bob maff...@bresnan.net -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Greg Bogantz Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 6:50 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944 with a model number AP-952amplifier. information needed Hi Bob, I have a copy of the RCA AP-952 schematic in my Rider's Perpetual Troubleshooter's Manual, volume 1. I can email it to you as an Adobe .PDF file if you need it. You can view it and print it from the free Adobe Reader software. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:27 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Brunswick model AZ-944 with a model number AP-952amplifier. information needed Phono list: Some years back I had inquired about aBrunswick model AZ-944 phonograph, with a model number AP-952 amplifier. Someone had replied with a comment they had a schematic or documentation on the machine. I filed it away and ! can't find it now that I need it. *grin* If anyone has such, I would appreciate an E-mail / phone / address contact, so I could obtain such. I am getting around to considering restoring this with a phono companion. Sure would like anything on the machine etc. I trust this is not to far off topic as the phonograph was made around 1925 -1930? Thanks Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Victor 10-50 castings
Does anyone have a set of Charlie Weatherby's Victor 10-50 castings for sale? After many years Charlie is finally out of stock and a friend needs a set (or partial set) for a restoration project. Please contact me off list if you can help. Thanks, Mark ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Edison NHP Presentation Humanity's First Recordings of its Own Voice
A fascinating presentation at the Edison NHP next Saturday. Read below for free reservations. Hope to see some of you there. Best, Mark Humanity's First Recordings of its Own Voice - David Giovannoni at Thomas Edison NHP, November 6, 7:00 pm Thomas Edison NHP News Release Contact: Karen Sloat-Olsen Phone: 973-736-0550 x17 Reservations: 973-736-0550 x89 Humanity's First Recordings of its Own Voice Historian David Giovannoni Presentation WEST ORANGE, NJ - On Saturday evening, November 6, 2010, at 7:00 pm, Thomas Edison National Historical Park welcomes historian David Giovannoni who will give a 75-minute illustrated presentation titled Humanity's First Recordings of its Own Voice. The program will be held at the Laboratory Complex at 211 Main Street. Admission to the program is free. Seating is limited and reservations are required. Reservations can be made by calling 973-736-0550, ext.89. Thomas Edison's tinfoil phonograph of 1877 is rightly considered one of the marvels of the nineteenth century. But in mid-nineteenth-century France, amateur inventor Édouard-Léon Scott de Martinville conceived of a rather similar machine. Between 1854 and 1860 he experimented with focusing airborne sounds of speech and music onto paper. His phonautograph bore a striking resemblance to Edison's phonograph of 20 years later. But his recordings, unlike Edison's, were meant to be read by the eye, not heard by the ear. For a century-and-a-half his experiments lay quietly in the venerable French archives in which he deposited them. Then in 2007 a few audio historians hypothesized there was a real possibility that modern technology could develop these experimental recordings like dormant photographic plates. Instead of exposing images, however, these would bear sounds perhaps even humanity's first recordings of its own voice! In this presentation David Giovannoni recounts how he and his colleagues have identified dozens of these forgotten documents and coaxed several to talk and to sing. A principal in their discovery and recovery, Giovannoni is the first person since Scott de Martinville to personally examine every recording. He'll explain how they were made and how they are played. He'll discuss Scott de Martinville experiments, his reception in established scientific circles, and his early descent into an unmarked grave. For more information or directions please call 973-736-0550 ext. 11 or visit our website at www.nps.gov/edis. -NPS- National Park Service U.S. Department of the Interior Thomas Edison National Historical Park 211 Main Street West Orange, NJ 07052 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Moving Services--John Wrasse's Upcoming Schedule!
