Re: [PHP] Programmers and developers needed
agbo onyador wrote: Hello there! We are looking for programmers and developers to create a world wide system. Your comments are welcome. Who is we ? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.2°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Got HTML5 History API + caching LICKED, I think, grin
rene7705 wrote: In response to critiques about my download size, I've removed scenejs and the artwork for my own site-logos from the zip. The size is now 38mb, down from 54mb. I think it took about a minute at about 470kb/sec. I'm also using 7-zip now, I hope it opens better on non-windows OSes. It worked fine with unzip on linux. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (11.9°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Got HTML5 History API + caching LICKED, I think, grin
rene7705 wrote: On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Per Jessen p...@computer.org wrote: rene7705 wrote: In response to critiques about my download size, I've removed scenejs and the artwork for my own site-logos from the zip. The size is now 38mb, down from 54mb. I think it took about a minute at about 470kb/sec. I get much better datarates, around 1.5 to 2mb/s... But then again, the server is in europe, and so am I. I'm in Europe too, but your server is about 20 hops away. 470kb/s is pretty good on my 6Mbit downstream though. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (8.2°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] utf8_decode() not working, conflicts with urlencode()
Merlin Morgenstern wrote: Hi there, I am having some trouble with utf8_decode(). Somehow the function returns output=input e.g.: $input = '%20%C3%9Cbersetzung%20franz'; $output = utf8_decode($input); echo $input.'br'.$output; My goal is to decode the utf8, trim the input and encode with urlencode(); This is the string which I would like to get: %C3%9Cbersetzung+franz Trim does not work and if I place urlencode() directly on the input it will encode the % sign to %25 and produce therfore a mixture of encodings. It seems to me that you're probably missing a urldecode() on $input before you attempt to decode the utf8 chars ? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.9°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] NOMAIL option for the list?
Michelle Konzack wrote: Hello Daniel Brown, Am 2011-05-17 13:15:50, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 13:11, Michelle Konzack linux4miche...@tamay-dogan.net wrote: Is this not longer subscriber only? Actually, it never has been. It's subscription to receive, but open to the public for one-off postings. Hmmm, when I tried to post to the List without subscribtion, any of my post where rejected and I had to subscribe... Unfortunately the messages are all coming into my CellPhone and I have to /dev/null it on my server. Ist there a way to set my account to NOMAIL option? Michelle, the list is ezmlm-driven, it should be possible to subscribe an alias to the list, which means that that address will be allowed to post, but will not receive any postings. Try this address: php-general-allow-subscribe-youralias=example@lists.php.net -- Per Jessen, Zürich (14.7°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: NOMAIL option for the list?
Michelle Konzack wrote: Hello Daniel Brown, Am 2011-05-17 15:07:58, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 15:00, Michelle Konzack linux4miche...@tamay-dogan.net wrote: Ist there a way to set my account to NOMAIL option? To stop receiving emails you mean? As in unsubscribing? I mean, STOP receiving mail without UNSUBSCRIBING. Which is a standardd function of newer majordomo and mailman. ezmlm uses the expression 'alias' for this functionality. See my posting from yesterday. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.9°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Session question
Paul Halliday wrote: Is it OK to have session_start as an include? Yes. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (18.1°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Running PHP5 in a PHP4 environment
Paul M Foster wrote: I recently installed some code written for a PHP 5 environment on a server which I thought was running PHP 5. It was a form which should have painted at least something to the browser window. But instead, I got a complete blank page. Come to find out that the server was actually running PHP 4. I've seen PHP do this before-- trying to run PHP 5 in a PHP 4 environment causes it to do every step up to the point where it sees future code it doesn't understand. Then it just stops, no errors, no panics, no nothing. Is this expected behavior, or am I missing something? It seems like if the PHP interpreter hit some future code it didn't understand, it would issue a syntax warning or something similar. Is there some way I can squeeze some identifiable error code out of PHP 4 to indicate it's hit PHP 5 code it doesn't understand? Check the apache error logs, that is where you will usually find something. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (14.2°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Javascript detection
tedd wrote: As Yogi Berra once said; It's always hard to predict things especially when it deals with the future. He was quoting Niels Bohr: http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/26159.html -- Per Jessen, Zürich (10.2°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] XML... Useful or another layer of complexity?
Jason Pruim wrote: So the subject says it all... And yes I know this isn't related to PHP but it's the weekend and I trust the opinions on this list more then any other list I have seen. I've been doing alot of reading on XML and honestly it looks pretty cool... BUT the question is... Is it truly useful or is it just another layer that we have to write? I started looking at XML about 8-9 years ago and at first dismissed it as just another way to gobble up CPU-cycles. Later on, I began to appreciate some of the really cool stuff you can achieve with XSLT, and today I would not want to be without XML. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.6°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Bilingual strtotime()
Alexis wrote: So basically, the answer is no :) Looks like I'll simply do a replace of the French named months with English ones. Would have thought the length of time that PHP has been around and with people around the world, speaking more than just one language, that language support would have progressed further than it appears to have. Apparently not. That's not really fair - IMO, developers of multi-lingual applications usually keep data in a language/locale-neutral format and only transform to language/locale-specific when the data is being presented. strtotime() is an unusual function in that it attempts the reverse - transform arbitrary text into data. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (5.2°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Bilingual strtotime()
Alexis wrote: On 05/02/11 13:23, Per Jessen wrote: Alexis wrote: Hi, Living in Canada, and being a bilingual country, I have data I am processing which includes dates in both English and French. I was wondering if there was a way to use the strtotime() function when the months are in one or the other of the above two languages? Sure, strftime() is locale-sensitive. Set the locale(). Thanks But what if the locale is in two possible languages, all mixed together? You have to decide then: 1) display in language#1 2) display in language#2 3) display in both. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (4.6°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Bilingual strtotime()
Alexis wrote: I was wondering if there was a way to use the strtotime() function when the months are in one or the other of the above two languages? Ah, I misread this earlier - strtotime(), not strftime(). You're talking about transforming from text to a locale()-neutral format. I don't think strtotime() is locale-sensitive - according to the manual: The function [strtotime] expects to be given a string containing an English date format -- Per Jessen, Zürich (4.6°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Bilingual strtotime()
Alexis wrote: Hi, Living in Canada, and being a bilingual country, I have data I am processing which includes dates in both English and French. I was wondering if there was a way to use the strtotime() function when the months are in one or the other of the above two languages? Sure, strftime() is locale-sensitive. Set the locale(). -- Per Jessen, Zürich (4.4°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Array Symbol Suggestion
