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For 17 years I produced hosted a 90 minute radio program, Immortal Performances taken from the name of my used record shop, of classical 78rpm records, plus a few cylinders diamond discs, for the local classical music FM station at that time had the means of playing these vintage records adequately, a Shure elliptical 78rpm styli for my Shure V15 Type II cartridge truncated styli, Pathe sapphire ball styli that also played 2 minute cylinders well Edison diamond disc styli (to fit a Shure M55E cartridge) obtained from International Observatory Instruments (if I recall correctly) in Tennessee. Now, many years later, most of these styli are damaged or lost I need to obtain new styli for playing various vintage 78s, Edison diamond discs both 2 4 minute cylinders.Can anyone recommend a current source of such replacement styli for Shure V15Type II, M78S M55E cartridges?I am contemplating the production of CD reissues of vintage classical records w ish to obtain the best possible sound from the grooves. Any help with this matter will be much appreciated! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. 1404 West 30th Street Austin, Texas 78703-1402 jim...@earthlink.net ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Most audiofiles use TE styli made by the Expert Stylus Company in England. This is the only company known to make the type of styli you speak about. Kurt Nauck sells this TE styli for expert Styli here in the states for which I have purchased and very pleased with. However, I do believe the TE styli are sold for the Stanton cartridge whcih seems to be favored by most record collectors. You may need to ask Expert Styli or Kurt whether they can acomodate at TE styli for a Shure cartridge. -Original Message- From: jim...@earthlink.net jim...@earthlink.net To: Phono-L@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, May 20, 2010 1:00 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Styli For 17 years I produced hosted a 90 minute radio program, Immortal erformances taken from the name of my used record shop, of classical 78rpm ecords, plus a few cylinders diamond discs, for the local classical music FM tation at that time had the means of playing these vintage records dequately, a Shure elliptical 78rpm styli for my Shure V15 Type II cartridge runcated styli, Pathe sapphire ball styli that also played 2 minute cylinders ell Edison diamond disc styli (to fit a Shure M55E cartridge) obtained from nternational Observatory Instruments (if I recall correctly) in Tennessee. ow, many years later, most of these styli are damaged or lost I need to btain new styli for playing various vintage 78s, Edison diamond discs both 2 4 minute cylinders.Can anyone recommend a current source of such eplacement styli for Shure V15Type II, M78S M55E cartridges?I am ontemplating the production of CD reissues of vintage classical records w ish to obtain the best possible sound from the grooves. Any help with this atter will be much appreciated! Jim Cartwright mmortal Performances, Inc. 404 West 30th Street ustin, Texas 78703-1402 im...@earthlink.net __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Hi Jim ~ Do you have the stylus numbers for these cartridges? Here's a link to an active eBay sale for an Ed Saunders V15II stylus, with a BIN of $50.00: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=190368716487 Andy Baron Santa Fe On May 20, 2010, at 11:00 AM, jim...@earthlink.net wrote: For 17 years I produced hosted a 90 minute radio program, Immortal Performances taken from the name of my used record shop, of classical 78rpm records, plus a few cylinders diamond discs, for the local classical music FM station at that time had the means of playing these vintage records adequately, a Shure elliptical 78rpm styli for my Shure V15 Type II cartridge truncated styli, Pathe sapphire ball styli that also played 2 minute cylinders well Edison diamond disc styli (to fit a Shure M55E cartridge) obtained from International Observatory Instruments (if I recall correctly) in Tennessee. Now, many years later, most of these styli are damaged or lost I need to obtain new styli for playing various vintage 78s, Edison diamond discs both 2 4 minute cylinders.Can anyone recommend a current source of such replacement styli for Shure V15Type II, M78S M55E cartridges?I am contemplating the production of CD reissues of vintage classical records w ish to obtain the best possible sound from the grooves. Any help with this matter will be much appreciated! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. 1404 West 30th Street Austin, Texas 78703-1402 jim...@earthlink.net ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Glad to hear that Esoteric Sound had what you needed. Jim Nichol On Jul 17, 2008, at 2:35 PM, jimcip at earthlink.net wrote: Dear Mr. Nichols: Thanks for the information on Esoteric Sound - I just placed an order with them for a cartridge several diamond styli of various dimensions plus a sapphire ball stylus to play vertical-cut Pathe records ( probably two-minute cylinders also). All the best... Very truly yours, Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances jimcip at earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. [Original Message] From: Jim Nichol jnichol at fuse.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: 16-Jul-2008 3:26:44 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Styli Esoteric Sound near Chicago sells turntables and styli that will play virtually any disc, including Edison and Pathe. I bought one of their machines years ago with plenty of styli. Kurt Nauck also sells their turntables. http://www.esotericsound.com/ Jim Nichol On Jul 16, 2008, at 1:29 PM, jimcip at earthlink.net wrote: Dear Mr. Wright: Thanks for responding to my query as to how to reach Mr. Sage.I finally went to his web site the address of which you had kindly me learned how to send an e-mail to Mr. Sage have done so but not yet received a reply. My question is where can I order cantilevers with custom ground styli to play vertical-cut Pathe discs, 2 4 minute cylinders Edison Diamond Discs optimally with Shure cartridges through modern electronic audio equipment?I need contact information for anyone who can provide such. Thanks again all good wishes... Very truly yours, Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances jimcip at earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You.
