[Phono-L] Ediphone or Dictaphone shaver needed
I'm looking to purchase either an Ediphone or a Columbia Dictaphone cylinder shaver. Must run when powered up and have good cutting blades. I can pay for shipping or I can pick it up within 100 miles of Allentown, Pennsylvania. -Ryan ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Edison floor crane wanted
I'm looking to buy a floor crane that will hold a 42" brass horn on an Edison or Columbia phonograph, in decent condition, preferably with original parts, and one that's reasonably priced. I live in the Lehigh Valley. Anyone have one for sale? -Ryan ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] 3 phonos at local auction
Hi all, Due to recent unfortunate circumstances, I have consigned three phonographs and several boxes of cylinders to a local silent auction. The phonographs are: -Edison Diamond Disc C-250 upright model, mahogany, about good condition but could use some cosmetic restoration -Aeolian-Vocalion upright phonograph, early 1920s, mahogany, no Graduola, very good condition -Sears, Roebuck Silvertone table top model with lid, c. 1921, mahogany, very good condition. I expect these machines to go cheaper than I'd like, but I need the money and space asap. If you live within a reasonable distance, any interest in these machines is appreciated. The auction is conducted by K. D. Smith Auctions at Merchant's Square Mall, Allentown, PA, www.merchantssquaremall.com -- about three hours west of New York City, an hour west of the New Jersey border, two hours north of Philadelphia, and an hour and a half east of Harrisburg. Open Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays for bidding and examining. The auction closes on Saturday, November 23rd at 12 noon, eight days from now. It's a silent auction, so you don't have to be present when they close. -Ryan ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] New Antique Phonograph Society Website Now Online!
Got my copy of the new Antique Phonograph today (Tuesday). Generally I like where the content is going. I actually liked the card stock that was used for ITG covers better. I've subscribed to ITG since 1999 and the condition of my issues range from excellent to nearly-mutilated because of the mail carriers. My Antique Phonograph issue came a little more wrinkly than usual. While I understand that using card stock covers would be more expensive, they have stood the abuse of the mail system quite well since ITG began using them in 2010. They may also hold up better over time if they are going to a public library. But that's just my opinion, I'm sure most on this list don't care. Otherwise, keep up the good work. I love the idea of having one definitive, authoritative go-to source that unites (not divides) both beginning and advanced phonograph collectors. -Ryan ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] [78-L] Edison Special Amberols discussion
Actually, Edison released new Blue Amberol recordings from 1912-1913 with flat rims, not just wax Amberol masters. The beveled Blue Amberols came out in October 1913 (to the best of my searching ability), and Edison continued reissuing wax Amberol masters with beveled rims into the late 1920s. -Ryan On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@verizon.net wrote: It's my understanding that a flat top Blue Amberol was pressed from a black Amberol master. They generally sound better bevel top ones. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Peter Fraser Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 4:33 PM To: ronald dethlefson; phono-l List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [78-L] Edison Special Amberols discussion Excellent! Any ideas on why some are flat and some beveled? I'll dive into the EPMs for clues as well. Did you touch on them in any of your books? Thanks. Great to hear from you. Also CCing to the list. Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Nov 8, 2013, at 1:29 PM, ronald dethlefson r2d...@pacbell.net wrote: Peter, Please see Wendell Moore's Edison Phonograph Monthly Vol Viii 1910. The 24 Special Edison Amberol Series D Promotion records are listed there with catalog numbers and content comments. Six of these records were to be given to a person who brought in a customer who bought a new Edison phonograph. This plan was introduced in July 1910. No more than 24 cylinders were released for this plan, so I assume that it was not a success. Neither were these special Blue Amberol selections issued in the regular catalog. So they are quite rare and seldom found today. Best regards, Ron On Nov 8, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Peter Fraser wrote: This is an interesting discussion going on, over on That Other List. Note especially the links to great scans of an Edison promo leaflet for the Special Amberols, directly below. They are cool and unique...indeed, special. I have assembled a set of the blue versions, and note that some are beveled and some are flat ended. This seems to indicate they stayed in production for a long time. Are there any facts available on that? Do they appear in any catalogs? (Including Ron Dethlefson, because I bet he knows!!) Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com Begin forwarded message: From: Darrell Lehman nickja...@gmail.com Date: November 8, 2013 at 1:05:44 AM PST To: 78-L Mail List 7...@klickitat.78online.com Subject: Re: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? Reply-To: 78-L Mail List 7...@klickitat.78online.com If anyone's interested... https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola01.