sono...@fannullone.us wrote: I'd like to make a suggestion for a change, or possibly an addition, to the PHP language. I'm learning PHP and have been very excited with what it can do in relation to HTML. But when I got to the part about arrays, I was disappointed to see that they are designated with a $ the same as other variables. I was learning Perl before I switched, and it uses the @ sign to designate an array. That makes it a lot simpler to see at a glance what is an array and what isn't - at least for beginners like me. Has there been any talk of adopting the @ sign for arrays in PHP? Or is that symbol used for something else that I haven't read about yet? What is the proper channel for making suggestions like this? The php-development mailing list. What you're suggesting is a pretty fundamental change, don't be disappointed if it is not met with universal approval. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (5.9°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Array Symbol Suggestion
Ashley Sheridan wrote: On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 12:23 -0800, sono...@fannullone.us wrote: Thanks for all the responses to my suggestion. I realize this would be a major change, so that's why I also mentioned it as an addition to the language. I'm sure it's just what you're used to, but still being new to all this, it just makes sense (to me anyway) to have different symbols for different variable types: $scalar @array #hash Since the @ sign is already reserved, maybe there's another symbol that would work better? I don't know. These are just ideas that I came up with while reading and I thought I'd throw it out there to see what others thought. I like the idea of a naming convention, so that's what I'll do in my scripts. I also appreciate the heads up on is_string(), is_array(), and var_dump(). Thanks again, Marc If you check out the manual pages for those functions as well, you'll see other related functions. I must say, of any language I've used, the php.net documentation is by far the best, giving plenty of information and user comments too. It's a resource I still can't do without, and I reckon even the old hands on this list would say the same. Yes, I wouldn't want to be without my local php.net mirror. Other languages that can easily match the quality of the documentation - assembler, C and C++, to name a few. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (7.9°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Array Symbol Suggestion
Donovan Brooke wrote: however, from my experience, there is often this kind of problem in any language, and that is where naming conventions come in very handy. I don't know if the PHP community has any standard convention.. One popular naming convention: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_notation -- Per Jessen, Zürich (7.8°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Help: Validate Domain Name by Regular Express
tedd wrote: At that time, I registered almost 30 names. Fortunately, all of my names passed and I was permitted to keep them. Unfortunately, all browser manufactures (except Safari) negated some of the work done by the IDNS WG and as a result PUNYCODE is shown instead of the actual characters intended. Only for characters that are not part of a national alphabet, I believe? This one works fine: http://rugbrød.ch/ Besides, many domain registrars also limit the available characters to those that are part of a national alphabet. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (0.0°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Help: Validate Domain Name by Regular Express
tedd wrote: At 11:54 AM +0100 1/11/11, Per Jessen wrote: tedd wrote: At that time, I registered almost 30 names. Fortunately, all of my names passed and I was permitted to keep them. Unfortunately, all browser manufactures (except Safari) negated some of the work done by the IDNS WG and as a result PUNYCODE is shown instead of the actual characters intended. Only for characters that are not part of a national alphabet, I believe? This one works fine: http://rugbrød.ch/ Not for me. It translates to: xn--rugbrd-fya.ch Probably a browser issue. The above works fine with e.g. FF3.6 amd Konqueror 3.5. Besides, many domain registrars also limit the available characters to those that are part of a national alphabet. National alphabet? Never heard of it -- what Nation? Perhaps not the correct expression, but most non-English languages have their own alphabets, and despite some countries sharing a language, what they allow for domain name registration isn't always the same (ref. Michelle Konzacks earlier posting). For instance, while 'ï' is used in Dutch, English, and French (I believe), it is not used in Danish, so it is not allowed in Danish domain names. Here is the list of characters accepted by the German registrar: http://www.denic.de/de/domains/internationalized-domain-names/idn-liste.html The Swiss registrar: https://www.nic.ch/reg/wcmPage.action?res=/reg/guest/faqs/idn.jspplainlid=de Austrian registrar: http://www.nic.at/fileadmin/www.nic.at/documents/idn/idn_at_tld_de.txt Danish registrar: https://www.dk-hostmaster.dk/selvbetjening/koeb-dk-domaenenavn/tegnsaet-for-domaenenavne/ (quite limited: a-z, 0-9, hyphen, æ, ø, å, ö, ä, ü, é) Are the Greek letters Sigma, Delta, Pi part of this National alphabet? No, only the Greek alphabet which probably is used in Greece and Cyprus only. In addition, many registrars are clueless about IDNS, Char Sets, and what is legal and not. Not in my experience. The various national/European registrars usually have very strict regulations, and any domain registrar offering his or her services to the public had better understand them. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (0.0°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Help: Validate Domain Name by Regular Express
Michelle Konzack wrote: Hello Ashley Sheridan, Am 2011-01-08 17:09:27, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: Also, each label is checked to ensure it doesn't run over 63 characters, and the whole thing isn't over 253 characters. Lastly, each label is checked to ensure it doesn't completely consist of digits. Do you know, that there are MANY domains with numbers only? Here is a list of 197 such Swiss domains: http://public.jessen.ch/files/ch-domains-only-numeric.txt -- Per Jessen, Zürich (0.0°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Help: Validate Domain Name by Regular Express
Tamara Temple wrote:
On Jan 8, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Al wrote:
On 1/8/2011 3:55 AM, WalkinRaven wrote:
PHP 5.3 PCRE
Regular Express to match domain names format according to RFC 1034
- DOMAIN
NAMES - CONCEPTS AND FACILITIES
/^
(
[a-z] |
[a-z] (?:[a-z]|[0-9]) |
[a-z] (?:[a-z]|[0-9]|\-){1,61} (?:[a-z]|[0-9]) ) # One label
(?:\.(?1))*+ # More labels
\.? # Root domain name
$/iDx
This rule matches only label and label. but not
label.label...
I don't know what wrong with it.
Thank you.
Look at filter_var()
Validates value as URL (according to »
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2396) ,
I'm wondering what mods to make for this now that unicode chars are
allowed in domain names
You're talking about IDNs ? The actual domain name is still US-ASCII,
only when you decode punycode do you get UTF8 characters.
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Re: [PHP] Regex for telephone numbers
a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: Sorry for top-post, on phone. What about mobile phone numbers (cell phones you call them in the US) do they conform to the same format? AFAIK, they too vary from country to country. Swiss mobile numbers are 07[6789] NNN, the latter usually written as NNN NN NN, but also often in a way that will help remembering the number. Danish mobile#s are the same as land line numbers, no area code, just . -- Per Jessen, Zürich (2.8°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Regex for telephone numbers
Al wrote:
On 12/29/2010 7:12 PM, Ethan Rosenberg wrote:
Dear List -
Thank you for all your help in the past.
Here is another one
I would like to have a regex which would validate that a telephone
number is in the format xxx-xxx-.
Thanks.
Ethan
MySQL 5.1 PHP 5 Linux [Debian (sid)]
Regex is over-kill.
You've just used one any way:
$phoneNum = preg_replace(%\D%, '', $phoneNum);//Remove everything except
digits
$phoneNum = ltrim($phoneNum,'1');//Remove leading 1s
if(strlen($phoneValue) != 10)
{
throw new Exception(Phone number must be 10 digits, without leading a
1. Check your entry carefull);
}
One regex and two function calls when one regex would have sufficed?