Happy Holidays For those of you looking for a careful mover I heartily recommend John Wrasse. He has moved many pieces for me and regularly serves Jasper SanFillippo and some of the high profile guys. His rates are reasonable but not the cheapest. Unlike two other movers I have used John has provided quick service and without damage. Mark [Original Message] From: piano...@iowatelecom.net Date: 12/21/2009 7:25:26 PM Subject: John Wrasse's Upcoming Schedule! Happy Holidays!! Soon after the new year, John Wrasse Piano Pro Moving and Storage will be routing from Bellevue IA (home base) to Denver and Colorado Springs CO returning on Interstate 70 through Kansas City and Saint Louis MO, Illinois and Iowa. After returning from Colorado, John will head east to Florida ~ We still have space availability at this time ~ Please let us know if you have any questions for John or would like a quote for any upcoming move! John Wrasse moves any mechanical machine and device up to and including band organs, the largest orchestrian, player grand pianos, complete antique collections and private museums. John completes the job from disassembly, packaging, loading, transporting, reassembly and test for your orchestrian, player grand or any other mechanical musical instrument. Piano Pro Moving gives a personalized service. John Wrasse has 25 years of experience in full time piano moving and restoration. John oversees and directs every aspect of each move with competence and expertise from pickup to delivery. He also specializes in rare and valuable antique pianos and is a member of the AMICA Music Collectors Association. If you are interested in John Wrasse's travels let us know ~ I will continue to post updates!! Thank You! Donna Mae (563)580-5035 Piano Pro Moving and Storage John Wrasse, Proprietor 31387 ~ 216th Street Bellevue, Iowa 52031 (563)580-2472 www.pianopromoving.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Looking For The Fred Barnum Book
There were several copies at the Wayne Show, I agree Allen it is a lovely book. Check with Charlie Hummel and Charlie Martin. [Original Message] From: allena...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 11/2/2009 7:05:27 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking For The Fred Barnum Book In a message dated 11/2/2009 6:33:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kugl...@wmconnect.com writes: Hi - Does anyone have or know when I can find a copy of this book (by Fred barnum)? Any help very much appreciated. Thanks. -- We used to sell this limited-edition title, but it is now out of print and very expensive. It's a beautiful book though. Allen _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Edison Site Tickets
Did anyone reserve tickets for the Edison Site private opening this Friday that will not be able to attend? I would dearly like to find 2 tickets. Please contact me if you can help. Best Regards, Mark ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] The Record Disc Corp.
Gregory, Here is contact information for Steve Smolian, he can help you with your family recordings. http://soundsaver.com/default.htm Best Regards, Mark [Original Message] From: gregory caringi drgr...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 11/15/2008 10:23:48 PM Subject: [Phono-L] The Record Disc Corp. Although this may be a little off-topic, I recently came into possession of a cache of old recordings made by my uncle in 1946. These are transcriptions of the voices of my family 62 years ago. Pretty cool. He also recorded some radio programs including a game between the Yankees the Brooklyn Dodgers. In addition to The Record Disc Corp., there are also transcription recordings on National Recording Disc, Melodisc, Century Radio Co., The Recordisc Corp., Philco Safety Record, and the Wilcox-Gay Corp. Some are recorded at 78 rpm, but most are 33 1/3. In addition to getting more information about this whole recording process, I need to solve a problem. The discs are recorded on different substrates. Paper, aluminum, and some type of magnetic iron or steel. The most valuable recordings are on the magnetic steel records. In addition to my many victrolas, I have two fully functional turntables with modern magnetic cartridges. I cannot play the discs. The cartridge gets sucked flat onto the steel records, compressing the cantilever stylus by magnetic attraction. So. How do I play these recordings? My only solution is to find an old record player with an inexpensive crystal cartridge. Any other ideas? Any insight into this process is greatly appreciated. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B