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Dear Mr. Wright: Thanks for responding to my query as to how to reach Mr. Sage.I finally went to his web site the address of which you had kindly me learned how to send an e-mail to Mr. Sage have done so but not yet received a reply. My question is where can I order cantilevers with custom ground styli to play vertical-cut Pathe discs, 2 4 minute cylinders Edison Diamond Discs optimally with Shure cartridges through modern electronic audio equipment?I need contact information for anyone who can provide such. Thanks again all good wishes... Very truly yours, Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances jimcip at earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. [Original Message] From: Robert Wright esroberto at hotmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: 15-Jul-2008 3:02:55 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Styli www.tinfoil.com is Glenn's website. His email address, as listed on the site, is glenn at tinfoil.com. Although I am consistently impressed with the sound of his early brown wax transfers, I'd be surprised if he had more information to offer than the message Greg Bogantz posted today. Best Regards, Robert - Original Message - From: jimcip at earthlink.net Dear Mr. Wright: I tried to send an :e-mail message to Glen Sage at the address you gave (www.tinfoil.com) but this address was rejected as invalid. Is there another address I should try to use to contact Mr. Sage? Thanks all good wishes... Very truly yours, Jim Cartwright ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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If you want to go that route, I think you'll probably have to go with Expert Stylus in England. It'll be expensive. Anyone out there have their contact info handy? Best, Robert - Original Message - From: jim...@earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Styli Dear Mr. Wright: Thanks for responding to my query as to how to reach Mr. Sage.I finally went to his web site the address of which you had kindly me learned how to send an e-mail to Mr. Sage have done so but not yet received a reply. My question is where can I order cantilevers with custom ground styli to play vertical-cut Pathe discs, 2 4 minute cylinders Edison Diamond Discs optimally with Shure cartridges through modern electronic audio equipment?I need contact information for anyone who can provide such. Thanks again all good wishes... Very truly yours, Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances
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Esoteric Sound near Chicago sells turntables and styli that will play virtually any disc, including Edison and Pathe. I bought one of their machines years ago with plenty of styli. Kurt Nauck also sells their turntables. http://www.esotericsound.com/ Jim Nichol On Jul 16, 2008, at 1:29 PM, jimcip at earthlink.net wrote: Dear Mr. Wright: Thanks for responding to my query as to how to reach Mr. Sage.I finally went to his web site the address of which you had kindly me learned how to send an e-mail to Mr. Sage have done so but not yet received a reply. My question is where can I order cantilevers with custom ground styli to play vertical-cut Pathe discs, 2 4 minute cylinders Edison Diamond Discs optimally with Shure cartridges through modern electronic audio equipment?I need contact information for anyone who can provide such. Thanks again all good wishes... Very truly yours, Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances jimcip at earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You.
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Hi Jim/All, Thanks for sharing this link. I am looking for some technical advice. Although my collecting interests are pretty much aligned with the machine side of the hobby I recently came into ownership of a nice stack of late electrically recorded Edison DDs and some other scarce earlier DDs. I have no problems of conscience playing these on my everyday machines, but I wanted to get a decent combination of turntable/cartridge/styluses to be able to critically review and hopefully archive Edison DDs and Victor (VEs especially) records. I have used some relatively modern turntables with modified wiring of stereo cartridges to enable using DDs, and they sound okay, but I have to admit that what I have messed with along those lines so far really amounts to just messing around. Can you or someone else give me a specific recommendation of a manufacturer/model/configuration that be a good setup? I can certainly look at the information and evaluate the products myself, but I've found that the learned experience of others generally far outweighs going it on my own. Oh yeah...and it has to cost under 25 bucksLOL... Walt Walt Sommers Gettysburg Antique Phonographs 2594 Old Route 30 Orrtanna, PA 17353 walt at victrolaguy.com 717-334-0862 -Original Message- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Jim Nichol Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 4:26 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Styli Esoteric Sound near Chicago sells turntables and styli that will play virtually any disc, including Edison and Pathe. I bought one of their machines years ago with plenty of styli. Kurt Nauck also sells their turntables. http://www.esotericsound.com/ Jim Nichol On Jul 16, 2008, at 1:29 PM, jimcip at earthlink.net wrote: Dear Mr. Wright: Thanks for responding to my query as to how to reach Mr. Sage.I finally went to his web site the address of which you had kindly me learned how to send an e-mail to Mr. Sage have done so but not yet received a reply. My question is where can I order cantilevers with custom ground styli to play vertical-cut Pathe discs, 2 4 minute cylinders Edison Diamond Discs optimally with Shure cartridges through modern electronic audio equipment?I need contact information for anyone who can provide such. Thanks again all good wishes... Very truly yours, Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances jimcip at earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.4.11/1554 - Release Date: 7/15/2008 6:03 PM
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Walt, Ya had me going until the $25 part! Even so, to be perfectly honest, even $25' worth of modern technology can get better-than-needed results out of DD's and VE's, as long as the wiring is right. Where I find the biggest difference in using expensive gear shows up is in the way that restoration software responds to surace/background noise; i.e., the better aligned the cartridge, the more silent the turntable/tonearm mechanisms, and the more meticulous the playback, the easier it is to lift the surface noise off the music, as restoration software wants background noise to be as consistent as possible. I've done Bernstein's late 40's performance of the 2nd movement from Ravel's Piano Concerto in G with CEDAR/Rega P25/Grado preamp, DCArt/Waves/Music Hall MMF-9/Graham Slee preamp, an ION USB turntable with supplied software (SoundSoap), just all kindsa stuff, and I think the most pleasing version I've done, I got with a mid-70's BSR 3-speed stacker turntable and some basic EQ filtering (and no thumbprint-based de-noising). So whatever you've used in the past almost certainly exceeds the dynamic and frequency ranges of DD's and VE's. I did spend $500 at www.kabusa.com for one of his 'tables that can handle 16 transcriptions, which I use along with KAB's Souvenir DRX Retro box (a switchbox for mono, vertical, L-mono, R-mono, or stereo configuration) and a Behringer tube EQ, and though it's not perfect (tonearm alignment isn't quite right on it), it does the job for casual or even critical listening pretty well. Best to all, Robert - Original Message - From: Walt waltsomm...