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola02.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola03.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola04.jpg = Ron L'Herault wrote: I believe that you could also get some special records as a reward for recommending a friend to an Edison dealer. If the friend bought a machine, you got records as a reward. Ron L -Original Message- From: 78-l-boun...@klickitat.78online.com [mailto:78-l-boun...@klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Lehman Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 9:45 PM To: 78-L Mail List Subject: Re: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? The titles were the same - different labeling on the boxes and lids though - Amberol and Blue Amberol. Michael Biel wrote: When the wax Amberol cylinder came out in 1908 and again when the Blue Amberol came out in 1912, Edison gave the purchasers of new machines or converting kits a set of 10 or 12 cylinders that were available only that way. They were numbered Special A, Special B, etc. I don't think the two sets were the same recordings. My reference books are too low in the pile to check. Mike Biel mb...@mbiel.com Original Message Subject: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? From: Clifford Bolling 78reco...@cdbpdx.com Date: Thu, November 07, 2013 9:06 pm To: 78-l Online 7...@78online.com I'm recording some Blue Amberol cylinders I got from a 2nd hand store in La Grande, OR and one of them does not have a catalog number, instead it says 'SPECIAL B.' The title is FATHER'S ECCENTRICITIES by HILL What is a SPECIAL B.? http://pdx78s.cdbpdx.com/CYL/SpB/tn-400_Label_BLUE-AMBEROL_SPECIAL -B.JPG Thanks! Cliff ___ 78-L mailing list 7...@klickitat.78online.com http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l ___ 78-L mailing list 7...@klickitat.78online.com http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l
Re: [Phono-L] [78-L] Edison Special Amberols discussion
Here's the rest of the Hebrew specials, announced in the October 1911 Edison Phonograph Monthly: Special L Die Fier Dzeks, Marsch - New York Military Band Special M Szenen Wos Seinen Die Lebendigste - H. Benne Henton, saxophone Special N Unissued Special O Dem Nosir's Glok, Overture - American Symphony Orchestra Special P Hop Skotch, a Barn Tanz - Alexander Prince, concertina Special Q Unissued Special R Serenada fun Malochim - Jean Schwiller, cello Special S A Mensch Sol Men Sein - Simon Paskal Special T Schenke A Neduwe - Regina Prager Special U Dus Fertriebene Teibele - Frances Siminoff Special V A Yudische Chupe - Solomon Smulewitz Special W Oif Dem Schenem Bloiem Dunai - Johann Strauss Orchestra Specials X, Y, and Z Unissued -Ryan On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Scott and Denise Corbett sdcorb...@earthlink.net wrote: Don't forget the Special Blue box series continued on with the Hebrew series. I think 10 more picking up at L . I think we have letter O S in wax. I hear this was for a specialty market promotion. There must have not been many made. I have not heard of any others than these two, but there must be more out there. Anybody? -Scott Denise Corbett -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Darrell Lehman Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 2:35 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [78-L] Edison Special Amberols discussion Aren't the 24 Special Edison Amberol Series D Promotion records you speak of the orange boxed ones? There were only 10 of the blue boxed and they had Special A, etc numbers. === Peter Fraser wrote: Excellent! Any ideas on why some are flat and some beveled? I'll dive into the EPMs for clues as well. Did you touch on them in any of your books? Thanks. Great to hear from you. Also CCing to the list. Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Nov 8, 2013, at 1:29 PM, ronald dethlefson r2d...@pacbell.net wrote: Peter, Please see Wendell Moore's Edison Phonograph Monthly Vol Viii 1910. The 24 Special Edison Amberol Series D Promotion records are listed there with catalog numbers and content comments. Six of these records were to be given to a person who brought in a customer who bought a new Edison phonograph. This plan was introduced in July 1910. No more than 24 cylinders were released for this plan, so I assume that it was not a success. Neither were these special Blue Amberol selections issued in the regular catalog. So they are quite rare and seldom found today. Best regards, Ron On Nov 8, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Peter Fraser wrote: This is an interesting discussion going on, over on That Other List. Note especially the links to great scans of an Edison promo leaflet for the Special Amberols, directly below. They are cool and unique...indeed, special. I have assembled a set of the blue versions, and note that some are beveled and some are flat ended. This seems to indicate they stayed in production for a long time. Are there any facts available on that? Do they appear in any catalogs? (Including Ron Dethlefson, because I bet he knows!!) Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com Begin forwarded message: From: Darrell Lehman nickja...@gmail.com Date: November 8, 2013 at 1:05:44 AM PST To: 78-L Mail List 7...@klickitat.78online.com Subject: Re: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? Reply-To: 78-L Mail List 7...@klickitat.78online.com If anyone's interested... https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola01.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola02.