Hi George, I always enjoy your articles and am happy to submit this info on my mahogany Amberola. Best Regards, Mark 1) Type (1A or 1B)? 1B 2) Serial Number (and do data plate and mechanism numbers match? Mech: 4248-B1 Data plate: 4248 B1 3) Lid: smooth or stepped? Stepped 4) Upper front corner posts: plain or carved? Carved 5) Grille: Lyre, first rococo, or second rococo (all shown on page 163 of Frow)? Second rococo 6) Apron (bottom of cabinet): wavy or more flattened (as shown on page 163 of Frow)? More flattened 7) Drawers: wooden separators or metal clips? Metal Clips [Original Message] From: gpaul2000 at aol.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: 10/25/2008 11:47:11 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B I'm asking for data from owners of Amberolas 1A and 1B. I'm working on an article on the early Amberolas, similar to a study done on suitcase Homes two years ago and published in The Sound Box. Data received will be compiled in an article scheduled to appear in the March 2009 issue of The Sound Box, and all contributors will be acknowledged. (If you'd like your data/identity to be kept confidential, I will of course honor your wishes. I can be contacted directly at gpaul2000 at aol.com.) I'm looking for the following information from owners of Amberolas 1A or 1B: 1) Type (1A or 1B)? 2) Serial Number (and do data plate and mechanism numbers match? 3) Lid: smooth or stepped? 4) Upper front corner posts: plain or carved? 5) Grille: Lyre, first rococo, or second rococo (all shown on page 163 of Frow)? 6) Apron (bottom of cabinet): wavy or more flattened (as shown on page 163 of Frow)? 7) Drawers: wooden separators or metal clips? I will gratefully accept data here at Phono-L, or at gpaul2000 at aol.com. Thanks in advance for your help! Best to all, George Paul ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] FS: Herzog Half-Barrel Cylinder Cabinet
The Herzog cabinet is sold--Thanks for all that inquired. I wish I had a few more... The Nipper painting and Rust Discographies are still available. Kind Regards, Mark [Original Message] From: Mark Lynch markelynch at earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: 10/13/2008 7:58:16 PM Subject: [Phono-L] FS: Herzog Half-Barrel Cylinder Cabinet I have a few items I'd like to offer to List Members first: 1. Oak Herzog half-barrel cabinet, original shelves except top one removed, new pegs. Solid cabinet, no water damage. Appears to have been lightly shellac coated over original finish long ago. Nice flake pattern in oak door veneer. Very nice! $1275 2. Nipper painting on stretched canvas, nice reproduction probably 1980's vintage, framed $150 3. Orthophonic discography by Brian Rust Victor Master Book Vol 2 (long out of print) $175 4. Brian Rust Jazz Records 4th edition w/dust jackets in mylar sleeves, 2 volumes, clean$175 Shipping or pickup in MD near DC. Best Regards, Mark 301-906-9489 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] FS: Herzog Half-Barrel Cylinder Cabinet
I have a few items I'd like to offer to List Members first: 1. Oak Herzog half-barrel cabinet, original shelves except top one removed, new pegs. Solid cabinet, no water damage. Appears to have been lightly shellac coated over original finish long ago. Nice flake pattern in oak door veneer. Very nice! $1275 2. Nipper painting on stretched canvas, nice reproduction probably 1980's vintage, framed $150 3. Orthophonic discography by Brian Rust Victor Master Book Vol 2 (long out of print) $175 4. Brian Rust Jazz Records 4th edition w/dust jackets in mylar sleeves, 2 volumes, clean $175 Shipping or pickup in MD near DC. Best Regards, Mark 301-906-9489
[Phono-L] Orthophonic Driver for Victor 10-51
Sorry Walt--Try this one: http://home.earthlink.net/~markelynch/Mark/Electrola/10-51_Driver.jpg Here are a few more of the internals: http://home.earthlink.net/~markelynch/Mark/Electrola/10-51_Diaphragm.JPG http://home.earthlink.net/~markelynch/Mark/Electrola/10-51_Driver_Cap.JPG http://home.earthlink.net/~markelynch/Mark/Electrola/10-51_Driver_Magnet.JPG Mark [Original Message] From: Walt waltsomm...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 7/29/2007 6:03:18 PM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Driver for Victor 10-51 Mark, Your link is associated with a file whose format doesn't allow it to open as a picture. Walt -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mark Lynch Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 3:45 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Driver for Victor 10-51 I'm looking for a repalcement horn driver for a 10-51 Automatic Electrola. I posted a picture here: http://home.earthlink.net/~markelynch/Mark/Electrola/10-51%20Driver As you can see they suffer the same pot metal woes as other reproducers and parts of this era. These were also used on the later 8-60 and 9-40 in place of the U shaped permanent magnet type horn driver. Let me know if you have one or parts for one for sale. Lind Regards, Mark ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.23/924 - Release Date: 7/28/2007 3:50 PM ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] the early a-250
