[Phono-L] Moldy wax records; other records
Thanks! That's the answer that I needed. I didn't really want to trash them...they're so old, some with titles which say so much about the era. :) I would really hope that someday someone would figure out how to salvage the content! I have about 100 of them without boxes which are definitely moldy: streaky, white stains, etc. I have maybe 200 more with boxes which I haven't really checked yet; some boxes and records match (just from peeking inside at the tops). Most are EGM. The boxes are of various types, mostly tan; at least one is foreign. There are a few dozen green boxes, Amberols, and a few Amberols without boxes which look better. I'm guessing that these are the harder black wax ones?? **What about BLUE AMBEROLS? Most of mine have no boxes, but look good. There must be about 300 or so. **I've also got a black suitcase fitted and numbered for 48 records (padded, with cones for records, but no boxes). I'm guessing that that must have been a salesman's case? **I've also got a paperboard box bottom (only) fitted for 12 records (waxes are in there now on paper cones), which is black, and has an old big white label on the end with lines to list the records. Would that have been one way they were shipped to stores? With no boxes?? Have I got records, or what? LOL Thanks, Ger ger55 on ebay; ge...@comcast.net Victorian Glass Plus! http://www.tias.com/stores/vgpp http://groups.yahoo.com/group/glass_antique_and_old/ - Original Message - From: Rich To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Moldy wax records You put a group of 6 up on eBay and clearly state that they will not play - moldy! They will sell. If there are boxes people will buy the records for the boxes. Just do not trash them! ger wrote: What does one do with moldy wax records? Throw them away? Or save them for the interesting titles, with hopes that someday someone will figure out how to fix them? :) From d...@old-phonographs.com Sat Mar 15 15:21:32 2008 From: d...@old-phonographs.com (Daniel Melvin) Date: Sat Mar 15 15:21:54 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Phonograph Story To Be on NPR In-Reply-To: 037301c886db$d93c32e0$6401a...@tonyandjose References: dd9d7c57890542e1b8cb89039a7ed...@glastrispc 037301c886db$d93c32e0$6401a...@tonyandjose Message-ID: eb759a1b1bd24c2591f2fd449f942...@danpc NPR streams their radio programs. You should be able to listen online. Chekout http://www.npr.org. Dan - Original Message - From: Mario Frazzetto mari...@optusnet.com.au To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phonograph Story To Be on NPR Hi George, What about us overseas collectors, how can we hear the story??? Mario - Original Message - From: George Glastris glast...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 6:45 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Phonograph Story To Be on NPR To all on the list, I will be telling a story likely to send shivers down the spine of all phonograph collectors. It will be on Monday from 2PM Eastern time on the NPR show called The Story. If you need to find a station or website to tune in to here is a link http://thestory.org/Stations All the best, George ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1329 - Release Date: 14/03/2008 12:33 PM ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Moldy wax records; other records
If I'm not mistaken, I believe the paperboard boxes with spindles came first before the big 48 numbered suitcase style box also with spindles. I believe the paperboard box was supplied to the customer who purchaed the early cylinder records which were sold with a record slip. The Record slip contained a circular section containing the name of the song and artist and the customer was encouraged to cut this out of the record slip and paste it onto the top of the cardboard spindles in the box so the record could then be easily identified. I believe the numbered suitcase style box came later, after cylinder records were made with the name of the selection and the artist and record number embossed or stamped around the top edge of the cylinder. I have a very unique double sided spindled suitcase style cylinder storage container that can hold up to 72 Cylinder Records, 36 on each side. Bruce - Original Message - From: ger ge...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Moldy wax records; other records **I've also got a black suitcase fitted and numbered for 48 records (padded, with cones for records, but no boxes). I'm guessing that that must have been a salesman's case? **I've also got a paperboard box bottom (only) fitted for 12 records (waxes are in there now on paper cones), which is black, and has an old big white label on the end with lines to list the records. Would that have been one way they were shipped to stores? With no boxes?? Have I got records, or what? LOL Thanks, Ger ger55 on ebay; ge...@comcast.net Victorian Glass Plus! http://www.tias.com/stores/vgpp http://groups.yahoo.com/group/glass_antique_and_old/ - Original Message - From: Rich To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Moldy wax records You put a group of 6 up on eBay and clearly state that they will not play - moldy! They will sell. If there are boxes people will buy the records for the boxes. Just do not trash them! ger wrote: What does one do with moldy wax records? Throw them away? Or save them for the interesting titles, with hopes that someday someone will figure out how to fix them? :) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Moldy wax records
You can shave the black wax records if you treat them with a softening solvent. On Mar 12, 2008, at 10:57 AM, Peter Fraser wrote: no, you can't shave and record on black wax, only brown. On Mar 12, 2008, at 6:24 AM, Ron L wrote: You can't fix them since the mold has eaten away the sound information. However, they can be shaved and used for blanks to re-record. I only do this if they are completely unintelligible. I sometimes digitize what I can here before I shave them. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org ] On Behalf Of ger Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 4:53 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Moldy wax records What does one do with moldy wax records? Throw them away? Or save them for the interesting titles, with hopes that someday someone will figure out how to fix them? :) Thanks, Ger ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Moldy wax records
