Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: [ARSCLIST] David Giovannoni Collection of Home Cylinder Recordings at UCSB
Also helped compile and produce Actionable Offenses from archeophone records can't forget that one ! In 2007. - Original Message - From: srsel...@aol.com To: Phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, April 7, 2014 9:57:43 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Fwd: [ARSCLIST] David Giovannoni Collection of Home Cylinder Recordings at UCSB Wow! Talk about generosity! Look at this collection now available ON LINE for FREE. David Giovanonni is also part of the First Sounds Project that discovered and made available the Scott Phonautographs. Steve From: seub...@library.ucsb.edu Reply-to: seub...@library.ucsb.edu To: arscl...@listserv.loc.gov Sent: 4/7/2014 6:25:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: [ARSCLIST] David Giovannoni Collection of Home Cylinder Recordings at UCSB The UCSB Library has acquired David Giovannoni's collection of over 500 home wax recordings, assembled over the past 40 years. Home wax, personal recordings, home recordings, or whatever you want to call them were made by everyday people, not record companies or professional field recordists, and capture the early spirit of the public's interaction with recording technology. The bulk of the recordings are from 1893 through the 1920s. The recordings have been digitized and identified by Giovannoni and Patrick Feaster and are now available online via the Cylinder Preservation and Digitization Project website. Click on the link below for an introductory essay by Feaster that provides an overview of the collection and a link to the recordings. http://cylinders.library.ucsb.edu/homewax.php David David Seubert Head, Special Collections (Acting) UC Santa Barbara Library University of California ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora?
The wood tone arms occasionally show up for sale on ebay. But the hardest part of that to find is a the wooden base. I spotted one on line a few years ago, and inquired of the seller if he happened to have the base as well. He did. So I converted the metal tone are Elite to one with a wooden Town arm, with the two reproducers (for vertical and lateral records). Bruce - Original Message - From: Stan Stanford s...@clarphon.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:04:26 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora? The Elite is the 5th model down with the Supreme being No. 1. As Bob said, wooden tone arms could be on several of the top models including yours, but all except the Supreme, could have metal tone arms. I have a Supreme and it came with 2 wooden tone arms with different reproducers: one for lateral and the other for vertical cut records. Yes, the complete tone arm on my Supreme is easily removable. Stan -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Richard Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:40 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora? Thanks, Stan. I have a mahogany Sonora Elite, with a wooden tone arm. Would that model have been a level (or two) below this one, then? From: s...@clarphon.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 17:48:24 -0700 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora? I think this is the Grand..at least the grill looks like the grill on the Grand from a Catalogue that I have. So it's the third one down after the Supreme and Invincible. Stan Stanford -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Richard Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 3:29 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora? Can anyone tell me which model of Sonora phonograph this is? It looks to be one of their higher-end bombe machines, but I've always had trouble identifying particular Sonora models. If it is a higher-end machine, should I be surprised that it doesn't have a wooden tone arm? (Do those wooden tone arms really sound better, for that matter?) And am I the only one who's never seen a Sonora in oak before? It seems to me every one I've ever seen has been mahogany. Thoughts?Oh, and if anyone has one of these and would like to share photos of it, I'd appreciate it; I'm especially curious about what it's supposed to look like with the doors open. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: mystery sonora.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 31338 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20140319/b6195a43/a ttachm ent.jpg ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora?
Just for the heck of it, pull out the bottom draw flip it over and look on the bottom. sometimes you will see the Model of the Machine stamped on the bottom, Mine is stamped Elite. Good Luck. Bruce - Original Message - From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:37:03 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Can anyone identify this Sonora? I have that same machine in oak. I don't have my catalog handy, but I think it's an Elite, the fourth one down from the Invincible(the highest). My fittings are nickel plated. I can't tell by yours if the hardware is nickel or gold. Sonora Bombe style machines are scarce in Oak. There is a picture of one on the cover of Discovering Antique Phonographs by Tim Fabrizio and George Paul. Harvey Kravitz On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:16 PM, Richard richard_ru...@hotmail.com wrote: Can anyone tell me which model of Sonora phonograph this is? It looks to be one of their higher-end bombe machines, but I've always had trouble identifying particular Sonora models. If it is a higher-end machine, should I be surprised that it doesn't have a wooden tone arm? (Do those wooden tone arms really sound better, for that matter?) And am I the only one who's never seen a Sonora in oak before? It seems to me every one I've ever seen has been mahogany. Thoughts?Oh, and if anyone has one of these and would like to share photos of it, I'd appreciate it; I'm especially curious about what it's supposed to look like with the doors open. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: mystery sonora.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 31338 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20140319/b6195a43/attachment.jpg ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Vitaphone acoustic machine
Thank you for sharing that link clearly showing how the vertical and lateral connections are achieved. Bruce - Original Message - From: Greg Bogantz gbogan...@charter.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 9:51:06 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vitaphone acoustic machine This topic of the Vitaphone had come up last year on the TMF forum. I posted some pictures there then that showed the way the thread connected the wooden needle bar to the reproducer diaphragm. I've added a few more pictures there that show more of the model 60 machine. Here's the link to that page for those who want to see the pictures: http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=7t=11354 Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vitaphone acoustic machine Thanks for the detailed reply, Greg. I have seen pictures of this style already. Amazing. Ron -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Greg Bogantz Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 3:59 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vitaphone acoustic machine Hi Ron, I have a Vitaphone model 60 which is the consolette version of this machine. Yes, I'd say it is anemic compared with most other machines of this vintage. The reason is pretty obvious - the design of the acoustic system is pretty silly. What appears to be the tonearm is more easily understood as being actually a HUGE stylus bar. The long wooden piece has the needle attached at the front end and it is expected to transmit the needle vibrations along the length of this wooden bar to a string at the back end which is coupled under tension to the center of the reproducer diaphragm which is located at the back of the tonearm. The actual tonearm is a metal structure positioned under the wooden bar that has a vertical and lateral pivot near the front that supports the wooden needle bar and allows both vertical and lateral wiggling of the wooden bar. As you can suspect, the compliance of this arrangement is ridiculously poor with a HUGE amount of mass (the whole wooden bar) having to be moved by the needle. The string that couples the back of the wooden bar to the diaphragm can be strung over a metal hook at the back of the lateral tonearm pivot stanchion which causes the tension in the string to be directed kinda sorta laterally to the diaphragm. This is the way the system is supposed to be set to play lateral records. The more direct linkage of the string drawing down vertically from the diaphragm (not threaded over the metal hook) is the setup for playing vertical records. As you might expect, the vertical setup is more efficient and sensitive than the lateral setup. Consequently, I most often use my Vitaphone to play Pathe Sapphire discs with a sapphire ball stylus in the needle chuck. It sounds better playing Pathes than any lateral records. Theoretically, you could play Edison DDs by mounting an Edison diamond point in the needle chuck. But the tonearm friction is high enough that I haven't wanted to try playing DDs on the machine. In any case, the sound transmission thru the bizarre needle bar system is pretty inefficient and lossy which makes the Vitaphone have little volume compared with more conventional players, either Edisons, Pathes, or Victors. And the high moving mass of the wooden bar causes considerable loss of treble response, so the sound is pretty mellow compared with other machines. It's actually fairly pleasant and less honky than other acoustic players. The other weirdness of the model 60 is the complicated plumbing that connects the diaphragm output to the horn which is inside the LID of the player! So there are swivel joints that allow the horn to be tilted upward with the lid as it is raised, while still enabling the acoustic plumbing to remain intact and functional. So it will play through the horn with the lid either open or closed. Definitely different. Still, it's a neat looking piece that is seldom seen and it does work after a fashion. I have pictures of my model 60 if you would like to see them. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@verizon.net To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 1:44 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Vitaphone acoustic machine A few MOCAPS members have been discussing the lateral/vertical Vitaphone phono from the teens, early 20s. Only one member heard one 20 or more years ago and that one may have been unrestored. He found it anemic sounding. S, I was wondering if any listmate(s) have a restored
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers (Diamond B Serial Number M Reproducer Serial Number)
Thanks for the Information Steve. The Serial Number on the Diamond B is 21708. Also since you are the official guru of Serial Number details, the serial number on the M Reproducer on my Amberola 1A is 3810. Curiously the number 38 is much smaller than the 10, like they may have been put on at two different time periods. This M is the earlier style with the round weight. Bruce - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:27:51 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Hello Bruce, I estimate that less than 2,000 of the N-56 reproducers were made. They were optional for the V and VI's made before the fire when the regular N was found not to work. They were obsolete reproducers made to play wax Amberols. Edison still made and sold wax records until the fire although no new 2 minute titles were made after Sept 1912. He was puzzled at what to do about this until the fire did it for him. Wax records were easy to make and very profitable. The two hardest to find N reproducers are the trowel weight and the N-56. The N-56 was made from June 1913 to the fire of 1914. The trowel weight N came out around the time the trowel weight O did and does not have the lift pillar for the Amberola 5 and 6 lift lever as those machines were not yet made. When the R and S reproducers were no longer made Edison used the tops stamped with R and S serial numbers to make N-56 reproducers, thus the N-56 is found with RS and ON serial numbers. Thanks, Steve Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 15:00:14 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Hi Steve, No, I don't have and N-56 for it to play the earlier wax amberolas. Those must be very uncommon. I will get you the serial number for the Diamond B though. Thanks for the reply, Bruce - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:52:53 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Hello Bruce, What is the serial number of the reproducer on your machine and do you have a N-56 for it? I am trying to get an idea of serial numbers of the Diamond B reproducers from 1914. Steve Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 19:47:54 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Do you have the same information on the Amberola V ? Mine is serial number 845 . - Original Message - From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 2:04:08 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Thanks Al for these serial numbers. It's great to be able to put my Amberola 50 in context of the total production, not only of its own model, but of the series as a whole. Andrew Baron On Aug 25, 2013, at 12:14 AM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: The highest Amberola 30 I recorded is just below 344000. The highest Amberola 50 I have recorded is just over 43000. The highest Amberola 75 in my data mine is just over 21000. So, Steve Medved's reproducer number is in the ballpark for production figures... Regards to all, Al -Original Message- From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Aug 24, 2013 7:49 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Hi Steve ~ Do you have a sense of whether my nickel Diamond C reproducer 48233 would be original to my Amberola 50 Serial #5662? Also, any idea when the Diamond C went from nickel to black paint (year and serial number, more or less)? At a glance it seems the serial number of my Diamond C is way too high for my machine unless one factors in the greater number of Amberola 30's being produced. Still seems like a high reproducer number for the 4-digit machine serial number, but I'd like to get your opinion. This Amberola 50 is otherwise one of the best-preserved I've seen, decent and original outside, mint under the lid, very quiet and smooth low mile motor, etc. Andrew Baron On Aug 24, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Steven Medved wrote: It is a fairly low serial number, I worked on Amberola 30 number 137. My 50 is SM - - - 7488. I believe the 30 50 and 75 all had their own serial numbers as 137 had reproducer serial number 307 on it. SM is spring motor and number 137 did not have that on the ID plate. I believe just under 310,000 of the 30 50 and 75, 60, and 80's were made as I have not seen a Diamond D reproducer over 310,000. Steve Date: Sat, 24
[Phono-L] Fwd: Amberola 75 serial numbers (Diamond B Serial Number M Reproducer Serial Number)
Steve, I was just thinking about the 3810 number on the M Reproducer. Could the 38 be the Production Number of the reproducer and the 10 for 1910, the year the reproducer was introduced ? Just a thought. Bruce - Original Message - From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 1:24:01 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers (Diamond B Serial Number M Reproducer Serial Number) Thanks for the Information Steve. The Serial Number on the Diamond B is 21708. Also since you are the official guru of Serial Number details, the serial number on the M Reproducer on my Amberola 1A is 3810. Curiously the number 38 is much smaller than the 10, like they may have been put on at two different time periods. This M is the earlier style with the round weight. Bruce - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:27:51 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Hello Bruce, I estimate that less than 2,000 of the N-56 reproducers were made. They were optional for the V and VI's made before the fire when the regular N was found not to work. They were obsolete reproducers made to play wax Amberols. Edison still made and sold wax records until the fire although no new 2 minute titles were made after Sept 1912. He was puzzled at what to do about this until the fire did it for him. Wax records were easy to make and very profitable. The two hardest to find N reproducers are the trowel weight and the N-56. The N-56 was made from June 1913 to the fire of 1914. The trowel weight N came out around the time the trowel weight O did and does not have the lift pillar for the Amberola 5 and 6 lift lever as those machines were not yet made. When the R and S reproducers were no longer made Edison used the tops stamped with R and S serial numbers to make N-56 reproducers, thus the N-56 is found with RS and ON serial numbers. Thanks, Steve Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 15:00:14 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Hi Steve, No, I don't have and N-56 for it to play the earlier wax amberolas. Those must be very uncommon. I will get you the serial number for the Diamond B though. Thanks for the reply, Bruce - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:52:53 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Hello Bruce, What is the serial number of the reproducer on your machine and do you have a N-56 for it? I am trying to get an idea of serial numbers of the Diamond B reproducers from 1914. Steve Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 19:47:54 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Do you have the same information on the Amberola V ? Mine is serial number 845 . - Original Message - From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 2:04:08 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Thanks Al for these serial numbers. It's great to be able to put my Amberola 50 in context of the total production, not only of its own model, but of the series as a whole. Andrew Baron On Aug 25, 2013, at 12:14 AM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: The highest Amberola 30 I recorded is just below 344000. The highest Amberola 50 I have recorded is just over 43000. The highest Amberola 75 in my data mine is just over 21000. So, Steve Medved's reproducer number is in the ballpark for production figures... Regards to all, Al -Original Message- From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Aug 24, 2013 7:49 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Hi Steve ~ Do you have a sense of whether my nickel Diamond C reproducer 48233 would be original to my Amberola 50 Serial #5662? Also, any idea when the Diamond C went from nickel to black paint (year and serial number, more or less)? At a glance it seems the serial number of my Diamond C is way too high for my machine unless one factors in the greater number of Amberola 30's being produced. Still seems like a high reproducer number for the 4-digit machine serial number, but I'd like to get your opinion. This Amberola 50 is otherwise one of the best-preserved I've seen, decent and original outside, mint under the lid, very quiet and smooth low mile motor, etc. Andrew Baron On Aug 24, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Steven Medved wrote:
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers (Diamond B Serial Number M Reproducer Serial Number)
Thanks for the info, as far as I know Bill's wife Wendy, who is now Co-President of Mocaps (The Massachusetts Old Colony Antique Phonograph Society), still has his complete collection, and I have not heard that she has any intention (at least at this point) of parting with it. There is a meeting is a meeting scheduled at her house sometime in September. Bruce - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 2:32:03 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers (Diamond B Serial Number M Reproducer Serial Number) Hello Bruce, The serial numbers are hand stamped so the number size can vary. The lettering on the reproducers was machine stamped. Edison is the king of variety so I would love photos of your M and the serial number. I send you three e-mails with photos, let me know if you got them. The earliest M I know of has the flat K type weight with the serial number on the sound tube. The L and M share serial numbers, the L started off the series, the M joined in then dropped out and the L finished. The final L has the stylus bar held in with a pin not a screw. It was 10381, it was owned by Bill Floyd who was very nice about sending me photos. I wonder who would up with his collection? Steve Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:24:01 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers (Diamond B Serial Number M Reproducer Serial Number) Thanks for the Information Steve. The Serial Number on the Diamond B is 21708. Also since you are the official guru of Serial Number details, the serial number on the M Reproducer on my Amberola 1A is 3810. Curiously the number 38 is much smaller than the 10, like they may have been put on at two different time periods. This M is the earlier style with the round weight. Bruce - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:27:51 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Hello Bruce, I estimate that less than 2,000 of the N-56 reproducers were made. They were optional for the V and VI's made before the fire when the regular N was found not to work. They were obsolete reproducers made to play wax Amberols. Edison still made and sold wax records until the fire although no new 2 minute titles were made after Sept 1912. He was puzzled at what to do about this until the fire did it for him. Wax records were easy to make and very profitable. The two hardest to find N reproducers are the trowel weight and the N-56. The N-56 was made from June 1913 to the fire of 1914. The trowel weight N came out around the time the trowel weight O did and does not have the lift pillar for the Amberola 5 and 6 lift lever as those machines were not yet made. When the R and S reproducers were no longer made Edison used the tops stamped with R and S serial numbers to make N-56 reproducers, thus the N-56 is found with RS and ON serial numbers. Thanks, Steve Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 15:00:14 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Hi Steve, No, I don't have and N-56 for it to play the earlier wax amberolas. Those must be very uncommon. I will get you the serial number for the Diamond B though. Thanks for the reply, Bruce - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:52:53 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Hello Bruce, What is the serial number of the reproducer on your machine and do you have a N-56 for it? I am trying to get an idea of serial numbers of the Diamond B reproducers from 1914. Steve Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 19:47:54 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Do you have the same information on the Amberola V ? Mine is serial number 845 . - Original Message - From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 2:04:08 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Thanks Al for these serial numbers. It's great to be able to put my Amberola 50 in context of the total production, not only of its own model, but of the series as a whole. Andrew Baron On Aug 25, 2013, at 12:14 AM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: The highest Amberola 30 I recorded is just below 344000. The highest Amberola 50 I have recorded is just over 43000. The highest Amberola 75 in my data mine is just
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers
Do you have the same information on the Amberola V ? Mine is serial number 845 . - Original Message - From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 2:04:08 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Thanks Al for these serial numbers. It's great to be able to put my Amberola 50 in context of the total production, not only of its own model, but of the series as a whole. Andrew Baron On Aug 25, 2013, at 12:14 AM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: The highest Amberola 30 I recorded is just below 344000. The highest Amberola 50 I have recorded is just over 43000. The highest Amberola 75 in my data mine is just over 21000. So, Steve Medved's reproducer number is in the ballpark for production figures... Regards to all, Al -Original Message- From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Aug 24, 2013 7:49 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Hi Steve ~ Do you have a sense of whether my nickel Diamond C reproducer 48233 would be original to my Amberola 50 Serial #5662? Also, any idea when the Diamond C went from nickel to black paint (year and serial number, more or less)? At a glance it seems the serial number of my Diamond C is way too high for my machine unless one factors in the greater number of Amberola 30's being produced. Still seems like a high reproducer number for the 4-digit machine serial number, but I'd like to get your opinion. This Amberola 50 is otherwise one of the best-preserved I've seen, decent and original outside, mint under the lid, very quiet and smooth low mile motor, etc. Andrew Baron On Aug 24, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Steven Medved wrote: It is a fairly low serial number, I worked on Amberola 30 number 137. My 50 is SM - - - 7488. I believe the 30 50 and 75 all had their own serial numbers as 137 had reproducer serial number 307 on it. SM is spring motor and number 137 did not have that on the ID plate. I believe just under 310,000 of the 30 50 and 75, 60, and 80's were made as I have not seen a Diamond D reproducer over 310,000. Steve Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 18:15:24 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola 75 serial numbers Hello all I just noticed that the Amberola 75 I purchased at the APS show a couple of weeks ago is serial numbered SM - - - 7072. The three dashes appear on the ID plate. I had not noticed this on other machines. Is this a low serial number? Also, the drawers do not have the clips for record boxes in them as did my last 75. I thought at first that the drawers were replacements, but on close inspection they seem to be original, with no screw holes for the clips. Can anyone enlighten me? Did the earlier machines not have the clips? Or did the earlier ones HAVE the clips and later ones don't? Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742
I have had that happen as well, I think many of us have. You kept driving by the antique shop and something was trying to entice you in, but you didn't act on it, and then you found out something really special was there, but someone else ended up with it because you didn't stop when you should have. It is a sick feeling that does stay with you, especially every time you pass the shop again and again. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:38:40 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 You know what the worst thing is about this? He is from Orange County, which is a couple of hours away, but he found it in a shop ten miles from my house. A shop I have never been to, but meant to go to on Friday! I would have had that machine if I had only gone in there when I meant to!!! Makes me sick... John From: Tim Fabrizio phonop...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Well, all those Herzogs for cylinder machines used an internal horn, though few seem to have retained them. I like Ken's idea about replicating them! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Aug 17, 2013 9:21 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Here is a pic, sorry, forgot the link! http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Herzog%20742 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Rare Gothic
The Columbia Phonograph Companion Volume II by Baumbach Describes this as the Small Gothic (P26) one of Several Grafonolas featuring a dark oak carved cabinet with polychrome decorations. Available with either electric or spring motor. The Original 1919 Price was $675.00 reduced to $450 in 1921. Bruce - Original Message - From: Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 11:50:46 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Gothic Well now, I have a good cabinet with no guts but I have the motor, resistors, turntable.. and a horn that would need to fitted.The tone arm pops up on ebay. When I thought I might finish it tone arms were going for stupid money but not now. I do have a tone arm but it is incorrect. I believe it was made with generic parts. I am not motivated but but by the same token I'll never finish it. If you have a bit of skill it would be a great project. I would be inclined to sell it only as a cabinet and throw the parts into the mix so we have an understanding. The motor works BTW. The lamp is in the cabinet, no top as usual, so is the wooden arm for the lid. I can get you about 90% there. The polychrome is not bright nor strong but I have not tried to clean it. I will sell it when I'm retired or if there is an interest now. They are not hard to sell so now or later. I did have to pay for the cabinet. Union is coming up! Mike Email me at Mike @ oldcranky .com. On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 5:43 PM, c5...@aol.com wrote: We sold one at Union about 6 years ago. In a message dated 5/9/2013 7:49:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, antqf...@yahoo.com writes: How bad do you want one I have one that I might sell. Let me know off list. antqf...@yahoo.com or 530 945 2221 On May 9, 2013, at 9:43 AM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: I want one... I know where two are, but aren't for sale, within 5 miles of here. They are great looking machines. From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 09:10:08 -0700 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Gothic Awesome. On May 9, 2013, at 7:32 AM, Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com wrote: Sometimes, eBay coughs up something really special. http://goo.gl/MMD8q Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] early Vic III ?