Andy, Please add the mahogany A250 in my collection, serial number 3215, to the list that uses the two piece hinged stop finger. I hesitate to describe this as a user adjustable or semi automatic stop until that has be established through research. The use a riveted joint to provide stop adjustment is not good engineering prctice because the joint would soon wear and slip. Also, notice the tab to hold the finger in the fully extended position as in the one piece design. I that suspect that the hinged finger has to do with motor servicing. The A-250 motor plate is not bolted to the case like on the later C-250 but hinged on the right in the same way as theAmberola 1 (B) mechanism. To service the Amberola the motor it is tilted up on the left and placed on the metal prop at the left end. I think this was planned for the A-250. Being able to retract the stop finger from overhanging the motorplate provided the ability to do this. What is not clear to me at this point is how to easily disengage the horn drive mechanism (rack) to allow the motor plate to swing up completely without removing it from the pivots. Perhaps we can investigate this. If it was not found impractical perhaps the hinged finger design was scrapped. Are there examples of A-250's without the hinged motor plate which use the later 3 bolt mounting design? That would also be a reason to abandon the hinged stop finger. I would be most happy if you post the results of your survey. Peter, thanks for posting the photos. Best Regards, Mark Silver Spring, MD [Original Message] From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 6/23/2007 11:05:00 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] the early a-250 Thanks, Peter for this very welcome report. I've just returned from a day out in my vintage car and will take some time to review these latest comments and reply, most likely tomorrow. Thanks also for posting the images and password so that others can conveniently view them. Fascinating stuff about the serial numbers. I can add more to this when I get a moment. Thanks to Peter, Ron, George, John, Rich and Bruce for the input. If any others of our readers have more to add to the serial numbers and details of the A-250 or other first-generation D.D. phonographs, I'd love to include the data in our compilation. Best to All, Andy Baron On Jun 23, 2007, at 5:24 PM, john robles wrote: The highest Model A 250 serial number I've ever seen was in the mid-12,000 range of numbers. Hmm, my own A250 is numbered 12080, so I guess it is later in production than I thought. Either that or it is the one that Ron is talking about since he's been to my house a few times. There is another difference int he A-250 that I haven't found in the others. The lock mechanism takes a key that has only one notch cut into the 'tooth', not two as in all other DDs I have had or seen. I have a Dolphin key that has the one notch cut in it as the other will not fit. John Robles Peter Fraser pjfra...@alamedanet.net wrote: Hi - Well, I heard back from Ron Dethlefson, and enclose his response below. And here are the pictures of Andy's machine, plus some additional oxidozed bronze hardware pix from Bruce Mercer: http://homepage.mac.com/pjfraser/phono/PhotoAlbum233.html the password is pook2e (no quotes). For large-scale versions of the pix, use the slideshow button, or single-click the individual shot in which you're interested. Cheers, Peter pjfra...@alamedanet.net Begin forwarded message: From: ronald dethlefson Date: June 23, 2007 9:53:26 AM PDT To: Peter Fraser Subject: Re: pictures of the early a-250 Nephew, Yes, the stop mechanism shown is the first one. It's the same as on my A-250 #161. I've seen these mechanisms on #158 and #171. They probably were on the first 200 A250s manufactured in late 1912, according to Frow. A250s through #1200 were manufactured by March 1913, again according to Frow. The sound vents in the sides of the cabinets ended about #1200 too. I suspect that the stop mechanism was changed due to some patent issue. So much of the factory documentation was destroyed in the Dec. 1914 fire that the only way to document changes in Model A pnonographs is to look at the machines themselves. At least we now know that the first stop mechanism, was in use into the 1400 range of serial numbers. One other Model A tidbit. I've never seen a Model A 250 numbered lower than #109. This leads me to suspect that serial numbers began with 100. The highest Model A 250 serial number I've ever seen was in the mid-12,000 range of numbers. Regards, Uncle On Jun 22, 2007, at 11:58 PM, Peter Fraser wrote: Early_A_250_levers Later_A-250_controls A_250_bedplate_detail -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com
[Phono-L] Victor part needed
John--Ron Sitko sells a good reproduction pivot kit with the spring if you do not locate an original. Mark -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net Sent: Jun 18, 2007 8:07 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Victor part needed Hi All I need the spring and tonearm pivot for a Victor II. That's the little metal rod with a point at one end that holds the tonearm against the back bracket. Anyone got one they can spare/ I need the spring too. Thanks! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Re: need someone to haul something to Union/ Elgin Picnic
Bob, If its crated and you don't find anyone to haul it try ForwardAir. I've had good results and you can't beat the rates. ForwardAir.com See you in Union. Have you heard about the Thursday Church Picnic in Elgin? http://home.comcast.net/~messiahlutheranchurchfundraiser Mark [Original Message] From: Bob Johnson bjohn...@mrvictor.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 5/21/2007 5:39:21 PM Subject: [Phono-L] need someone to haul something to Union Hi All: I have a medium size crate sitting in Hillsborough NC (near Durham) and I am looking for someone who might transport it to Union in a couple of weeks. Of course I would pay for your troubles. Thanks. Bob Johnson ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Bearings