@comcast.net To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Styli Hi Jim/All, Thanks for sharing this link. I am looking for some technical advice. Although my collecting interests are pretty much aligned with the machine side of the hobby I recently came into ownership of a nice stack of late electrically recorded Edison DDs and some other scarce earlier DDs. I have no problems of conscience playing these on my everyday machines, but I wanted to get a decent combination of turntable/cartridge/styluses to be able to critically review and hopefully archive Edison DDs and Victor (VEs especially) records. I have used some relatively modern turntables with modified wiring of stereo cartridges to enable using DDs, and they sound okay, but I have to admit that what I have messed with along those lines so far really amounts to just messing around. Can you or someone else give me a specific recommendation of a manufacturer/model/configuration that be a good setup? I can certainly look at the information and evaluate the products myself, but I've found that the learned experience of others generally far outweighs going it on my own. Oh yeah...and it has to cost under 25 bucksLOL... Walt Walt Sommers Gettysburg Antique Phonographs 2594 Old Route 30 Orrtanna, PA 17353 walt at victrolaguy.com 717-334-0862 -Original Message- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Jim Nichol Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 4:26 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Styli Esoteric Sound near Chicago sells turntables and styli that will play virtually any disc, including Edison and Pathe. I bought one of their machines years ago with plenty of styli. Kurt Nauck also sells their turntables. http://www.esotericsound.com/ Jim Nichol On Jul 16, 2008, at 1:29 PM, jimcip at earthlink.net wrote: Dear Mr. Wright: Thanks for responding to my query as to how to reach Mr. Sage.I finally went to his web site the address of which you had kindly me learned how to send an e-mail to Mr. Sage have done so but not yet received a reply. My question is where can I order cantilevers with custom ground styli to play vertical-cut Pathe discs, 2 4 minute cylinders Edison Diamond Discs optimally with Shure cartridges through modern electronic audio equipment?I need contact information for anyone who can provide such. Thanks again all good wishes... Very truly yours, Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances jimcip at earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.4.11/1554 - Release Date: 7/15/2008 6:03 PM ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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A friend has asked me to record electrically some of my vertical-cut Pathe records I also want to record electrically Edison Diamond Discs two four-minute cylinders.I have sophisticated equipment for playing 78s electrically (for 17 years I produced a weekly show for the local FM station of Classical 78s) including a Packburn Noise Suppressor which has switch for playing vertical-cut recordings but I need styluses to play Pathe, Diamond Discs, two four-minute cylinders (using a Rabco tangential tracking arm the mandrel motor from an Amberola 30) that will fit either a Shure M44 cartridge, Shure M78S cartridge or Shure Model V cartridge If any of you all have had experience in electrically-reproducing vertical-cut records of various types can advise me on sources for such styli I would greatly appreciate it. (I know of Expert Pickups in England but their prices are out of this world so I hope to find a more affordable source.0 Thanks! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances jimcip at earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You.
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I'm pretty sure a 3 mil stylus will work on the Edisons and probably will work on the Pathe verticals.An LP stylus will probably work on the cylinders. It certainly won't hurt either the cylinder or the stylus to try. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of jimcip at earthlink.net Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:40 PM To: Phono-L at oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Styli A friend has asked me to record electrically some of my vertical-cut Pathe records I also want to record electrically Edison Diamond Discs two four-minute cylinders.I have sophisticated equipment for playing 78s electrically (for 17 years I produced a weekly show for the local FM station of Classical 78s) including a Packburn Noise Suppressor which has switch for playing vertical-cut recordings but I need styluses to play Pathe, Diamond Discs, two four-minute cylinders (using a Rabco tangential tracking arm the mandrel motor from an Amberola 30) that will fit either a Shure M44 cartridge, Shure M78S cartridge or Shure Model V cartridge If any of you all have had experience in electrically-reproducing vertical-cut records of various types can advise me on sources for such styli I would greatly appreciate it. (I know of Expert Pickups in England but their prices are out of this world so I hope to find a more affordable source.0 Thanks! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances jimcip at earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Hi Jim! Kurt Nauck's assistent Brian told me years ago he uses an LP stylus for Pathe's, but when I'm doing restoration work, I get much better results using a 78 stylus. Ideally I'd use a sapphire ball mounted on a modern cartridges cantilever (tip mass be damned!), but like you said, Expert's prices are hard to swallow, even if the product is worth it. Modern LP stylii work great for Diamond Discs, and it would be safe to assume they'd fit 4M cylinder grooves as well. I can't speak intelligently about the width of 2M cylinder grooves. You might ask Glenn Sage of www.tinfoil.com what he uses. Please share with us whatever you find out! Best, Robert - Original Message - From: jim...@earthlink.net To: Phono-L at oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 12:40 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Styli A friend has asked me to record electrically some of my vertical-cut Pathe records I also want to record electrically Edison Diamond Discs two four-minute cylinders.I have sophisticated equipment for playing 78s electrically (for 17 years I produced a weekly show for the local FM station of Classical 78s) including a Packburn Noise Suppressor which has switch for playing vertical-cut recordings but I need styluses to play Pathe, Diamond Discs, two four-minute cylinders (using a Rabco tangential tracking arm the mandrel motor from an Amberola 30) that will fit either a Shure M44 cartridge, Shure M78S cartridge or Shure Model V cartridge If any of you all have had experience in electrically-reproducing vertical-cut records of various types can advise me on sources for such styli I would greatly appreciate it. (I know of Expert Pickups in England but their prices are out of this world so I hope to find a more affordable source.0 Thanks! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances jimcip at earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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The rule of thumb here is the same as that for playing lateral-cut records: Use whatever stylus size sounds the best. That's not a flippant remark. Depending on where the wear has been inflicted on the groove walls, you can use a non-standard stylus size to ride on an unworn portion of the groove and get better sound. This may mean you need to use a smaller one to ride lower in the groove or a larger one to ride higher in the groove, whatever gets around the worn portion better. And you never know when you begin on a particular record what stylus is going to sound the best until you try several of them. The case with vertical cut records is a little different because the wear is nearly always at the very bottom of the groove. In this case, you can get better playback if you use a very large diameter or a special truncated stylus to try to bridge the worn area, but it's a bit more difficult. For vertical records in good condition, you can use just about any size stylus you want, so long as you are using a low tracking force, say 2 grams or less, which is no problem for modern cartridges and tonearms. I tend to use a conventional LP stylus (0.7 to 1.0 mil radius) for starters when playing DDs or Pathes and it usually works pretty well. You have to adjust your anti-skating force on the tonearm pretty carefully to prevent skating or groove skipping, especially when playing the VERY shallow Pathe grooves. Likewise, an LP stylus should work well for playing celluloid 2 or 4 minute cylinders. Use of a smaller stylus tip will reduce tracing distortion and improve high frequency performance. However, I would advise that you use a large, original sized stylus when playing any wax cylinders, even with low tracking force. This would be about 3 mil for 4 minute and 6 mil for 2 minute. The wax is so soft that a sharper stylus will cut the wax even at 2 grams tracking force. The 3 mil styli are fairly easily obtained from several sources for the popular Shure and Stanton/Pickering cartridges. But you just about have to go to Expert Stylus in England to get a 6 mil size. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: jim...@earthlink.net To: Phono-L at oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:40 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Styli A friend has asked me to record electrically some of my vertical-cut Pathe records I also want to record electrically Edison Diamond Discs two four-minute cylinders.I have sophisticated equipment for playing 78s electrically (for 17 years I produced a weekly show for the local FM station of Classical 78s) including a Packburn Noise Suppressor which has switch for playing vertical-cut recordings but I need styluses to play Pathe, Diamond Discs, two four-minute cylinders (using a Rabco tangential tracking arm the mandrel motor from an Amberola 30) that will fit either a Shure M44 cartridge, Shure M78S cartridge or Shure Model V cartridge If any of you all have had experience in electrically-reproducing vertical-cut records of various types can advise me on sources for such styli I would greatly appreciate it. (I know of Expert Pickups in England but their prices are out of this world so I hope to find a more affordable source.0 Thanks! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances jimcip at earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Dear Mr. Wright: I tried to send an :e-mail message to Glen Sage at the address you gave (www.tinfoil.com) but this address was rejected as invalid. Is there another address I should try to use to contact Mr. Sage? Thanks all good wishes... Very truly yours, Jim Cartwright Immort al Performances jimcip at earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. [Original Message] From: Robert Wright esroberto at hotmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: 15-Jul-2008 12:59:56 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Styli Hi Jim! Kurt Nauck's assistent Brian told me years ago he uses an LP stylus for Pathe's, but when I'm doing restoration work, I get much better results using a 78 stylus. Ideally I'd use a sapphire ball mounted on a modern cartridges cantilever (tip mass be damned!), but like you said, Expert's prices are hard to swallow, even if the product is worth it. Modern LP stylii work great for Diamond Discs, and it would be safe to assume they'd fit 4M cylinder grooves as well. I can't speak intelligently about the width of 2M cylinder grooves. You might ask Glenn Sage of www.tinfoil.com what he uses. Please share with us whatever you find out! Best, Robert - Original Message - From: jimcip at earthlink.net To: Phono-L at oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 12:40 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Styli A friend has asked me to record electrically some of my vertical-cut Pathe records I also want to record electrically Edison Diamond Discs two four-minute cylinders.I have sophisticated equipment for playing 78s electrically (for 17 years I produced a weekly show for the local FM station of Classical 78s) including a Packburn Noise Suppressor which has switch for playing vertical-cut recordings but I need styluses to play Pathe, Diamond Discs, two four-minute cylinders (using a Rabco tangential tracking arm the mandrel motor from an Amberola 30) that will fit either a Shure M44 cartridge, Shure M78S cartridge or Shure Model V cartridge If any of you all have had experience in electrically-reproducing vertical-cut records of various types can advise me on sources for such styli I would greatly appreciate it. (I know of Expert Pickups in England but their prices are out of this world so I hope to find a more affordable source.0 Thanks! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances jimcip at earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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www.tinfoil.com is Glenn's website. His email address, as listed on the site, is glenn at tinfoil.com. Although I am consistently impressed with the sound of his early brown wax transfers, I'd be surprised if he had more information to offer than the message Greg Bogantz posted today. Best Regards, Robert - Original Message - From: jim...@earthlink.net Dear Mr. Wright: I tried to send an :e-mail message to Glen Sage at the address you gave (www.tinfoil.com) but this address was rejected as invalid. Is there another address I should try to use to contact Mr. Sage? Thanks all good wishes... Very truly yours, Jim Cartwright
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Greg said: Likewise, an LP stylus should work well for playing celluloid 2 or 4 minute cylinders. Use of a smaller stylus tip will reduce tracing distortion and improve high frequency performance.Steve says: I have soldered modern styli on ruined H bars and using my round weight N it produces an excellent sound. Bob Waltrip used modern styli on a diamond C that I have and again the sound is excellent. Until now I did not understand why it worked so well, but it is nice that my brain understands why my ears heard such great sound. I also used a modern stylus to repair an Autophone reproducer, again it worked very well.
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I play lots of records acoustically, and don't get black dust on the needle; I'd stop immediately, if so (not counting dirt, which is another story). If your needle is grinding BLACK out of the grooves every time, your machine is in serious need of repair. However, I do not play records with the standard pre-1925 Victrola equipment, which had a terrible tracking angle. That might be your problem. (Exhibition or Victrola No.2 - both are pretty stiff) By the way, that diamond needle on your Victrola is certain to destroy your records. As for Edison diamonds - they can become chipped without warning, and cut the heck out of your records. I've had to stop playing Blue Amberols, because I can't find a good diamond replacement. - Original Message - From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com Maybe this is the place to finally find out whether my thoughts on playing disc records on a phonograph are founded and based or just neurotic phobias. If the man is worried enough about quality playback to worry about stylus radii, why would anybody suggest he drag a 1-pound reproducer with what amounts to a headless finishing nail in it through the grooves?!