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola03.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola04.jpg === == Ron L'Herault wrote: I believe that you could also get some special records as a reward for recommending a friend to an Edison dealer. If the friend bought a machine, you got records as a reward. Ron L -Original Message- From: 78-l-boun...@klickitat.78online.com [mailto:78-l-boun...@klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Lehman Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 9:45 PM To: 78-L Mail List Subject: Re: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? The titles were the same - different labeling on the boxes and lids though - Amberol and Blue Amberol. Michael Biel wrote: When the wax Amberol cylinder came out in 1908 and again when the Blue Amberol came out in 1912, Edison gave the purchasers of new machines or converting kits a set of 10 or 12 cylinders that were available only that way. They were numbered Special A, Special B, etc. I don't think the two sets were the same recordings. My
Re: [Phono-L] [78-L] Edison Special Amberols discussion
Darrell, yes, the New Phonogram announced in October 1910 Specials D 1 through D 24 in orange boxes. They were not sold separately and not listed in the general catalog or supplements. When an Edison owner got a friend to purchase a new Edison phonograph, the person who recommended the friend would receive six of the 24 Amberols for free. Owners were given an orange Edison Phonograph Owner's Certificate dated July 1, 1910, which today is extremely rare (a copy of the certificate was reprinted in In the Groove several years ago but I don't have the citation). This could be repeated until the owner had all 24, which meant you had to get four friends to buy phonographs if you wanted all 24 -- quite a challenge if you're not very sociable, or if most of your friends owned Victors! But people having few contacts wouldn't be the only reason why they sold so poorly. In January 1911, the New Phonogram announced a special list of 500 two-minute cylinders that were going to be discontinued the following year. Owners who got their friends to buy an Edison phonograph could either select NINE two-minute cylinders from the list, or six Amberols from the list of the 24 D series. This no doubt cut into the distribution of the D series, and none were reissued on Blue Amberols. -Ryan ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Columbia Record reprints, 1904-1917
Greetings! Well, after several months of hard work, I have finally completed the last installments of the Columbia Record. You can now purchase the whole set from 1904-1917. If you've never heard of the Columbia Record before, it was the house organ for Columbia dealers, just like the Edison Phonograph Monthly was to Edison, and the Voice of the Victor was to Victor. We already have full reprints of the Edison Phonograph Monthly available thanks to Wendell Moore, and now we can add the Columbia Record to the list. And with all the publications relating to Columbia that came out in recent years, these volumes easily compliment them. If you're only interested in Victor and Edison collectibles and history, these are also essential to get an idea of what their biggest competitor was doing. So now you can now purchase all fourteen volumes from 1904 to 1917. Prices are $129 US, $169 Canada, $189 International, all postpaid. I know these may seem a little high, but believe me, these are the lowest prices I could get them at (600+ sheets with each one spiral bound). If you can't afford a full set, and only want one or two volumes, almost all of them are only $14 each with free US shipping. If you are a library or an institute, I can also ship these in advance with an invoice enclosed. If you purchased nine volumes from me last month (only covering 1904 to 1912) you can have the remaining five volumes for $40 US postpaid. If you also bought some sets from me in January or before, I can also let you have the remaining volumes at a special price if you email me for details. Here is the link to full descriptions and page samples for each volume: http://www.phonostalgia.com/columbiarecord Ryan Barna ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Columbia Record magazine (1904-1907)
Greetings! I've just completed the first series of reprints of the Columbia Record, the rarest of the big three company trade journals (it was pretty much the Edison Phonograph Monthly and The Voice of the Victor for Columbia dealers). Originals of these are extremely rare, and I've reproduced these from the best surviving copies, combined from two major library collections (and they're not available online as of yet). You'll find a lot of extraordinary detail in these, from company history and new developments to monthly record releases, including lists of the bestselling discs and cylinders from 1905 to 1907. Page samples and article highlights are available at http://www.phonostalgia.com/columbiarecord/samples.html. I've made the price as low as I'm able to get it, which is $49 for all four issues postpaid (US Canada), you can buy them individually at an even lower price of $14 each for 1905-1907, or $16 for 1904 since it's larger. That's about as low as I can ge t them, and I haven't printed very many of these, so I predict they'll go fast. More details on ordering is available at http://www.phonostalgia.com/columbiarecord. The series will eventually run to 1917 but it will be a while before I can get that far. If you're still not sure if these are right for you, watch the Phonostalgia Facebook page, http://www.facebook.com/phonostalgia, as I will be posting more examples from them during the next week. It's an essential reference set for early sound collectors and researchers. Ryan Barna ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Another Murray tribute on WFMU