Hey Walt, Not only did five out of four students at my High School have trouble with fractions but the other half couldn't even count! Here is the link to the Victor electrodeposited Orthophonic diaphragm we were talking about. I doubt it was ever put into production as the Orthophonic era was so brief and likely it was faster to form a diaphragm between dies. A fascinating idea none the less. http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT1793483id=a2lFEBAJpg=PP1dq=vic tor+talking+machine+1931#PPP1,M1 Wanted: I am in search or a Victor Orthophonic/Electrola horn driver for a 10-51 or later 8-60/9-40. This is the large version with the electromagnetic field coil not the more common permanent magnet horseshoe type. Victor refered to it as an intermediate speaker and it contains a large electrically driven orthophonic diaphragm. I can send pictures of the insides for anyone interested. I would be most pleased if everyone would keep me in mind. Best Wishes, Mark [Original Message] From: Walt waltsomm...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 1/11/2007 10:03:32 PM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Bearings Mark, Five out of four students is the same as saying 125% of the students...lol... I was reading another Victor patent that had to do with the last [production] version of the No.2 reproducer. If I look it up again I will get the number for everyone to take a look. In that particular patent, Eldridge Johnson set forth several concepts, not all of which were ever implemented in production. One of the ideas featured a needle bar balance system that used both a spring to establish neutral balance of the needle bar as well as bearings to keep the bar in parallel [with the record plane]. But it is obvious why Victor never implemented the system - there is no doubt that the springs could not be so precisely made or installed or bearings so accurately set as to not conflict (in some degree) with the forces that the bearings would otherwise try to uniformly establish about the circumference of the bar ends. The bottom line is that the springs would always have a tendency to move the bar away from center (probably along both axes) and work against what the bearings were trying to do. It's just a bad idea... So what was Eldridge Johnson's motive for such a bizarre design? I think the man's engineering skills were such that he certainly knew that the idea, although patented and easy enough to build, could not work as well as those already in use. I often wonder that Victor patented so many ideas just to be able to elbow-out the competition, whether it was a bad design, or a good one... Interestingly, I have never seen a balance spring used by any company that looked like Eldridge's last No.2 design. On the other hand, the bearing setup he proposed is remarkably similar to the later 6-bearing per side Columbia designs like you see in the No.9 and other later parts. But then, Columbia was one of those companies that not only had enough money to go to court against Victor, but could pay a lawyer to live in the courtroom if necessary...hmmm It's not difficult to improve on Victor's old designs, especially considering the immense progress in materials engineering, but I, for one, would rather strive for originality if only to be original. About a year ago, I developed small inserts for the Orthophonic that are made of a composite that can be installed in place of the bearings. They work better than the bearings, can't rust, and probably have a friction coefficient that is 100 times less than the steel bearings...but after I proved I could do it, I threw them all away...cuz that just ain't no fun Just a glance at modern loudspeaker engineering hints at all sorts of Mylar and titanium films that would probably be superior diaphragms for most all reproducers, but that ain't no fun either... BTW, When you were here xmas eve with Doug you mentioned a Victor patent that had to do with an electroplating or electroforming process which was ultimately to be used for the production (I think) of diaphragms. Do you by chance have the reference to that, or remember any keywords for it? Walt --Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of mark lynch Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 11:24 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Reproducer Bearings Thanks Walt, it is amazing how those fractions work...did you know that five out of four student at my High School had trouble with them? For all of us who have dealt with rebuilding Orthophonic soundboxes it looks like Victor had another idea rather than the 1/16 balls to support the stylus bar. http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT1796149id=XldNEBAJpg=PP1dq=vic tor+talking+machine+1931#PPP1,M1 Like many patented ideas it looks like this one was never put
[Phono-L] Victrola door knobs?