Since The Victor III started out as the Victor M (Monarch) model in 1901, and then was transitioned to Victor III nomenclature around 1905 when the tapered arm was first used, and there was some overlap in production with the M Model series, there could have been some use of parts from the earlier Monarch used on your machine, especially since your machine has and early 4 digit serial number, and a very early bottom sticker date from 1902, which you would expect to find on the earliest of the III models which had a rigid arm and concert sound box, and forward positioned crank. This is extremely interesting. That horn is still a mystery, since it does not match up at all to any that Victor was producing for any of its machines at the time, but it fits perfectly into the elbow intended for your Victor III. It is somewhat similar to the round pedaled horns used on the Victor O, but much larger in length and horn opening. Hopefully someone can identify that horn, the maker, and whether it was from a separate Company that made the horns. Bruce - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 11:43:19 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] early Vic III ? I can send pictures to you, if you'd like. What parts do you want to see? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Ken and Brenda Brekke Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 10:17 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] early Vic III ? Is it possible to have a link to pictures? It sounds interesting. Ken B. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Ron L'Herault Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 8:42 PM To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: [Phono-L] early Vic III ? I've just acquired a machine with a plate that reads Type Vic III with serial number 8212 and am wondering if I have got a frankenphono or maybe a machine in transition. It has a slotted winding shaft but it is located to the rear of the case. I'm sure the crank has been fudged. It is tubular an tapered but the down part is not parallel to the side of the case and the wall thickness of the slot end is thicker than that of my Vic Type 6 crank (which fits the III perfectly, BTW). The escutcheon is just a flat plate with two screw holes and a rather large center hole that matches the case hole. I have not found a plugged hole to indicate that a new crank hole has been made either. There are no extra holes in the motorboard. The motor is a Victor motor. It has lead gov. weights. Cabinet size is in the right range. I thought that the reproducer was an early one but even that is in doubt. It had the flat end balance springs and the round needle chuck but the needle chuck has solder showing where it attaches to the rest of the needle bar. It could have been swapped from another reproducer although I don't know why the whole needle bar would not have been used. jamb nuts are the earlier round, grooved edge type rather than nuts. The horn seems to fit correctly, has a rivet and bayonets into the elbow. It is petaled and appears to be brass. Oh, and one last clue, the antiques dealer mentioned that the previous owner had lots of machines and many of them were sold at auction. She acquired it last May along with a Victrola IX which I did not inspect. What are the thoughts of our listmates on this one? Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] early Vic III ?
According to LFTD, Victor D was 1903-1907 while the Victor M was 1901-1905. The Victor Data Book has the M as the precursor of the Victor III, and the Victor D as the precursor of the Victor V. Bruce - Original Message - From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 9:46:13 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] early Vic III ? Bruce: Most recently, I read a reference to a Victor D being the precursor to the Victor III, and I had recalled the Victor M being such as well. Is the reference to the Victor D inaccurate as I suspect it was produced during the same time as the Victor M? Later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of bruce78...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 5:41 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] early Vic III ? Since The Victor III started out as the Victor M (Monarch) model in 1901, and then was transitioned to Victor III nomenclature around 1905 when the tapered arm was first used, and there was some overlap in production with the M Model series, there could have been some use of parts from the earlier Monarch used on your machine, especially since your machine has and early 4 digit serial number, and a very early bottom sticker date from 1902, which you would expect to find on the earliest of the III models which had a rigid arm and concert sound box, and forward positioned crank. This is extremely interesting. That horn is still a mystery, since it does not match up at all to any that Victor was producing for any of its machines at the time, but it fits perfectly into the elbow intended for your Victor III. It is somewhat similar to the round pedaled horns used on the Victor O, but much larger in length and horn opening. Hopefully someone can identify that horn, the maker, and whether it was from a separate Company that made the horns. Bruce - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 11:43:19 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] early Vic III ? I can send pictures to you, if you'd like. What parts do you want to see? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Ken and Brenda Brekke Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 10:17 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] early Vic III ? Is it possible to have a link to pictures? It sounds interesting. Ken B. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Ron L'Herault Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 8:42 PM To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: [Phono-L] early Vic III ? I've just acquired a machine with a plate that reads Type Vic III with serial number 8212 and am wondering if I have got a frankenphono or maybe a machine in transition. It has a slotted winding shaft but it is located to the rear of the case. I'm sure the crank has been fudged. It is tubular an tapered but the down part is not parallel to the side of the case and the wall thickness of the slot end is thicker than that of my Vic Type 6 crank (which fits the III perfectly, BTW). The escutcheon is just a flat plate with two screw holes and a rather large center hole that matches the case hole. I have not found a plugged hole to indicate that a new crank hole has been made either. There are no extra holes in the motorboard. The motor is a Victor motor. It has lead gov. weights. Cabinet size is in the right range. I thought that the reproducer was an early one but even that is in doubt. It had the flat end balance springs and the round needle chuck but the needle chuck has solder showing where it attaches to the rest of the needle bar. It could have been swapped from another reproducer although I don't know why the whole needle bar would not have been used. jamb nuts are the earlier round, grooved edge type rather than nuts. The horn seems to fit correctly, has a rivet and bayonets into the elbow. It is petaled and appears to be brass. Oh, and one last clue, the antiques dealer mentioned that the previous owner had lots of machines and many of them were sold at auction. She acquired it last May along with a Victrola IX which I did not inspect. What are the thoughts of our listmates on this one? Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Charlie Hummel on TV
I do not know anyone in this area that gets the Science Channel. There is a Sci Fi Channel of Course and the Discovery Channel. I have seen the one minute preview and would love to see him in the full 5 minute segment. Some day maybe. - Original Message - From: William Zucca rochr...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 10:06:14 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Charlie Hummel on TV It was only about 5 minutes long near the end of the show. They gave more time to the stupid, dorky host and the dead animal girl. Regards, Green Mountain Bill On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 9:45 AM, srsel...@aol.com wrote: The minute long one was the PREVIEW I posted last week. So... Charley (by the way Charley always spelled his name with a Y as long as I've known him (40+ years!) is only part of show. For those who saw it, how long is Charley's segment? Hoping it goes on web one day. I don't have a smart phone so can't watch it the way Perer did. BTW Happy Edison's Birthday today! S In a message dated 2/10/2013 1:45:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kb...@charter.net writes: Here is the link to the short segment with Charlie Hummel. It is only about a minute long. Hopefully I can find a link to the whole episode. Enjoy!!! http://science.discovery.com/tv-shows/science-channel-presents/videos/edison -shrine.htmhttp://science.discovery.com/tv-shows/science-channel-presents/videos/edison-shrine.htm ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org -- From The Hubbard House On the park in Rochester, Vermont where it's always 1929. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Charlie Hummel on TV
What Network was it on ? - Original Message - From: Tom Jordan tom...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 1:13:11 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Charlie Hummel on TV I happened to catch a new show called Odd Folks Home tonight that features a segment starring Charlie Hummel talking about his Edison collection. FYI It's a spin-off from the show Oddities. Tom ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Charlie Hummel on TV
Unfortunately, that is not an option here. We do get the discovery channel. - Original Message - From: tomj33 tom...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 10:13:13 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Charlie Hummel on TV the Science Channel Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone Original message From: bruce78...@comcast.net Date: To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Charlie Hummel on TV What Network was it on ? - Original Message - From: Tom Jordan tom...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 1:13:11 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Charlie Hummel on TV I happened to catch a new show called Odd Folks Home tonight that features a segment starring Charlie Hummel talking about his Edison collection. FYI It's a spin-off from the show Oddities. Tom ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Charley Hummel on Science Channel
Is the Science Channel the same as the Discovery Channel, we have Cable up here in Mass. but I do not see a Science Channel Listed, we do have a Discovery Channel. - Original Message - From: Bill Burns bi...@ftldesign.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2013 8:06:34 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Charley Hummel on Science Channel On 2/7/2013 12:45 PM, Funk wrote: It looks like this is a new series on Science Channel - Odd Folks Home ? I have set the cable to record. The info says it is the third episode of the series and is called Death and Taxidermy. There is a description tho of one of the segments being about a man being obsessed with a dead inventor. Is the plot Charley Hummel meets Norman Bates! It's a spinoff of the Oddities show, which featured Charley appraising an Edison Talking Doll a couple of years ago. http://science.discovery.com/tv-shows/oddities/videos/oddities-edisons-talking-doll.htm -- Bill ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Sonora The Melody Beautiful Record
I have a Sonora Elite bulge Sided Phonograph, and a few years ago, a friend gave me a very nice Colorful Sheet Music Piece called Sonora The Melody Beautiful, an actual Song written in 1920 about the Sonora Phonograph. On the back of the Sheet Music it shows a picture of a Sonora 78rpm Record with white Lettering on blue background with the title Sonora The Melody Beautiful, and then in big bold print Be Sure to get the Phonograph Record of Sonora The Melody Beautiful . Since I thought this would be a great record to keep with the Sonora Elite and the Sheet music, I have had an Ebay automatic search going for a few years for this record with zero results. Plenty of Sonora record emails sent from ebay for later Sonora Records but never one for this one. Has anyone ever run across this record or have it in their collection ? I am assuming it was not originally for sale, but you could pick it up at your Sonora Dealer back in 1920, which would certainly make it an elusive and very uncommon record today. Hopefully someone without a Sonora Phonograph may have it, and may be willing to part with it. I know, fat chance of that but certainly worth a try. Thanks, Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Rare Victor puzzle record on eBay...
Here is a real early Puzzle Record on Victor from 1901. The Fortune Telling Record. Includes two fortunes and a song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhZQpFKLuEE - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 10:24:28 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Victor puzzle record on eBay... Steve,A true puzzle record is one that is recorded with multiple concentric grooves. These records look like normal 78s, except when you play them, you don't know what selection you will get - usually three to five different choices per side. Put the needle down - you might get an instrumental song - put it down again and you might get a chorus, etc. On the horse race records, you have a possibility of five different winners each time you play... these are very rare and strange records. You could easily overlook one in a pile of common 78s. Hope this clears it up.Curt From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 08:31:38 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Victor puzzle record on eBay... Hello Curt, I did not know there were two types of puzzle records, sound and jigsaw. Steve Yes, it's a Victor ad puzzle, which looks like a record. It's a little too pricey for me, but they are hard to find as a complete puzzle... ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Rare Victor puzzle record on eBay...
I keep getting a message that says the listing has been removed. - Original Message - From: Paul Christenzen pic...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 5:36:36 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Victor puzzle record on eBay... Links worthless... got an ID #? Vinyl Visions wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... SS:US:1123 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] DECAL ID. on Red Banner Edison Home A-
I have 21 lines on mine under the D, but production wise my HOME A Banner was in 1900, so should of had 18. I guess maybe the lid may have been replaced with a later one, if the theory is correct. - Original Message - From: allena...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 4:27:33 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] DECAL ID. on Red Banner Edison Home A- Dennis, I was indeed responsible for that theory and published it (with illus) in APM. Obviously, it is anecdotal information, as the application of these decals (and possible chrono matching to chassis) was not done by TAE in any absolutely precise manner. However, I have never seen such a decal (those little black lines beneath the letter D in the colorful scroll) with less than ten lines (late 1896 on). The next series (1897-98?) seems to be composed of 14 such lines, and the series after that had 18 lines (1899-1901?). It is a mystery as to why each time the decal was manufactured and applied they made those lines finer and finer (and hence more numerous). I certainly invite collectors to take a close look at their 'Suitcase Home' lids and verify (or not) whether the general pattern I noticed still holds up. I haven't seen any evidence (so far) to disprove this observation. Allen _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) -- In a message dated 12/19/2012 2:34:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gpaul2...@aol.com writes: Yes, I remember that. It involved the number of lines beneath the D of EDISON. Unfortunately, that theory didn't hold up, ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Fwd: Craigslist Beauty !
- Forwarded Message - http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/atq/3486128058.html Here is a wonderful new listing. I am particularly impressed with the knowledge of the seller, the reasonable price and the quality of the photo provided. Sometimes you wonder if these types of listings are really on the level, or some sort crazy joke listing. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Maroon Amberol?