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And I'll only add another quick 2 cents I do transfers that end up on CD reissues from time to time. That's why I have the different new toys I have for playing back 78s (or 80s or 75s or 60-somethings like Berliners). In general, as my own rule, I have records I am more than happy to play on my machines, otherwise why bother having them, right? I too, have many that will never see a steel needle while I have them, only because they are either very rare and / or in mint condition. So for preservation sake, they don't get played acoustically. I keep all of my machines stocked with records that aren't very rare and should be played and enjoyed that way. I know not everybody agrees with the steel needle ever being used, but again, that's the fun to me. Also, I haven't found any black dust on needles either on any of my reproducers. My 10-50 gets played daily, some records have been tossed into that drawer hundreds of times and they aren't worn or ruined. Just to be on the safe side, I have started grabbing dupes of stuff I really enjoy listening to just in case! Sean - Original Message - From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Styli assistance, please Apologies to Merle! That's what I get for living in Nashville! *lol* Sorry about that. :-) , r. - Original Message - From: Dennis Back back...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Styli assistance, please --- Robert Wright wrote: ...I have a favorite Victrola...The soundbox is an Exhibition No. 2.No matter what needle I use, no matter what shape the record is in, there is black shellac dust built up on the needle after every play, without fail... Robert, I think you should try another soundbox, or maybe rebuild your No.2 and adjust it. I have reproducers that just kill records just like yours does. Other reproducers I have are very kind to records. Believe it or not, the soundbox that I play most of my everyday 78's on is on a CRAPOPHONE and with a Crapophone soundbox! No black shellac dust build-up. BTWMerle is not a he, but is a she, and she is the QUEEN OF LITTLE WONDER RECORDS, and knows more about LW's than anyone else in the world. g Best regards, Dennis So I have two categories of discs -- one, those that are nifty and interesting, but not particularly valuable to anyone but me, the kind that I enjoy listening to though millions of copies were pressed and the records are virtually worthless -- and two, records that would never see a phonograph/soundbox/headless nail in a billion years, because they CANNOT be played back on that equipment without irreparable damage. I don't particularly feel this way about Diamond Disc or cylinder phonographs, however, as I've never seen an Edison needle hurt an Edison record. The diamonds are ground to exact specs and the records (wax notwithstanding) are built like Mack trucks. I'm not saying there's no damage whatsoever, obviously, but it seems negligible from my experience. I've never collected black dust from an Edison stylus. It sounds like Merle isn't interested in permanently damaging his Little Wonders, and that being the case, I don't suggest that he play them back with a wind-up phono. I think that's insane if he likes his records. That said, Merle, I think most 78 styli offered by cartridge manufacturers are 2.7mil and will work great with LW's. I've used the Grado, the Stanton you have, and the NS78 that works with the Shure V15VxMR, which is what I use now. All these styli have suggested weights of 3 to 5 grams, 2 to 10 times the amount of weight an LP stylus would need, so I think your 2.7mil Stanton will give you perfectly lovely results with a little extra tracking force. My 78rpm deck is an 80's Technics SL1200Mk2 that Kevin Barrett (www.kabusa.com) modified for me to play at 78rpm. He also installed one of his damping fluid troughs, which places a paddle that's attached to the tonearm into this curved trough of thick fluid that limits the amount of movement available to the tonearm, stopping it from bouncing on warped 78s. It also vastly improves the midrange, stereo image stability, and tautness of bass with LP playback. It's an awesome mod. Kevin's products are top-notch. I'm excited to get one of his preamps with noise reduction and correct EQ soon. Can we hear from everyone on this 'soundbox/steel needle = irreparable damage' issue? I would love to be out-voted and/or proven wrong. Best to all, Robert - Original Message - From: bob rvu...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 10
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It happens ALL the time... No apologies necessary... And in this hobby, there are VERY few women, so the mistake is natural. The funniest story I have is when I was starting as a freshman at Oberlin College (pretty liberal in its day). We all got our rooming and roommate assignments from the Dean of Men's office (for some reason there was no Dean of Women). I didn't worry about the source of the assignment once I discovered that my roommate was named Lynn Catherine, but she and her parents had an uneasy summer until they met me... Thank you Dennis, for your very kind words about what I know about Little Wonders... It's simply a function of liking them... On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:47:09 -0600 Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com writes: Apologies to Merle! That's what I get for living in Nashville! *lol* Sorry about that. :-) , r. - Original Message - From: Dennis Back back...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Styli assistance, please BTWMerle is not a he, but is a she, and she is the QUEEN OF LITTLE WONDER RECORDS, and knows more about LW's than anyone else in the world. g Best regards, Dennis
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Greetings: I also have two sets of 78 rpm discs: One for modern turntable/pick-up for collectible and E to M condition records. Second group for non-collectible in VG range to downright P for poor for wind-ups, which can still sound very, very good, in fact much better than with the modern pick-up. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but won't a modern stlyus take a beating being played on damaged discs? Cheers, etc. Doug --
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I don't think any diamond stylus will get beaten up by a damaged disc, or any kind of disc, really (aside from cracked, obviously). The cantilever that the diamond is attached to can certainly wear out and is the reason hi-fi enthusiasts change out styli from time to time. Best, r. - Original Message - From: DOUGLAS CURRAN batwings78...@starpower.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 3:01 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Styli... Greetings: I also have two sets of 78 rpm discs: One for modern turntable/pick-up for collectible and E to M condition records. Second group for non-collectible in VG range to downright P for poor for wind-ups, which can still sound very, very good, in fact much better than with the modern pick-up. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but won't a modern stlyus take a beating being played on damaged discs? Cheers, etc. Doug -- ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
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In a message dated 3/8/2005 3:46:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, batwings78...@starpower.net writes: had a brand new diamond point placed on a DD reproducer, but it puts out much, much less than an orginal needle. Any ideas? Is there a solution? Any new-old stock around? This is one of the biggest problems I've faced over the years with DD machines. Styli vary wildly, in sound quality, record wear, and volume. I've read that Wyatt's Musical Americana stocks NOS ones for DD's, but I have no idea how good they are. Randy
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I rebuilt a DD Reproducer a few months back with a NOS stylus and new gaskets that I bought at Wyatt's. I used one of Greg B's diaphragms in the rebuild as well. It sounds great and I see no indication of record wear or damage since the rebuild. My experience was a good one with Wyatt's. Tom - Original Message - From: diamondisk...@aol.commailto:diamondisk...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.orgmailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Styli... In a message dated 3/8/2005 3:46:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, batwings78...@starpower.netmailto:batwings78...@starpower.net writes: had a brand new diamond point placed on a DD reproducer, but it puts out much, much less than an orginal needle. Any ideas? Is there a solution? Any new-old stock around? This is one of the biggest problems I've faced over the years with DD machines. Styli vary wildly, in sound quality, record wear, and volume. I've read that Wyatt's Musical Americana stocks NOS ones for DD's, but I have no idea how good they are. Randy ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.orgmailto:Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
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How are DD styli held into the stylus bar and what does one use to fasten in a new one? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]on Behalf Of diamondisk...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 3:05 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Styli... In a message dated 3/9/2005 2:51:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tom...@msn.com writes: I used one of Greg B's diaphragms in the rebuild as well. Greg's diaphragms look like over-hyped cardboard, but they are the real deal. They sound great. I am glad to hear that Wyatt's styli worked for you. I need a couple of styli myself, and have wondered how good Wyatt's are. I've been burned several times by dealers who sold me so-called, NOS replacements for DD machines. Randy ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
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Wyatt's asked me to send to old stylus bar to them in exchange for a lower price. I didn't want to try installing the stylus in the bar myself. Tom - Original Message - From: diamondisk...@aol.commailto:diamondisk...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.orgmailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Styli... In a message dated 3/9/2005 2:51:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tom...@msn.commailto:tom...@msn.com writes: I used one of Greg B's diaphragms in the rebuild as well. Greg's diaphragms look like over-hyped cardboard, but they are the real deal. They sound great. I am glad to hear that Wyatt's styli worked for you. I need a couple of styli myself, and have wondered how good Wyatt's are. I've been burned several times by dealers who sold me so-called, NOS replacements for DD machines. Randy ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.orgmailto:Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
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In a message dated 3/9/2005 4:32:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tom...@msn.com writes: Wyatt's asked me to send to old stylus bar to them in exchange for a lower price. I didn't want to try installing the stylus in the bar myself. You did the right thing. Randy
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Rough shaped diamonds were plated into place with nickel, then the nickel was ground away in the same operation that shaped the tip. New ones would be another story (one my clutzy fingers won't be telling! ) - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 4:04 PM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Styli... How are DD styli held into the stylus bar and what does one use to fasten in a new one?
