Re: [Phono-L] Puck Machines
Nuremburg would be a good bet since it was the center of the German toy industry. This would be interesting to research. Dave --- On Mon, 1/17/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Puck Machines To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 9:40 PM Would they have been made in Nuremburg? Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:31:41 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Puck Machines The Puck machines were made in Germany, starting with the original lyric design in 1901 and going on to 1914. They were most often giveaways. The Kastenpucks came along in 1903 and lasted til 1914. They're not often seen here. There were lots sold in England, and American Graphophone imported them at one time. John --- On Mon, 1/17/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: [Phono-L] Puck Machines To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 6:22 PM I am sure that someone out there has some knowledge of Puck machines. I bought one a few years ago that has a bedplate that looks like a bluebird or songbird of some type sitting on a vine. It is built into a wooden case, so I believe that it's called a Kastenpuck or cabinet puck. The real question is where it was made and when? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Puck Machines
Thanks for the info, Tim. Mine is nickel plated and in an unusually nicely crafted box. How scarce/valuable are these songbirds? Curt To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 23:16:33 -0500 From: phonop...@aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Puck Machines John is quite correct in his notes about Pucks. They were made in a number of factories in Germany, but I'm quite convinced they were also produced in France. French Pucks (such as the Lion-head Pucks) have silver-painted bases, something that distinguishes them. Except for Georges Carette (a German firm), the companies that made Pucks did not mark them in any way to identify the maker. Therefore, it's difficult to say exactly how many makers there were. The song bird casting that was mentioned came in at least two styles -- nickel-plated and vividly painted in bright colors. If that particular Kastenpuck follows the pattern of other Pucks, it might also have been sold with simple gold paint, or another solid color, on the base. It was common to offer Pucks in several grades, with nickel-plating being the most expensive, and predictably seldom seen. Best to all, Tim Fabrizio ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Puck Machines
Curt, regarding the rarity of the song bird, it's difficult to precisely express. Kastenpucks are not frequently seen in the first place, but the song bird is one of the more common Kastenpucks. So, I guess you could say it's rare, but not rare for a Kastenpuck. How's that for hedging my bets?! Cheers all, TF -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, Jan 18, 2011 9:11 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Puck Machines Thanks for the info, Tim. Mine is nickel plated and in an unusually nicely crafted box. How scarce/valuable are these songbirds? Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Puck Machines
In a message dated 1/17/2011 9:32:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, john9...@pacbell.net writes: The Puck machines were made in Germany, starting with the original lyric design in 1901 -- Doesn't the Lyre-style Puck base go back to 1897-1898 (Bettini in the US and Bahre/Bolle in Germany)? Allen ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Puck Machines
What Allen is referring to is that Gianni Bettini, famous for his high-class recordings and Micro-Phonograph attachments is credited with dreaming up the Puck. There's an article concerning this I'm sure he can direct interested readers to. The very first Pucks, with lyre base, employed wooden mandrels and a reproducer that was the virtual spit-and-image of the Columbia gutta percha floater from the 90s. The horn was one with a straight flare, very 90s looking. It is likely these very early machines were introduced prior to the turn of the 20th century -- though we must remember that imitations of outdated American products persisted in Europe because they were considered good models from which to draw copies. Hence the presence of a copy of a gutta percha reproducer does not necessarily indicate a date in the 1897 period, when the.technology was current in the USA. Cheers, Tim F. -Original Message- From: allena...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tue, Jan 18, 2011 2:30 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Puck Machines In a message dated 1/17/2011 9:32:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, john9...@pacbell.net writes: The Puck machines were made in Germany, starting with the original lyric design in 1901 -- Doesn't the Lyre-style Puck base go back to 1897-1898 (Bettini in the US and Bahre/Bolle in Germany)? Allen ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Puck Machines
I am sure that someone out there has some knowledge of Puck machines. I bought one a few years ago that has a bedplate that looks like a bluebird or songbird of some type sitting on a vine. It is built into a wooden case, so I believe that it's called a Kastenpuck or cabinet puck. The real question is where it was made and when? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Puck Machines
The Puck machines were made in Germany, starting with the original lyric design in 1901 and going on to 1914. They were most often giveaways. The Kastenpucks came along in 1903 and lasted til 1914. They're not often seen here. There were lots sold in England, and American Graphophone imported them at one time. John --- On Mon, 1/17/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: [Phono-L] Puck Machines To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 6:22 PM I am sure that someone out there has some knowledge of Puck machines. I bought one a few years ago that has a bedplate that looks like a bluebird or songbird of some type sitting on a vine. It is built into a wooden case, so I believe that it's called a Kastenpuck or cabinet puck. The real question is where it was made and when? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Puck Machines