Richard, I don't have a knob but maybe this info will help you locate one. Your XII knob has an integral wood screw thread and is part number 3196GP. (GP = Gold Plated) There was a nickel plated version also 3196NG (NG = Nickel Gloss) It is described as: L. Knob 1/2 L. Screw 1/2 D. Knob 3/4 3196GP and 3196NG were superceded by the more common type having a separate machine screw. In addition to the XII, the parts listing describes 3196GP as being used as a door knob on the early XI (table top version with gold hardware and serial number below 5917) ; as a motor board knob on the XIV (again the gold plated model below 1308); and as a motor board knob on the XVI (between 17961 and 76182). It would be fun to verify the accuracy of the parts listing from among extant machines. If the listing is correct I would think finding an XVI motor board knob should not be terribly difficult. Good luck, Mark [Original Message] From: Richard Rubin richard_ru...@hotmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 12/27/2005 9:41:53 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Victrola door knobs? First off, thanks to Mark, Walt and Ron for your help on my question regarding a Victrola XII crank a few weeks ago. I triend to post a thank you on the board back then but I never received my own copy of the email so I don't know if it posted or not. As for that XII, I'm now looking for a second door knob for it. I have one of them so I know what the other one should look like, and I have a few that are close but not quite an exact match. This is the type of knob with just a screw in the back -- it screws into the door, that is, doesn't go all the way through it. The head is almost exactly the same diameter as a penny. And of course, it's gold-plated. It's actually the same knob as the pair on my tabletop Victrola XI, if that helps. I have some very detailed closeup pictures if anyone wants to see. And if anyone actually has one (or a matching pair) that they'd be willing to sell or trade, please let me know. Don't worry if the gold plating isn't in good shape -- it isn't on mine, either. Thanks! --RR ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] Moving Harp from Tx. to CA.
John, Here is another contact for careful moving, he has moved many large valuable items for Jasper SanFilipo. He is one of the few movers that can prepare a Mills Violano or reproducing piano for transport. Your harp sounds delicate and should have proper treatment. I have had bad results and damage from several other movers but do not like to speak ill of anyone. Give John a call, he lives in IA and makes it around the US frequently, his service is worth waiting for if necessary. John Wrasse 563-580-2472 (Cell) 815-398-4861 (Office) piano...@iowatelecom.net Best Regards, Mark -Original Message- From: Mgraziano1 mgrazia...@o-lite.com Sent: Aug 1, 2005 6:34 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Moving Harp from Tx. to CA. John, If it was in Austin, I'd pick it up and hold it for as long as you needed. But Houston's a 3 hr drive away. Have you tried calling Steinway Pianos and asking them who they use for interstate deliveries? -Mike -Original Message- From: john robles [mailto:john9...@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 5:14 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Moving Harp from Tx. to CA. Thanks so much, I will call him. John Bruce Mercer maxbu...@sigecom.net wrote: I am using a fellow by the name of Gene Sandberg to move a couple console phonographs and radio from CA. to Indiana. He goes all over the country doing just this. I have not used him before but he is highly recommended by some people whose judgement I trust completely. His phone numbers: home...1-847-922-7056 cell phone...1-818-896-8537 Easiest to reach him on the cel. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] Victrola 300 Door Knobs...