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Re: [PHP] Centralizled Authentication
AmirBehzad Eslami wrote: Dear list, We have dozen of applications, mostly written in PHP and Python. They're distributed on different servers, but i'm trying to integrate them somehow. Each application has its own users. Is there a way to store all username/passwords into a single datasource and give each user, her proper permissions? Since i'm just a php-programmer, i *thought* of a MySQL database to hold these data, and then use a SOAP-Server to handle the authentication across those applications. Once a user provides her username/password, a SOAP Request will be made to a PHP-Driven Authentication Server, which handles the job to check the permissions and user's identity. It sounds slow, isn't it? Is there a better solution? How do you make authentication across a network of applications? Central directory service accessed with LDAP. Typical examples include Microsofts Active Directory, Novells eDirectory and openLDAP. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-1.4°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Centralizled Authentication
AmirBehzad Eslami wrote: Suppose you're running phpBB with another php-driven application. phpBB has a user table where the username/password/email/.. of each user is stored at mysql. Once a user logs-in to the website, the Last Login timestamp updates on the users table at mysql. How do I use LDAP in this type of application? 1) Move entire records of Users and their attributes (e.g. last_login_time) to LDAP server? In this mehtod, after each successfull login request, I also need to update the related record on LDAP. 2) Should I use LDAP to store only the username and passwords? In this method, I need to update the record on MySQL database, but I should keep the MySQL and LDAP syncronized, since a user may want to change her password. LDAP is only the access method, you can store the information whichever way you want. mysql is probably not a bad idea. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-0.9°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Disk IO performance
Larry Garfield wrote: There are many things that everybody knows about optimizing PHP code. One of them is that one of the most expensive parts of the process is loading code off of disk and compiling it, which is why opcode caches are such a bit performance boost. The corollary to that, of course, is that more files = more IO and therefore more of a performance hit. [snip] So... does anyone have any actual, hard data here? I don't mean I think or in my experience. I am looking for hard benchmarks, profiling, or writeups of how OS (Linux specifically if it matters) file caching works in 2010, not in 1998. The principle hasn't changed since the 50s - read the file into memory, and keep it there (and keep reading it from there) as long as it isn't written to. The implementation has changed many times over, but it's not something we as regular application programmers ought to be much converned with. Leave it to the smart operating system. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (1.6°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Check for existence of mail address
Gary wrote: Jonathan Tapicer wrote: You can use this class: http://www.webdigi.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/smtpvalidateclassphp.txt It may not work for some SMTPs. It uses the concepts explained here: http://www.webdigi.co.uk/blog/2009/how-to-check-if-an-email-address-exists-without-sending-an-email/ Please stop top-posting. The above idea is sound - it will work - but uses *others'* systems to solve *your* problem, which is rude IMO. There is no other way. The SMTP protocol provides VRFY for exactly this purpose, but it is disabled on most servers. The closest approximation of email address exists is MX will accept mail for it. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (5.4°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules
sueandant wrote: Hi I'm not familiatr with the term top-post; could you please explain? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=top-post -- Per Jessen, Zürich (3.7°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP and HBCI?
Stephan Ebelt wrote: common is probably XML via HTTPS transport (at least my bank seems to do it that way). I have no C code whatsoever. Can PHP call arbitrary C functions? Then it might be possible to use AqHBCI/AqBanking somehow? You (or someone) would need to write a PHP wrapper for the C functions, but otherwise yes. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.9°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] What other languages do you use?
Nathan Rixham wrote: As per the subject, not what other languages have you used, but what other languages do you currently use? French, German, English and Danish. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (14.9°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] What other languages do you use?
Per Jessen wrote: Nathan Rixham wrote: As per the subject, not what other languages have you used, but what other languages do you currently use? French, German, English and Danish. Wrt programming languages (and variations thereof), in order of usage, I use C, PHP, C++, assembler, shell-script, XSLT with some occasional HTML and Javascript thrown in for good measure :-). -- Per Jessen, Zürich (15.1°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] What other languages do you use?
Nathan Rixham wrote: Per Jessen wrote: Nathan Rixham wrote: As per the subject, not what other languages have you used, but what other languages do you currently use? French, German, English and Danish. Forhåbentlig ikke alle zur en même temps Ork jo, das ist doch ikke ein Problem. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.9°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] What other languages do you use?
Per Jessen wrote: Nathan Rixham wrote: Per Jessen wrote: Nathan Rixham wrote: As per the subject, not what other languages have you used, but what other languages do you currently use? French, German, English and Danish. Forhåbentlig ikke alle zur en même temps Ork jo, das ist doch ikke ein Problem. Blimey, how did I manage to leave out two obviously il-y-a une probleme, after all. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.9°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: daemon
Colin Guthrie wrote: Yeah that's what I do too. Of course systemd will change everything initscript related, but I don't expect it to hit production servers for a while. Could easily be years - the init-sequence is only interesting at boot-time, and server runs for years (wel, mine certainly do). /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.9°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHPExcel with large files (27,000+ rows)
chris h wrote: I'm currently working on a project that requires the parsing of excel files. Basically the user uploads an excel file, and then a script needs to save a row in a Postgres database for each row in the excel file. The issue we are having is that when we task PHPExcel with parsing an excel file with, say 27k rows, it explodes with a memory error. I've read up on the PHPExcel forums and we've tried cell caching as well as ReadDataOnly, they do not seem to be sufficient. Does anyone here know of a way to do this? Surely there is a way to parse a large excel file with PHP. If your excel file is or can be transformed to XML, I would just use XSLT. No PHP needed. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (19.1°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Friday's Post
Peter Lind wrote: On 1 October 2010 20:21, Per Jessen p...@computer.org wrote: Peter Lind wrote: C# has by now exceeded Java by quite a bit - I've been away from the Java scene since 2002 (when I worked for BEA deploying J2EE on Linux/390), but assuming you're talking about deployed lines of code or some other real-life measurement, I find it hard to believe that C# should have exceeded Java. Language functionality. I'd much rather use C# than Java as I can do more in C# and easier than with Java. For instance, C# 4 has support for late binding to dynamic types. Does Java have an equivalent? Is it planned? I don't know, but Java obviously supports late binding. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (14.1°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Friday's Post
Peter Lind wrote: C# has by now exceeded Java by quite a bit - I've been away from the Java scene since 2002 (when I worked for BEA deploying J2EE on Linux/390), but assuming you're talking about deployed lines of code or some other real-life measurement, I find it hard to believe that C# should have exceeded Java. and is, unlike Java, very actively maintained and has fairly frequent releases with lots of new functionality (4.0 was released this year and has functionality that definitely makes me consider taking it on). Almost every newer programming language in the world has gone further than Fortran, C, Cobol and PL/I, but they're all very much alive and kicking. And will each individually probably be able to muster more deployed lines of code than any other language. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.1°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP DNS resolving in chroot-ed environment