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Hi Doug, Let me know if you received the e-mail I sent off list to you. Did the new diamond come from Expert stylus? On the DD reproducer the stylus bar pin makes a huge difference. The ones from Expert I have gotten have the pin way too tight, this will reduce the sound. I tune the Edison DD reproducer by adjusting the pin fit, it should be free to move, but not so free that it will move on its own. There are several things each reproducer needs, the hinge block must move freely, the diaphragm must be good, and have proper size gaskets. Most of the time the new diamond will not sound quite as good, but should have the same volume. If you are interested in the best sound, I recommend the Bogantz diaphragm which costs $6.00 and requires no modification and eliminates the dirty sound on the Edison DD. Wyatt has NOS bars and stylus for around $80 and I have done reproducers for two people who have bought them and the sound is excellent. steve_nor...@msn.com Best wishes, Steve Hello: I have my 78 rpm styli checked under a microscope at a nearby repair shop, and it's very clear there is wear, at times major wear, with shellac discs. Please explain how it can be otherwise? While on the subject, had a brand new diamond point placed on a DD reproducer, but it puts out much, much less than an orginal needle. Any ideas? Is there a solution? Any new-old stock around? Tnx Rgds. Doug --
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Randy, I have rebuilt two reproducers for people with NOS Wyatt stylus and bars and both were the best sounding DD stylus I have ever heard. Wyatt also has the only correct size DD diaphragm gaskets I have found. Steve I've read that Wyatt's Musical Americana stocks NOS ones for DD's, but I have no idea how good they are. Randy
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Hi Ron, It looks like Expert glues them in and they come already mounted in a bar. The earliest DD styli were bare diamonds soldered into the bar. It was found that these were prone to breakage and so Edison put the diamonds in tongs and then plated the diamond in the tong with nickel. The nickel encased diamond was then polished to a conical shape and the tip was ground and polished at the same time. The polishing removed the nickel and shaped the diamond stylus tip, like a wooden pencil being sharpened, the wood is removed and the graphite is given a point. You polish a diamond with diamond chips or dust impregnated on disc, I believe. The nickel encased, polished diamond was then soldered into the stylus bar. Below is an exact quote, I cannot include the photo so I used a different description to help. According to Edison Diamond Disc Re-Creations records artists 1910-1929 page 107: In this process the diamonds were first silver plated, then mounted on rods with paraffin, plated for 72 hours with nickel layers electro deposited under tension. The styli were thus held under layers of nickel at thousands of pounds of pressure. The nickel-encased diamonds were then polished to conical shape, the nickel at the stylus point being found away as the diamond was polished. The finished stylus was then soldered into its stylus bar. In the early days, bare diamonds were just soldered into bars and were prone to breakage when carelessly lowered onto the record. Steve How are DD styli held into the stylus bar and what does one use to fasten in a new one? Ron L
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As far as I know Expert is the only one who makes new DD stylus and it comes already mounted in the bar. The reason Wyatt lowered the price is Expert uses the old bar and gives a discount when you send them old bars. Most dealers will give you $5 for an old bar. Steve
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What is Wyatt's selling them for now? I only deal with Wyatt's out of desperation. They are hard to reach for and east coaster with their phone hours and lack of on-line ordering, Plus, they (illegally) charge a surcharge for credit card use so I have to have extra cash on hand, send them a check wait for the check to get there, probably wait for the check to clear and then wait for the item to be shipped. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]on Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 12:00 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Styli... As far as I know Expert is the only one who makes new DD stylus and it comes already mounted in the bar. The reason Wyatt lowered the price is Expert uses the old bar and gives a discount when you send them old bars. Most dealers will give you $5 for an old bar. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
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gee, this is the first negative about Wyatt's i've ever heard, in 15 years. illegal...? really, is it? i suppose they could just add the surcharge to all prices...but that wouldn't be fair to the non-CC people. maybe there's another device they can adopt, to level this out in a better way. i'll just say that i've always found the Wyatt's to be flexible, fair, honest, speedy and responsive, and - most important - talented. and Dwayne can usually fix stuff that nobody else can. the reason the phone hours are limited, is because he is so bad about dispensing copious free advice that Donna has to rein him in so he'll get enough work done! although they don't set their phone machine to record messages, and don't have an online ordering system, they do have email and are responsive. this is no slam on Ron or anyone else with a differing opinion, and certainly there are several other fine phono repair/parts outfits, but i just wanted to add my own experiences to the record. On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:30:41 -0500 'Ron L'Herault' lhera...@bu.edu wrote: I only deal with Wyatt's out of desperation. They are hard to reach for and east coaster with their phone hours and lack of on-line ordering, Plus, they (illegally) charge a surcharge for credit card use so I have to have extra cash on hand, send them a check wait for the check to get there, probably wait for the check to clear and then wait for the item to be shipped. Ron L -- Peter pjfra...@alamedanet.net
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On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 09:55 -0800, pjfra...@alamedanet.net wrote: illegal...? really, is it? i suppose they could just add the surcharge to all prices...but that wouldn't be fair to the non-CC people. maybe there's another device they can adopt, to level this out in a better way. Yepper, believe it. Credit card surcharges are illegal in CA, CO, CT, FL, KS, MA, ME, NY, OK and TX. Additionally, Visa and MasterCard prohibit surcharges. The merchant is expected to eat the surcharge as business overhead. However it's legal to offer cash discounts. Splitting hairs? Yup. But that's the way it is. Loran
