Re: [Phono-L] Home Plating Recommendations?
The easy way to get all of this plated is to ship it off to Steve Farmer. It will probably be both quicker and cheaper than the DIY boy chemist approach. On 06/25/2013 10:46 PM, Arvin Casas wrote: Yeah, color matching in the graphics design world as well as other industries is more complicated than most people understand. One man's gold is another man's trash, to reverse the cliché. Unfortunately I'm not aware of any system such as Pantone that can be applied to metal finishing - at least for lowly phono plebs. It would be great to match my tonearm to a standard, get its code and have a finish replicated for it chemically. I have seen other options via a few cursory and early searches, but my query to the group was in the hope that someone might have a recommendation based on experience, even if negative. Of course I'm always keen to experiment for the sake of continuing the knowledge of our hobby (as I know you know Ron from those funny posts of mine on MOCAPS- laughing at not with me - regarding my trying to grow cactus for needles here in MA). This last venture out into terra incognita however, was a little further into hostile territory than I normally prefer to endure. That's why I was hoping others out there might have had at least some cursory experience for me to explore further. A few pennies lost or in vain is one thing, I don't enjoy risking my person. Speaking of risks to health, are there any chemists out there who could chime in with any information on what to avoid? While I don't think we have a hall of martyrs for the preservation and restorations of things phonographic, I'd hate to be the one to inaugurate its building, lol. Arvin On 6/25/13 10:49 PM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: Seems to me Caswell sells/sold a real gold plate kit too. The problem with Gold, and nickel too, but not as bad, is that it is hard to match gold colors. A little difference in karat amount or a few different other chemicals and you have a different gold color, greener, yellower, whatever. Have you tried googling home electroplating kits or brush plating kits? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Arvin Casas Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 12:50 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Home Plating Recommendations? Hello All, I hope your summers have all started off well! I was wondering if any of you had any recommendations for home plating? (No, that is not some variation on getting on base on a first date, but in regards to metal plate finishing as can be done at home.) Always the willing guinea pig for our hobby, I tried the Caswell Plug N' Plate system and had some success with their Nickel product, but only so-so success with their faux Gold. (When I tried contacting their customer service to troubleshoot, the owner came off as a bit emotionally incendiary in his replies to a newbie, so I decided it's not worth me continuing to experiment or use their products.) Are there any other possible approaches or solutions? I have a few gold plated pieces that have suffered some damage over the years prior to my coming into them, and I was hoping, short of sending them out (which I believe is priced per pound), to see if there was something I could try at home on the few pieces that I have that need restoration / preservation. I recall reading about home-brewed tank solutions (mixing gold chloride etc.,. using batteries), but can't recall where (or if they worked). Any recommendations? Thanks! Arvin ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Home Plating Recommendations?
Thanks Rich. Have you tried home plating yourself (or consider it at all)? How did you find it in the end better for you to send it out? How badly off was/were the piece(s) you that required refinishing? I'm genuinely interested in understanding how you came to your conclusion. Was it simply a matter of weighing cost and time or were there other factors? I'm not looking to do this for speed of result or cost efficiency. I recognize that an inherent third in the iron triangle is quality which ideally I'd like to preserve, but if for learning purposes that is sacrificed I'm willing to do, to a point. Plating in my mind is not irreparable, as say major woodworking, so I see no harm picking my 2/3 in learning how a good job is done. That's how I approach this hobby (as well as all my others). My research and appreciation of the invention, innovation, and evolution of phonographs includes exploring the mechanics of their inner workings and the methods and processes of their manufacture and restoration. I know one can easily just order one's dinner made, but sometimes it's beneficial to learn how to cook, even if only to better appreciate a well prepared meal, at least for me. On 6/26/13 1:50 AM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: The easy way to get all of this plated is to ship it off to Steve Farmer. It will probably be both quicker and cheaper than the DIY boy chemist approach. On 06/25/2013 10:46 PM, Arvin Casas wrote: Yeah, color matching in the graphics design world as well as other industries is more complicated than most people understand. One man's gold is another man's trash, to reverse the cliché. Unfortunately I'm not aware of any system such as Pantone that can be applied to metal finishing - at least for lowly phono plebs. It would be great to match my tonearm to a standard, get its code and have a finish replicated for it chemically. I have seen other options via a few cursory and early searches, but my query to the group was in the hope that someone might have a recommendation based on experience, even if negative. Of course I'm always keen to experiment for the sake of continuing the knowledge of our hobby (as I know you know Ron from those funny posts of mine on MOCAPS- laughing at not with me - regarding my trying to grow cactus for needles here in MA). This last venture out into terra incognita however, was a little further into hostile territory than I normally prefer to endure. That's why I was hoping others out there might have had at least some cursory experience for me to explore further. A few pennies lost or in vain is one thing, I don't enjoy risking my person. Speaking of risks to health, are there any chemists out there who could chime in with any information on what to avoid? While I don't think we have a hall of martyrs for the preservation and restorations of things phonographic, I'd hate to be the one to inaugurate its building, lol. Arvin On 6/25/13 10:49 PM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: Seems to me Caswell sells/sold a real gold plate kit too. The problem with Gold, and nickel too, but not as bad, is that it is hard to match gold colors. A little difference in karat amount or a few different other chemicals and you have a different gold color, greener, yellower, whatever. Have you tried googling home electroplating kits or brush plating kits? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Arvin Casas Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 12:50 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Home Plating Recommendations? Hello All, I hope your summers have all started off well! I was wondering if any of you had any recommendations for home plating? (No, that is not some variation on getting on base on a first date, but in regards to metal plate finishing as can be done at home.) Always the willing guinea pig for our hobby, I tried the Caswell Plug N' Plate system and had some success with their Nickel product, but only so-so success with their faux Gold. (When I tried contacting their customer service to troubleshoot, the owner came off as a bit emotionally incendiary in his replies to a newbie, so I decided it's not worth me continuing to experiment or use their products.) Are there any other possible approaches or solutions? I have a few gold plated pieces that have suffered some damage over the years prior to my coming into them, and I was hoping, short of sending them out (which I believe is priced per pound), to see if there was something I could try at home on the few pieces that I have that need restoration / preservation. I recall reading about home-brewed tank solutions (mixing gold chloride etc.,. using batteries), but can't recall where (or if they worked). Any recommendations? Thanks! Arvin ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Home Plating Recommendations?
The physical equipment required to properly plate anything is expensive and in some cases difficult to obtain and must be constructed from scratch. The chemicals required to do the various required cleaning steps are difficult/expensive to obtain in small quantities and toxic. The mechanical prep is difficult and again requires polishing equipment not commonly available. I have looked into this several times and the result is always the same, high cost - less than desired results as a DIY project. There are some things you can pull off at home and some you can not. Gold and nickel plating of used antique parts is not easily done even if you can successfully get the part properly polished and cleaned. The smoothness - shine of the final product is determined by degree of polish of the unplated part. The electroless nickel process works well for easily polished small parts such as screws and levers but become prohibitively expensive on larger pieces but it does work. There are several different formulations of the plating bath and the ones that plate the best are also the ones that are difficult to obtain due to the shipping restrictions, and human - environmental hazards On 06/26/2013 07:17 AM, Arvin Casas wrote: Thanks Rich. Have you tried home plating yourself (or consider it at all)? How did you find it in the end better for you to send it out? How badly off was/were the piece(s) you that required refinishing? I'm genuinely interested in understanding how you came to your conclusion. Was it simply a matter of weighing cost and time or were there other factors? I'm not looking to do this for speed of result or cost efficiency. I recognize that an inherent third in the iron triangle is quality which ideally I'd like to preserve, but if for learning purposes that is sacrificed I'm willing to do, to a point. Plating in my mind is not irreparable, as say major woodworking, so I see no harm picking my 2/3 in learning how a good job is done. That's how I approach this hobby (as well as all my others). My research and appreciation of the invention, innovation, and evolution of phonographs includes exploring the mechanics of their inner workings and the methods and processes of their manufacture and restoration. I know one can easily just order one's dinner made, but sometimes it's beneficial to learn how to cook, even if only to better appreciate a well prepared meal, at least for me. On 6/26/13 1:50 AM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: The easy way to get all of this plated is to ship it off to Steve Farmer. It will probably be both quicker and cheaper than the DIY boy chemist approach. On 06/25/2013 10:46 PM, Arvin Casas wrote: Yeah, color matching in the graphics design world as well as other industries is more complicated than most people understand. One man's gold is another man's trash, to reverse the cliché. Unfortunately I'm not aware of any system such as Pantone that can be applied to metal finishing - at least for lowly phono plebs. It would be great to match my tonearm to a standard, get its code and have a finish replicated for it chemically. I have seen other options via a few cursory and early searches, but my query to the group was in the hope that someone might have a recommendation based on experience, even if negative. Of course I'm always keen to experiment for the sake of continuing the knowledge of our hobby (as I know you know Ron from those funny posts of mine on MOCAPS- laughing at not with me - regarding my trying to grow cactus for needles here in MA). This last venture out into terra incognita however, was a little further into hostile territory than I normally prefer to endure. That's why I was hoping others out there might have had at least some cursory experience for me to explore further. A few pennies lost or in vain is one thing, I don't enjoy risking my person. Speaking of risks to health, are there any chemists out there who could chime in with any information on what to avoid? While I don't think we have a hall of martyrs for the preservation and restorations of things phonographic, I'd hate to be the one to inaugurate its building, lol. Arvin On 6/25/13 10:49 PM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: Seems to me Caswell sells/sold a real gold plate kit too. The problem with Gold, and nickel too, but not as bad, is that it is hard to match gold colors. A little difference in karat amount or a few different other chemicals and you have a different gold color, greener, yellower, whatever. Have you tried googling home electroplating kits or brush plating kits? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Arvin Casas Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 12:50 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Home Plating Recommendations? Hello All, I hope your summers have all started off well! I was wondering if any of you had any recommendations for home
Re: [Phono-L] Home Plating Recommendations?