The Cylinder Preservation and digitazation project, has the earlier ones listed as blue amberols and the later ones as Royal Purple. You can also hear them here as well, including 29050, the one that Steve just mentioned, which was originally in Blue Amberol, and I assume later production was converted to Royal Purple, as that is how it is listed here. http://cylinders.library.ucsb.edu/search.php?query=royal+purplenum=25queryType=@attr%201=1016%20sortBy=sortOrder=iastart=26 - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 7:01:48 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Maroon Amberol? 29050 came in blue. Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 20:00:47 -0600 From: rich-m...@octoxol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Maroon Amberol? Some of the 29,000 series are more maroon than purple. There was less than stingent QA on color. On 11/27/2012 06:23 PM, Steven Medved wrote: 29001 to 29077 Royal Purple. Some blue amberols are a purple color, I have seen several. From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 18:01:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Maroon Amberol? I don't know. It was with some cylinders that came with an Opera from New York. How would I recognize one, since I have never seen one either? What numbers or what type of titles would be on a Royal Purple - classical? Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:12:30 -0800 From: dda...@sbcglobal.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Maroon Amberol? A Royal Purple? --- On Tue, 11/27/12, Vinyl Visionsvinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visionsvinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: [Phono-L] Maroon Amberol? To: phono-l@oldcrank.orgphono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tuesday, November 27, 2012, 5:03 PM Is there any significance to a maroon colored Amberol cylinder? A friend said he found one, and since he is a knowledgeable collector, I believe him when he says its unusual and unlike others he has seen over 40 yrs. - I haven't seen it yet. Any ideas? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed
Is that in one of the new editions? I still have my 1990 Hard cover edition, and can't seem to find a photo of the Gibson nor a discussion or reference to Gibson. Guess it is finally time to update to the new edition. Bruce - Original Message - From: RBaumbach phonol...@mac.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:24:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed There is a photo of the Gibson and a discussion of his contributions in Look for the Dog as well. Bob On ThursdaySeptember 27, 2012, at September2720124:17 PM, bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: Whoops, Ok, I do have your wonderful descriptive pictorial A world of Antique Phonographs but unfortunately I do not have Discovering Antique Phonographs, so for now I guess I am out of luck, as far as seeing the rare and seldom seen Gibson Gramophone. Was it made by the same folks who supplied the Gibson Traveling arm for various early Victor Talking machines, and the Gibson arm for Zonophones ? - Original Message - From: George Paul gpaul2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:39:11 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed I don't know about websites, but 3 photos of a Gibson Gramophone may be seen on pages 58-59 of Discovering Antique Phonographs. George P. -Original Message- From: bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:27 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed An obvious misunderstanding. I had acquired a Victor Monarch Jr., that came with a Gibson (Sheet Metal type) traveling arm, that was missing the swivel pin, which I needed in order to make it functional . Ken from Wisconsin, was the only collector or supplier for that matter, that I was able to find that actually had a spare and he graciously sold it to me for a reasonable price. I never have owned a Gibson Phonograph. Is there any website where one of these rare Gibson's can be seen ? Bruce - Original Message - From: zonophone2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:11:15 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed hi bruce so there are three gibson phonographs now i know the oliphants and howard hazelcorn each have one is your complete zono -Original Message- From: bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:02 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed Wow, that is a tough one, an obscure late 20's Sonora phonograph, with an even ore obscure extension for the crank . George Volema at Great Lakes may be your est bet. There is also a fellow in Wisconsin, who is an avid Phonograph ollector, who has over the years managed to obtain, many odd and obscure parts s well. When I was looking for an odd rare part (the swivel pin) for a Gibson raveling Tone arm, he was the only one I could find in the entire U.S. honograph world that seemed to have one. When I come up with his name I will orward it to you. - Original Message - rom: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net o: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org ent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 9:25:41 PM ubject: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed Phono List: I am looking for another needle in a haystack however, this group has lways helped. I had a motor repaired with new springs and apparently I misplaced or lost a art! First of all, it is a Sonora floor model. On the underside of the lid it as: Tonalie sonora Clear as a bell I think it is a late 20s model as it has a similar cabinet design as my ictor VV-8-35, thus my guess at the year. Any info on the machine in general? I am missing an extension for the crank which attaches to the motor inding shaft and, if I recall correctly, is about 4' to 6' in length. The rank threads on the extension allowing the crank to function the distance rom the right cabinet wall to reach the motor. The extension part looked ike it was made from a wire or rod wound around to make the extension. So: Has anyone have an idea of what the *** I am trying to explain / describe? oreover, anyone have one to part with? Or a workable substitute. Thanks Bob ___ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed
Wow, that is a tough one, an obscure late 20's Sonora phonograph, with an even more obscure extension for the crank . George Volema at Great Lakes may be your best bet. There is also a fellow in Wisconsin, who is an avid Phonograph Collector, who has over the years managed to obtain, many odd and obscure parts as well. When I was looking for an odd rare part (the swivel pin) for a Gibson Traveling Tone arm, he was the only one I could find in the entire U.S. Phonograph world that seemed to have one. When I come up with his name I will forward it to you. - Original Message - From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 9:25:41 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed Phono List: I am looking for another needle in a haystack however, this group has always helped. I had a motor repaired with new springs and apparently I misplaced or lost a part! First of all, it is a Sonora floor model. On the underside of the lid it has: Tonalie sonora Clear as a bell I think it is a late 20s model as it has a similar cabinet design as my Victor VV-8-35, thus my guess at the year. Any info on the machine in general? I am missing an extension for the crank which attaches to the motor winding shaft and, if I recall correctly, is about 4' to 6' in length. The crank threads on the extension allowing the crank to function the distance from the right cabinet wall to reach the motor. The extension part looked like it was made from a wire or rod wound around to make the extension. So: Has anyone have an idea of what the *** I am trying to explain / describe? Moreover, anyone have one to part with? Or a workable substitute. Thanks Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed
An obvious misunderstanding. I had acquired a Victor Monarch Jr., that came with a Gibson (Sheet Metal type) traveling arm, that was missing the swivel pin, which I needed in order to make it functional . Ken from Wisconsin, was the only collector or supplier for that matter, that I was able to find that actually had a spare and he graciously sold it to me for a reasonable price. I never have owned a Gibson Phonograph. Is there any website where one of these rare Gibson's can be seen ? Bruce - Original Message - From: zonophone2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:11:15 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed hi bruce so there are three gibson phonographs now i know the oliphants and howard hazelcorn each have one is your complete zono -Original Message- From: bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:02 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed Wow, that is a tough one, an obscure late 20's Sonora phonograph, with an even ore obscure extension for the crank . George Volema at Great Lakes may be your est bet. There is also a fellow in Wisconsin, who is an avid Phonograph ollector, who has over the years managed to obtain, many odd and obscure parts s well. When I was looking for an odd rare part (the swivel pin) for a Gibson raveling Tone arm, he was the only one I could find in the entire U.S. honograph world that seemed to have one. When I come up with his name I will orward it to you. - Original Message - rom: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net o: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org ent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 9:25:41 PM ubject: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed Phono List: I am looking for another needle in a haystack however, this group has lways helped. I had a motor repaired with new springs and apparently I misplaced or lost a art! First of all, it is a Sonora floor model. On the underside of the lid it as: Tonalie sonora Clear as a bell I think it is a late 20s model as it has a similar cabinet design as my ictor VV-8-35, thus my guess at the year. Any info on the machine in general? I am missing an extension for the crank which attaches to the motor inding shaft and, if I recall correctly, is about 4' to 6' in length. The rank threads on the extension allowing the crank to function the distance rom the right cabinet wall to reach the motor. The extension part looked ike it was made from a wire or rod wound around to make the extension. So: Has anyone have an idea of what the *** I am trying to explain / describe? oreover, anyone have one to part with? Or a workable substitute. Thanks Bob ___ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed
I believe it was Ken Brekke from Wisconsin Antique Phonograph Society, who supplied me that part. Yours is a real long shot, but you could give him a try anyway. Bruce - Original Message - From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 9:46:35 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed Bruce: Thanks for your suggestions. I previously asked George however, he didn't have the part. Now that I have the more specific phono style / type, I will ask again. The other fellows contact info would be appreciated. Any reference or links to this model would help. Later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of bruce78...@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 5:48 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed Wow, that is a tough one, an obscure late 20's Sonora phonograph, with an even more obscure extension for the crank . George Volema at Great Lakes may be your best bet. There is also a fellow in Wisconsin, who is an avid Phonograph Collector, who has over the years managed to obtain, many odd and obscure parts as well. When I was looking for an odd rare part (the swivel pin) for a Gibson Traveling Tone arm, he was the only one I could find in the entire U.S. Phonograph world that seemed to have one. When I come up with his name I will forward it to you. - Original Message - From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 9:25:41 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed Phono List: I am looking for another needle in a haystack however, this group has always helped. I had a motor repaired with new springs and apparently I misplaced or lost a part! First of all, it is a Sonora floor model. On the underside of the lid it has: Tonalie sonora Clear as a bell I think it is a late 20s model as it has a similar cabinet design as my Victor VV-8-35, thus my guess at the year. Any info on the machine in general? I am missing an extension for the crank which attaches to the motor winding shaft and, if I recall correctly, is about 4' to 6' in length. The crank threads on the extension allowing the crank to function the distance from the right cabinet wall to reach the motor. The extension part looked like it was made from a wire or rod wound around to make the extension. So: Has anyone have an idea of what the *** I am trying to explain / describe? Moreover, anyone have one to part with? Or a workable substitute. Thanks Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed
Whoops, Ok, I do have your wonderful descriptive pictorial A world of Antique Phonographs but unfortunately I do not have Discovering Antique Phonographs, so for now I guess I am out of luck, as far as seeing the rare and seldom seen Gibson Gramophone. Was it made by the same folks who supplied the Gibson Traveling arm for various early Victor Talking machines, and the Gibson arm for Zonophones ? - Original Message - From: George Paul gpaul2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:39:11 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed I don't know about websites, but 3 photos of a Gibson Gramophone may be seen on pages 58-59 of Discovering Antique Phonographs. George P. -Original Message- From: bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:27 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed An obvious misunderstanding. I had acquired a Victor Monarch Jr., that came with a Gibson (Sheet Metal type) traveling arm, that was missing the swivel pin, which I needed in order to make it functional . Ken from Wisconsin, was the only collector or supplier for that matter, that I was able to find that actually had a spare and he graciously sold it to me for a reasonable price. I never have owned a Gibson Phonograph. Is there any website where one of these rare Gibson's can be seen ? Bruce - Original Message - From: zonophone2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:11:15 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed hi bruce so there are three gibson phonographs now i know the oliphants and howard hazelcorn each have one is your complete zono -Original Message- From: bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:02 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed Wow, that is a tough one, an obscure late 20's Sonora phonograph, with an even ore obscure extension for the crank . George Volema at Great Lakes may be your est bet. There is also a fellow in Wisconsin, who is an avid Phonograph ollector, who has over the years managed to obtain, many odd and obscure parts s well. When I was looking for an odd rare part (the swivel pin) for a Gibson raveling Tone arm, he was the only one I could find in the entire U.S. honograph world that seemed to have one. When I come up with his name I will orward it to you. - Original Message - rom: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net o: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org ent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 9:25:41 PM ubject: [Phono-L] Sonora Tonalie part needed Phono List: I am looking for another needle in a haystack however, this group has lways helped. I had a motor repaired with new springs and apparently I misplaced or lost a art! First of all, it is a Sonora floor model. On the underside of the lid it as: Tonalie sonora Clear as a bell I think it is a late 20s model as it has a similar cabinet design as my ictor VV-8-35, thus my guess at the year. Any info on the machine in general? I am missing an extension for the crank which attaches to the motor inding shaft and, if I recall correctly, is about 4' to 6' in length. The rank threads on the extension allowing the crank to function the distance rom the right cabinet wall to reach the motor. The extension part looked ike it was made from a wire or rod wound around to make the extension. So: Has anyone have an idea of what the *** I am trying to explain / describe? oreover, anyone have one to part with? Or a workable substitute. Thanks Bob ___ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Early Aeolian Vertical Groove Recording Speed.
Can anyone confirm the RPM's that the earliest Aeolian Vertical Groove records were produced at in the late 19 Teens ? I have a couple of these, and it gives no indication on the record what speed they should be played. Thanks, Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Bob Johnson News Article
Yes, Great Guy, he was MR. Victor on the internet and his site gave you a tour of his home in the hills and his fabulous museum collection of mostly top of the line phonographs. He helped me out personally, when I needed an aluminum horn for my Columbia (MacDonald AB), he offered me one of his spare horns at a minimal price, and I still have it and display it with the AB. He also possessed a beautiful mint condition original Complete Eldridge Johnson (Victor)$3.00 Toy Talking Machine which his wife purchased for him as a surprise at one of the phonograph shows awhile back. When I was trying to find what the horn and connecting bracket and reproducer looked like on one of these rarities, he was kind and generous and sent me not only some photos, but also the dimensions. For any of you who have never visited his great Mr. Victor Site I will send you the link in few minutes. As Barry said, he helped out so many people in our hobby that he really didn't know. Bruce - Original Message - From: Barry Kasindorf ba...@barrykasindorf.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 11:49:55 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Bob Johnson News Article Such a shame, what a nice guy. He helped so many people like me he really didn't know. -Barry On 9/20/2012 11:22 AM, Loran T. Hughes wrote: http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120920/NEWS/209200313 Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org -- -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Bob Johnson News Article
Bob Johnson's Mr. Victor Website. What a fabulous Collection !! Bruce - Original Message - From: Barry Kasindorf ba...@barrykasindorf.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 11:49:55 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Bob Johnson News Article Such a shame, what a nice guy. He helped so many people like me he really didn't know. -Barry On 9/20/2012 11:22 AM, Loran T. Hughes wrote: http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120920/NEWS/209200313 Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org -- -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Bob Johnson News Article
http://www.mrvictor.com/ - Original Message - From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 1:15:47 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Bob Johnson News Article Bob Johnson's Mr. Victor Website. What a fabulous Collection !! Bruce - Original Message - From: Barry Kasindorf ba...@barrykasindorf.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 11:49:55 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Bob Johnson News Article Such a shame, what a nice guy. He helped so many people like me he really didn't know. -Barry On 9/20/2012 11:22 AM, Loran T. Hughes wrote: http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120920/NEWS/209200313 Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org -- -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] TV Show Abandoned Edison Amerola 5?
For Shame ! How absolutely hideous !! - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 7:05:12 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] TV Show Abandoned Edison Amerola 5? If that is the best image that National Geographic can create, they need to fire their graphics person... I am not an expert PhotoShop user, but I can do better than this by a long shot. George is right, it is a Standard A image that has been flipped and squinched into an Amberola case... they didn't even bother to edit out the original Amberola horn/arm from behind and below. I particularly like the nice touch of adding an external horn in an internal horn machine, or maybe this was one of those rare phono finds on eBay. LOL From: ediso...@verizon.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:45:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] TV Show Abandoned Edison Amerola 5? ...and it's just an Amberola 30. $2300 restored, indeed ! https://www.box.com/s/eea83676297225d500f8 https://www.box.com/s/16e8b32033aafeefd7e2 https://www.box.com/s/8b3c0041cba66779a17f https://www.box.com/s/20c0ba5df49a4ff74bf8 - Original Message - From: George Paul To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] TV Show Abandoned Edison Amerola 5? Interesting. The image appears to have been photoshopped with a mechanism from an Edison Standard A - reversed! Who says you can't believe advertising? George P. -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:52 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] TV Show Abandoned Edison Amerola 5? Yes, and here is the link to view it: http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/abandoned/videos/abandoned-sneak-peek/ From: tom...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:08:25 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] TV Show Abandoned Edison Amerola 5? I have seen an ad several times on the History Channel for a new showcalled Abandoned. Apparently these guys go into old buildings that have been abandoned for decades and look for treasures. One item that they show in the ad is an Edison floor model machine thatthey identify as an Edison Amberola V. You can clearly see that it has an internal horn, but they have imposed a witches hat horn on it as well.They value it at $2,300.00. Has anyone else seen this ad? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] VTLA 12 Record Storage boxes needed.