I'll be hosting my second annual Billy Murray tribute on the Antique Phonograph Music Program tomorrow (Tuesday, September 4th) at 8:00 PM EST. I would have hosted it three weeks ago (Murray died August 17, 1954) but MAC was off last month, so we've postponed it to tomorrow. Also, after going through the absolute torture of listing to my own voice from last year's broadcast, I will try to improve on my own delivery, and I insist this will be a another show containing at least one sound recording you've never heard, one or two more facts you don't know about, plus the progress on my research. You probably won't want to miss it. To listen live, go to www.wfmu.org and click on any of the Live Audio Streams. If you can't tune in, the show will be archived by Wednesday at http://wfmu.org/playlists/AP. Ryan Barnawww.denvernightingale.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Aeolian-Vocalion discography
Hello everyone, For the last few months I've been working on my first major compilation for distribution, Aeolian-Vocalion Hill and Dale Records (1918-1920). It will document all 387 of Aeolian's known vertical-cut releases between 1918 and 1920 (recordings made ca. July 1917 to November 1919), plus several extra features that will detail the history and significance of these records, and the company. I have been fortunate enough to locate a near-complete run of Aeolian bulletins, detailing every release, plus acquiring the data of other excellent researchers who examined (even X-rayed!) most of the original discs for matrix numbers. But I still need your help. There's a lot of missing matrix numbers that are either not on the discs, or in some cases, no discs were examined at all (and the list is still rather lengthy). For those who are interested, I posted a list of all the discs that either don't have matrix numbers, or still need primary inspection: http://www.phonostal gia.com/aeolian. Please have a look and see if you own any of the discs on the list, and feel free to pass this along to anyone you know who could probably help. Although I don't expect to find every one of them, I'd like to get this list as small as possible. Once November comes around, I'll re-evaluate the situation and see what steps I should take next. Once published, it will probably be the most complete and accurate compilation of these discs since the last catalog of them was published January 1, 1920 (and even that old catalog is not complete or accurate). -Ryan ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Indestructible #945
Hi, If there's anyone who has a copy of Indestructible cylinder #945 In Dear Old Yankee Land at hand, and can spare a minute to check for a certain marking towards the rim (it's really easy), I'd gladly appreciate it. I'm not necessarily looking to buy, I just need something checked. I don't mind hearing from more than one owner either. You may respond offlist to ryansrecor...@hotmail.com, and I'll tell you where to look for it. Thanks, -Ryan ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Billy Murray tribute on WFMU
I will be sitting in with MAC on WFMU's Antique Phonograph Hour tomorrow (Tuesday), August 16th, at 8PM EST. We'll be honoring the anniversary of Murray's passing (8/17/54) by spinning some discs and sharing some of my facts, findings, etc. I can guarantee that you will learn something new. You won't want to miss it, whether you're a fan of Murray or not. I won't be online tomorrow to remind everyone, so to listen, go to www.wfmu.org, and the top of the page next to Live Audio Streams, select the type that's best for you. I've found that 20k Real (via RealPlayer) works for me. If you can't listen live, the program should be archived at http://wfmu.org/playlists/AP by Thursday (save the URL). -Ryan Barna http://www.facebook.com/Phonostalgia ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Whistler Sybil Sanderson Fagan
I visited Sybil's grave when I attended Union in 2008. Here's a picture of it for those who are interested: http://www.phonostalgia.com/sybil1.JPG I never got around to writing about her (or my visit) since I've been distracted with so many other priorities. The date I have for the picture is Friday, June 13, 2008. Somewhere I have an email from her niece describing a little more about her in later years. I'll try to quote from it if I can find it. I remember vividly from the email that she and her husband Joseph collected a lot of antiques that were later auctioned off, and that she taught Anita O'Day stage presence. Again, I'll try to find it in my mess of correspondences. The latest recording I have of her is from 1930, from an American Record Corporation master: The Wedding of the Birds by Lou Gold and His Orchestra, vocal refrain by Irving Kaufman, whistling by Sybil S. Fagan. Anything later? -Ryan Barna www.facebook.com/Phonostalgia ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Sybil's niece