experience for me to explore further. A few pennies lost or in vain is one thing, I don't enjoy risking my person. Speaking of risks to health, are there any chemists out there who could chime in with any information on what to avoid? While I don't think we have a hall of martyrs for the preservation and restorations of things phonographic, I'd hate to be the one to inaugurate its building, lol. Arvin On 6/25/13 10:49 PM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: Seems to me Caswell sells/sold a real gold plate kit too. The problem with Gold, and nickel too, but not as bad, is that it is hard to match gold colors. A little difference in karat amount or a few different other chemicals and you have a different gold color, greener, yellower, whatever. Have you tried googling home electroplating kits or brush plating kits? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Arvin Casas Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 12:50 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Home Plating Recommendations? Hello All, I hope your summers have all started off well! I was wondering if any of you had any recommendations for home plating? (No, that is not some variation on getting on base on a first date, but in regards to metal plate finishing as can be done at home.) Always the willing guinea pig for our hobby, I tried the Caswell Plug N' Plate system and had some success with their Nickel product, but only so-so success with their faux Gold. (When I tried contacting their customer service to troubleshoot, the owner came off as a bit emotionally incendiary in his replies to a newbie, so I decided it's not worth me continuing to experiment or use their products.) Are there any other possible approaches or solutions? I have a few gold plated pieces that have suffered some damage over the years prior to my coming into them, and I was hoping, short of sending them out (which I believe is priced per pound), to see if there was something I could try at home on the few pieces that I have that need restoration / preservation. I recall reading about home-brewed tank solutions (mixing gold chloride etc.,. using batteries), but can't recall where (or if they worked). Any recommendations? Thanks! Arvin ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Home Plating Recommendations?
). This last venture out into terra incognita however, was a little further into hostile territory than I normally prefer to endure. That's why I was hoping others out there might have had at least some cursory experience for me to explore further. A few pennies lost or in vain is one thing, I don't enjoy risking my person. Speaking of risks to health, are there any chemists out there who could chime in with any information on what to avoid? While I don't think we have a hall of martyrs for the preservation and restorations of things phonographic, I'd hate to be the one to inaugurate its building, lol. Arvin On 6/25/13 10:49 PM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: Seems to me Caswell sells/sold a real gold plate kit too. The problem with Gold, and nickel too, but not as bad, is that it is hard to match gold colors. A little difference in karat amount or a few different other chemicals and you have a different gold color, greener, yellower, whatever. Have you tried googling home electroplating kits or brush plating kits? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Arvin Casas Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 12:50 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Home Plating Recommendations? Hello All, I hope your summers have all started off well! I was wondering if any of you had any recommendations for home plating? (No, that is not some variation on getting on base on a first date, but in regards to metal plate finishing as can be done at home.) Always the willing guinea pig for our hobby, I tried the Caswell Plug N' Plate system and had some success with their Nickel product, but only so-so success with their faux Gold. (When I tried contacting their customer service to troubleshoot, the owner came off as a bit emotionally incendiary in his replies to a newbie, so I decided it's not worth me continuing to experiment or use their products.) Are there any other possible approaches or solutions? I have a few gold plated pieces that have suffered some damage over the years prior to my coming into them, and I was hoping, short of sending them out (which I believe is priced per pound), to see if there was something I could try at home on the few pieces that I have that need restoration / preservation. I recall reading about home-brewed tank solutions (mixing gold chloride etc.,. using batteries), but can't recall where (or if they worked). Any recommendations? Thanks! Arvin ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Home Plating Recommendations?