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Wow, if having that much cash on hand is an issue, maybe collecting phonos isnt your bag. Swaps meets and flea markets in your area must all take VISA then? You are really getting kind of overly picky arent you? I only deal with Wyatt's out of desperation. They are hard to reach for and east coaster with their phone hours and lack of on-line ordering, Plus, they (illegally) charge a surcharge for credit card use so I have to have extra cash on hand, send them a check wait for the check to get there, probably wait for the check to clear and then wait for the item to be shipped. Ron L -- Peter pjfra...@alamedanet.net From: pjfra...@alamedanet.net Date: 2005/03/10 Thu PM 12:55:05 EST To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Wyatt's, was RE: [Phono-L] Styli... gee, this is the first negative about Wyatt's i've ever heard, in 15 years. illegal...? really, is it? i suppose they could just add the surcharge to all prices...but that wouldn't be fair to the non-CC people. maybe there's another device they can adopt, to level this out in a better way. i'll just say that i've always found the Wyatt's to be flexible, fair, honest, speedy and responsive, and - most important - talented. and Dwayne can usually fix stuff that nobody else can. the reason the phone hours are limited, is because he is so bad about dispensing copious free advice that Donna has to rein him in so he'll get enough work done! although they don't set their phone machine to record messages, and don't have an online ordering system, they do have email and are responsive. this is no slam on Ron or anyone else with a differing opinion, and certainly there are several other fine phono repair/parts outfits, but i just wanted to add my own experiences to the record. On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:30:41 -0500 'Ron L'Herault' lhera...@bu.edu wrote: I only deal with Wyatt's out of desperation. They are hard to reach for and east coaster with their phone hours and lack of on-line ordering, Plus, they (illegally) charge a surcharge for credit card use so I have to have extra cash on hand, send them a check wait for the check to get there, probably wait for the check to clear and then wait for the item to be shipped. Ron L -- Peter pjfra...@alamedanet.net ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ Thank You, Robert
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I don't deal with Dwayne much, but in those cases that I have, I never resented the illegal extra charge for using a credit card. I know that it is illegal, but I figure it is worth the convenience to know that it will be shipped out that same day or the next. I actually think he is easier to get in contact with because he is on the west coast. With the three hour time difference, I can call him after I get out of work and he is still open. Dave Dazer Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: What is Wyatt's selling them for now? I only deal with Wyatt's out of desperation. They are hard to reach for and east coaster with their phone hours and lack of on-line ordering, Plus, they (illegally) charge a surcharge for credit card use so I have to have extra cash on hand, send them a check wait for the check to get there, probably wait for the check to clear and then wait for the item to be shipped. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]on Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 12:00 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Styli... As far as I know Expert is the only one who makes new DD stylus and it comes already mounted in the bar. The reason Wyatt lowered the price is Expert uses the old bar and gives a discount when you send them old bars. Most dealers will give you $5 for an old bar. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
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I agree about the convenience. I've only dealt with Wyatt's a handful of times, but I have always been treated fairly. Dwayne is always helpful and likes to talk about the history of the machine I happen to be working on at the time. Especially of late with a Columbia AH motor board that I'm having him work on. These machines are noisy anyway, but this one sounded like a thrashing machine when running. Dwayne spent about ten minutes on the phone with me today explaining the changes in design that took place after my particular model was made and why they were made. He also shared some neat facts about patent issues that they faced when trying to move to a new motor design. I appreciated the personal service of speaking to someone rather than cold e-mails or web sites. I like technology, but the personal touch is still best for me. Tom - Original Message - From: David Dazermailto:dda...@sbcglobal.net To: Antique Phonograph Listmailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 1:03 PM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Styli... I don't deal with Dwayne much, but in those cases that I have, I never resented the illegal extra charge for using a credit card. I know that it is illegal, but I figure it is worth the convenience to know that it will be shipped out that same day or the next. I actually think he is easier to get in contact with because he is on the west coast. With the three hour time difference, I can call him after I get out of work and he is still open. Dave Dazer Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edumailto:lhera...@bu.edu wrote: What is Wyatt's selling them for now? I only deal with Wyatt's out of desperation. They are hard to reach for and east coaster with their phone hours and lack of on-line ordering, Plus, they (illegally) charge a surcharge for credit card use so I have to have extra cash on hand, send them a check wait for the check to get there, probably wait for the check to clear and then wait for the item to be shipped. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.orgmailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]on Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 12:00 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Styli... As far as I know Expert is the only one who makes new DD stylus and it comes already mounted in the bar. The reason Wyatt lowered the price is Expert uses the old bar and gives a discount when you send them old bars. Most dealers will give you $5 for an old bar. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.orgmailto:Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.orgmailto:Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.orgmailto:Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
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On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 11:03 -0800, David Dazer wrote: I don't deal with Dwayne much, but in those cases that I have, I never resented the illegal extra charge for using a credit card. I know that it is illegal, but I figure it is worth the convenience to know that it will be shipped out that same day or the next. I actually think he is easier to get in contact with because he is on the west coast. With the three hour time difference, I can call him after I get out of work and he is still open. Dave Dazer Just one last comment on CC surcharges... if Wyatt's had online ordering, their surcharge would be higher - Banks charge for that extra risk. Not only that, there are additional costs for online processing services and secure carts. Not to mention the hassle of weeding out online credit card fraud (those people in Nigeria will order ANYTHING!). Remember, these costs have to be passed on in your pricing. For a small business, it isn't always worth the time, effort, hassle, and cost. Loran