I've seen several small notices of Sybil in the Chicago Tribune after the 1930s, I'll try and locate some of them. Anyway, I found the email from her niece, Marty Heatherman. This is the only email I received from her. I responded twice but never heard back from her. I'll quote some parts of it: Saturday, October 6, 2007 Hi Ryan--Your letter was very nice about my aunt Sybil--My dad was 16 years younger than Sybil but they were very close. I did get to know her somewhat...Her first marriage was annulled after about a month - she was living in New York City-her second marriage was to Willard Osborn, I'm not sure where he was from originally but I think he conducted an orchestra at one of the theatres in Springfield, OH. By the way when her first marriage was dissolved , [sic] there was a big scandal and it was written up in the Springfield newspapers--Dad had the clipping but I haven't seen it in years. Her 3rd husband was the one I knew-his name was Joseph Chapek and they lived in Barrington[,] Illinois. He was very musical--violinist and violin collector, as well as many antiques...Many of his valuables were sold in a special auction at Sotheby's in New York. Uncle Joe gave private violin lessons and aunt Sybil gave private piano lessons--they had 2 grand pianos in their living room. Sshe [s ic] loved French and took private lessons and she and my dad would speak French together. They both loved gardening and Aunt Sybil would bring my Dad plants when she came for her annual visits in the 1950s [sic] and 1960s [sic]... ...She had a lot of friends in Barrington--she was a lady who lunched, played golf, loved her dogs...She was instrumental in helping Anita O'Day (she is a jazz singer) learn stage presence. I didn't want you to think I forgot your letter, but I did misplace it for a few days...she was really nice to me...When I was little and I knew she was coming for a visit. I [sic] would wait outside for her to arrive at our house. We visited with them in Barrington many times in the 1950's and 1960's... I don't have a lot of stuff about her--just a lot of memories and a few pictures. Let me know if I can be of help, and thank you for your intereest [sic] in my family!!! Marty Heatherman ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Berliner discography
Paul Charosh is compiling a new Berliner discography, and he would appreciate any first-hand inspections of original Berliner discs, even if it may be copies he's already looked at. I've agreed to help spread the word for him, so if you have any Berliner discs in your holdings, you may email him at sandbar...@aol.com or reply to me, and I'll pass them along, whatever is easier for you. It goes to press in a few weeks, so now is a great chance to get involved in something. -Ryan Barna facebook.com/phonostalgia ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Lyric phonograph
Can anyone help this gentleman? I can't find anything in my sources about Lyric machines. Please respond to him directly. From: aelitel...@aol.com Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:43:17 -0400 Subject: Wondering if you new any information about my Lyric table top phonegraph To: ryansrecor...@hotmail.com Hi, Ryan I have a Table top crank phonograph, it says LYRIC AND LYRAPHONE CO. NEW YORK. It is round and made of metal but looks like wood. Approximately 15 inches across at it widest spot. I cant seem to find any info on this phonograph on the net? Thanks Jim Schaffer Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. _ Windows Live? Contacts: Organize your contact list. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009 From jay.horenst...@gmail.com Mon Mar 16 10:40:08 2009 From: jay.horenst...@gmail.com (Jay Horenstein) Date: Mon Mar 16 10:40:31 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor III HEEELP! In-Reply-To: 1388204791-1237221918-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2044381...@bxe1220.bisx.prod.on.blackberry References: 1388204791-1237221918-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2044381...@bxe1220.bisx.prod.on.blackberry Message-ID: 49be8f08.1def600a.7466.3...@mx.google.com Vic III or the large brass horn? Or both? -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john9...@pacbell.net Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:45 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor III HEEELP! I wanted one of those but could not locate one. --Original Message-- From: kugl...@wmconnect.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: phono-l@oldcrank.org ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor III HEEELP! Sent: Mar 16, 2009 8:51 AM I agree. However, I do think that a Victor III with a large brass bell horn looks awesome! Take care all. Brantley ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2004 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:04 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2004 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:04 AM
[Phono-L] Ada Jones
I'm no Ada Jones expert -- I'm just citing some info Milford Fargo put together many years ago.Jones was born June 1, 1873 at her parents' home at 78 [!] Manchester Street in Oldham, Lancashire, England, but her birth wasn't registered until August 18th. She was baptized as Ada Jane Jones on June 15, 1873 in Oldham's St. Patrick's Church. Her parents were James Jones and Ann Jane Walsh. I haven't inspected any of these documents.Ada married the dancer Hugh Flaherty on August 9, 1904. This is according to the New York City Marriage Index, which I have access to, so Ada's real married name was Flaherty, not Flarhaty as the death certificate shows. Their daughter, Sheelah Flaherty, lived from 1906 to 1936. Whether or not she married with children, I don't know. Fargo mentioned in a July 18, 1981 letter to Ron Dethlefson that he had copies of both Sheelah's birth and