Just inquiring to see if any of you have Some of the early Victor 12 Record boxes that came with the Victor L Door VTLA ? I am in need of 3 of the 12 Boxes (each box was designed to hold 15 records) to complete the interior storage area of my VTLA. I would prefer the later lettered boxes (best case scenario would be 12 boxes D, E, G), but in leiu of that, I would be happy with either 3 of the earlier non-lettered style boxes, or any other 3 12 Lettered box combination that you might have in stock. Looking forward hearing from you. Thank you for your time. Sincerely, Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] 2013 Phonograph Show/Sale
I wonder if we could sponsor one some year. You would have to have it somewhere that is close access to an airport and hotels and motels etc. The Attleboro area is close proximity to T.F. Green airport, Rte 95 etc. , you would just need to find a hotel or function hall that was nearby with large enough facilities, to hold a two day event, and also gain access to the list of all of the dealers who can be solicited. and make it on a date where it does not conflict with other well established Phonograph shows/Sales. Bruce - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 10:05:48 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 2013 Phonograph Show/Sale I wish someone would do one close to Boston. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Vinyl Visions Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 9:50 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] 2013 Phonograph Show/Sale Mark you calendars for Saturday, March 2, 2013. We are sponsoring a new and much improved phongraph show in Charlotte, NC. The upcoming show will be held in conjunction with the Metrolina Antique Expo, which typically has 3-5,000 paid buyers in attendance. We believe that this will be a great opportunity for dealers and buyers. Dealer registration is starting now and more info can be obtained from our president, Jon Kelm - jbkphono(at)gmail(dot)com Also, visit our website: www.carolinaphonosociety.com for information on hotel discounts and show updates. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola grills cloth question
Here is a very early Amberola Ad, depicting the seldom seen ill fated earliest style Rococo Grill Amberola 1A Cabinet that was made by Herzog. Note there is no Grill Cloth shown. http://www.atticpaper.com/proddetail.php?prod=1910-edison-amberola-ad Bruce - Original Message - From: clockworkh...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 10:53:42 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola grills cloth question One quick and easy way to tell if the Amberola had a grille cloth or not is to see if the horn is wood grained. The Amberola IA, IB, III, IV, V, IV, VIII, and X series of Diamond Amberolas had wood grained horns so they did not need to have grille cloth to disguise the internal horn. When the Amberola 30, 50, 75, and later 60 and 80 came along it was determined that a quickly glued in grille cloth would be less expensive than the wood grained paint process. So you have an ugly black horn hidden behind the cloth. Along the way people have added grille cloth to the earlier Amberolas (to keep the dust out) and taken the cloth out of the later ones (to let the sound out); thus, there is confusion today. I hope this helps, Al Sefl Edison Nut... ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola grills cloth question
Here is a copy of an original Print Ad for what looks like and Amberola 30. Note there does not appear to be a Grill Cloth present. http://www.amazon.com/Edison-Amberola-Phonograph-Babson-Chicago/dp/B005DGYL60 - Original Message - From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 9:04:40 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola grills cloth question Phono List: What is the history regarding the grills cloth, say on amberola 30s however, it may be applicable to all Amberolas. Often I find old grills with bits of cloth on them, both wood an medal. So.. Did they originally come with cloth or is that a reproduction innovation. Just not sure which way to go on replacing or leaving cloth on the Amberolas I have. L Later Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Something unusual on eBay???
So the part about Haines is true but the other: And so the story goes, an Earl from Austria commissioned a local metal artisan in the early 1930’s to create a brass phonograph. Fashioning his design out of brass from a table top model of the period, parts from existing phonographs were used to make it operational., is obviously a total load of concocted BALONEY !!! Bruce - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 4:50:46 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Something unusual on eBay??? It's a story all right. The bracket and elbow are obviously Crapophone parts form India. And knowing India's huge brass industry, I'd guess the whole thing was made there. I knew Charlie Haines and went to his shop every week for the two years I lived in Philadelphia. I wonder when he got it. It says he sold it in 1996. I returned to California in 1992 so he must have gotten it after I left. Nice story but not worth $5500. John Robles From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:39 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Something unusual on eBay??? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=270936395641ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123#ht_500wt_969 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Columbia AH 2nd style parts needed
The AH 2nd style came with an analyzing Reproducer and a 22 black brass horn, however they have been found supplied with the defunct Talk-O-Phone Co. reproducers (the reference to Talk-0-Phone removed), as well as Talk-O-Phone black and brass horn and connecting metal elbow. They look and sound just fine with these substituted items. Bruce - Original Message - From: zonophone2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 4:43:34 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia AH 2nd style parts needed hi all check on ebay for ladanjus i believe he bought out alot of the smiths parts and may have some if you email him -Original Message- From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com; 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, Mar 21, 2012 9:50 am Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia AH 2nd style parts needed I'm helping someone to find parts for a Columbia AH second style. I have an riginal reproducer that I can put a repro needle bar on (unless someone has n original laying around) and he may have found the crank but he still eeds the horn support parts, i.e., the curved arm that attaches to the ase, the long straight arm (tone arm?) that pivots off the curved arm and hat holds the reproducer, and last but not least the curved part that holds he horn. Original parts are desired but he will use repros if the riginals are made of unobtanium. I've already been in communication with he always helpful George V. Thanks, Ron L ___ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] clubs?
Are you referring to the Massachusetts Old Colony Antique Phonograph Society (Mocaps), which a certified State Chapter of Maps ? that is the only Phonograph Club or Society in the Northeast that I am aware of, and also a member. Bruce - Original Message - From: ger ge...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 3:06:37 PM Subject: [Phono-L] clubs? What is the main phono club for the northeast, the one which lists swap meets, etc. Thanks ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola VI sales pitch
This guy is totally off the wall ! The VI was not introduced until July of 1913, not 1912. He even confuses his entire puff piece by referring to a V toward the end of his diatribe. It is a case of engaging in total exaggerations about this VI in order to find a sucker who will jump in and buy it for the Wacky buy it now price, he his asking. - Original Message - From: john robles john9ten@ pacbell .net To: phonolist phono-l@ oldcrank .org Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 2:57:14 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola VI sales pitch This guy was quite a sales pitch on the Amberola VI he is selling at the following link. His dates are wrong, it is not the first table model Amberola (the Amberola V beat it by 4 months) and it has little in common with the Opera. Love hisline about In fact, consider it a table model Opera... Here's the link: http :// cgi . ebay .com/ ws / eBayISAPI . dll ? ViewItem item=370552343313 John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http ://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Berliner - Do you think this is legit?
Since this is an obvious fraud, I am wondering why you couldn't just send the obvious evidence and links to Ebay and Paypal, and have them take immediate action against the crook. - Original Message - From: Dennis Back back...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 11:55:11 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Berliner - Do you think this is legit? I did a quick google on a phrase from the auction description. Motor is fairly quite for this type of a machine. I found this: http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/antique-berliner-phonograph-110489235 The seller's location of Lithuania was not a good sign to begin with. Sorry about the news. Good luck, and keep us informed. Dennis --- On Sun, 1/29/12, Eric Boyles phonosju...@att.net wrote: From: Eric Boyles phonosju...@att.net Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Berliner - Do you think this is legit? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, January 29, 2012, 11:27 AM *http://tinyurl.com/7xs7jwf* Ebay auction 170773607299 Full disclosure, I was the winner. I paid via Paypal with a CC so if it is a issue then I have some form or protection. $400 including shipping was worth the risk of fighting over it later. I have a email into the seller. I will ask for the serial number on the reproducer. Eric ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Happy New Year 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqqhHCo0ZYM A Happy, Healthy Prosperous New Year to all, Happy Collecting in 2012. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Happy New Year 2012
Wonderful ! Thank you, great looking website. Happy New Year from all of us at MOCAPS, the Massachusetts Old Colony Antique Phonograph Society. - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 6:36:55 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Happy New Year 2012 Thanks, for the video Bruce. It's featured on our webpage: www.carolinaphonosociety.comCurt Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 20:38:39 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Happy New Year 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqqhHCo0ZYM A Happy, Healthy Prosperous New Year to all, Happy Collecting in 2012. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 8, Issue 369
I wasn't aware that the crooks and con artists were coming to meet the sellers with bags of counterfeit dough to pay for items, so you should meet them at the bank, and force the thief to get his money checked before you accept it. Thanks for the tip. There is no way that ebay is not going to get their share, since you have to supply them with a valid credit card number. So either they will take their share out of you paypal account, and if there are no funds in it, they will get it from your credit card. - Original Message - From: ger ge...@comcast.net To: phono-l@ oldcrank .org Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2011 3:39:18 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 8, Issue 369 I'm starting to list stuff on ebay again and they will allow cash on pickup as long as you list an alternate electronic payment as well. You have to put contact me in the shipping instructions when you want a local pickup. Don't mention cash in that box though. Most of what I'll be selling is too heavy to ship and maneuver (at least for me). I'm trying to sell 2 heavy Karastan rugs (ger55), and if this listing goes well, I'll start putting Edison records, vintage machines and horns on. They have a new listing policy: it's called FREE for the first 100 items, with an after-sale fee of 9% with the max of $100 (certain categories are excluded and priced higher, like homes, cars, etc.). The listing is more of a form-type, like check-the-boxes...very different for someone who has not sold there in years (me)!! As far as cash: My brother told me to go to your bank (obviously during banking hours) and accept the cash there, so that it can be checked for authenticity. The pen-checker is good, but the bank is safer, because you can deposit at the same time. Naturally this is after the person sees and commits to take your item. I think you'd have to let ebay pull their $100 out of your CC (or paypal ?) after the sale, since it's a cash transaction...you might want to check how they handle that. If they found out you sold and did not fork over their fee, you'd get banned or sued!? LOL Ger PS: Ebay had to help me set up this first ad...their whole system has changed s much. But the helper was very good. You can't put cash in the shipping instructions or the system will not accept the listing, although you could put it in the text description. Also, I just got the above info a few days ago. One can double check for accuracy. Lately bureaucratic monster companies seem to be confused, or just too big, with different customer service people saying different, often contradictory things! -Original Message- From: phono-l-request@ oldcrank .org Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 3:00 PM To: phono-l@ oldcrank .org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 8, Issue 369 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@ oldcrank .org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http :// oldcrank .org/mailman/ listinfo /phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-request@ oldcrank .org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-owner@ oldcrank .org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. eBay payment options ( gregory caringi ) 2. Re: eBay payment options (chris...@cox.net) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 18:09:58 -0500 From: gregory caringi drgregc @ msn .com To: phono-l phono-l@ oldcrank .org Subject: [Phono-L] eBay payment options Message-ID: SNT127-W52A36C9A34F31D171EF067A7B50@ phx . gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset =iso-8859-1 I recently sold an item on eBay for over $2000. The item will be picked-up at my home rather than shipped. The buyer has offered to pay cash at the time of pick-up. I searched eBay and I am not sure of what their current policy is concerning cash transactions. Any advice in this matter is appreciated. Thanks. -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 20:24:39 -0500 From: chris...@cox.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@ oldcrank .org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay payment options Message-ID: 20111205202439.3MP7M.277794. imail @eastrmwml301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset =utf-8 eBay would rather you used PayPal , so they get a cut of the payment, but they can't forbid local pickup for cash and there would be a huge outcry if they tried. If you are concerned about a stranger coming to your house, set the exchange up in a public place such as a restaurant or your place of work. I can't imagine any other problem (and in fact I just met a buyer today, who came to my office building, and paid me $1,600 in cash for the two items he won). Happy selling! Chris gregory
Re: [Phono-L] six springs! count 'em
Wow, that is pretty darn incredible ! I can't imagine that many of them produced or sold. I wonder why there is not a hint on or in the cabinet or on the bed plate as to who made it . - Original Message - From: Alan Wohl bubb...@optonline.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 3:29:58 PM Subject: [Phono-L] six springs! count 'em When I read about a six spring machine I remembered one that I had thirty years ago. I got it up at the Brimfield , Ma. flea market and thought it was quite a find. Had it for a little while before I sold it. Never did find out what or who made it. Hope I did this correctly. http://www.flickr.com/photos/58867556@N02/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Special - 1940's Mikiphone Portable Pocket Phonograph
And that is the opening bid price, not a buy it now price. SUCH A DEAL . - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 9:32:17 PM Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Special - 1940's Mikiphone Portable Pocket Phonograph Check out this ridiculous listing, just in time for Christmas: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=120816777670ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123#ht_16978wt_2594 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] RARE Model Triumph - LOL, LOL
The advertisement is correct in one respect, if he is able to sell this Long Case Home at that price, that certainly would be Triumph ! - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 8:29:27 PM Subject: [Phono-L] RARE Model Triumph - LOL, LOL Only $5,250 for this RARE model Triumph... https://www.solvangantiques.com/store/products-page/phonographs/rare-model-triumph-phonograph/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Photo Attachments
I still don't see any attachments coming through. Sorry. - Original Message - From: Ken aka: OnATorrent onatorr...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 8:37:37 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Photo Attachments Here is my second try and sending an attachment and I hope it work. I am looking for a reproduction sign board until I can find an original that might take some time. If any of you happen to know where I can get a reproduction sign board for my Columbia Coin-op Graphophe. I checked with a couple of people that say they believe it is a AS but I am not sure. This is my first coin-op machine and I woiuld liike top complete it. Any help is welomed. Thanks to all in advance. Kenneth Keeton From: Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Photo Attachments I've made a setting adjustment and trying once again. Loran On Oct 23, 2011, at 1:00 PM, Rich wrote: Did the attachment make it to anybody? Did not show up here Loran. On 10/23/2011 02:41 PM, Loran Hughes wrote: I've noticed lately that photo attachments to Phono-L aren't scrubbing properly, so photos don't show up in the links like they're supposed to. After much consideration, I've done a couple of things to address this. First, I've set up Phono-L to allow real photo attachments - this means you'll be able to see the photo in the posting. Second, I've removed the size limits on emails. If this works out and doesn't mess up the digest edition, I'll leave it this way. For now, PDF and JPG files are the only types allowed. Please don't attach huge files or more than a couple at a time. We'll see how this works out! If anyone has problems, please let me know! As a test, I've attached a JPG. Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Columbia Coin-op Graphophone 1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 18855 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20111023/6d38c396/attachment.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Columbia Coin-op Graphophone 2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 36574 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20111023/6d38c396/attachment-0001.jpg ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist
I placed a Victrola for sale on Craigslist today, and almost immediately I was contacted by two crooks/scammers. Here is one of the bizarre email I received. I am assuming that a certain % of Sellers actually fall for this lunacy, otherwise these con artists would not be trying it. Hello, I'm making an immediate purchasing on behalf of my client and you will receive check payment in excess over the item price. The check is already signed, authorized and ready to be cashed. You are receiving over payment because it includes shipper's fee, commission along side due payments. So, expect pickup because you are not expected to ship. I understand that you will only allow the shipping company to pickup from your location after you might have received the check. In addition, the check will be sent as soon as you agree with me to deduct your earnings and send the balance through western union office or location. Kindly get back to me ASAP with your full name, address and phone# as it will be written on the check. Kindly have the item removed off advertisement as it is deemed sold and inform me once done. Regards ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist
The Problem is that the initial inquiry such as Can you please tell me if this item is still available, I have an interest, sounds legitimate and so of course you respond, only to get the type of scammer nonsense like I previously displayed in my original email. I have bought and sold items on Craigslist before and have never actually encountered one of these CROOKS, but now the scams and fraud seems to be of epidemic proportions with no end in sight. - Original Message - From: Rick Mazur phonofo...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:23:28 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist Hi Bruce and all: This happens all the time. When I posted items on craigslist I receive emails from people who said I can work from home and make $3000 a week!! Others inlcude onel liners asking Is the item still available? You respond and then you receive an email promoting a job opportunity. Best to ignore these emails and not respond. Rick -Original Message- From: bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net To: Phono-L Phono-L@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 8:57 am Subject: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist I placed a Victrola for sale on Craigslist today, and almost immediately I was ontacted by two crooks/scammers. Here is one of the bizarre email I received. I am assuming that a certain % of ellers actually fall for this lunacy, otherwise these con artists would not be rying it. ello, I'm making an immediate purchasing on behalf of my client and you will eceive check payment in excess over the item price. The check is lready signed, authorized and ready to be cashed. You are receiving ver payment because it includes shipper's fee, commission along side ue payments. So, expect pickup because you are not expected to ship. I understand hat you will only allow the shipping company to pickup from your ocation after you might have received the check. In addition, the check will be sent as soon as you agree with me to educt your earnings and send the balance through western union office r location. Kindly get back to me ASAP with your full name, address nd phone# as it will be written on the check. Kindly have the item emoved off advertisement as it is deemed sold and inform me once one. Regards __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Wayne Phonograph Show Photos
Thanks for the photos. Was that an original 3 1/2' Paper Mache' Nipper that was included in a couple of your photos ? - Original Message - From: Robin Joan Rolfs nip...@dataex.com To: Phono-L phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:54:31 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Wayne Phonograph Show Photos Greetings, The Wayne NJ phonograph show held on October 8-9 was better than ever. More vendors, more customers and perfect fall weather. Sales and trades were brisk and new collectors were in attendance. Michael Devecka is an excellent promoter and has the show well organized. We again took photos of the Saturday outdoor sales and Sunday Show. Some hurried caption errors: Apologies to Croak'n Frog, Archeophone and the Columbia is a Treadle. Enjoy. You can view photos of the show at: http://www.wimaps.org/ Click on Photos and then Wayne Show. Robin Joan Rolfs Visit us at: www.audioantique.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist
Yes, I can imagine that given the multitude of scammers and con artists who now appear to taking over Craigslist, more and more people will be discouraged from using it, and the degree of distrust of anyone making inquiries will continue to rise and rise. Is there a solution ? probably not. There are a 100 times as many as them, as there are those to track them down and stop this nonsense. - Original Message - From: William Zucca rochr...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 10:50:23 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist What a load of crap. I hate those guys. I was confused the first time they tried it with me and I only wonder how many less sophisticated, first-time craigslist sellers give up after not being able to figure out what the hell is going on with these messages. Some sellers ask for a phone number from anyone writing to inquire about an item and say they won't respond without one. I always give my phone number when inquiring about a sale. These idiots make it harder to buy and sell on craigslist and make craigslist users mistrust everyone else who uses it. Damn them. GrnMountainBill On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:43 AM, bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: I placed a Victrola for sale on Craigslist today, and almost immediately I was contacted by two crooks/scammers. Here is one of the bizarre email I received. I am assuming that a certain % of Sellers actually fall for this lunacy, otherwise these con artists would not be trying it. Hello, I'm making an immediate purchasing on behalf of my client and you will receive check payment in excess over the item price. The check is already signed, authorized and ready to be cashed. You are receiving over payment because it includes shipper's fee, commission along side due payments. So, expect pickup because you are not expected to ship. I understand that you will only allow the shipping company to pickup from your location after you might have received the check. In addition, the check will be sent as soon as you agree with me to deduct your earnings and send the balance through western union office or location. Kindly get back to me ASAP with your full name, address and phone# as it will be written on the check. Kindly have the item removed off advertisement as it is deemed sold and inform me once done. Regards ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] What made Humpty Dumpty fall
Thanks for the history lesson Jack. From what I understand, the good guys eventually won the war, and yes the parallels are pretty amazing. Bruce - Original Message - From: Jack Whelan jackwhe...@hotmail.com To: Phono-L phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 7:23:41 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What made Humpty Dumpty fall Hey Steve, Thanks for the Humpty Dumpty history lesson. All this time I understood Humpy Dumpty wasn't an obese egg, but really a rather obese cannon used in the Siege of Colchester during the English Civil War. This three month battle was between the Parlimentarians (today's conservatives, constitutionalists) against the Royalists (today's liberals, supporting the monarchy). Although there is much speculation about the original term Humpty Dumpty, we can all benefit by learning more English History as many lessons learned hundreds of years ago are playing out today. For the serious reader, the story about dissatisfaction with the government and economic decline is pretty much the same, the parallels from three hundred years ago are amazing. Too bad there are no Victor recordings about the real story. By the way, there is no truth to the story about why Jack and Jill went up the hill. Jack From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 21:31:05 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] What made Humpty Dumpty fall HUMPTY DUMPTY by Sterling, Moran, H. von Tilzer as sung by Billy Murray Ed. SmalleEveryone knows Humpty Dumpty sat upon a wall. But no one seems to know what made poor Humpty Dumpty fall. My great-grand-dad was just a lad, but he was there to see. The story's true, so I'll tell you just what he told to me. Humpty Dumpty sat upon a wall. Humpty Dumpty had an awful fall. A girl was passing by. Her skirt was rather high. She kept on going, never knowing-- Glory! How the wind was blowing! Humpty Dumpty nearly lost an eye. If you're a man, you know the reason why. She said, Would you please tie my shoe? Of course, 'twas just a stall. But that's what made poor Humpty Dumpty fall. Humpty Dumpty lived in the time Of old Mother Goose and her nursery rhyme. Hi diddle diddle The profiteers fiddle We all have to dance to their tune. Prices leap to the sky Meat was never so high Since the cow jumped over the moon! You know, I asked my great-grand-dad if Humpty broke a leg. He said, He went completely broke, because he was an egg. She looked so swell That Humpty fell And his poor life was spoiled; But don't forget, He'd be here yet If he had been hard-boiled! Humpty Dumpty sat upon a wall. Humpty Dumpty had an awful fall. The girlie passed him by; She winked her pretty eye. He saw the clocking on her stocking-- Glory my! he said, How shocking! Humpty Dumpty turned around and looked and looked and looked and looked And that's how Humpty Dumpty's goose was cooked. He was weak and took a peek But if you had his view, I bet you'd do like Humpty Dumpty too. Hickory dickory doc, The mouse found a flask in the clock. Two drinks of that stuff Made the mouse feel so tough That he chased all the cats on the block! London Bridge is falling down All around the mulberry bush Jack and Jill Went up the hill For all I know, they're up there still. (?) Down among the wildflowers. All the king's horses and all the king's men Who saw poor Humpty fall Could never put him back upon the wall. From: cdh...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:41:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] WWI music perspective Yeah, I have the record. Much as I remember lyrics, I can't come up with the reason the poor soul flopped. It's a real good recording with a lot of good musicianship, too. Can't remember that, either. My Victor Master book is in another room. It's an orthophonic, so there may be yet another one about the unfortunate egg. Original Message: - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:39:51 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] WWI music perspective Has anyone heard Humpty Dumpty on Victor? We learn what made him fall. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Grille for Edison A-250
Does anyone have the link for the supplier who makes and sell good quality reproduction grilles for an Edison A-250 Disc Phonograph ? I can't seem to locate it on line. Thanks in advance for any help that is forthcoming. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Grille for Edison A-250
That's the fellow. That website has been discontinued, but I sent him an email inquiry and hopefully he is still in business. Bruce - Original Message - From: brice paris antqf...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 9:15:23 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Grille for Edison A-250 Bruce Try Tom Rutkowski at gril...@gmail.com he also has a webb site at www.grampstreasures.com. He has made me several grills including , 1A/DD250 in quartered oak and a puritian curved both way quatered oak. They are perfect and you can not tell from original whne refinished. I highly recommend him. brice From: bruce78...@comcast.net bruce78...@comcast.net To: Phono-L Phono-L@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 5:03 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Grille for Edison A-250 Does anyone have the link for the supplier who makes and sell good quality reproduction grilles for an Edison A-250 Disc Phonograph ? I can't seem to locate it on line. Thanks in advance for any help that is forthcoming. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] My phonograph room
What a wonderful display. You are inspiring me to go upstairs and neaten my up a bit, and dust and vacuum as well ! I also converted my son's former room, into my phonograph room. Bruce - Original Message - From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, September 5, 2011 7:33:24 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] My phonograph room Nice display John. Your pictures are my inspiration. My son is going away to college and guess what I'll be doing in his room? Harvey Kravitz From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2011 12:21 AM Subject: [Phono-L] My phonograph room Here is a link to pics of my phonograph room and machines. I don't have much room so I don't have many machines, but I enjoy what I have. Double click on the pics to enlarge them and read the comments. If you have a photobucket account I'd like to see some of your collections! http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/My%20Phono%20Room/ John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] A-200, A-250 early DD question
Are you sure that the box was not used to pack and secure the reproducer during shipment ? The earlier A-250's actually had a fancy lined presentation box, that was separate from the cabinet, and had spring loaded latch that sprung upon to reveal the reproducer. So once the presentation box was discontinued did they use the box you are referring to . Just speculation at this point, some expert would have to either confirm or trash my theory. Bruce - Original Message - From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:52:51 PM Subject: [Phono-L] A-200, A-250 early DD question Can someone educate me on what the small wood box was for, that's found in the horn compartment in some early Edison Disc Phonographs? The size is 7 long by 3.5 wide, by 3 tall, and it has a wedge shaped block inside that has two 3/4 holes side by side that are 3 to 3.5 inches deep. The wedge block, which is glued in, occupies about half of the interior volume of the box. I assume this contained a kit of lubricants, possibly an oil can, etc., but it would be great to know in more detail what its original purpose was, and greater still to see a photo of how it was equipped when new. Does anyone know when they stopped doing this? Thanks in advance for any insights. Andrew Baron Santa Fe ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] auctioning phonos
Like I said, but I haven't got an answer as yet. You ought to just contact the nearest Chapter of MAPS, and invite the members down to look at and buy all the records and phonographs. Most of the membership collects records as well as phonographs, and they are collectors who are not dealers, and are not not to bamboozle or fast talk you, and they will pay you a fair price of the collection. So, give it some thought. We have not heard as yet whether you have any interest in this concept. - Original Message - From: ge...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: ge...@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:10:22 PM Subject: [Phono-L] auctioning phonos I talked to Stanton a couple of years ago. He wanted to buy outright, would not auction. He practically told me that the records and horns were worth nothing! But then, of course, things were not as well organized as I have them now. Meanwhile, I still want to sell everything at once, not just the Hexaphone. Selling just the Hex leaves me with the other machines and hundreds of records, dozen horns, etc. which I can't pack to ship, so it'd be a struggle to piece it all out separately. Th anks again for input. - Original Message - From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 3:00:00 PM Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 8, Issue 218 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Re: auction fees (George) 2. Re: auction fees (bruce78...@comcast.net) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 14:12:17 -0400 From: George victr...@triton.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] auction fees Message-ID: 4FA6140BE4E74754BE9F4F1B3D0EBC31@VALUEDCB7D4C82 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Maybe you ought to contact Stanton's Auctions and talk to them about a consignment. They have their fall phonograph auction coming up in Nov. They do pickup. Steve knows his stuff and is very honest and reliable. Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph Newaygo MI 49337-8556 www.victroladoctor.com - Original Message - From: ge...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: ge...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 1:48 PM Subject: [Phono-L] auction fees Thanks to all who gave info about auction fees. I asked for their take to be 20% and to put a reserve on the Hexaphone and Zonophone (worth thousands each). THe auctioneer, WOODBURY Auctions then declined...tells ya somethin! I realized later, that a ringer could come in and buy my multi-thousand machines for a few hundred and make off like a bandit if I didn't have a reserve! At first they asked for 35% + shipping costs, then went down to 25% with no charge for shipping. BUT, the mention of reserve suddenly turned them off. Just something to think about...RESERVES are very very important. They may be a put-off to some, but to the seller are critical and I'm very grateful for the replies I got here. Thanks folks, many thanks!!! Ger If anyone hears of an auction or buyer willing to take on my collection fairly, please let me know...still would like to clear it out (northwest CT)...for real this time. ;) Besides the Hex and Zono, there are 4 Edisons, a Vic, a Herbert (reproducer area incorrectly fixed), over a dozen horns including one extra large round brass, a bunch of parts, and over 500 records, about half of which look like decent blue Amberols (a couple of other odd ones too some good wax). Everything is catalogued, including a few dozen fat flat records and a Diamond Disc head with diamond. I've had offers for the 2 main machines, but don't want to be cherry-picked. :) PS: For any one who finds some of the discussion here unrelated to their immediate situation, I suggest that rather than drop out totally, get put on daily digest...it works well for me, and I actually enjoy it. Thanks for that too. -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 18:23:03 + (UTC) From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] auction fees Message-ID: 1246061143.275096.1311013383617.javamail.r...@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Just curious what reason did they give you for declining your request for a
Re: [Phono-L] auctioning phonos
Do you have the record collection in a word document or other file that you can send out for review. Any record collector worth his salt is going to want to know that is in the collection ie: Titles, artists, labels, condition, etc. in order justify shelling out the cash for the price you wish to get for the records ! - Original Message - From: ge...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: ge...@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:10:22 PM Subject: [Phono-L] auctioning phonos I talked to Stanton a couple of years ago. He wanted to buy outright, would not auction. He practically told me that the records and horns were worth nothing! But then, of course, things were not as well organized as I have them now. Meanwhile, I still want to sell everything at once, not just the Hexaphone. Selling just the Hex leaves me with the other machines and hundreds of records, dozen horns, etc. which I can't pack to ship, so it'd be a struggle to piece it all out separately. Th anks again for input. - Original Message - From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 3:00:00 PM Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 8, Issue 218 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Re: auction fees (George) 2. Re: auction fees (bruce78...@comcast.net) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 14:12:17 -0400 From: George victr...@triton.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] auction fees Message-ID: 4FA6140BE4E74754BE9F4F1B3D0EBC31@VALUEDCB7D4C82 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Maybe you ought to contact Stanton's Auctions and talk to them about a consignment. They have their fall phonograph auction coming up in Nov. They do pickup. Steve knows his stuff and is very honest and reliable. Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph Newaygo MI 49337-8556 www.victroladoctor.com - Original Message - From: ge...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: ge...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 1:48 PM Subject: [Phono-L] auction fees Thanks to all who gave info about auction fees. I asked for their take to be 20% and to put a reserve on the Hexaphone and Zonophone (worth thousands each). THe auctioneer, WOODBURY Auctions then declined...tells ya somethin! I realized later, that a ringer could come in and buy my multi-thousand machines for a few hundred and make off like a bandit if I didn't have a reserve! At first they asked for 35% + shipping costs, then went down to 25% with no charge for shipping. BUT, the mention of reserve suddenly turned them off. Just something to think about...RESERVES are very very important. They may be a put-off to some, but to the seller are critical and I'm very grateful for the replies I got here. Thanks folks, many thanks!!! Ger If anyone hears of an auction or buyer willing to take on my collection fairly, please let me know...still would like to clear it out (northwest CT)...for real this time. ;) Besides the Hex and Zono, there are 4 Edisons, a Vic, a Herbert (reproducer area incorrectly fixed), over a dozen horns including one extra large round brass, a bunch of parts, and over 500 records, about half of which look like decent blue Amberols (a couple of other odd ones too some good wax). Everything is catalogued, including a few dozen fat flat records and a Diamond Disc head with diamond. I've had offers for the 2 main machines, but don't want to be cherry-picked. :) PS: For any one who finds some of the discussion here unrelated to their immediate situation, I suggest that rather than drop out totally, get put on daily digest...it works well for me, and I actually enjoy it. Thanks for that too. -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 18:23:03 + (UTC) From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] auction fees Message-ID: 1246061143.275096.1311013383617.javamail.r...@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Just curious what reason did they give you for declining your request for a reserve on the high ticket items? You are entitled to an explanation. - Original Message - From: ge...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: ge...@comcast.net
Re: [Phono-L] auction fees
You should contact one of the Antique Phonograph Societies in your area (preferably a maps chapter) and have a delegation of the members come out there. Their members are very knowledgable and will give a fair price for your items, and won't rip you off. They are collectors, not someone trying low ball everything and then resell it for a huge profit. That way you avoid all the pretenders, and the rip off artists. Cash and carry, no advertising, no middle man, no commissions, just cash money, to take your precious stuff away where it will have a good home. - Original Message - From: ge...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: ge...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 1:48:31 PM Subject: [Phono-L] auction fees Thanks to all who gave info about auction fees. I asked for their take to be 20% and to put a reserve on the Hexaphone and Zonophone (worth thousands each). THe auctioneer, WOODBURY Auctions then declined...tells ya somethin! I realized later, that a ringer could come in and buy my multi-thousand machines for a few hundred and make off like a bandit if I didn't have a reserve! At first they asked for 35% + shipping costs, then went down to 25% with no charge for shipping. BUT, the mention of reserve suddenly turned them off. Just something to think about...RESERVES are very very important. They may be a put-off to some, but to the seller are critical and I'm very grateful for the replies I got here. Thanks folks, many thanks!!! Ger If anyone hears of an auction or buyer willing to take on my collection fairly, please let me know...still would like to clear it out (northwest CT)...for real this time. ;) Besides the Hex and Zono, there are 4 Edisons, a Vic, a Herbert (reproducer area incorrectly fixed), over a dozen horns including one extra large round brass, a bunch of parts, and over 500 records, about half of which look like decent blue Amberols (a couple of other odd ones too some good wax). Everything is catalogued, including a few dozen fat flat records and a Diamond Disc head with diamond. I've had offers for the 2 main machines, but don't want to be cherry-picked. :) PS: For any one who finds some of the discussion here unrelated to their immediate situation, I suggest that rather than drop out totally, get put on daily digest...it works well for me, and I actually enjoy it. Thanks for that too. - Original Message - From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, July 4, 2011 11:08:24 PM Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 8, Issue 197 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. VTLA wheel casters (jkship) 2. Re: VTLA wheel casters (David Dazer) 3. Re: auction fees (Richard Mazur) 4. Re: Dearborn trip--Edison's last breath (b...@taney.com) 5. Recreating Edison's Inventions... very educational... was Dearborn... (clockworkh...@aol.com) 6. My Dearborn trip (Ken and Brenda Brekke) 7. Edison (Michael Tucker) 8. Re: Recreating Edison's Inventions... very educational... was Dearborn... (Steven Medved) 9. Re: VTLA wheel casters (jkship) 10. Re: VTLA wheel casters (Ron L'Herault) 11. Re: Edison feedscrew on mandrel shaft... Triumph, M, Home... (clockworkh...@aol.com) 12. Re: VTLA wheel casters (jkship) 13. Re: Edison feedscrew on mandrel shaft... Triumph, M, Home... (john robles) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 13:56:24 -0600 From: jkship jks...@bresnan.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] VTLA wheel casters Message-ID: 16F2FFE8882542FE91FEE85D1552AC9A@SHIPLEYSDELL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I am trying to locate a set of four ball bearing type wheel casters for an early VTLA. The part is a brass cup with a pressed on shoulder. The small end of the cup slides up into the leg of the phonograph. In the bottom of one of the cups is the remnant of a ball bearing ring. The open end of the cup has a distinct crimp that I assume held the wheel. Obviously, the three parts I have are missing the wheel assembly. I checked with George and Ron to no avail... Thanks -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 13:15:13 -0700 (PDT) From: David Dazer dda...@sbcglobal.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] VTLA wheel casters Message-ID:
Re: [Phono-L] auction fees