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I did most of my collecting when I was younger and single and not paying child support. It will change but I have to watch things carefully until they do. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org]on Behalf Of rk...@cox.net Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 1:57 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: Wyatt's, was RE: [Phono-L] Styli... Wow, if having that much cash on hand is an issue, maybe collecting phonos isnt your bag. Swaps meets and flea markets in your area must all take VISA then? You are really getting kind of overly picky arent you? I only deal with Wyatt's out of desperation. They are hard to reach for and east coaster with their phone hours and lack of on-line ordering, Plus, they (illegally) charge a surcharge for credit card use so I have to have extra cash on hand, send them a check wait for the check to get there, probably wait for the check to clear and then wait for the item to be shipped. Ron L -- Peter pjfra...@alamedanet.net From: pjfra...@alamedanet.net Date: 2005/03/10 Thu PM 12:55:05 EST To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Wyatt's, was RE: [Phono-L] Styli... gee, this is the first negative about Wyatt's i've ever heard, in 15 years. illegal...? really, is it? i suppose they could just add the surcharge to all prices...but that wouldn't be fair to the non-CC people. maybe there's another device they can adopt, to level this out in a better way. i'll just say that i've always found the Wyatt's to be flexible, fair, honest, speedy and responsive, and - most important - talented. and Dwayne can usually fix stuff that nobody else can. the reason the phone hours are limited, is because he is so bad about dispensing copious free advice that Donna has to rein him in so he'll get enough work done! although they don't set their phone machine to record messages, and don't have an online ordering system, they do have email and are responsive. this is no slam on Ron or anyone else with a differing opinion, and certainly there are several other fine phono repair/parts outfits, but i just wanted to add my own experiences to the record. On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:30:41 -0500 'Ron L'Herault' lhera...@bu.edu wrote: I only deal with Wyatt's out of desperation. They are hard to reach for and east coaster with their phone hours and lack of on-line ordering, Plus, they (illegally) charge a surcharge for credit card use so I have to have extra cash on hand, send them a check wait for the check to get there, probably wait for the check to clear and then wait for the item to be shipped. Ron L -- Peter pjfra...@alamedanet.net ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ Thank You, Robert ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
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I don't mind paying the surcharge that Wyatts charges for using a credit card. They are only passing on the cost that the credit card companies charge them. I have priced parts at a number of suppliers and have always found Wyatt's prices the best which significantly offsets the surcharge for using a credit card. Also I find the quality of their parts very good. If you want a good example look at their prices for reproduction horns and tell me who beats their price. RMV - Original Message - From: Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:32 PM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Styli... On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 11:03 -0800, David Dazer wrote: I don't deal with Dwayne much, but in those cases that I have, I never resented the illegal extra charge for using a credit card. I know that it is illegal, but I figure it is worth the convenience to know that it will be shipped out that same day or the next. I actually think he is easier to get in contact with because he is on the west coast. With the three hour time difference, I can call him after I get out of work and he is still open. Dave Dazer Just one last comment on CC surcharges... if Wyatt's had online ordering, their surcharge would be higher - Banks charge for that extra risk. Not only that, there are additional costs for online processing services and secure carts. Not to mention the hassle of weeding out online credit card fraud (those people in Nigeria will order ANYTHING!). Remember, these costs have to be passed on in your pricing. For a small business, it isn't always worth the time, effort, hassle, and cost. Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
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If you want to see Dwayne get into an instant bad mood, mention the CC thing to him on the phone.. --- bob rvu...@comcast.net wrote: I don't mind paying the surcharge that Wyatts charges for using a credit card. They are only passing on the cost that the credit card companies charge them. I have priced parts at a number of suppliers and have always found Wyatt's prices the best which significantly offsets the surcharge for using a credit card. Also I find the quality of their parts very good. If you want a good example look at their prices for reproduction horns and tell me who beats their price. RMV - Original Message - From: Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:32 PM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Styli... On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 11:03 -0800, David Dazer wrote: I don't deal with Dwayne much, but in those cases that I have, I never resented the illegal extra charge for using a credit card. I know that it is illegal, but I figure it is worth the convenience to know that it will be shipped out that same day or the next. I actually think he is easier to get in contact with because he is on the west coast. With the three hour time difference, I can call him after I get out of work and he is still open. Dave Dazer Just one last comment on CC surcharges... if Wyatt's had online ordering, their surcharge would be higher - Banks charge for that extra risk. Not only that, there are additional costs for online processing services and secure carts. Not to mention the hassle of weeding out online credit card fraud (those people in Nigeria will order ANYTHING!). Remember, these costs have to be passed on in your pricing. For a small business, it isn't always worth the time, effort, hassle, and cost. Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Ditto. Dwayne is the man. He has always come through for me, and has gave me ton's of free info over the phone. The guy is priceless. I challenge anybody to find someone as accessable and knowledgeable. He's one of a kind.. --- Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com wrote: I have nothing but praise for Dwayne. He does quality work, is very honest and has always turned things around really quickly. And, he is a really nice guy that knows more than anyone I have met about repairs and such. Dan - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 4:30 PM Subject: Re: Wyatts was [Phono-L] Styli... I mentioned that once and never again... John Phillip Sands sinatrafang...@yahoo.com wrote: If you want to see Dwayne get into an instant bad mood, mention the CC thing to him on the phone.. --- bob wrote: I don't mind paying the surcharge that Wyatts charges for using a credit card. They are only passing on the cost that the credit card companies charge them. I have priced parts at a number of suppliers and have always found Wyatt's prices the best which significantly offsets the surcharge for using a credit card. Also I find the quality of their parts very good. If you want a good example look at their prices for reproduction horns and tell me who beats their price. RMV - Original Message - From: Loran Hughes To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:32 PM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Styli... On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 11:03 -0800, David Dazer wrote: I don't deal with Dwayne much, but in those cases that I have, I never resented the illegal extra charge for using a credit card. I know that it is illegal, but I figure it is worth the convenience to know that it will be shipped out that same day or the next. I actually think he is easier to get in contact with because he is on the west coast. With the three hour time difference, I can call him after I get out of work and he is still open. Dave Dazer Just one last comment on CC surcharges... if Wyatt's had online ordering, their surcharge would be higher - Banks charge for that extra risk. Not only that, there are additional costs for online processing services and secure carts. Not to mention the hassle of weeding out online credit card fraud (those people in Nigeria will order ANYTHING!). Remember, these costs have to be passed on in your pricing. For a small business, it isn't always worth the time, effort, hassle, and cost. Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ ___ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