Georgi Hristozov wrote: Hello, I'm running a Gentoo-hardened box with PHP 5.2.14-pl0-gentoo (Suhosin included) and Apache 2.2.16. mod_php is running in a chroot, using mpm_peruser. Everything works OK, except the PHP DNS resolving, which I need to access HTTP resources. It fails with both the curl and http extensions. With some stracing of the Apache child processes I found that PHP is trying to access the following files: hosts, nsswitch.conf, resolv.conf and the libnss libraries. Just being pedantic: not actually PHP, but the resolver. I've copied them to the chroot, but the resolving still fails. strace showed failed accesses to /dev/urandom and /dev/log, but mounting /dev in the chroot didn't help. What does your strace show when you have mounted /dev in your chroot (with -o bind) ? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (10.1°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] php cli question
J Ravi Menon wrote: Few questions: 1) Does opcode cache really matter in such cli-based daemons? As 'SomeClass' is instantiated at every loop, I am assuming it is only compiled once as it has already been 'seen'. Yup. 2) What about garbage collection? In a standard apache-mod-php setup, we rely on the end of a request-cycle to free up resources - close file descriptiors, free up memory etc.. I am assuming in the aforesaid standalone daemon case, we would have to do this manually? Yes. Note: I have written pre-forker deamons in php directly and successfully deployed them in the past, but never looked at in depth to understand all the nuances. Anecdotally, I have done 'unset()' at some critical places were large arrays were used, and I think it helped. AFAIK, unlike Java, there is no 'garbage collector' thread that does all the magic? Correct. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.9°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] php cli question
J Ravi Menon wrote: On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Per Jessen p...@computer.org wrote: J Ravi Menon wrote: Few questions: 1) Does opcode cache really matter in such cli-based daemons? As 'SomeClass' is instantiated at every loop, I am assuming it is only compiled once as it has already been 'seen'. Yup. Just to clarify, you mean we don't need the op-code cache here right? That is correct. 2) What about garbage collection? In a standard apache-mod-php setup, we rely on the end of a request-cycle to free up resources - close file descriptiors, free up memory etc.. I am assuming in the aforesaid standalone daemon case, we would have to do this manually? Yes. So 'unset($some_big_array)' or 'unset($some_big_object)' etc.. is the right way to go for non-resource based items? i.e. it needs to be explicitly done? It's not quite like C - if you reassign something, the previous contents are automagically freed. I use unset() if I know it could be a while (hours) before it'll likely be reassigned, but it won't be used in the meantime. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (14.6°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] 1984 (Big Brother)
tedd wrote: Hi gang: I have a client who wants his employees' access to their online business database restricted to only times when he is logged on. (Don't ask why) In other words, when the boss is not logged on, then his employees cannot access the business database in any fashion whatsoever including checking to see if the boss is logged on, or not. No access whatsoever! Normally, I would just set up a field in the database and have that set to yes or no as to if the employees could access the database, or not. But in this case, the boss does not want even that type of access to the database permitted. Repeat -- No access whatsoever! I was thinking of the boss' script writing to a file that accomplished the yes or no thing, but if the boss did not log off properly then the file would remain in the yes state allowing employees undesired access. That would not be acceptable. So, what methods would you suggest? I would ask the boss to confirm his presence maybe once an hour and only allow employees access when the last such confirmation is less than an hour old. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (21.4°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Standalone WebServer for PHP
Steve Staples wrote: Ok, here it goes... I am building an app, that requires a web interface. I am using PHP becuase I am familiar with it. Most of the app's i've been looking at, use Python, Cherry.py and stuff, but what I was wondering, is is there a way to create a php CLI app, that creates it's own web server even if apache is installed. Yep, that's no big deal. A webserver is just some code that listens for requests on port XX, processes the requests and sends back suitably formatted responses. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.2°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] SSI not working on PHP files with Apache
Michael Alaimo wrote: Does special configuration have to take place with PHP to let apache process server side include files that are HTML documents? PHP doesn't care, but you will need to configure apache to do both SSI and PHP processing. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.8°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Secure Communication?
tedd wrote: And then there is the security involved in what happens *if* your server is hacked and all your private data is seen by a third party. What does all that entail -- and -- how you might be able protect yourself should be paramount in every developer's mind. IMHO, not in a normal context. A developer needs to be able to trust that the server is as secure as the organisation expects. In addition, access to the database can happen if the user-name and password are kept in a file, or code, that is exposed to the hacker after hacking. Everything is exposed. If somebody gains unauthorized access to your system, assume the worst. Now, how likely is it that a server might be hacked -- again, I don't know. If it's not secured, 100%. So, if you want to secure your data on a server, it means that you should take steps to do that and not rely upon the host to do that for you. Like I said, it would be nice to have a server guru wade in on this to clarify things. There isn't really a lot to clarify. To reduce the risk of a server being compromised: impose physical access controls. limit the open services, and run a firewall. make sure your open services are secure (latest patches etc). To reduce the impact should it get compromised anyway: run your server in a DMZ. run SElinux or AppArmor for access control. do not store important passwords on the server. If all of that isn't really within your reach because you don't have your own server - get your own server and secure it. A leased server is available for e.g. EUR50/month and that money is better spent than you spending hour after hour trying to secure your application to run on an insecure server. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (10.4°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Questions about $_SERVER
Jason Pruim wrote: My understanding of how shared hosting works would make this near impossible... Basically Apache grabs a header that is sent at the initial connection which includes the destination hostname and from there it translates it to the proper directory on the shared host. All the IP's though are based off of the parent site's server... Now with dedicated hosting where you have the entire machine you can do what you are looking at because the IP address will always translate back to your website. AFAICT, Tedd was not asking about the server, he's asking about the client. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.2°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Secure Communication?
tedd wrote: Hi gangl: I realize that the problem stated herein has been solved by others, so I'm not claiming I've done anything new -- it's only new to me. It was a learning experience for *me* and my solution may help others. In any event, I've finished creating a method for establishing what I think is secure communication between two servers. First thought - you're reinventing the wheel. When I connect to a server via https, I have secure communication. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.5°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Secure Communication?
Jim Lucas wrote: Per Jessen wrote: tedd wrote: Hi gangl: I realize that the problem stated herein has been solved by others, so I'm not claiming I've done anything new -- it's only new to me. It was a learning experience for *me* and my solution may help others. In any event, I've finished creating a method for establishing what I think is secure communication between two servers. First thought - you're reinventing the wheel. When I connect to a server via https, I have secure communication. First, it isn't the connection that he is trying to secure. He admits to using HTTPS in his connections already. I didn't bother reading far enough I guess. What I think he is trying to prevent (correct me if I'm wrong) is access to the data on the opposite server. He wants to make sure that the access to this data is only able to be done by the remote server. If that is the objective, it's perhaps best solved by using TLS with a client certificate/key. Well, that's what I would do. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (15.6°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Secure Communication?