Just curious what reason did they give you for declining your request for a reserve on the high ticket items? You are entitled to an explanation. - Original Message - From: ge...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: ge...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 1:48:31 PM Subject: [Phono-L] auction fees Thanks to all who gave info about auction fees. I asked for their take to be 20% and to put a reserve on the Hexaphone and Zonophone (worth thousands each). THe auctioneer, WOODBURY Auctions then declined...tells ya somethin! I realized later, that a ringer could come in and buy my multi-thousand machines for a few hundred and make off like a bandit if I didn't have a reserve! At first they asked for 35% + shipping costs, then went down to 25% with no charge for shipping. BUT, the mention of reserve suddenly turned them off. Just something to think about...RESERVES are very very important. They may be a put-off to some, but to the seller are critical and I'm very grateful for the replies I got here. Thanks folks, many thanks!!! Ger If anyone hears of an auction or buyer willing to take on my collection fairly, please let me know...still would like to clear it out (northwest CT)...for real this time. ;) Besides the Hex and Zono, there are 4 Edisons, a Vic, a Herbert (reproducer area incorrectly fixed), over a dozen horns including one extra large round brass, a bunch of parts, and over 500 records, about half of which look like decent blue Amberols (a couple of other odd ones too some good wax). Everything is catalogued, including a few dozen fat flat records and a Diamond Disc head with diamond. I've had offers for the 2 main machines, but don't want to be cherry-picked. :) PS: For any one who finds some of the discussion here unrelated to their immediate situation, I suggest that rather than drop out totally, get put on daily digest...it works well for me, and I actually enjoy it. Thanks for that too. - Original Message - From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, July 4, 2011 11:08:24 PM Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 8, Issue 197 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. VTLA wheel casters (jkship) 2. Re: VTLA wheel casters (David Dazer) 3. Re: auction fees (Richard Mazur) 4. Re: Dearborn trip--Edison's last breath (b...@taney.com) 5. Recreating Edison's Inventions... very educational... was Dearborn... (clockworkh...@aol.com) 6. My Dearborn trip (Ken and Brenda Brekke) 7. Edison (Michael Tucker) 8. Re: Recreating Edison's Inventions... very educational... was Dearborn... (Steven Medved) 9. Re: VTLA wheel casters (jkship) 10. Re: VTLA wheel casters (Ron L'Herault) 11. Re: Edison feedscrew on mandrel shaft... Triumph, M, Home... (clockworkh...@aol.com) 12. Re: VTLA wheel casters (jkship) 13. Re: Edison feedscrew on mandrel shaft... Triumph, M, Home... (john robles) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 13:56:24 -0600 From: jkship jks...@bresnan.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] VTLA wheel casters Message-ID: 16F2FFE8882542FE91FEE85D1552AC9A@SHIPLEYSDELL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I am trying to locate a set of four ball bearing type wheel casters for an early VTLA. The part is a brass cup with a pressed on shoulder. The small end of the cup slides up into the leg of the phonograph. In the bottom of one of the cups is the remnant of a ball bearing ring. The open end of the cup has a distinct crimp that I assume held the wheel. Obviously, the three parts I have are missing the wheel assembly. I checked with George and Ron to no avail... Thanks -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 13:15:13 -0700 (PDT) From: David Dazer dda...@sbcglobal.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] VTLA wheel casters Message-ID: 1309810513.71949.yahoomailclas...@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Were they only used on the VTLA?? I just parted out a VV-XIV and saved those casters and related parts. In fact, they are still attached to the legs. Let me know if that would be of any use to you. Dave --- On Mon, 7/4/11, jkship jks...@bresnan.net wrote: From: jkship jks...@bresnan.net Subject: [Phono-L] VTLA wheel casters To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date:
[Phono-L] auction fees
You should contact one of the Antique Phonograph Societies in your area (preferably a maps chapter) and have a delegation of the members come out there. Our members are very knowledgable and will give a fair price for your items, and won't rip you off. They are collectors, not someone trying to low ball everything and then resell it for a huge profit. That way you avoid all the pretenders, and the rip off artists. Cash and carry, no advertising, no middle man, no commissions, just cash money, to take your precious stuff away where it will have a good home. - Forwarded Message - From: ge...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: ge...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 1:48:31 PM Subject: [Phono-L] auction fees Thanks to all who gave info about auction fees. I asked for their take to be 20% and to put a reserve on the Hexaphone and Zonophone (worth thousands each). THe auctioneer, WOODBURY Auctions then declined...tells ya somethin! I realized later, that a ringer could come in and buy my multi-thousand machines for a few hundred and make off like a bandit if I didn't have a reserve! At first they asked for 35% + shipping costs, then went down to 25% with no charge for shipping. BUT, the mention of reserve suddenly turned them off. Just something to think about...RESERVES are very very important. They may be a put-off to some, but to the seller are critical and I'm very grateful for the replies I got here. Thanks folks, many thanks!!! Ger If anyone hears of an auction or buyer willing to take on my collection fairly, please let me know...still would like to clear it out (northwest CT)...for real this time. ;) Besides the Hex and Zono, there are 4 Edisons, a Vic, a Herbert (reproducer area incorrectly fixed), over a dozen horns including one extra large round brass, a bunch of parts, and over 500 records, about half of which look like decent blue Amberols (a couple of other odd ones too some good wax). Everything is catalogued, including a few dozen fat flat records and a Diamond Disc head with diamond. I've had offers for the 2 main machines, but don't want to be cherry-picked. :) PS: For any one who finds some of the discussion here unrelated to their immediate situation, I suggest that rather than drop out totally, get put on daily digest...it works well for me, and I actually enjoy it. Thanks for that too. - Original Message - From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, July 4, 2011 11:08:24 PM Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 8, Issue 197 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Phono-L digest... If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. VTLA wheel casters (jkship) 2. Re: VTLA wheel casters (David Dazer) 3. Re: auction fees (Richard Mazur) 4. Re: Dearborn trip--Edison's last breath (b...@taney.com) 5. Recreating Edison's Inventions... very educational... was Dearborn... (clockworkh...@aol.com) 6. My Dearborn trip (Ken and Brenda Brekke) 7. Edison (Michael Tucker) 8. Re: Recreating Edison's Inventions... very educational... was Dearborn... (Steven Medved) 9. Re: VTLA wheel casters (jkship) 10. Re: VTLA wheel casters (Ron L'Herault) 11. Re: Edison feedscrew on mandrel shaft... Triumph, M, Home... (clockworkh...@aol.com) 12. Re: VTLA wheel casters (jkship) 13. Re: Edison feedscrew on mandrel shaft... Triumph, M, Home... (john robles) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 13:56:24 -0600 From: jkship jks...@bresnan.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] VTLA wheel casters Message-ID: 16F2FFE8882542FE91FEE85D1552AC9A@SHIPLEYSDELL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I am trying to locate a set of four ball bearing type wheel casters for an early VTLA. The part is a brass cup with a pressed on shoulder. The small end of the cup slides up into the leg of the phonograph. In the bottom of one of the cups is the remnant of a ball bearing ring. The open end of the cup has a distinct crimp that I assume held the wheel. Obviously, the three parts I have are missing the wheel assembly. I checked with George and Ron to no avail... Thanks -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 13:15:13 -0700 (PDT) From: David Dazer dda...@sbcglobal.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] VTLA wheel casters Message-ID:
Re: [Phono-L] Why did this go so high
I bet you could have knocked the seller over with a feather, after the final bidding !! He obviously would be even more in shock, if he knew what the ultimate potential value of his little hunk of worthless iron and strange looking parts actually is. - Original Message - From: clockworkh...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 12:46:07 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Why did this go so high This is the works from an Edison Eclipse coin op. The motor is the *correct*bipolar motor and not one of the Econowatt Business Phonograph swap ins that are the norm. All you need to do with this one is drop it into the correct cabinet with coin drop box and trip. The extra hole in front of the straight edge is for the coin trip rod. For a purist, this original unmodified Eclipse mechanism is better than solid Platinum. I actually think it went rather low since the listing did not call it a phonograph or state what it really was. An Edison Record Player is hardly enough to describe how really rare that machine was. If I had a spare Eclipse cabinet missing the phonograph mechanism I would have bid upward of $15,000. Regards to all, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Early Announcers on Edison Records
Are there any reference books that would tell you who is doing the opening introduction on an Edison Record ? I was just asked if I could identify the announcer of one of my postings on my youtube channel, namely Edison Gold Moulded two minute Record 8118, In the Good Old Summertime sung by William Redmond. This would have been recorded in September in 1902. Does anyone have any information regarding this announcer ? Thanks, Brice ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army /Navy DD
Here is another really late serial number for an Edison AN. Serial number 3116. Highest I have seen. http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2t=5098start=0 Bruce - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 8:44:17 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army /Navy DD On the special machines Edison started the serial numbers with 1001, like the Amberola 60 and 80. With regards to the number known you have to rely upon other collectors to provide serial numbers and with rare machines this is normally not possible. I am still looking for O reproducer information on reproducers with serial numbers below 5000. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy
As I said, my AN has a serial number near the 3,000 (2934) mark, and doubt if very many more then that were actually made. Bruce - Original Message - From: Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 11:48:49 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy One thing in the Frow book I remember is he cites internal memos as to how many they were making at one point, I think it was 15/ week in late 1917 (could be wrong on time but I think number is correct), which was 1/5 of what they intended, so some numbers could be formulated from that. From the approximate date of that memo (and a cessation of production memo I think he cites) you might be able to find the production file through ENHS's paper archivist. I also think there is a photo of a AN serial plate with a number in the 1000s -- I can't check it because I'm on the road away from home -- and a notice of a piece on them in Edison's house journal Diamond Points which might give some numbers. I got the impression from close reading that Frow discovered roughly how many were produced but didn't see fit to mention it, for whatever reason. I wish you luck in finding one, as they do seem scarce; the only one I've ever had personal acquaintance with was Doug Anderson's in H erkimer. PC From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of ny victrolaman [victrola...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 9:47 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy Thanks. I've read the Frow book many times, but I was hoping for something more recent and maybe crowd-sourced. How about the second half of my inquiry: How difficult would it be to find one today in fairly good condition, and how much should such an example command in today's market? On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu wrote: Check the Frow book -- he certainly gives production history for the model. PC From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of bruce78...@comcast.net [bruce78...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 6:55 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I am not sure whether those statistics exist anywhere. If anyone would know it would be Author and Edison Historian and expert Ron Dethlefson or possibly the curator of the Edison Historic Site. I have an original Army Navy, and it has serial number 2934, which is one of the highest serial numbers I have encountered for AN Edison phonographs. How many still exist ? I could wager a wild guess and say, maybe less then 100 ? again, just a guess. I am not sure what % survival estimates, phonograph historians place on models where the actual production output is known. Bruce - Original Message - From: ny victrolaman victrola...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 10:33:07 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy Does anyone have any idea how many Edison Army Navy phonographs were made during World War I, and how many might still exist? How hard would it be to find one in good (preferably original) condition, and what should one expect to pay for one? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy
Makes you wonder what happened to all of the AN machines that went over to the Battlefields of Europe to entertain the Troups, and what happened to all of them after the War was over. How many were abandoned over there and never brought back, and if not, what the did the respective Military units do with the machines that eventually found there way back to the USA ? Bruce - Original Message - From: Bruce Mercer maxbu...@wowway.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 11:21:12 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I agree with Bill. I've seen four or five A/N on ebay in that time span. I remember the cheapest was 650.00, the others were right at 800.00. One was in very nice cosmetic condition with some paperwork. I almost bid on it myself it was so nice, then came to my senses about 'where' I would put it. Check religiously and one will pop up. Bruce - Original Message - From: Bill Taney b...@taney.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I have seen 4 up for sale in the last 2 years on eBay. They seem to be worth about 800 bucks. Bill Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2011, at 8:47 AM, ny victrolaman victrola...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. I've read the Frow book many times, but I was hoping for something more recent and maybe crowd-sourced. How about the second half of my inquiry: How difficult would it be to find one today in fairly good condition, and how much should such an example command in today's market? On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu wrote: Check the Frow book -- he certainly gives production history for the model. PC From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of bruce78...@comcast.net [bruce78...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 6:55 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I am not sure whether those statistics exist anywhere. If anyone would know it would be Author and Edison Historian and expert Ron Dethlefson or possibly the curator of the Edison Historic Site. I have an original Army Navy, and it has serial number 2934, which is one of the highest serial numbers I have encountered for AN Edison phonographs. How many still exist ? I could wager a wild guess and say, maybe less then 100 ? again, just a guess. I am not sure what % survival estimates, phonograph historians place on models where the actual production output is known. Bruce - Original Message - From: ny victrolaman victrola...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 10:33:07 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy Does anyone have any idea how many Edison Army Navy phonographs were made during World War I, and how many might still exist? How hard would it be to find one in good (preferably original) condition, and what should one expect to pay for one? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy
Ugly and clunkyness of the A N, was part of the beauty of the History of it. It was never intended to be put on display in your living room (Quite a frightening thought), but rather designed to be rugged, and dependable and useful for the boys in the battlefield to lug it around and play records around the campfire. Edison designed it for one purpose in mind. and that was doing his patriotic best, to design a machine that would be functional and hold up under unusual conditions and circumstances. If you are not into the colorful history of Edison, World War I, and the Edison AN, it would be a certain mistake to buy one . I gave a lecture about a month ago at a Local Historical Society, on Edison's Phonographs and Diamond Disc Records, and took along my Edison Army Navy Machine, I set up early and kept it covered until the final selection of the evening, which was Let us not forget played on the Edison Army Navy Machine. I told the story of the creation of the Edison A N machine and the Let Us Not Forget Record, and then unveiled the machine. The crowd of History buffs were absolutely fascinated by it and ran up to take digitals as it played LUNF . Sharing that machine and record and the history behind both of them with this highly receptive crowd will always be one of the highlights from my years of collecting. - Original Message - From: Peter Fraser pjfraser @mac.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@ oldcrank .org Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 2:27:19 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I had one and sold it for three times what I paid. Couldn't wait to get rid of it. Ugly and clunky and huge and ungainly and heavy, and useful only to completist collectors and WWI fans. Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfraser @mac.com On May 27, 2011, at 9:53 AM, William Taney bill@ taney .com wrote: I bid on one of them too. I think I stopped at about 700 and also had the feeling it would be a machine that might wind up in storage and felt that would be a waste (what good is a machine if you don't play it occasionally) Bill On May 27, 2011, at 10:40 AM, bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: Makes you wonder what happened to all of the AN machines that went over to the Battlefields of Europe to entertain the Troups , and what happened to all of them after the War was over. How many were abandoned over there and never brought back, and if not, what the did the respective Military units do with the machines that eventually found there way back to the USA ? Bruce - Original Message - From: Bruce Mercer maxbud12@ wowway .com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@ oldcrank .org Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 11:21:12 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I agree with Bill. I've seen four or five A/N on ebay in that time span. I remember the cheapest was 650.00, the others were right at 800.00. One was in very nice cosmetic condition with some paperwork. I almost bid on it myself it was so nice, then came to my senses about 'where' I would put it. Check religiously and one will pop up. Bruce - Original Message - From: Bill Taney bill@ taney .com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@ oldcrank .org Cc: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@ oldcrank .org Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I have seen 4 up for sale in the last 2 years on eBay. They seem to be worth about 800 bucks. Bill Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2011, at 8:47 AM, ny victrolaman victrolaman @ gmail .com wrote: Thanks. I've read the Frow book many times, but I was hoping for something more recent and maybe crowd-sourced. How about the second half of my inquiry: How difficult would it be to find one today in fairly good condition, and how much should such an example command in today's market? On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Philip Carli Philip_ Carli @ pittsford . monroe . edu wrote: Check the Frow book -- he certainly gives production history for the model. PC From: phono-l-bounces@ oldcrank .org [phono-l-bounces@ oldcrank .org] On Behalf Of bruce78...@comcast.net [bruce78...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 6:55 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy I am not sure whether those statistics exist anywhere. If anyone would know it would be Author and Edison Historian and expert Ron Dethlefson or possibly the curator of the Edison Historic Site. I have an original Army Navy, and it has serial number 2934, which is one of the highest serial numbers I have encountered for AN Edison phonographs. How many still exist ? I could wager a wild guess and say, maybe less then 100 ? again, just a guess. I am not sure what % survival estimates, phonograph historians place on models where the actual production output is known.
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy
I am not sure whether those statistics exist anywhere. If anyone would know it would be Author and Edison Historian and expert Ron Dethlefson or possibly the curator of the Edison Historic Site. I have an original Army Navy, and it has serial number 2934, which is one of the highest serial numbers I have encountered for AN Edison phonographs. How many still exist ? I could wager a wild guess and say, maybe less then 100 ? again, just a guess. I am not sure what % survival estimates, phonograph historians place on models where the actual production output is known. Bruce - Original Message - From: ny victrolaman victrola...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 10:33:07 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Army Navy Does anyone have any idea how many Edison Army Navy phonographs were made during World War I, and how many might still exist? How hard would it be to find one in good (preferably original) condition, and what should one expect to pay for one? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] You gotta love this... Museum Quality Black Patti Record
Yes and here is another absolute bargain on an early Improved Gramophone Record, by the same seller. There are loads of bargains like this offered by this World Renown Collector of Museum Quality Records.!! Scanning through his listings is loads of cheap fun !! http://cgi.ebay.com/78-RPM-MUSEUM-QUALITY-1901-IMPROVED-GRAMOPHONE-NO-GRADE-/390307006718?pt=Music_on_Vinylhash=item5ae01c48fe - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 8:06:10 PM Subject: [Phono-L] You gotta love this... Museum Quality Black Patti Record http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=390314782882ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123#ht_531wt_905 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Carola - Salesman's Sample
Looks like it is ready for the Metal Recycling bin at the local junk transfer station !! - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2011 9:21:36 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Carola - Salesman's Sample John,Here is the machine you should buy for an investment - a Carola Salesman's Sample - Buy It Now and you can probably double your money and it's in your backyard... :) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=130517190303ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123#ht_500wt_1202 Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 21:36:40 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Record Duster Wanted Hello all I have a hole in my record duster collection and I would like to fill it. Anyone got any dusters for sale? I am looking for something more uncommon that the typical MGM, RCA Victor or Decca brushes. Anybody got a Pathe duster?? Lemme know what's out there please. Thanks! John PS Also looking for Billy Murray on Pathe Red Rooster records, and Pathe vertical etched label discs as well. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Carola - Salesman's Sample
LOL, certainly worth the contribution for reducing our Carbon Footprint !! - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2011 9:38:48 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Carola - Salesman's Sample Just what I thought... and it's only $500! Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 13:33:26 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Carola - Salesman's Sample Looks like it is ready for the Metal Recycling bin at the local junk transfer station !! - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2011 9:21:36 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Carola - Salesman's Sample John,Here is the machine you should buy for an investment - a Carola Salesman's Sample - Buy It Now and you can probably double your money and it's in your backyard... :) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=130517190303ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123#ht_500wt_1202 Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 21:36:40 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Record Duster Wanted Hello all I have a hole in my record duster collection and I would like to fill it. Anyone got any dusters for sale? I am looking for something more uncommon that the typical MGM, RCA Victor or Decca brushes. Anybody got a Pathe duster?? Lemme know what's out there please. Thanks! John PS Also looking for Billy Murray on Pathe Red Rooster records, and Pathe vertical etched label discs as well. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Is this a children's phonograph??