death certificates.You might be interested in knowing that Sheelah took part in a few records with her mother. She's documented in The Golden Wedding (Edison Disc 50513), and A Day in Toyland (Peerless Orch. with Jones, Porter, Meeker, and Sheelah, Edison Disc 50673, Blue Amberol 3875). I also have the latter title on Emerson 1096 crediting Orchestra with Toy Instruments. Although the Emerson files had disappeared years ago, I'm pretty certain I hear Sheelah in it. Ada Jones and Steve Porter are definitely audible.Now, as far as Fargo's research and collection goes, his cylinders and discs where sold separately when he passed away in 1986 (the Eastman School of Music, where he was the Professor of Music Education, didn't want them--at least that's what his widow Lois told me). His research papers on Jones went with the discs, and I know the person who has them, who happens to be a good friend of mine. I asked if he wanted to photocopy them so I could give them a home on my website, but that depends on when he can find them. Plus, he has limited Internet access, so he can't really scan them for me either. But Fargo's paper collection likely contains these birth certificates, primary documents regarding Ada, and probably other stuff I'm not aware of.As far as corrections to the death certificate go, I prefer to preserve historic (and legal) documents as they were, as not to disturb history. I do agree on correcting errors, and I will apply these corrections on my site momentarily. Legally, I can't do anything to change the certificate at the health department, but I know that Ada had some half-siblings, who probably have descendents living today. Although I usually prefer to preserve original documents as they were.I believe W. J. Armstrong, the informant on her death certificate, is Armstrong, the Man of Mystery, who was travelling with Jones' show at the time. The clerk's office probably needed someone nearby to supply her personal information, so they chose Armstrong to tell what ever he knew about her. For her age, he could've just said, Maybe her 40s? Nobody can really expect anyone to know who their associates' parents were either, especially if they were deceased. It's possible that they couldn't get her husband Hugh Flaherty to supply the info at the time.Hugh was an overly private individual -- he wouldn't want anyone knowing his family's background info anyway, or having record collectors ask him about Jones, etc. Back in the 40s, Jim Walsh wrote that Hugh was already dead, when he actually lived until 1961, because he wanted to protect his privacy. At first he denied that he was Jones' widower when Milford Fargo was trying to track him down, until Fargo finally got him to agree to a taped interview. I have not listened to the tape, but I know someone who has a copy, so it definitely exists.Sorry I had to generalize most of this, I'm not that big on Jones (most of what I'm writing is second hand info). I wish I had Milford's documents (or better, Milford himself) to answer these questions for me, but if I can get my friend to submit some of his papers, most of this picture can be straightened out.Ryan Barnawww.phonostalgia.com _ Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164ocid=T003MSN51N1653A From allena...@aol.com Sat Apr 12 15:37:34 2008 From: allena...@aol.com (allena...@aol.com) Date: Sat Apr 12 15:37:47 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Ada Jones/maybe Message-ID: bce.234f27db.35329...@aol.com In a message dated 4/12/2008 5:34:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ryansrecor...@hotmail.com writes: I'm no Ada Jones expert -- I'm just citing some info Milford Fargo put together many years ago.Jones was born June 1, 1873 at her parents' home at 78 [!] Manchester Street in Oldham, Lancashire, England, but her birth wasn't registered until August 18th. She was baptized as Ada Jane Jones on June 15, 1873 in Oldham's St. Patrick's Church.
[Phono-L] Youngsters in the Hobby
There are quite a number of younger collectors out there. They're just not all in one place. A few years ago, I used to communicate with a young man out in Atlanta, GA. who was into phonographs. He was still in high school, but I lost touch with him (Perhaps college took him over?). Also a few years ago an 11-year-old from Australia joined phonolist but I don't remember him or his name. Last August/September I was on the phone with a 17-year-old from Los Angeles who said he had over 5,000 acoustic era recordings on mp3's. I'm not sure if he collects the original records, but he beats me as far as Dan W. Quinn recordings go! And yes, Loran's daughter is also into records (mostly children's, but she's also into popular acoustic era recordings). I was into phonographs since age 14. The record collecting goes earlier than that (I knew who Billy Murray was when I was 8). I also had a large history of being made fun of, so I never really shared much or told many people about my hobby. I still don't. I never told classmates who my poineer recording heroes were, nor have I told many collectors through phone or correspondence what my age was for fear of rejection. Even as far back as the 1940s (probably earlier) people questioned if there would be any future interest in phonographs records. And here you guys are keeping the hobby going! I'm 100% positive that this will keep going on 100+ years from now. -Ryan _ Find and compare great deals on Broadband access at the MSN High-Speed Marketplace. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/
[Phono-L] OT-new scam (not ebay!)
