[Phono-L] Crisis of victrola conscience
Hello all I have a mahogany Victrola VI for sale on Craigslist. A woman has been making serious inquiries on it. Her first question: Does it have a bracket and horn? I said no and I explained that Victrolas have the horns on the inside behind the doors. She writes back and says A bracket, elbow and horn would amplify the sound. Where are you located?. I said that adding those items to this machine would make it a fake, something it was never meant to be. My dilemma? I want to sell the machine, and I have had very little response. She's the first serious one. But I am concerned that if I sell to her she will mangle it. After almost 100 years of life, I don't want to be the one that sells it to Dr Frankenstein. Or am I just being too sentimental? I've sold lots of phonos in my time, and I don't know what happened to them after I sold them. I'd like to hear your opinions! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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A tough call. Once you sell something it is no longer up to you what happens to it.Maybe you should arrange for her to see/hear it if you are close enough and try to determine if she hopes to modify the machine or if she just doesn't understand what you said. Ronald L'Herault Lab Supervisor, Biomaterials Division B.U. School of Dental Medicine 801 Albany Street S203 Roxbury, MA 02119 -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 9:33 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Crisis of victrola conscience Hello all I have a mahogany Victrola VI for sale on Craigslist. A woman has been making serious inquiries on it. Her first question: Does it have a bracket and horn? I said no and I explained that Victrolas have the horns on the inside behind the doors. She writes back and says A bracket, elbow and horn would amplify the sound. Where are you located?. I said that adding those items to this machine would make it a fake, something it was never meant to be. My dilemma? I want to sell the machine, and I have had very little response. She's the first serious one. But I am concerned that if I sell to her she will mangle it. After almost 100 years of life, I don't want to be the one that sells it to Dr Frankenstein. Or am I just being too sentimental? I've sold lots of phonos in my time, and I don't know what happened to them after I sold them. I'd like to hear your opinions! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Yeah. She lives fairly close, apparently. She seems to know what a bracket and elbow are, which makes me wonder if she's gonna turn it into a crapophone to resell. John Sent from my iPhone On Feb 7, 2013, at 7:19 AM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: A tough call. Once you sell something it is no longer up to you what happens to it.Maybe you should arrange for her to see/hear it if you are close enough and try to determine if she hopes to modify the machine or if she just doesn't understand what you said. Ronald L'Herault Lab Supervisor, Biomaterials Division B.U. School of Dental Medicine 801 Albany Street S203 Roxbury, MA 02119 -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 9:33 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Crisis of victrola conscience Hello all I have a mahogany Victrola VI for sale on Craigslist. A woman has been making serious inquiries on it. Her first question: Does it have a bracket and horn? I said no and I explained that Victrolas have the horns on the inside behind the doors. She writes back and says A bracket, elbow and horn would amplify the sound. Where are you located?. I said that adding those items to this machine would make it a fake, something it was never meant to be. My dilemma? I want to sell the machine, and I have had very little response. She's the first serious one. But I am concerned that if I sell to her she will mangle it. After almost 100 years of life, I don't want to be the one that sells it to Dr Frankenstein. Or am I just being too sentimental? I've sold lots of phonos in my time, and I don't know what happened to them after I sold them. I'd like to hear your opinions! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Well, more like a Frankenphono which she would then try to e-bay for big bucks. Ronald L'Herault Lab Supervisor, Biomaterials Division B.U. School of Dental Medicine 801 Albany Street S203 Roxbury, MA 02119 -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of John9ten Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 11:01 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Crisis of victrola conscience Yeah. She lives fairly close, apparently. She seems to know what a bracket and elbow are, which makes me wonder if she's gonna turn it into a crapophone to resell. John Sent from my iPhone On Feb 7, 2013, at 7:19 AM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: A tough call. Once you sell something it is no longer up to you what happens to it.Maybe you should arrange for her to see/hear it if you are close enough and try to determine if she hopes to modify the machine or if she just doesn't understand what you said. Ronald L'Herault Lab Supervisor, Biomaterials Division B.U. School of Dental Medicine 801 Albany Street S203 Roxbury, MA 02119 -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 9:33 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Crisis of victrola conscience Hello all I have a mahogany Victrola VI for sale on Craigslist. A woman has been making serious inquiries on it. Her first question: Does it have a bracket and horn? I said no and I explained that Victrolas have the horns on the inside behind the doors. She writes back and says A bracket, elbow and horn would amplify the sound. Where are you located?. I said that adding those items to this machine would make it a fake, something it was never meant to be. My dilemma? I want to sell the machine, and I have had very little response. She's the first serious one. But I am concerned that if I sell to her she will mangle it. After almost 100 years of life, I don't want to be the one that sells it to Dr Frankenstein. Or am I just being too sentimental? I've sold lots of phonos in my time, and I don't know what happened to them after I sold them. I'd like to hear your opinions! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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I think John is correct to have concern over the fate of the machine, though theoretically sellers are not obligated to care about the fate of what they sell, unless perhaps it's a kitten or a puppy. I would direct the lady to the Crap-O-Phones on eBay, if she wants to own a monstrosity such as that. You may lose the sale, but you'll sleep better. And the possibility definitely remains she may decide it's best to leave the machine as nature intended and buy it anyway. Cheers, Tim Fabrizio. -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:50 am Subject: [Phono-L] Crisis of victrola conscience Hello all I have a mahogany Victrola VI for sale on Craigslist. A woman has been making serious inquiries on it. Her first question: Does it have a bracket and horn? I said no and I explained that Victrolas have the horns on the inside behind the doors. She writes back and says A bracket, elbow and horn would amplify the sound. Where are you located?. I said that adding those items to this machine would make it a fake, something it was never meant to be. My dilemma? I want to sell the machine, and I have had very little response. She's the first serious one. But I am concerned that if I sell to her she will mangle it. After almost 100 years of life, I don't want to be the one that sells it to Dr Frankenstein. Or am I just being too sentimental? I've sold lots of phonos in my time, and I don't know what happened to them after I sold them. I'd like to hear your opinions! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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John, I still have the Victor III you sold me some (I think) 15 yrs ago! It's one of my favorite machines. Ron -Original Message- From: john robles Sent: 2/7/2013 8:41 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Crisis of victrola conscience Hello all I have a mahogany Victrola VI for sale on Craigslist. A woman has been making serious inquiries on it. Her first question: Does it have a bracket and horn? I said no and I explained that Victrolas have the horns on the inside behind the doors. She writes back and says A bracket, elbow and horn would amplify the sound. Where are you located?. I said that adding those items to this machine would make it a fake, something it was never meant to be. My dilemma? I want to sell the machine, and I have had very little response. She's the first serious one. But I am concerned that if I sell to her she will mangle it. After almost 100 years of life, I don't want to be the one that sells it to Dr Frankenstein. Or am I just being too sentimental? I've sold lots of phonos in my time, and I don't know what happened to them after I sold them. I'd like to hear your opinions! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Yeah Ron! That was a nice machine! John Sent from my iPhone On Feb 7, 2013, at 1:31 PM, Ron rnb...@yahoo.com wrote: John, I still have the Victor III you sold me some (I think) 15 yrs ago! It's one of my favorite machines. Ron -Original Message- From: john robles Sent: 2/7/2013 8:41 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Crisis of victrola conscience Hello all I have a mahogany Victrola VI for sale on Craigslist. A woman has been making serious inquiries on it. Her first question: Does it have a bracket and horn? I said no and I explained that Victrolas have the horns on the inside behind the doors. She writes back and says A bracket, elbow and horn would amplify the sound. Where are you located?. I said that adding those items to this machine would make it a fake, something it was never meant to be. My dilemma? I want to sell the machine, and I have had very little response. She's the first serious one. But I am concerned that if I sell to her she will mangle it. After almost 100 years of life, I don't want to be the one that sells it to Dr Frankenstein. Or am I just being too sentimental? I've sold lots of phonos in my time, and I don't know what happened to them after I sold them. I'd like to hear your opinions! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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John, I'm inclined to agree with Tim. She is looking to buy something you don't have. Point her to the crapophones on eBay and educate her as to why yours is different or even better. She might come to understand that the trend she's chasing, design or retro-chic, is flawed. Then again he might not. I say let your conscience be your guide (cue up some Ukulele Ike if it helps). You are already having hesitations for valid reasons. I wouldn't negate those feelings. Keep in mind, Craigslist shoppers aren't normally the buying audience that appreciates quality or history over price. Many aren't very bright (I say this having procured a few machines on CL, haha). You would be abhorred to have someone tell you that they had plans to use your Victrola as an ipod dock, firewood, or gut it out for use as a coffin. I referred to it as your Victrola for a reason: it still is. While you have no right to determine the machine's fate after your time with it ends, she had every right to keep her intentions to herself. As it is still yours, you still have a say about the machine's fate. Your custodianship hasn't run out yet - not until you've made the sale. Afterwards, it's gone; you have no control sadly and have to bid it adieu (perhaps if you're lucky, auf wiedersehen). If you can let it go imagining the worst, then proceed. If not, wait. The right buyer will come along. Or at least one that will keep his or her mouth shut. Arvin My $.02 - spend them or leave them in the take a penny dish. On 2/7/13 9:33 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Hello all I have a mahogany Victrola VI for sale on Craigslist. A woman has been making serious inquiries on it. Her first question: Does it have a bracket and horn? I said no and I explained that Victrolas have the horns on the inside behind the doors. She writes back and says A bracket, elbow and horn would amplify the sound. Where are you located?. I said that adding those items to this machine would make it a fake, something it was never meant to be. My dilemma? I want to sell the machine, and I have had very little response. She's the first serious one. But I am concerned that if I sell to her she will mangle it. After almost 100 years of life, I don't want to be the one that sells it to Dr Frankenstein. Or am I just being too sentimental? I've sold lots of phonos in my time, and I don't know what happened to them after I sold them. I'd like to hear your opinions! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org