Is that the only difference? everything else is the same? Did they make one with a completely dfferent tone are and reproducer? - Original Message - From: zonophone2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 4:32:57 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Is this a children's phonograph?? HI ALL THERE ARE TWO MODELS OF THIS MACHINE AS I HAVE TWO KINDS ONE HAS A SCREW SPEED CONTROL AND THE OTHER YOU BEND UNDER THE MOTOR BOARD FOR THE SPEED BEST ALL ZONO -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 3:20 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Is this a children's phonograph?? Hi John,Even though my 2 cents is only worth 2 cents, I have a couple of questions: does the paint look re-done? Does it crank and play a record all the way through? Does the needle hit the center of the turntable spindle, as it would be very difficult to find another tonearm/reproducer that would be exactly the right length to fit this cabinet, if it has been altered from original. Why would anyone go to the difficulty of altering a cheap machine in the first place? A portable would have probably been more expensive in the past than this machine and these parts don't really look like a portable - look at other CrapoPhones for a comparison. Are there extra holes in the cabinet? These things were made in a time when variations were common, so the fibre arm may or may not have worked as planned or been too expensive, etc. and may have been factory altered with a metal tonearm... who knows? The graining looks good, but if it is actually supposed to be dark mahogany woodgraining, it looks wrong - again variations may have been made, which may still be original. Carola and other small machine makers did odd things sometimes and I am not sure that the product control was as good as other manufacturers. The crank does not appear to stick out too far, and fits the original hole/escutcheon from what I can observe... don't totally write it off without doing more research. I would email Tim Fabrizio, and ask if he has ever seen this machine, as oddballs turn up everyday. If anyone can give you an expert opinion on this, I believe that he can. If you believe that it might be worthwhile, give the seller a copy of these posts and see if he will come down on the price... $100?Curt Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 03:48:17 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Is this a children's phonograph?? Hello all There is a phonograph I am considering buying for resale, ostensibly a children's phonograph that looks liks a small victrola. It is made of woodgrained metal and is nice looking. Can anyone give me an idea of value? I know some small phonographs weren't actually children's phonographs, and I am interested in the history of this one. Pics can be seen here: http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Mini%20Victrola/ Thanks! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Is this a children's phonograph??
Thanks for all of the information. You gotta just love all of the exaggerated hype those new fledgling Companies put into the initial promotion of their products in an effort to break through and compete. The Nightingale of Phonographs, the Violin Fibre tone arm/horn, its beauty and its marvelous ability to translate records and to transfuse the voice and spirit of all musicians into the lives of all people. This marvelous hype and exaggerated gimmickry was an ART in itself back in those days, and makes for great reading !! It is all part of the wonderful history recorded sound. Bruce - Original Message - From: Robin Joan Rolfs nipper@ dataex .com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@ oldcrank .org Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 10:33:07 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Is this a children's phonograph?? Happy Easter, As mentioned previously, the machine being discussed has it's faults. To answer the question posed in the subject line: despite its small size, the company did not market it strictly for children, but for family use. Here is what we said about it in our book Phonograph Dolls and Toys which is available at our website: www . audioantique .com The Carola phonograph was advertised as The Nightingale of Phonographs. Perhaps because the tone arm is of Violin Fibre that prevents a rasping metallic ring, there was no irritating sound as the result of needle scratching. This 22 inch tall phonograph was manufactured by The Carola Company of Cleveland, Ohio. This small phonograph is really not a child's phonograph, but a small phonograph to enchant the adults of the family. This metal phonograph had a faux mahogany finish. The metal cabinet was made by the Art-Metal Co., Jamestown, NY. The children could have a dignified phonograph for themselves. In an ad for the Carola phonograph they proclaimed: Music lovers everywhere, whether rich or poor, welcome the Carola as a means of satisfying their music hunger. Its price is sensational when measured by its intrinsic merit--its beauty and its marvelous ability to translate records and to transfuse the voice and spirit of all musicians into the lives of all people. The Carola has so many exclusive advantages that your enthusiasm will know no bounds. A few of the advantages of the Carola were as follows: Plays all standard records; Uses any standard needle; Sound waves do not pass through metal; Dust-proof compartment is specially designed to contain records. They boasted that this phonograph will Make YOUR Family Happy Too! Of course, if you were not happy at the end of five days, and the Carola was not exactly as represented, the company would return your $15.00. Joan Rolfs www . audioantique .com ___ Phono-L mailing list http ://phono-l. oldcrank .org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Is this a children's phonograph??
You are correct !! This machine did not have an internal horn, the original fiber horn/tone arm was obviously replaced with this makeshift pretender, to make it a Carola/Craponola !! and whoever is trying to sell it, should advertise it as such !! - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 12:53:15 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Is this a children's phonograph?? The arm in John's picture looks like the typical portable arm from the late 1930s. If it is right, there should be some kind of horn in there too. My guess is it just dumps sound into the interior of the case. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of bruce78...@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 12:07 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Is this a children's phonograph?? If you see Joan's detailed follow up, you will note that the ONLY VARIATION was in fact the position of the SPEED REGULATOR, and no other was noted. Bruce - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 12:01:54 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Is this a children's phonograph?? Ok, that pic looks to be original, with the mahogany woodgrain and the fibre/cone tonearm. My question, is still this: look at John's pic and the tonearm is mounted in a different location and also appears to be original. As I said before, where in the world would you find a tonearm, motor and crank that would fit exactly in this machine? Not to say it couldn't be done, but it begs the question - why would anyone go to the trouble to alter a cheap machine in the first place and do such a good job that it would be hard to discern??? Tonearms and reproducers made specifically for different machines are almost impossible to move from one machine to another brand and fit exactly. I still wonder if this is yet another variation of woodgraining (not an unusual concept considering that people like different finishes) and the use of other available parts from the factory. If you look at the pic of the auction machine at the link Bruce sent, you can see what appears to be a speed regulator fitted in a hole where the tonearm on John's machine is mounted... maybe the company decided to use the existing hole for a later changeover to a metal tonearm, as the fibre arm looks delicate. The whole history of phonograph collecting is filled with odd and unbelievable factory variations from respected manufacturers - why not this cheap little machine? What do I know??? I am not an expert, just a collector/restorer. Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 01:14:59 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Is this a children's phonograph?? Thanks. I just found one that looks completely original. If you pull up a close up of the Center Photo you will get a good look at that so-called Violin Fibre Tone Arm/Horn should look like. Note the dark Mahogany Color of the metal cabinet. http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/6056299 Bruce - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 7:47:39 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Is this a children's phonograph?? I am positive that Bruce is right... I was just wondering about possible variations. Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 16:53:58 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Is this a children's phonograph?? This machine as I said is all wrong. The one that appeared on ebay a couple of years ago was correct. It had the fiber tone and the correct reproducer, it was correct color but it was missing the Motor. This is definitely a CAROLA but it has definitely been altered from its original state. If you can live with that drastic alteration of the original then by all means shell out some dough, its whatever makes you happy. - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 11:40:30 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Is this a children's phonograph?? Hi John,Even though my 2 cents is only worth 2 cents, I have a couple of questions: does the paint look re-done? Does it crank and play a record all the way through? Does the needle hit the center of the turntable spindle, as it would be very difficult to find another tonearm/reproducer that would be exactly the right length to fit this cabinet, if it has been altered from original. Why would anyone go to the difficulty of altering a cheap machine in the first place? A portable would have probably been more expensive in the past than this machine and these parts don't really look like a portable - look at other CrapoPhones for a comparison.
Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Records and Bubble Books
I am going in soon to order mine as well. Celebrating the new release, here is a photo that was taken at the special Merle Sprinzen (Little Wonder) Day from about 4 years ago. Here she is with some of the MOCAPS gang in their special Merle Sprinzen Little Wonder Tee shirts. Best of Luck to Merle and Tim with their new Book !! http://s535.photobucket.com/albums/ee358/Sonoraman2/?action=viewcurrent=IM000698.jpg Bruce - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 10:41:54 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Records and Bubble Books I just ordered mine. Now I just need to find you and Tim in the same place at the same time to autograph it. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Merle Sprinzen Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 7:31 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Records and Bubble Books A little bit of shameless self-promotion. The book I co-authored with Tim Brooks, Little Wonder Records and Bubble Books: An Illustrated History and Discography, has just been released by Mainspring Press. It tells the story of the founding of the record label, its early and wild success, the behind-the-scenes courtroom dramas that marked its early history, and the history of its Bubble Book offshoot. It also contains the most complete discography to date, including many new titles and performer attributions. If you're interested, you can purchase a copy here: http://www.mainspringpress.com/book_lw.html ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Desperately Seeking Cylinder
have you considered sending it to the Cylinder Doctor?? - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 10:31:59 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Desperately Seeking Cylinder Hello all Sadly, I cracked one of my favorite cylinders tonight, and I am hoping someone can help me find a replacement. It is Edison 2 minute number 10185 The Market on Saturday Night sung by Ada Jones. Any help would be highly appreciated. Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?
He said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factor, And where pray tell did he derive that knowledge from ? Me thinks very strongly, that it is a figment of his vast imagination !! - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 11:16:47 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:55:15 -0700 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Ward an interesting comment. How would the seller know that? On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Ward Sandstrom w...@bis.midco.net wrote: I contacted the seller days ago and he said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factory. He didn't put my question and his answer back in his auction. Ward S. - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Some of these enhancements were done in the early 50s, and during the depression to improve mail order saleability of used phonos. To tell what you are looking at you would have to be doing paint analysis to date it. Does not realy look Factory though. On 04/09/2011 11:23 AM, Steve Andersen wrote: I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would put special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an artistic owner did this. Steve On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number: 230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Zon -O -Phone
So do you already own this Zonophone, or is it one that you are thinking you might be buying ? There are online sites that explain the History of Zononophone and its founder, Frank Seaman. Victor acquired the Zonophone name around 1903, and continued to market records and also Gramophones under that name, But you can get most the details of the history of Zonophone on line and see where Zonophone fits in the Historical scheme of things in early history of Talking Machines. As for this particular machine ? Hopefully a Zonophone Collector can tell your where this model fits into the History of the Company, and whether it is original . - Original Message - From: Avonlea Kitchen and Bathroom Concepts johnmi...@rogers.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 7:16:38 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Zon -O -Phone I am very new at this game and would like any comments from anybody on this player which you can see in the link in this email. I really like it and it is beautiful to me. Does anyone have any idea when it might have been made, where it fits into the history of things, how much it might be worth, if it looks original to you etc. Any info would be a great help. I find that there is very little info on the net on the Zon-O-Phone players. Perhaps someone might be able to let me know where I can find some info as well. Thank you so much!!! https://picasaweb.google.com/117806271742184276540/954L1KIR?authkey=Gv1sRgCMqd7tKhpu_DNQfeat=directlink ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] shipwrecked phonograph and records
The records appear to unplayable, although they were able to tell what the titles were, they did not say what make and model of 1890's phonograph was found . - Original Message - From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 5:19:07 PM Subject: [Phono-L] shipwrecked phonograph and records Did anyone catch this? http://www.montrealgazette.com/technology/Shipwrecked+music/4509626/story.html Andy Baron ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Pathe Picture Disc
Fantastic Find !! What year would that have produced ?? Did Pathe offer other Picture Discs during the same era ?? - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 12:20:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Pathe Picture Disc Links for pics of both sides of the Pathe Picture Disc http://www.preservemymoney.com/pictures/Pathe%20Side1.jpg http://www.preservemymoney.com/pictures/Pathe%20Side2.jpg From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 09:20:56 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Pathe Picture Disc Over the weekend, I went to the CAMPS show and found an unusual Pathe Picture Record... It is a French can-can recording with some risque (for the time) pictures of Parisian can-can girls on both sides with skirts high in the air. With all of the knowledge on the list, I think that someone out there might know something about this recording. How rare is it? When was it made? Approximate price range? Was it recorded at Moulin Rouge or which night club in Paris? Thanks for any light you might shed on this. If you need more details or pics, I can post them. Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] $6100.01 Edison Standard Phonograph
There is one part of the description that is missing. How in the world did this so-called all original Standard F remain in this brand new, pristine condition all of these years. Was it locked in a Time Capsule some where ?? and then magically discovered to present to the General Public for sale on Ebay ?? The seller owes an explanation to the bidders as to where it came from, and why it still looks to be like New Dealer Stock fresh from the Edison Factory in West Orange. What did he do to it ?? That is the question, itobviously has been meticulously restored, but he needs to say that. To that effect, it is not an original Standard. Bruce - Original Message - From: Steve Andersen ander...@tampabay.rr.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:01:01 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] $6100.01 Edison Standard Phonograph I have been watching Firebottles auctions for 3 years. The seller's machines all have the same identical finish and luster on them. In my opinion, he resprays them. His auctions always bring values which are way our of line and the bidding historys have a pattern of the same person upping their bids several times near the end. If it looks like a duck... On Jan 25, 2011, at 9:52 PM, harvey kravitz wrote: I also followed this auction. I made a couple of posts in another forum on this topic. I can't believe how high this went. I can't sell a Standard for $300.00. Go figure. That seller must be laughing all the way to the bank. For that kind of money, you can get an Edison Opera.or a Victor VI. Harvey Kravitz From: Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, January 25, 2011 6:42:12 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] $6100.01 Edison Standard Phonograph I didn't watch this auction..why did it command such a high price? On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Tim Gray timsanti...@northstate.netwrote: Wow! At least I know it was a honest auction. I have bought a couple of nice machines from the seller. I live 30 minutes from him and picked them up. He allowed me to see some of his other machines and big radio collection. his items are always very nice and they bring better than average prices. Tim http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=190474888084 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] $6100.01 Edison Standard Phonograph
This phonograph was rarely used, and the evidence of that is borne out in aspect of its appearance, regardless of the angle from which it is viewed. So the pristine like new condition of this phonograph is due entirely to the fact that it was Rarely Used ?? How does he know that? He obviously knows quite a bit about the history of this Phonograph. So why not detail that history as part of his description, after all a defined provable history of the machine could only enhance the listing, correct ?? Unless of course there is really some other more obvious reason, why this Edison Standard looks as good as it does. The wording here is indeed very slick indeed . - Original Message - From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 12:33:57 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] $6100.01 Edison Standard Phonograph hmm ... His namesake was the author of Peter Pan ! - Original Message - From: The Farmers g...@usfamily.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 12:23 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] $6100.01 Edison Standard Phonograph I just looked at firebottles feedback and see that sirjamesbarrie bought the Edison, plus many other over-priced items. I don't know exactly who sirjamesbarrie is, but clicking his feedback shows a photo. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] new L member
. Widdicomb -- Widdicomb Furniture Company, Grand Rapids, Michigan. December 1917. Other then the fact that the Widdicomb Phonograph was mfg. by the Widdicomb Furniture Company of Grand Rapids, Michigan and first advertised in the publication Talking Machine World in December of 1917, there is probably very little else know about this phonograph Unless you are able to do some research into the History of the Company. . I guess you could contact Tim Gracyk and see if you could obtain a copy of the Talking Machine World Advertisement , which certainly would be interesting to see, since you own one of their phonographs. Bruce - Original Message - From: Brian Kaiser bkkcom @comcast.net To: phono-l@ oldcrank .org Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 7:07:27 AM Subject: [Phono-L] new L member We have acquired a Widdicomb phonograph and was wondering if anyone can give us insight into its age etc? -- ATTACHMENT -- **An Attachment Was Scrubbed** Name: IMG _7030sm. jpg Type: image/ jpeg Size: 104825 bytes URL: http :// oldcrank .org/ pipermail /phono-l/attachments/20110126/31a7d745/attachment. jpg ___ Phono-L mailing list http ://phono-l. oldcrank .org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] new L member