Folks, I just got this fishy email this morning. I got very suspicious when it asked for my bank info, and after doing a web search on it it was definitely a scam. And this isn't ebay either! These scammers are really trying to go the extra mile, so if you see anything like this pop up in your inbox, just hit the delete key: MEGA LOTTERY INTERNATIONAL INTERNATIONAL PROMOTION/PRIZE AWARD DEPT. REF Number : MLI/231-ILGI0431/03 BATCH Number : EAPA/15/096/PTNL TICKET Number : 20511465897-6291 SERIAL Number : 472-971103 LUCKY Number : 8-66-97-22-71-64 RE: WINNING FINAL NOTIFICATION Dear Winner, We are pleased to inform you of the result of the Lottery Winners International programs held on the 6th of April 2004. Your E-mail address attached to Ticket number 20511465897-6291 with Serial number 472-971103 drew lucky numbers 8-66-97-22-71-64 which consequently won in the 2nd category, you have therefore been approved for a lump sum payout of US$ 1,500,000.00 (One Million ,Five hundred Thousand United States Dollars).This is from a total cash prize of USD$15,000,000.00 Million share among Ten International Lucky Winners in the Category A ( Plus )+ . CONGRATULATIONS!!! Be inform that your documents have to pass our Authority to obtain a clearance which shall be attached to your Document in readiness of the subsequently onward transfer into your nominated bank account with 24 hours of completion of the authentication. Due to mix up of some numbers and names, we ask that you keep your winning information very confidential till your claims has been processed as the Beneficiary Certificate Ownership Winning Notification, Stamp duties and re-activation of Account of your prize /money remitted in readiness of the subsequently onward transfer into your nominated Bank Account. This is in conformity with the latest transfer regulation signed by the Organisation / Netherlands Government since this is part of our Security protocol measures to avoid double claiming and unwarranted abuse of this program by some participants. All participants were selected through a computer ballot system drawn from over 100,000,000 Companies and 200,000,000 individual email addresses and names from all over the world,through the aid of our insurance Company This promotional program takes place annually. We hope you will take part in our next year USD$45 Million International lottery. To file for your claim, please contact our /your fiducial agent Mr. RAYMOND LEWIS of the EURO ACCREDITED PAYMENT AGENT TEL: +31-630-985-937 FAX: +31-641-593-184 Email: raymonle...@mail2raymond.com NOTE: That all winning must be claimed not later than 5th of June 2004. After this date all unclaimed, funds will be included in the next stake.Anybody under the age of 18 is automatically disqualified. Finally, we ensure that you note every letters as clearly stated as we would not be held responsible should there be hitch in this transaction due laxity on your part.So you are to expedite action, Failure to do this we shall be compelled to lose your fund in other words,we shall divert your fund to somewhere else.In order to avoid unnecessary delays and complications;Kindly remember to quote your reference number and batch numbers in all correspondence. Furthermore, should there be any change of address do inform our agent as soon as possible. Congratulations once more from our members of staff and thank you for being part of our promotional program. Yours Truly, Mrs. Estella Rogers Lottery Coordinator _ Persistent heartburn? Check out Digestive Health Wellness for information and advice. http://gerd.msn.com/default.asp
[Phono-L] SOLD--Santa Hides in Phonograph
I've had quite a few people hop on this one. If I ever find another one I'll definitely let you guys know about it. -Ryan From: Ryan Barna ryansrecor...@hotmail.com Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phon...@oldcrank.com To: phon...@oldcrank.com Subject: [Phono-L] FS--Santa Hides in Phonograph Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:31:51 -0600 I have an extra copy of a picture and verse card of Santa Claus Hides in the Phonograph, originally part of the Little Tots Nursery Tunes set of The Christmas Book (#5). The card has a nice illustration by Maud Trube of Santa with his bag of toys coming out of a Victrola with children gathered around it. On the back are the words to the poem. There's a small 0.6 inch tear on the top towards the right hand corner with only a few traces of wear that doesn't distract very much. Overall, a very good condition card and a great piece to display with your collection (or maybe an interesting Christmas present). If this were a record I'd grade it a V++ (conservatively). You can see a picture of it right here: http://www.pixhost.com/pixr/revlon1/santa.jpg Note: I placed the paperclip there for security reasons and I'm not using it to hide any defects. My description is absolutely guaranteed or else a full refund. I don't feel like ebaying it, so I thought I'd offer it to the list. I'd like $8 for it plus $2 for First Class SH in the U.S. First one to contact me off list gets it. -Ryan ryansrecor...@hotmail.com _ Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar FREE! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://t2.cwihosting.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com _ Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar FREE! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/
[Phono-L] US $19,990.00 (Reserve met)
Kurt just posted to 78-L that ebay canceled it because they included a direct link to their website, and also stated that he would consider a trade if the record didn't meet the reserve (which it actually did). It was against their policies. He says he'll review the rules, and relist it sometime today. -Ryan _ Compare high-speed Internet plans, starting at $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.)