Would they have been made in Nuremburg? Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:31:41 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Puck Machines The Puck machines were made in Germany, starting with the original lyric design in 1901 and going on to 1914. They were most often giveaways. The Kastenpucks came along in 1903 and lasted til 1914. They're not often seen here. There were lots sold in England, and American Graphophone imported them at one time. John --- On Mon, 1/17/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: [Phono-L] Puck Machines To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 6:22 PM I am sure that someone out there has some knowledge of Puck machines. I bought one a few years ago that has a bedplate that looks like a bluebird or songbird of some type sitting on a vine. It is built into a wooden case, so I believe that it's called a Kastenpuck or cabinet puck. The real question is where it was made and when? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Puck Machines
Not sure..maybe Leipzig or one of the other musical/industrial places. -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:40:09 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Puck Machines Would they have been made in Nuremburg? Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:31:41 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Puck Machines The Puck machines were made in Germany, starting with the original lyric design in 1901 and going on to 1914. They were most often giveaways. The Kastenpucks came along in 1903 and lasted til 1914. They're not often seen here. There were lots sold in England, and American Graphophone imported them at one time. John --- On Mon, 1/17/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: [Phono-L] Puck Machines To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 6:22 PM I am sure that someone out there has some knowledge of Puck machines. I bought one a few years ago that has a bedplate that looks like a bluebird or songbird of some type sitting on a vine. It is built into a wooden case, so I believe that it's called a Kastenpuck or cabinet puck. The real question is where it was made and when? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Puck Machines
Not sure..maybe Leipzig or one of the other musical/industrial places. -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:40:09 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Puck Machines Would they have been made in Nuremburg? Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:31:41 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Puck Machines The Puck machines were made in Germany, starting with the original lyric design in 1901 and going on to 1914. They were most often giveaways. The Kastenpucks came along in 1903 and lasted til 1914. They're not often seen here. There were lots sold in England, and American Graphophone imported them at one time. John --- On Mon, 1/17/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: [Phono-L] Puck Machines To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 6:22 PM I am sure that someone out there has some knowledge of Puck machines. I bought one a few years ago that has a bedplate that looks like a bluebird or songbird of some type sitting on a vine. It is built into a wooden case, so I believe that it's called a Kastenpuck or cabinet puck. The real question is where it was made and when? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Puck Machines
Not sure..maybe Leipzig or one of the other musical/industrial places. -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:40:09 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Puck Machines Would they have been made in Nuremburg? Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:31:41 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Puck Machines The Puck machines were made in Germany, starting with the original lyric design in 1901 and going on to 1914. They were most often giveaways. The Kastenpucks came along in 1903 and lasted til 1914. They're not often seen here. There were lots sold in England, and American Graphophone imported them at one time. John --- On Mon, 1/17/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: [Phono-L] Puck Machines To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 6:22 PM I am sure that someone out there has some knowledge of Puck machines. I bought one a few years ago that has a bedplate that looks like a bluebird or songbird of some type sitting on a vine. It is built into a wooden case, so I believe that it's called a Kastenpuck or cabinet puck. The real question is where it was made and when? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Puck Machines
John is quite correct in his notes about Pucks. They were made in a number of factories in Germany, but I'm quite convinced they were also produced in France. French Pucks (such as the Lion-head Pucks) have silver-painted bases, something that distinguishes them. Except for Georges Carette (a German firm), the companies that made Pucks did not mark them in any way to identify the maker. Therefore, it's difficult to say exactly how many makers there were. The song bird casting that was mentioned came in at least two styles -- nickel-plated and vividly painted in bright colors. If that particular Kastenpuck follows the pattern of other Pucks, it might also have been sold with simple gold paint, or another solid color, on the base. It was common to offer Pucks in several grades, with nickel-plating being the most expensive, and predictably seldom seen. Best to all, Tim Fabrizio ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