What I've been told is that there are small voids or bubbles in black wax, which causes crackle. Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Mar 12, 2008, at 8:55 AM, Ron L lhera...@bu.edu wrote: Ah, yes, Black wax is another story. For some reason, I was just thinking about brown wax. I've heard that you can erase a black wax cylinder with paint thinner on a rag but I have not tried it and have not tried making a new recording on such a surface. Ron -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org ] On Behalf Of Peter Fraser Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:58 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Moldy wax records no, you can't shave and record on black wax, only brown. On Mar 12, 2008, at 6:24 AM, Ron L wrote: You can't fix them since the mold has eaten away the sound information. However, they can be shaved and used for blanks to re-record. I only do this if they are completely unintelligible. I sometimes digitize what I can here before I shave them. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org ] On Behalf Of ger Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 4:53 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Moldy wax records What does one do with moldy wax records? Throw them away? Or save them for the interesting titles, with hopes that someday someone will figure out how to fix them? :) Thanks, Ger ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From deedeebl...@yahoo.com Wed Mar 12 10:15:23 2008 From: deedeebl...@yahoo.com (DeeDee Blais) Date: Wed Mar 12 10:19:38 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Early Collectors Message-ID: 442621.39960...@web37013.mail.mud.yahoo.com I'm sorry to hear that we lost Ken Blazier and Del Hahn. I had the good fortune to get acquainted with both of them from attending the early CAPS shows in the 80's. I was invited to both their homes and enjoyed seeing their collections. Both had fine collections but I was totally amazed to see two consecutively numbered Edison Operas in Ken's collection. Wow! Jerry Blais Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From deedeebl...@yahoo.com Wed Mar 12 10:37:19 2008 From: deedeebl...@yahoo.com (DeeDee Blais) Date: Wed Mar 12 10:37:36 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Shameless Plug for MAPS and CAPS! Message-ID: 474524.21895...@web37003.mail.mud.yahoo.com I hope everyone in phono-l is a member of CAPS and MAPS. They are both wonderful clubs that promote and inform our hobby. Please contact: Michigan Antique Phonograph Society 60 Central Street Battle Creek, Michigan 49017 (Dues are only $25 and include the monthly newsletter.) California Antique Phonograph Society PO Box 169 Victorville, California 92393 (Dues are only $25 and include a wonderful quarterly newsletter) I can't say enough good things about both clubs and would encourage membership in both. I'm pleased to see that fellow phono-l member George Paul is Vice President of CAPS. Jerry Blais Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From a...@popyrus.com Wed Mar 12 10:50:49 2008 From: a...@popyrus.com (Andrew Baron) Date: Wed Mar 12 10:52:53 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Moldy wax records In-Reply-To: 47ce62c6-7335-4246-aa7a-794fde46c...@tampabay.rr.com References: 002a01c8841e$818d8540$6c9fe...@ger1 002301c88444$74811bc0$90d42...@ad.bu.edu d5705e94-253e-478d-845f-aa0eb1abe...@alamedanet.net 47ce62c6-7335-4246-aa7a-794fde46c...@tampabay.rr.com Message-ID: d5c53365-f5c4-4863-8a1f-36cbe0865...@popyrus.com What are the best solvents for this? Andy On Mar 12, 2008, at 9:35 AM, Steve Andersen wrote: You can shave the black wax records if you treat them with a softening solvent. On Mar 12, 2008, at 10:57 AM, Peter Fraser wrote: no, you can't shave and record on black wax, only brown. On Mar 12, 2008, at 6:24 AM, Ron L wrote: You can't fix them since the mold has eaten away the sound information. However, they can be shaved and used for blanks to re-record. I only do this if they are completely unintelligible. I sometimes digitize what I can here before I shave them. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Moldy wax records
Heat softens the entire cylinder and does not make a mess. Steve Andersen wrote: I have not done this is many of years but I think I used turpentine. If you use the solvent with a rag (messy) you don't have to shave them. Sound quality won't be nearly as good on the black cylinders as with the brown cylinders because your recording on a harder wax cylinder. On Mar 12, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Andrew Baron wrote: What are the best solvents for this? Andy On Mar 12, 2008, at 9:35 AM, Steve Andersen wrote: You can shave the black wax records if you treat them with a softening solvent. On Mar 12, 2008, at 10:57 AM, Peter Fraser wrote: no, you can't shave and record on black wax, only brown. On Mar 12, 2008, at 6:24 AM, Ron L wrote: You can't fix them since the mold has eaten away the sound information. However, they can be shaved and used for blanks to re-record. I only do this if they are completely unintelligible. I sometimes digitize what I can here before I shave them. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of ger Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 4:53 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Moldy wax records What does one do with moldy wax records? Throw them away? Or save them for the interesting titles, with hopes that someday someone will figure out how to fix them? :) Thanks, Ger ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From cen...@comcast.net Wed Mar 12 12:12:07 2008 From: cen...@comcast.net (Albert) Date: Wed Mar 12 12:14:01 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Shameless Plug for MAPS and CAPS! References: 474524.21895...@web37003.mail.mud.yahoo.com Message-ID: 000c01c88474$f826e330$7501a...@albert And don' forget OTAPS (The Oregon Trail Antique Phonograph Society) The premier group for phonograph collectors from the Pacific Northwest.. - Original Message - From: DeeDee Blais deedeebl...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:37 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Shameless Plug for MAPS and CAPS! I hope everyone in phono-l is a member of CAPS and MAPS. They are both wonderful clubs that promote and inform our hobby. Please contact: Michigan Antique Phonograph Society 60 Central Street Battle Creek, Michigan 49017 (Dues are only $25 and include the monthly newsletter.) California Antique Phonograph Society PO Box 169 Victorville, California 92393 (Dues are only $25 and include a wonderful quarterly newsletter) I can't say enough good things about both clubs and would encourage membership in both. I'm pleased to see that fellow phono-l member George Paul is Vice President of CAPS. Jerry Blais Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