Hello All, I hope your summers have all started off well! I was wondering if any of you had any recommendations for home plating? (No, that is not some variation on getting on base on a first date, but in regards to metal plate finishing as can be done at home.) Always the willing guinea pig for our hobby, I tried the Caswell Plug N' Plate system and had some success with their Nickel product, but only so-so success with their faux Gold. (When I tried contacting their customer service to troubleshoot, the owner came off as a bit emotionally incendiary in his replies to a newbie, so I decided it's not worth me continuing to experiment or use their products.) Are there any other possible approaches or solutions? I have a few gold plated pieces that have suffered some damage over the years prior to my coming into them, and I was hoping, short of sending them out (which I believe is priced per pound), to see if there was something I could try at home on the few pieces that I have that need restoration / preservation. I recall reading about home-brewed tank solutions (mixing gold chloride etc.,. using batteries), but can't recall where (or if they worked). Any recommendations? Thanks! Arvin ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Home Plating Recommendations?
Seems to me Caswell sells/sold a real gold plate kit too. The problem with Gold, and nickel too, but not as bad, is that it is hard to match gold colors. A little difference in karat amount or a few different other chemicals and you have a different gold color, greener, yellower, whatever. Have you tried googling home electroplating kits or brush plating kits? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Arvin Casas Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 12:50 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Home Plating Recommendations? Hello All, I hope your summers have all started off well! I was wondering if any of you had any recommendations for home plating? (No, that is not some variation on getting on base on a first date, but in regards to metal plate finishing as can be done at home.) Always the willing guinea pig for our hobby, I tried the Caswell Plug N' Plate system and had some success with their Nickel product, but only so-so success with their faux Gold. (When I tried contacting their customer service to troubleshoot, the owner came off as a bit emotionally incendiary in his replies to a newbie, so I decided it's not worth me continuing to experiment or use their products.) Are there any other possible approaches or solutions? I have a few gold plated pieces that have suffered some damage over the years prior to my coming into them, and I was hoping, short of sending them out (which I believe is priced per pound), to see if there was something I could try at home on the few pieces that I have that need restoration / preservation. I recall reading about home-brewed tank solutions (mixing gold chloride etc.,. using batteries), but can't recall where (or if they worked). Any recommendations? Thanks! Arvin ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Home Plating Recommendations?
Yeah, color matching in the graphics design world as well as other industries is more complicated than most people understand. One man's gold is another man's trash, to reverse the cliché. Unfortunately I'm not aware of any system such as Pantone that can be applied to metal finishing - at least for lowly phono plebs. It would be great to match my tonearm to a standard, get its code and have a finish replicated for it chemically. I have seen other options via a few cursory and early searches, but my query to the group was in the hope that someone might have a recommendation based on experience, even if negative. Of course I'm always keen to experiment for the sake of continuing the knowledge of our hobby (as I know you know Ron from those funny posts of mine on MOCAPS- laughing at not with me - regarding my trying to grow cactus for needles here in MA). This last venture out into terra incognita however, was a little further into hostile territory than I normally prefer to endure. That's why I was hoping others out there might have had at least some cursory experience for me to explore further. A few pennies lost or in vain is one thing, I don't enjoy risking my person. Speaking of risks to health, are there any chemists out there who could chime in with any information on what to avoid? While I don't think we have a hall of martyrs for the preservation and restorations of things phonographic, I'd hate to be the one to inaugurate its building, lol. Arvin On 6/25/13 10:49 PM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: Seems to me Caswell sells/sold a real gold plate kit too. The problem with Gold, and nickel too, but not as bad, is that it is hard to match gold colors. A little difference in karat amount or a few different other chemicals and you have a different gold color, greener, yellower, whatever. Have you tried googling home electroplating kits or brush plating kits? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Arvin Casas Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 12:50 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Home Plating Recommendations? Hello All, I hope your summers have all started off well! I was wondering if any of you had any recommendations for home plating? (No, that is not some variation on getting on base on a first date, but in regards to metal plate finishing as can be done at home.) Always the willing guinea pig for our hobby, I tried the Caswell Plug N' Plate system and had some success with their Nickel product, but only so-so success with their faux Gold. (When I tried contacting their customer service to troubleshoot, the owner came off as a bit emotionally incendiary in his replies to a newbie, so I decided it's not worth me continuing to experiment or use their products.) Are there any other possible approaches or solutions? I have a few gold plated pieces that have suffered some damage over the years prior to my coming into them, and I was hoping, short of sending them out (which I believe is priced per pound), to see if there was something I could try at home on the few pieces that I have that need restoration / preservation. I recall reading about home-brewed tank solutions (mixing gold chloride etc.,. using batteries), but can't recall where (or if they worked). Any recommendations? Thanks! Arvin ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