[Phono-L] Edison DD Value Question
Bruce, Edison DD 52448 (Doin' the Raccoon) was one of the late electrical recordings issued by Edison before his company went out of business. And by the time Murray made this record he was pretty much at the end of his rope in popularity. These discs did not sell very well and are difficult to find in E or E+ condition. Doin' the Raccoon is a particularly desirable title, being a topical song of that era about college students wearing raccoon furs and coats. (If I'm not mistaken, Murray not only sings, but has a brief speaking part.) I seem to notice that quite a few of Murray's electric Edisons are pretty descriptive--they're almost like a vaudeville routine in your phonograph. Brian Rust does not list any of the Dorseys in this session (recorded November 8, 1928), but pretty much the content, the condition, and being a late electrical is what drove it up. Rich phonograph nuts drive it up too. -Ryan
[Phono-L] Edison DD Value Question
Bruce, Edison DD 52448 (Doin' the Raccoon) was one of the late electrical recordings issued by Edison before his company went out of business. And by the time Murray made this record he was pretty much at the end of his rope in popularity. These discs did not sell very well and are difficult to find in E or E+ condition. Doin' the Raccoon is a particularly desirable title, being a topical song of that era about college students wearing raccoon furs and coats. (If I'm not mistaken, Murray not only sings, but has a brief speaking part.) I seem to notice that quite a few of Murray's electric Edisons are pretty descriptive--they're almost like a vaudeville routine in your phonograph. Brian Rust does not list any of the Dorseys in this session (recorded November 8, 1928), but pretty much the content, the condition, and being a late electrical is what drove it up. Rich phonograph nuts drive it up too. -Ryan
[Phono-L] Edison DD Question
There's a better one coming out next year (2006) by Raymond Wile, to be published by Mainspring Press. The link for it is http://mainspringpress.com/news.html -Ryan From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison DD Question Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:11:40 -0600 Wasn't the definitive two-volume Diamond Disc compendium written by Ray Wile and Ron Dethlefson in 1976 or something? Tim Gracyk connected me with Ron years ago when I found a 1923 Summer Sales Contest jobbers DD with Dalhart singing a song written by one of the contest winners. Best, Robert
[Phono-L] A Big Royal Purple Thank you
To supplement my last message, going through past newspapers in ProQuest, it appears that Hardy Williamson was with the Century Opera Company in London. One paper indicated that he sang for King George and Queen Mary--he traveled to New York around 1915 to give concerts and make records. I guess I got him confused since he apparently made records in both London and in New York. -Ryan Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:38:04 -0400 From: ediso...@verizon.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] A Big Royal Purple Thank you Recorded July, 1913 - in London, issued on British Blue Amberol 23145 . Like other 'Foreign' Edisons, it was readily available from West Orange, and I think this one was even listed in a Christmastime supplement. - Original Message - From: Ryan Barna ryansrecor...@hotmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 1:27 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] A Big Royal Purple Thank youThis is Hardy Williamson (tenor). Your particular cylinder is not listed in Allan Sutton's Edison Blue Amberol Records: A Discography (1912-1929) (Mainspring, 2005). I'm guessing that your cylinder was directly recorded years earlier, perhaps originally issued on a four-minute wax Amberol, as you indicated that it sounded so good (not dubbed?). I'm not certain because I don't have a complete listing of Edison four-minute wax Amberols to check, but Williamson's version was definitely not released on Blue Amberol in the U.S.; Vernon Dalhart sang it on BA , dubbed from disc. It is also possible that he recorded it directly on Blue Amberol, but not released in the U.S.-Ryan ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank _ Try Live.com: where your online world comes together - with news, sports, weather, and much more. http://www.live.com/getstarted From tuban...@aol.com Tue Jul 25 07:09:38 2006 From: tuban...@aol.com (tuban...@aol.com) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:11:45 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Another Ripoff Message-ID: 42a.623f55b.31f78...@aol.com How about a VV-IV with crap-o-phone horn. ALL ORIGINAL http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=230010311581fromMakeTrack= true
[Phono-L] Victor Monarch Record - Good Morning Carrie performedby Williams and Walker - Victor No. 997
It is Arthur Collins.-Ryan Anyone know who the singer is on the 1910's Columbia/Standard/Aretino/etc. issue of That's A-Plenty? It's a familiar voice. Great lyrics on this narrative. Of a doctor's advice to get rid of fever by soaking in ice water, the singer responds something like, Now Doc, I is no Eskimo / I does not care for ice and snow / I'll take one bath in July, though / Just one... That's A-Plenty! _ Try Live.com: where your online world comes together - with news, sports, weather, and much more. http://www.live.com/getstarted From esrobe...@hotmail.com Sun Aug 20 14:22:54 2006 From: esrobe...@hotmail.com (Robert Wright) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:11:50 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Monarch Record - Good MorningCarrie References: bay108-w6189fab39f731861ee01cf7...@phx.gbl Message-ID: bay123-dav76201f1253ec0320ccdf2aa...@phx.gbl Thanks, Ryan! My issue is a Standard, so no artist info on the label. Such a fun record... I think it's worth two smiles.