Doug, The door knobs on your VV-300 are part number 5604GP. They are 3/4 diameter at the large end, gold plated and have three concentric rings on the outer face. The 300 horn doors (HD) and end doors (ED) all use the same size knob. These knobs are also used on the horn doors of the XVII and 130 and both the HD and ED of the 230, 300 and 330. I do not have a set but perhaps this info will help others in locating them for you. In case you need this too the gold motor board knob (1461GP) is common to just about every Victrola with gold plating and should be easier to find. Mark Silver Spring, MD -Original Message- From: David Dazer dda...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Aug 21, 2005 8:20 PM To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victrola 300 Door Knobs... Doug, Are those gold by any chance? Dave Douglas E. Curran batwings78...@starpower.net wrote: Greetings: Looking for four (4) door knobs for a Victrola 300. Thanks very much! Cheers, ETC. Doug -- ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
[Phono-L] Anyone have an Amberola to spare?
Hi, I'm bringing a lovely Golden Oak Amberola 75 to the Wayne show this weekend unless my neighbor buys it. It is in nice clean untouched shape with the original finish. I will also be bringing about 700 clean Blue Amberols, some 2Min wax, and Edison Taft/Bryan Politicals. Contact me off-list if you want pictures or more information. markely...@earthlink.net Mark -Original Message- From: coturn...@aol.com Sent: Oct 21, 2004 9:11 AM To: \Antique Phonograph List\ phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Anyone have an Amberola to spare? Looking for an Edison Amberola. I have 4 minute cylinders, but have only two minute players! Please e-mail with condition and price. Thanks! ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l
[Phono-L] Decals
Here is the link to Greg's decal page: http://home.woh.rr.com/gwphonos/decalpamphlet.pdf Best, Mark Silver Spring, MD [Original Message] From: David Dazer dda...@sbcglobal.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 9/25/2006 8:28:15 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Decals I think Gregg Cline makes those. I don't have current email address for him. I have two similar ones in my address book, so maybe someone else can supply it. I think I just read that he is out west right now. His decals are wonderful. Dave Larsons larsont...@charter.net wrote: Sorry I did'nt clarify that I needed the decals for the base, not the horn. There was a gold Standard X and a red Standard X decal, I need both. Thanks Randy Larson 608-269-8 larsont...@charter.net ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Radiola 20 for Orthophonic VV-7-3
The Radiola 20 came in at least two configurations. John would need the panel type like this one for his 7-3: http://cgi.ebay.com/1925-Very-Nice-Radiola-20-Tube-Radio-w-Exposed-Tubes_W0Q QitemZ220041242871QQihZ012QQcategoryZ38034QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewI tem You're right--just keep watching and another will show up, just be careful to check the panel size as other models such as the Alhambra I also use the R-20. Mark [Original Message] From: tuban...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 11/12/2006 12:32:03 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Radiola 20 for Orthophonic VV-7-3 Well there's always eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/Radiola-Battery-Radio-Tube-Model-20-AR918_W0QQitemZ25004 84 36147QQihZ015QQcategoryZ38034QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 25 0048436147 They show up quite often. ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] Ebay Watched Item relisted spoof???