tedd wrote: Like in this example, I use HTTPS in all the steps yet one responder said use HTTPS. That means: 1) He didn't understand what I was saying; 2) He didn't read what I wrote, which probably the reason for #1. You said secure communication, which (in this context) is quite clearly HTTP + TLS. I didn't bother reading the rest because I had already had trouble understanding your previous questions. Also, as per another responders statement, using a SSL does not necessarily mean that the server is more secure. Yes, it has no bearing on the security of the server, but using TLS means the communication is. If you then also use client-side certificates, you're really quite safe. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (15.4°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Questions about $_SERVER
tedd wrote: Hi gang: The server global: $_SERVER['SERVER_ADDR'] Provides the IP of the server where the current script is executing. And, the server global: $_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'] Provides the IP of the server executing the script. Yes, aka the client address. As such, you can enter the IP of either into a browser and see that specific domain. Huh? If my server is 192.168.29.104 and my client is 192.168.29.114, I might get the default website on the server address, and nothing on the client (assuming it is not running a webserver). However, that doesn't work when you are dealing with shared hosting. Doing that will show you to the parent domain, but not the child domain (i.e., alias). So, how can I identify the exact location of the 'server_addr' and of the 'remote_addr' on shared hosting? Is that possible? $_SERVER['SERVER_NAME'] will tell you the name of the virtual host - I don't know if that is what you're after. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.2°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Web application architecture (subdomain vs. sub directory)
Tim Martens wrote: Based on advice here and elsewhere, I think we're tending toward a an no framework MVC approach and sub-directory model to get started. As Per so elegantly stated The subdirectory approach is easily rewritten to an internal subdomain structure. So if we need to pivot to a subdomain model we can do so. Just to clarify - I meant rewritten as in Apache URL rewriting. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (20.4°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Web application architecture (subdomain vs. sub directory)
Tim Martens wrote: Thanks for all your answers. To clarify my question, I'm looking for advice regarding how best to set up users for a web app, e.g., username.myapp.com vs myapp.com/username and the pros and cons of each. Using username.myapp.com means defining that name in your DNS and having a separate virtual host definition in your apache config. Using myapp.com/username means having one virtual host, and no extra DNS records. One is not necessarily better or worse than the other - to me it's mostly about presentation and I would go for the myapp.com/username option. This (in my mind) puts username a level lower than myapp, whereas username.myapp.com does the opposite. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.7°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Web application architecture (subdomain vs. sub directory)
Shreyas Agasthya wrote: I am not sure who the end-users are for your website but if you are concerned about scalability, I would definitely go for a sub-domain approach. Assuming you approach a CDN like Akamai and you want to offload the traffic to come from the cloud, it's lot easier for you to integrate with them and to maintain. The subdirectory approach, whereas, is very cumbersome and takes more work at your end to paraphrase the whole set-up should the needs change going forward. The subdirectory approach is easily rewritten to an internal subdomain structure. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.7°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Web application architecture (subdomain vs. sub directory)
Peter Lind wrote: On 26 August 2010 08:08, Per Jessen p...@computer.org wrote: Tim Martens wrote: Thanks for all your answers. To clarify my question, I'm looking for advice regarding how best to set up users for a web app, e.g., username.myapp.com vs myapp.com/username and the pros and cons of each. Using username.myapp.com means defining that name in your DNS and having a separate virtual host definition in your apache config. While offtopic and nothing to do with PHP I think this should be corrected: you can set a *.yourdomain rule which matches all subdomains not explicitly set. So no, you do not need to define every single name as a DNS record. Good point. Not sure I would personally want to use wildcards, but it's perfectly valid. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.7°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How verify whether browser arrived via IPv6, IPv4, domain or number
Leith Bade wrote: I want to take $_SERVER['SERVER_NAME'] and figure out whether the user arrived by typing an IPv6-only, IPv4-only or dual IPv4/IPv6 DNS address. It should also handle the case where the user enters a numeric address in one of the formats the sockets inet_addr() function can handle. Such as IPv4/IPv6 dotted decimal, octal, hex, DWORD, etc. So far I have thought up this: 1. Use gethostbyname($_SERVER['SERVER_NAME']) to get an address 2. Check this address to see if it is IPv4/IPv6 Will this always work? gethostbyname() does not return any IPv6 addresses. You need getaddrinfo(), but that is AFAIK not yet implemented for php. Also what is the best way in php to check if an address is IPv4 or IPv6? preg_match() ? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.2°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] the state of the PHP community
Nathan Rixham wrote: What other languages and web techs do you currently use other than PHP? - if you include html or css please include version, if js then preferred libs, and whether client or server side. C, C++, assembler, xhtml, css2, xslt1, javascript(client), shell-script. What's your previous language/tech trail? REXX, PL/I, Smalltalk. Are you considering any new languages or techs, and if so which? Not really. Is PHP your hobby/interest, primary development language, just learning or? It's just one of many things I need to run my business. How many years have you been using PHP regularly? 7-8. How many years have you been working with web technologies? 7-8. Did you come from a non-web programming background? Yes. Is your primary role web developer or designer? Nope. In your developer life, are you an employer, and employee, contractor, freelancer, part of a team of equal standing members? An employer. Do you tend to work on jobs for geo-local clients, clients in the same country, or do you work internationally 'on the web'? I only work for me. How do you get your projects? do they come to you, word of mouth, do you hunt and bid for projects, code call, visit clients, target clients individually you think you can help, or? See above. Do you network with other PHP'ers in real life - meetups etc, do you tend to shy away, or do you find you circulate in other web related but non PHP focussed communities? No and no. Are you a member or any other web tech communities, opensource efforts, or standardization bodies - again, if so which? ACM, IEEE, openSUSE. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.4°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] the state of the PHP community
Bob McConnell wrote: In chronological order - Languages: [snip] C++ (Still don't understand the purpose of objects or classes). Two words - encapsulation and abstraction. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.1°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] the state of the PHP community
Nathan Rixham wrote: (shared) hosts and in developer+projects - but I also worry that it doesn't change with the times quick enough, + the core doesn't have the same hacker + iterative development focus anymore, contrast other languages which get major functionality added at minor revisions, and minor revisions every few days/weeks and there certainly is something to worry about. This said, perhaps the worry is primarily on a personal basis with developers loosing time invested in PHP were they to move off to other languages. Real worries in the PHP core for me, are the huge ignorance and lack of native support for HTTP (which is somewhat ironic), lack of support for NoSQL + RDF tooling, and also support + implementations of the new sets of webapps APIs. None of that is very 'core' to me - it's the stuff for libraries. When there's a sufficient need, it'll appear. Overall, the general sentiment of 'if it can be done in userland, let it be done there' isn't always the best approach (although I understand the arguments to the contrary) - ultimately though, PHP does feel 'stale' comparatively. If you look at PHP as a language with a set of libraries, the language itself is as 'stale' as maybe C or Java or assembler - the language shouldn't change all that often, nor should the core libraries, but everything else is free to do whatever. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.0°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: RE: [PHP] the state of the PHP community
Bob McConnell wrote: From: Per Jessen Bob McConnell wrote: In chronological order - Languages: [snip] C++ (Still don't understand the purpose of objects or classes). Two words - encapsulation and abstraction. Both of which are euphemisms that simply mean obfuscation. Certainly not. All structured languages have abstraction and encapsulation. The minute you write a function or procedure, you are abstracting and encapsulating. C++ (Smalltalk, Eiffel et al) are just very focused on those to concepts. I learned very early in my professional career to eschew obfuscation, so they don't impress me at all. In addition, I really don't do abstraction well. I have trouble when I have to deal with more than two levels of indirection. Having written and debugged a _lot_ of real-time applications and device drivers, in both assembler and C, I am much more comfortable with the concrete, like managing I/O registers, interrupt controllers and circular buffers. I used to write system software for StorageTek (HSC, VTCS, Librarystation), been there, done that. It doesn't mean I can't appreciate the qualities in encapsulation and abstraction. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (20.6°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] socket multithreading problem
Ümit CAN wrote: I use PHP socket programming and I wish multithreading operation of the socket . Don't use PHP, use C - it'll save you a lot of trouble in this context. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (15.4°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] exec output to mySQL, How?
Tom Sparks wrote: How do I take the output from a command line program and update a MYSQL database with it? command line program | mysql -u user -p -Ddatabase -- Per Jessen, Zürich (22.6°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] exec output to mySQL, How?
Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Per Jessen p...@computer.org wrote: Tom Sparks wrote: How do I take the output from a command line program and update a MYSQL database with it? command line program | mysql -u user -p -Ddatabase I don't think this is what he needs? Otherwise why would he post on a PHP list lol. Who knows, but I answered his question. Besides, he doesn't need PHP to do mysql updates with output from a command line program. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (23.3°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Image Replication
Dan Joseph wrote: Hi, I'm wondering how you all are doing image replication between servers. I've got some things in mind, but I'd like to see how others have done it. We have a PHP application that accepts an image upload, then we want it to show up on the other 2 web servers. We have 3 in a load balanced cluster. Linux servers. How did you go about it? rsync triggered by inotify. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (27.8°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] php -l - does it find *anything*?
Gary . wrote:
Yeah. There are static checkers out there, even some FOSS ones. I
guess I'm just a bit frustrated that (as you say) the man page says
that -l checks syntax but doesn't really detail what kind of things
that covers.
It really is _only_ the syntax. Same goes for e.g. the C lint -
int main()
{
char *p;
p=0;
*p=0;
}
this is 100% syntactically correct, but will core dump if you run it.
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Re: [PHP] HTML in emails
Paul M Foster wrote: Here is the real problem with HTML email. Any straight text message will swell to many times its size when you HTML-ize it. Okay, so now you're sending the message around the internet to perhaps hundreds or thousands of users, using up many times the bandwidth that the actual message really needs. It's like installing a 100w light bulb when a 60w will do. There's simply no reason to suck CPU cycles all over the internet just to make your message prettier. In principle, I agree - in practice, CPU cycles are getting cheaper by the minute, and being wasted all the time. Not using HTML is highly unlikely to have a measurable impact on anybodys CPU cycles. Besides, HTML is not just about making the message prettier. A number of times I have experienced that important system notifications (from our systems to customers') were simply ignored, apparently due to being plain text. We decided to jazz them up a bit, and it worked. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (25.6°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] HTML in emails
Al wrote: I know this is a bit off-topic; but close enough. I'm starting to update the email feature of one of my DB applications and noticed that it appears most of the fancy emails I receive are using just plain old, simple html pages, with a note about not being able to see, go here with a link. It use to be that we specified content-type text/html, etc. and sent both the plain ASCII and the html with boundaries and so forth. Yes, multipart/alternative that was. Seems like, from my preliminary Google searching, I should not waste time with the standard's way and just go straight to sending simple html pages since all modern browsers handle it well. And, it appears to be the way web is going. What are you folks doing? We follow the standard and send both text and html. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (24.5°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] HTML in emails
Rick Pasotto wrote: On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 06:31:38PM +0200, Per Jessen wrote: We follow the standard and send both text and html. The text portion is the *only* portion I read. Cool, that is the whole point. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (24.3°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] protecting email addresses on a web site
David Mehler wrote: Hello, I've got a site that is needing to have two email addresses on it, one for general contact and information and the other for webmaster for site problems. I do not want these addresses to become harvested by spammers yet i want to make it possible for people to email if needed. I can not use javascript for this solution. I wouldn't bother - you won't escape the spammers anyway. :-( -- Per Jessen, Zürich (15.9°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] protecting email addresses on a web site
Ashley Sheridan wrote: Unfortunately, you can't get away with just a contact form these days if you're a business, as it's a legal requirement in some countries to have a contact details available, and not just a contact form. Do you have specifics? I've never heard of such a requirement. Notwithstanding Ash's assertion, I would suggest a contact form. The email address is effectively hidden, and you can apply CAPTCHA to the form to cut down on bot spam. It also introduces some discipline on the user, and potentially allows you to categorize inquiries (making it easier to pass them on to the proper person). You can also have a pick list on the form which details which person you'd like the form to be sent to. In general, on contact forms or about us pages, I include some physical address and possibly a phone number. This might satisfy Ash's requirement for contact details. Paul It's not my requirement, it's been a legal requirement in the UK for 3 years now. It's a pretty common EU requirement for anything business related. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.0°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] getaddrinfo() - what is the equivalent php function?
Per Jessen wrote: AFAICT, gethostbyname() only works for ipv4 addresses, so that one is out - dns_get_record seems to be really for dns only, i.e. it does not look at /etc/hosts. Is there a hph function that essentially just calls getaddrinfo() ? Wow, lots of answers to that one. Let me rephrase it then - what is the PHP interface to the system resolver when support for IPv6 is required? Again, gethostbyname() only works for IPv4 and dns_get_record is not a resolver interface, but a DNS interface. (AFAICT). -- Per Jessen, Zürich (14.9°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] getaddrinfo() - what is the equivalent php function?
AFAICT, gethostbyname() only works for ipv4 addresses, so that one is out - dns_get_record seems to be really for dns only, i.e. it does not look at /etc/hosts. Is there a hph function that essentially just calls getaddrinfo() ? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (19.1°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Really impressive work
tedd wrote: Now, I realize that this company did not take 15 factorial pictures of this single piece of jewelry to present all these different combinations but instead placed smaller images of each of the stones at specific coordinates on the larger image of the jewelry. I imagine that each piece of jewelry must have the coordinates of each setting in a database so that they can on-the-fly assemble the finished product as per user's direction. For example, let's take the image of the basket pendant showing three stones. Each of the stone locations would have a specific pixel placement (i.e., x,y). As such, the database would have a field for the image and three location fields for stones 1, 2, and 3. Now, we also have smaller images of 12 different stones (in heads) that are all the same size. Thus, as the user picks the stones and positions they want and the image is assembled on the fly. Is that the way you see this? Yes - each picture is basically a base + a number of overlays. Quickly done with e.g. libgd or some such. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (8.9°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] What is wrong with this code?
Gary . wrote:
class Pg_Error
{
private static $errors =
array(INTEGRITY_CONST_UNIQUE = 'uniqueness constraint
violated');
...
public static function getMessage($ec)
{
$text = '';
if (array_key_exists($ec, Pg_Error::$errors))
{
$text = Pg_Error::$errors[$ec];
}
return $text;
}
...
}
?