Maybe the new member could make some digitals available that we can view. I have never seen a Widdicomb Phonograph, and would love to see if it has any really ornate or really unique features that make it stand out among the hundreds of other short lived phonograph products that came and went in a very short time period back in the late 19teens and early 20s. Bruce - Original Message - From: Jeffry Young, D.O. jeff...@prevea.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:00:23 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] new L member Lest we forget, at the hight of the acoustic wind-up phonograph craze, every one wanted a piece of the action. Any furniture company, or cabinet maker could get works for victrolas and in short order were in the phonograph business! To most collectors, these are considered off brand phonographs, and have spotty collector interest. Obviously the more ornate, or the better the wood, the more interest. I am from Wisconsin and just saw a Singerphone made in Milwaukee at a consignment shop. Never heard of it before, and also have no idea whether or not it has any historic connection to the Singer Sewing Machine Co.! Good luck! Jeff Wisconsin -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of bruce78...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 7:45 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] new L member . Widdicomb -- Widdicomb Furniture Company, Grand Rapids, Michigan. December 1917. Other then the fact that the Widdicomb Phonograph was mfg. by the Widdicomb Furniture Company of Grand Rapids, Michigan and first advertised in the publication Talking Machine World in December of 1917, there is probably very little else know about this phonograph Unless you are able to do some research into the History of the Company. . I guess you could contact Tim Gracyk and see if you could obtain a copy of the Talking Machine World Advertisement , which certainly would be interesting to see, since you own one of their phonographs. Bruce - Original Message - From: Brian Kaiser bkkcom @comcast.net To: phono-l@ oldcrank .org Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 7:07:27 AM Subject: [Phono-L] new L member We have acquired a Widdicomb phonograph and was wondering if anyone can give us insight into its age etc? -- ATTACHMENT -- **An Attachment Was Scrubbed** Name: IMG _7030sm. jpg Type: image/ jpeg Size: 104825 bytes URL: http :// oldcrank .org/ pipermail /phono-l/attachments/20110126/31a7d745/attachment. jpg ___ Phono-L mailing list http ://phono-l. oldcrank .org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] $6100.01 Edison Standard Phonograph
Grant, can you tell us any more about the provenance of the machine, and how it managed to be kept in such remarkable condition over the past 100 years. You mention in your description that it hadn't been played much. Is there a history to this this machine that you can share ? Just curious. - Original Message - From: muldwo...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 11:11:42 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] $6100.01 Edison Standard Phonograph Wow -- what a surprise lay in store for me when I opened my email inbox this morning! Glad I skipped the industrial strength java or they'd be carting me off to Mercy General right now. George Vollema Jeff Young -- thank you. Tom -- thank you, too. Tim -- thank you for chiming in, as someone else who knows me. Rich -- yes, a good write-up will (usually) go a long way. And yes, the photo technique is widespread in advertising and similar to that found in the Fabrizio/Paul books, which I've long admired, as have (obviously) countless others. In fact, I first learned of the technique from the late Peter Schiffer, their publisher, who six or seven years ago asked me to write a book for him about early wireless gizmos. It was a project I started with great enthusiasm but unfortunately never got around to finishing (I may have learned Tim's and George's photography technique, but I don't have their discipline or anything close to it.) Edward -- yes, the more clear photos, the better. Harvey -- agreed; it was a lot of dough, but it was a legitimate auction. As anyone who knows me knows (and many of you on this forum do), they're all legitimate auctions: phonos, wireless sets, early electrical apparatus, etc. George Paul -- Yes, definitely. I believe that if you take the time to build it, they'll still come -- both on ebay and elsewhere (eg, Tim's great Phonophan website). John Robles, Steve Anderson and Bruce -- I don't think I've met any of you (although, Steve, I recall seeing you at your table in Orlando a couple of years ago), but I'm sure you're all more charitable people in person than your pile-on posts would lead me to believe. John especially. Anybody who went to the lengths that you went to save the life of your pet clearly has his heart in the right place. Everybody else -- happy Australia Day (at least I think it's today). cheers, Grant (firebottles) In a message dated 1/26/2011 10:35:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, gpaul2...@aol.com writes: Thanks, Rich, for the mention of our books. It's funny - - when asking $50 or $70 for a book, we believed it was incumbent upon us to provide the best photography we could. (I think we improved over the years!) Yet, someone selling an item on eBay, for which they expect to receive hundreds or thousands of dollars, will post one or two fuzzy, out-of-focus images taken with their phone. Along with that, they may post either a 2-line description of what they think the item is, or several pages of pure fantasy. I've watched Firebottles's auctions too, and I've wondered what on earth is gong on. However, after reading first-hand testimonials of the seller's honesty, it appears something very different may be happening. Most everyone buying on eBay is aware of the potential pitfalls, and poor photos/poor descriptions simply decrease a buyer's confidence. This must have an effect on the final bid. Then a seller like Firebottles provides a SERVICE; the opportunity to see the item from all angles and to read an accurate description. Maybe global buyers are willing to pay - handsomely - for such a service and the confidence it inspires. How else can a seller move run-of-the-mill merchandise at such prices? Which begs the question - is the phonograph market really depressed, or is it suffering from the sloppy practices of most eBay sellers? Admittedly, show prices aren't high either, but relatively few people attend shows. I wonder if there were a few dozen sellers like Firebottles on eBay what might happen to the market...? Just a thought. George P. -Original Message- From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, Jan 26, 2011 10:03 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] $6100.01 Edison Standard Phonograph The photo technique is a standard advertising photography process. Seamless paper background, proper color balance, proper gray scale rendering, focus, multi angle lighting. If you want to see the affect of these techniques look at the Fabrizio/Paul series of books. The lighting shows the depth of the finish. Take a copy of the description and either line out everything that is not an actual condition statement or highlight the actual condition statements. Take it apart line by line and word by word. Good photography coupled with a well written description is the secret. Same thing that sells cars. I have seen the many comments about the
Re: [Phono-L] Widdicomb
The cabinet looks very nice. but there does not appear to be any other unique feature that really makes it special or separates it or makes it more special then any of the other countless Phonograph Marketing wanabees, that chose to enter the field and compete against the big three (Victor, Columbia, and Edison), as well as the more established and successful firms like Sonora or Pathe etc. Thus this firm and its phonographs went the way of the DoDo bird within a very short time span. How many were sold and how many still remain in existence, it left up to speculation. Bruce - Original Message - From: John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 2:23:46 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Widdicomb After the fundamental patents owned by the Victor Talking Machine Company expired in 1917, anyone could enter the lateral-groove disc record/phonograph record business without fear of being sued into bankruptcy by Victor's legal department. Dozens if not hundreds of manufacturers answered the call. The Widdicomb was produced sometime between 1917-1924 by a company in Grand Rapids that either was or had access to a furniture factory (Grand Rapids being a center of furniture manufacture). The audio parts and motors were usually obtained from a third-party maker or importer. From: bkk...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:05:57 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Widdicomb Here's a link for high Rez jpegs of the Widdicomb that I just acquired..any thoughts on age etc.? http://www.4shared.com/dir/Lzzgc5Tp/sharing.html ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Widdicomb Catalog
I would love to have a file copy of that catalog. It is interesting to see what some of those off brand Companies had to offer . Thanks for offering. Bruce - Original Message - From: wayne holznagel ethanu...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 5:42:14 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Widdicomb Catalog Hi All, Don't know if this will help at all . . . but I do have an original Widdicomb Phonograph catalog. If anyone was interested I could make copies available. :) Wayne H Living Life is not about making money . . . it is about creating memories that warm the soul. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Charleston Record on eBay
Possibly, but even some collectors who have the Brian Rust Jazz books have not been able to find any information for me on this Group, but personally this is my favorite rendition of this song, of all the one's I've heard. Bruce - Original Message - From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 4:51:58 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Charleston Record on eBay Wonder if its the Bell name for the California Ramblers.. -Original Message- From: bruce78...@comcast.net Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 21:44:27 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Charleston Record on eBay http :// www . youtube .com/watch?v=m6dk9s3_3s4 I have had this version on Bell for quite some time, but I can't find any information on the Hollywood Ramblers, could this be a pseudonym for another more recognizable band ? Bruce - Original Message - From: William Zucca rochrest @ gmail .com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@ oldcrank .org Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 4:19:58 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Charleston Record on eBay Personally, I never liked the Whiteman version because of the lame try at scat singing. I understand that there is a Whiteman version without vocal, but I have never heard it. Grnmountain Bill On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:38 PM, john9ten@ pacbell .net wrote: I still have a copy of the Whiteman version but I am not that impressed by it. I might sell it too. John --Original Message-- From: jimcip @ earthlink .net Sender: phono-l-bounces@ oldcrank .org To: phonolist ReplyTo : phonolist Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Charleston Record on eBay Sent: Jan 19, 2011 11:18 AM My favorite record of The Charleston is that by the Golden Gate Orchestra on Edison diamond disc - Adrian Rollini's bass sax solo is marvelous. Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jimcip @ earthlink .net [Original Message] From: Douglas Houston cdh041@ earthlink .net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@ oldcrank .org Date: 19-Jan-2011 12:43:43 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Charleston Record on eBay I missed a lot of the messages about the Charleston record. was really cxurious , too. Could somebody fill me in on which performance/artist (and possibly label) that was? I've had one on Brunswick for a long time, and feel that it must be about as authentic an arrangement as ever there was. Nice record. Thanks. [Original Message] From: john9ten@ pacbell .net To: phonolist phono-l@ oldcrank .org Date: 1/18/2011 11:32:30 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Charleston Record on eBay Yeah, I was expecting maybe $40 to $50... --Original Message-- From: Vinyl Visions Sender: phono-l-bounces@ oldcrank .org To: phonolist ReplyTo : phonolist Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Charleston Record on eBay Sent: Jan 18, 2011 7:25 PM Hey John, congratulations - that was a home run... Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http ://phono-l. oldcrank .org ___ Phono-L mailing list http ://phono-l. oldcrank .org ___ Phono-L mailing list http ://phono-l. oldcrank .org ___ Phono-L mailing list http ://phono-l. oldcrank .org ___ Phono-L mailing list http ://phono-l. oldcrank .org ___ Phono-L mailing list http ://phono-l. oldcrank .org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Sonora - Adam Deluxe Westminster Art Model on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/Victrola-1920s-Sonora-Adam-DeLuxe-Westminster-Art-/150549920630?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2hash=item230d797b76 Anyone out there in the Austin, Texas area ? Here is a really rare find. A Sonora Period Art Model. I must say I have never seen this particular model except in my Sonora Catalog containing the various art models that they offered in the late teens. This one seems to be all there and in working condition, complete with the Sonora Patented Motor Meter and the deLuxe Carved wooden tone arm. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Sonora - Adam Deluxe Westminster Art Model on ebay
Does anyone know what the numbers at the beginning of the ID plate mean. I am just guessing but the #6 seems to indicate the number of this particular type of Art Model in the Sonora Catalog, while the No. 1 may indicate that this one was the first of this type sold, and the serial number is probably part of a progressive sequence assigned to Sonora Art Models at that time period. Bruce - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 3:18:56 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora - Adam Deluxe Westminster Art Model on ebay and listed as a Victrola... Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 20:15:16 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org CC: phonol...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora - Adam Deluxe Westminster Art Model on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/Victrola-1920s-Sonora-Adam-DeLuxe-Westminster-Art-/150549920630?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2hash=item230d797b76 Anyone out there in the Austin, Texas area ? Here is a really rare find. A Sonora Period Art Model. I must say I have never seen this particular model except in my Sonora Catalog containing the various art models that they offered in the late teens. This one seems to be all there and in working condition, complete with the Sonora Patented Motor Meter and the deLuxe Carved wooden tone arm. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Sonora - Adam Deluxe Westminster Art Model on ebay
I am surprised that Jasper S. has not snapped this rare Art Model up by now. Bruce - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 3:18:56 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sonora - Adam Deluxe Westminster Art Model on ebay and listed as a Victrola... Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 20:15:16 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org CC: phonol...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Phono-L] Sonora - Adam Deluxe Westminster Art Model on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/Victrola-1920s-Sonora-Adam-DeLuxe-Westminster-Art-/150549920630?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2hash=item230d797b76 Anyone out there in the Austin, Texas area ? Here is a really rare find. A Sonora Period Art Model. I must say I have never seen this particular model except in my Sonora Catalog containing the various art models that they offered in the late teens. This one seems to be all there and in working condition, complete with the Sonora Patented Motor Meter and the deLuxe Carved wooden tone arm. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Potential Fraud - Beware (?)
Yes, in Nigeria you wear a badge of honor depending on how many stupid Americans you are able to swindle out of as much money as possible in these fraudulent schemes. - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@ oldcrank .org Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 3:16:45 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Potential Fraud - Beware (?) Hi Ron, I think that there is some Nigerian prince that has one also... It's free - all you need to do is send him your checking account information, a VISA card number for reference and a certified check for the import duty of $350.00 (much cheaper than the guy in Italy) :) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:56:09 -0800 From: hexaphone @ sbcglobal .net To: phono-l@ oldcrank .org Subject: [Phono-L] Potential Fraud - Beware (?) Hi all. On one of the phonograph forums I had a Wanted notice indicating I was looking for a Victrola Orthophonic 8-9 motor. I received a response from a Brian Kidd. His email is brain1@ blumail .org . This one has all the red flags waving. He keeps spelling his own name incorrectly for one. He is located in Italy and wants a money gram or western union payment and his pricing is way out of line i.e. not even reasonable. He wanted 690 euro or more than $900 for a motor of which, of course, he had in stock. Playing along, I asked for pictures. None have been provided (surprise). Anyone else familar with this individual? I would assume he is responding to other people looking for items. Just for a final amusement, I sent him an email stating I would most certainly send a western union for the full amount once I received the product. I am waiting for my reply. Beware. Ron ___ Phono-L mailing list http ://phono-l. oldcrank .org ___ Phono-L mailing list http ://phono-l. oldcrank .org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo
Right !! He must have had an excellent embalmer, or at least one with a good sense of humor !! - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, January 2, 2011 7:45:34 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo From a previous post - Irving Kaufman didn't die til January 1976. This pic is much earlier. You guys are missing an important couple of details... look at this pic again. http://www.preservemymoney.com/pictures/Irving Kaufman.jpg The picture has a date that is hand written on the side and in the background there is a calendar on the wall dated 1976... Pictures don't lie! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/ggbain.27824/?co=ggbain Quite so, heh heh - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, January 2, 2011 9:30:29 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo Pictures may not lie but people do! You're very clever and entertaining! John --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 4:45 PM From a previous post - Irving Kaufman didn't die til January 1976. This pic is much earlier. You guys are missing an important couple of details... look at this pic again. http://www.preservemymoney.com/pictures/Irving Kaufman.jpg The picture has a date that is hand written on the side and in the background there is a calendar on the wall dated 1976... Pictures don't lie! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/ggbain.26646/?co=ggbain Good Point, I wonder what Ada Jones was really cookin up in that frying pan. Bruce - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, January 2, 2011 9:47:44 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo Hi Bruce, You can't trust Government websites... apparently this is a major coverup, since they doctored that photo. Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 02:42:38 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/ggbain.27824/?co=ggbain Quite so, heh heh - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, January 2, 2011 9:30:29 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo Pictures may not lie but people do! You're very clever and entertaining! John --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman - Death Photo To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 4:45 PM From a previous post - Irving Kaufman didn't die til January 1976. This pic is much earlier. You guys are missing an important couple of details... look at this pic again. http://www.preservemymoney.com/pictures/Irving Kaufman.jpg The picture has a date that is hand written on the side and in the background there is a calendar on the wall dated 1976... Pictures don't lie! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Where to buy Grill Cloth
Ahh yes there it is thanks. Looks fairly close to what I need for my Victor VV-1-90. Thanks - Original Message - From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:53:00 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Where to buy Grill Cloth Pattern 60 was for the RCA 100 speaker, and has been replaced by 'new, improved' Pattern 80. http://www.grillecloth.com/pages/new.php - Original Message - From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Where to buy Grill Cloth I believe you are referring to pattern #60, but it appears that one has been discontinued, because I cannot find it in any of his price lists. Unless you were referring to a different one. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Arthur Fields
Here is Billy Murray picking apples !! http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/ggbain.27321/?co=ggbain Bruce - Original Message - From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 12:00:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Arthur Fields They didn't miss any meals! This is from the Bain Collection at the LOC; you can search for more Fields and other NYC-centric images at: http://www.loc.gov/pictures/collection/ggbain/ including this image of a positively slender Paul Whiteman: http://lcweb2.loc.gov/service/pnp/ggbain/32600/32637v.jpg Must be from the time he was depressed worried sick about his band being a success - Paul said he lost 100 pounds in 3 months. - Original Message - From: Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 11:22 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Arther Fields This is link is to Shorpy. A great site. A picture of Arther Fields and his family washing their Stutz in 1919. http://www.shorpy.com/node/2373 Mike oldcranky ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Irving Kaufman
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/ggbain.27824/?co=ggbain Here is Irving Kaufman taking a snooze. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Fwd: Where to buy Grill Cloth
Can someone please direct me to the proper supplier where I can buy a 16 X 8 piece of Grill Cloth for my Victor VV-1-90 Table Model Orthophonic ? I just bought a piece on line from a Phono Supplier who advertised Grill Cloth and specializes in phonograph restoration, what I received was a piece of shiny gold non-porous dress fabric that I could never ever use on this small orthophonic era Victor or any other machine for that matter. I told this fellow exactly what I wanted and what machine it was for. I even sent him a video of the VV-1-90. The grill cloth on the 1-90 is extremely close to the type used on a Victor Credenza, so that kind of Grill Cloth would be acceptable as well. Thanks for your help. B ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