Speaking of the Jurassic Era, no brainers, scams and spoofs there used to be a lot of BS on this board about Craphophones--gratefully those discussions have ended. Has this apple/windows discussion taken its place? I for one am pleased to find that both companies have seen fit not to remove the delete key. Please respectfully take these non-phonograph topics out back and discuss them in private or find a different soap box. Mark [Original Message] From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 11/22/2006 9:54:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Watched Item relisted spoof??? I will have to wave the internet BS flag on that one. Sorry, I was there and have seen a good many quite malicious Apple /Mac viruses of the late 80s and early 90s. And, OS X is unix and unix is devilishly difficult to generate a self sustaining virus for. It is not impossible but it can not be done with some no brainer script that you email to someone. Remember the internet worms that crashed all of the high power servers a couple of years ago? That was a unix based memory test program from the way back years that was packaged to run as a bot on a unix box and propagate. It was written before networks and internet so no one ever considered what would happen if you loaded it onto a server The IBM OS, OS/2 also is almost totally immune to virus attack as it runs as a virtual machine. On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 21:24:46 -0500, Jim Nichol wrote: Huh? To quote an article on the Internet: Remember that throughout its entire lifespan, the total number of Mac viruses is below 100. And of course, non of those were for OSX. Jim On Nov 22, 2006, at 3:15 PM, Rich wrote: Well, Peter, if you remember back to the late 80s and early 90s the Mac was the king of the virus world and there were very few on the DOS / Windows side, it is all a matter of popularity more than anything else. Even Linux is not immune from a virus attack. The best defence for the windows users is to use any email program that is not Outlook Express or Outlook. The average victim is running windows XP without an up to date anti virus program and a decent fire wall and using Internet Explorer, and MS Outlook or MS Outlook Express. Rich On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:39:08 -0800, Peter Fraser wrote: or you can do like the rest of us, and use your Mac (without worry or fear) to read or look at whatever you'd like. we don't do viruses on this side. of course, never provide any info to anybody, no matter what platform you run. On Nov 22, 2006, at 11:01 AM, Rich wrote: I will repeat several tings that have been said before but bear repeating: 1) receive a message from eBay? then log onto eBay and go to My eBay and look in My Messages if it is there then deal with it there. If not then perform a TRUE DELETE of the message in your email IN BOX. Do not open or preview, just perform a true delete. 2) You will have to check your email program to find out how to do a true delete. Microsoft Outlook and Outlook Express do not dewlete the message when you hit the delete button so be careful. Rich On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 13:33:22 -0500, Dan K wrote: And I just got an ebay notice about somebody disputing an item not received. It's a neat trick, considering I have never listed anything on ebay. haha The links go through some kind of edu address in Mexico, then redirected gawdknowswhere. Cute. - Original Message - From: Robert Wright esrobe...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 4:43 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Watched Item relisted spoof??? Definitely a scam. I get 'em sometimes regarding items I'd never bother to watch in the first place. But don't click on any of the links to make sure, just delete 'em. ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive
[Phono-L] Need A Mover
Bruce, I've always had good luck with John Wrasse, he's moves a lot of high dollar machines for SanFillipo. Recently he moved a 10-69 from SF to DC for me. Delivery depends on his schedule but he makes several US circuits per year. Good Luck, Mark 563)580-5035 Piano Pro Moving and Storage John Wrasse , Proprietor 31449 216th Street Bellevue,IA 52031 [Original Message] From: Bruce Mercer maxbu...@sigecom.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 6/15/2006 9:45:41 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Need A Mover Hi Guys, I need a mover to move a radio/phonograph combination from New Jersey to Evansville, Indiana. Evansville is right on the southern tip of Indiana, bordering on the Ohio River and Kentucky on the other side of the river. I live about two blocks from the river. The last mover I had that moved something similar from California to here took forever, almost six months, and was not the most gentle person I've run across. Can anyone recommend someone reliable that I could use? The dimensions of the machine are roughly 49 X 44 X 20 deep. I'd appreciate any good references. Thanks, Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank
[Phono-L] FS: Victrola 130 / XVII
Dear List: It's time to find a new home for my Mahogany Victrola 130 / XVII. Original finish and hardware. I'd like to offer it to the list first before Ebay or a Show. Delivery to Wayne is OK at no charge or can work with a shipper. First $975 takes it. Contact me off list please: markely...@earthlink.net Thanks, Mark Silver Spring, MD
[Phono-L] Test
Have not received a message in the last few days--perhaps everyone is preparing for the upcoming Wayne show? Best Regards, Mark [Original Message] From: Dan Kj- ediso...@verizon.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/9/2005 11:55:58 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Test My message below was returned 'address unknown', several times last week. Let's test it now: Watching the special edition of Young Frankenstein, I see that a deleted scene had an old phono: They had the 'reading' of the will via a 78 played on a curiously lidless Victor Credenza ! There was some kind of odd molding on the edge to dress it up, but the lid was definitely gone. The wonderful Richard Haydn runs the machine, and obviously knew how to work a Victrola; the voice on the record was obviously John Carradine ! Some pics: http://users.adelphia.net/~edisone/Cred1.jpg http://users.adelphia.net/~edisone/Cred2.jpg http://users.adelphia.net/~edisone/Cred3.jpg ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