Calling it, the array_key_exists call always returns false:
$this-assertEquals('uniqueness constraint violated',
Pg_Error::getMessage(Pg_Error::INTEGRITY_CONST_UNIQUE));
and I can't see what I've done wrong :(
Might this be better:
public static function getMessage($ec)
{
$text = '';
if (array_key_exists($ec, $errors))
{
$text = $errors[$ec];
}
return $text;
}
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Re: [PHP] getting content exceprts from the database
Ashley Sheridan wrote: Here's the rub though. As the content is in HTML form, I can't just grab the first 100 characters and display them as that could leave an open tag without a closing one, potentially breaking the page. I could use strip_tags on the 100-character excerpt, but what if the excerpt itself broke a tag in half (i.e. acronym title=something could become acron ) The only solutions I can see are: * retrieve the entire article, perform a strip_tags and then take the excerpt * use a regex inside of mysql to pull out only the text - parse the HTML and extract the text elements. If the HTML is well-formed, this is relatively easily done with XSL, if not, you might need to use Beautiful Soup or similar. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.1°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: replying to list (I give up)
Michiel Sikma wrote: On 24 April 2010 16:14, Per Jessen p...@computer.org wrote: Ashley Sheridan wrote: Is there an actual WoW client for Linux or you run in Wine like environment? Thanks, Tommy I run it under Wine. Wine has come a long way since my first encounters with it a few years back and run a surprising amount of Windows-based software. Doesn't WoW need DirectX and all that? I have some old Windows games (Diablo, Alpha Centauri, Railroad Tycoon, Wolfenstein) I'd love to play under Wine, but so far I've not managed to make them work. The best way to run old games is via DOSBox. http://www.dosbox.com/ Yes, I do use that too, but will it also run Windows games?? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (13.1°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: replying to list (I give up)
Ashley Sheridan wrote: Is there an actual WoW client for Linux or you run in Wine like environment? Thanks, Tommy I run it under Wine. Wine has come a long way since my first encounters with it a few years back and run a surprising amount of Windows-based software. Doesn't WoW need DirectX and all that? I have some old Windows games (Diablo, Alpha Centauri, Railroad Tycoon, Wolfenstein) I'd love to play under Wine, but so far I've not managed to make them work. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (19.7°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Hello everybody - php newbie from switzerland
Dan Joseph wrote: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:38 PM, David McGlone da...@dmcentral.net wrote: Are we gonna have to have a discussion on the use of threading? LOL We just might. Personally, I use it to sow holes in the toe of my socks. My newsreader supports threading. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (7.4°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] replying to list
David McGlone wrote: I use Evolution, Kmail, and occasionally lookout and all of them are decent e-mail clients. Also, of all the mailing lists I am on, this is the only one that, when replying it goes to the OP and not the list. http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html I haven't checked, but I think all the lists I am on behave like this one. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (14.8°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)
David McGlone wrote: I give up. trying to reply to messages on this list is tedious. I can't pinpoint whether it's because the list is set up to make replies go to the OP or the OP has his reply-to in his mail client set, or most people are hitting the reply-to button instead of simply reply. Did you try Reply-All ? That usually does it for me. It just doesn't make sense to me, why be on the mailing list if it hinders having a group discussion without having to jump through hurdles. It also defeats the purpose of being on a group list if replying sends the reply to the OP. Reply-All. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.2°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)
David McGlone wrote: Also, I do not want this discussion to turn into a flame war or anything of such. I am simply just trying to have a discussion and learn why and how there is different behavior here, but not anywhere else. David, the PHP list behaves like hundreds or thousands of others in this respect. Of course there are also lists that work the other way, but the PHP list is far from alone. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.0°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] replying to list (I give up)
David McGlone wrote: On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 17:07 +0200, Per Jessen wrote: David McGlone wrote: Also, I do not want this discussion to turn into a flame war or anything of such. I am simply just trying to have a discussion and learn why and how there is different behavior here, but not anywhere else. David, the PHP list behaves like hundreds or thousands of others in this respect. Of course there are also lists that work the other way, but the PHP list is far from alone. It could be just me, but it seems to me this behavior is mostly PHP list specific. Some examples of other lists that behave the same: ntp-general linux-kernel spamassassin-general rrdtool-users opensuse-* nasm-users isdn4linux asterisk-users postfix-users dovecot-general -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.5°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to do i18n better?
Ashley Sheridan wrote: That's the check I did on the last site i worked on (vicestyle.com) The user agent string is checked for a language and the site uses that. If none is found (bearing in mind that there's no hard and fast rule about what can go into a UA string) then it defaults to English. The language preference is not set in the UA string, it is set in the Accept-Language header along with the priority. Links within the site itself allow the user to change their language afterwards, and you could store that in a cookie to it remembers their choice. The standard in Apache is 'prefer-language'. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.4°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to do i18n better?
Ashley Sheridan wrote: On Tue, 2010-04-20 at 20:27 +0200, Per Jessen wrote: Ashley Sheridan wrote: That's the check I did on the last site i worked on (vicestyle.com) The user agent string is checked for a language and the site uses that. If none is found (bearing in mind that there's no hard and fast rule about what can go into a UA string) then it defaults to English. The language preference is not set in the UA string, it is set in the Accept-Language header along with the priority. [snip] I wasn't aware of that one, but I know most browsers send a language with part of the UA string Thanks, Ash Accept-Language, the 'prefer-language' cookie, the various apache config options etc. are all part of the Apache content-negotiation setup/framework. On our website(s), I rely entirely on Accept-Language. In the very rare case where it isn't set, I set a default based on the IP-address of the client. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (8.4°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to enable mail function with postfix supported.
ttplayer wrote: Hello, The PHP mail function works well with sendmail installed, however, when I install the postfix instead of sendmail , the PHP mail function can't work normally. Why? How can I do with the problem? Start by describing the problem in detail. Postfix comes with its own sendmail equivalent, yuo should not have any problem using postfix. I certainly don't. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (8.2°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to do i18n better?
Andre Polykanine wrote: etc. I know that PHP does support somehow exporting the strings into a .pod file. Maybe it would be better to do that? If so, how can I do it? Could you suggest me maybe a better solution than we currently have? For mostly dynamic messages or pages, I would take a look at the gettext() mechanism: http://php.net/manual/en/book.gettext.php -- Per Jessen, Zürich (14.9°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: optimizing PHP for microseconds
Bastien Helders wrote: I have a question as a relatively novice PHP developper. Let's say you have this Intranet web application, that deals with the generation of file bundles that could become quite large (let say in the 800 MB) after some kind of selection process. It should be available to many users on this Intranet, but shouldn't require any installation. Would it be a case where optimizing for microseconds would be recommended? Or would PHP not be the language of choice? Not enough data. However, given that it will undoubtedly take seconds to assemble one such bundle, microseconds are probably not important. Depends on how many of those bundles you expect to be able to produce per minute/hour/day as well as what is supposed to happen with them after they've been assembled. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (10.8°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Allowing multiple, simultaneous, non-blocking queries.
Richard Quadling wrote: Hi. As I understand things, one of the main issues in the When will PHP grow up thread was the ability to issue multiple queries in parallel via some sort of threading mechanism. Due to the complete overhaul required of the core and extensions to support userland threading, the general consensus was a big fat No!. Maybe a Thanks, but no thanks. As I understand things, it is possible, in userland, to use multiple, non-blocking sockets for file I/O (something I don't seem to be able to achieve on Windows http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=47918). Can this process be leveraged to allow for non-blocking queries? Being able to throw out multiple non-blocking queries would allow for the queries in parallel issue. My understanding is that at the base level, all queries are running on a socket in some way, so isn't this facility nearly already there in some way? AFAICT (i.e. without having tried it), myqlnd enables you to do asynchronous queries on mysql - the docuementation is a little lacking. Personally speaking, that would be my first avenue of attack. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (8.2°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] RE: optimizing PHP for microseconds
Daevid Vincent wrote: Was that someone me? I do that. And if you don't, then you're the kind of person I would not hire (not saying that to sound mean). If you do, I'd would be careful about hiring you. To me, optimizing for microseconds in PHP means loss of focus. I use single quotes instead of double where applicable. I use -- instead of ++. I use $boolean = !$boolean to alternate (instead of mod() or other incrementing solutions). I use LIMIT 1 on select, update, delete where appropriate. I use the session to cache the user and even query results. Most of that is just sound practice, not optimizing, imho. Optimizing is what you do later. I come from the video game world where gaining a frame or two of animation per second matters. It makes your game feel less choppy and more fluid and therefore more fun to play. Well, if you were writing PHP video games, I can totally appreciate optimizing for microseconds. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (11.4°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Will PHP ever grow up and have threading?
Peter Lind wrote: Anyway, I don't think either of us will change point of view much at this point - so we should probably just give the mailing list a rest by now. Thanks for the posts, it's been interesting to read :) Most of it. +1 -- Per Jessen, Zürich (11.6°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Will PHP ever grow up and have threading?
Daevid Vincent wrote: Well, since I was the one that started this shit-storm, I'll chime in for a minute... ;-) If you added threading to the bag of tricks it already has, you're getting into areas that make it more difficult to pick up for beginners (and that's not to mention the technical elements involved in actually adding threading to PHP) Currently the only other 'easy' language I know for beginners is ColdFusion, and that's just horrible. You wouldn't want to be responsible for sending the newbies down that path would you?! :p I'm sorry. I didn't realize PHP was designed for beginers. There is something about the entire environment that makes coding PHP for a webpage attractive to beginners. The runtime is your web-browser, you don't need to compile anything, you just edit, and hit F5. Combine that with weak typing and an easy syntax, and you've got something that is easy to pick up. Contrast that with perhaps Java and j2ee, a language and a framework often used in large, long term projects with long life expectancies - not really a beginners sandbox. You all think to shallow and narrow minded. You keep thinking in terms of using PHP as simply a web language. You need to think in terms of using it like Perl, Python, Ruby, Java, C/++, etc. Computers do a lot more than just spit out web pages these days. I know most of you seem to only think in terms of the cloud and other stupid technologies like that, but there's a great big world of computing that doesn't. There's no reason that PHP shouldn't be a viable language to use in those arenas either. PHP is perfectly viable for those areas today. I wouldn't personally use it for anything non-web unless it is less than 1000 lines. My experience has taught me not to (not just PHP, any script language). Spot on again. I have maybe 12 YEARS of PHP expertise, knowledge, libraries, tools, code snippets, etc that are battle tested and hardened and improved constantly. Now I'd have to toss all that out just to write some things in a language that has threading -- something that is a given in most EVERY other language. Actually, most don't have it built-in, it usually comes in separate libraries and is an operating-system feature, not a language feature. Two notable exceptions I can think of are Ada and PL/1. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (11.4°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Will PHP ever grow up and have threading?
Tommy Pham wrote: I think you're missing my point. Given your current hardware, software, product list, etc... how long does it take to run your queries in series? If you were able to run them in parallel and deliver faster response time to the users, would you implement PHP thread, if it's available? I mentioned it yesterday, but perhaps you overlooked it - the mysqlnd driver supports asynchronous queries. If you really have an issue with the elapse time of sequential, but independent database queries, executing them asynchronously is the obvious solution. (apart from tuning the database, but I'm assuming you've already been there). -- Per Jessen, Zürich (11.9°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Will PHP ever grow up and have threading?
Tommy Pham wrote: As such, let's dissect what you mentioned: 1) PHP with internal thread support 2) PHP with external C/C++ thread support That's not quite what I mentioned, but I'll accept it for the sake of argument. * Performance - having external thread support, now you have to call an extension (more memory usage and CPU cycles). Tommy, you are already using millions of more cycles by running PHP instead of C. It's a reasonable trade-off of course, but using more cycles is not a valid counter-argument. If you happen to have a C/C++ guru who can then code that thread support into PHP extension, wouldn't it still perform better at the core vs as an extension because it's not talking to a 'middle man'? It's another trade-off Tommy - you run two separate processes, talking to each other over TCP (for instance) to gain 1) performance and 2) flexibility/scalability. You gain performance by having processes that can be independently scheduled by the OS, and you gain flexibility by being able to move a process to another box (for scalability). You pay for that with a few thousand cycles. When you decide to use a database (e.g. mysql) you also make a trade-off - well-managed data, a structured query-language and some overhead vs. doing it all in your own code. * Portability - if you're currently running PHP on Windows, but manage to convince management to switch to *BSD/Linux, then you'd have to rewrite that external thread support. If portability is a concern, I'd make sure my threaded backend would run on all the platforms I could envision. Portability is merely one of many factors that affect choice of programming language. * Managability - should your need to upgrade PHP for either bug fix, new features you'd want to implement to add more functionality to your site, will that then break your custom external solution? How much more manageable is it if it's done under 1 language versus 2+? I said it yesterday already - having a single implementation language IS a positive, but it may not always be possible due to requirements. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.3°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Will PHP ever grow up and have threading?
Tommy Pham wrote: I don't use Linux nor an expert in it but implementing custom thread solution like that means understanding about SELinux vs AppArmor vs Grsecurity or am I wrong? Yes, you are wrong. The Posix thread model implemented in the pthread library in Linux is easy to pick up for anyone who has studied computer science - where he or she will already have been introduced to mutexes, semaphores, the Dining Philosophers, race conditions, deadlocks and such. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.6°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Will PHP ever grow up and have threading?
Tommy Pham wrote: As some of you mention that implementing threads will make the DB work harder than the standard serial operations queries, let me ask you these then: * How often does your DB server(s)/cluster utilizes 100% CPU (SMP/MC), memory, and disk IO? Assuming we're talking under heavy load - my database server is an old(ish) HP Proliant ML570 - 4 x 3GHz Xeons with HT, dual U320 SCSI busses, 48GB RAM : CPU 100% - rarely, but it happens. Memory 100% - all the time. Disk IO 100% - less than all the time, but it's very busy. * If you could implement threads and run those same queries in 2+ threads, the total time saved from queries execution is 1/2 sec or more, which is pass along as the total response time reduced. Is it worth it for you implement threads if you're a speed freak? Use mysqlnd - asynchronous mysql queries. (I remember a list member, not mentioning his name, does optimization of PHP coding for just microseconds. Do you think how much more he'd benefit from this?) Anyone who optimizes PHP for microseconds has lost touch with reality - or at least forgotten that he or she is using an interpreted language. * If the requests are executed in parallel, the sooner the request fulfillment completes, the faster it is to move to the next request and complete it right? Correct. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.7°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Will PHP ever grow up and have threading?
Per Jessen wrote: CPU 100% - rarely, but it happens. Memory 100% - all the time. Disk IO 100% - less than all the time, but it's very busy. FYI, it's actually quite difficult to drive a disk subsystem to consistent 100% utilization over a period of time. Oracle uses asynchronous I/O and could probably drive a disk subsystem quite hard, but AFAIK, mysql doesn't. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (13.9°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Will PHP ever grow up and have threading?
Tommy Pham wrote: On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:46 AM, Per Jessen p...@computer.org wrote: * If you could implement threads and run those same queries in 2+ threads, the total time saved from queries execution is 1/2 sec or more, which is pass along as the total response time reduced. Is it worth it for you implement threads if you're a speed freak? Use mysqlnd - asynchronous mysql queries. You're assuming that everyone in the PHP world uses MySQL 4.1 or newer. What about those who don't? They don't get to use threading, nor asynchronous mysql queries. Come on, you're asking about a future feature in PHP 7.x , but would like to support someone who is seriously backlevel on mysql?? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.9°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] A cleaner way to do this?
Paul Halliday wrote:
Is there any way to clean this up a bit?
This is what I usually do:
if ( ($matches=preg_match(linepattern1,text,match))0 )
{
// do stuff speicifc to linepattern1
}
else
if ( ($matches=preg_match(linepattern2,text,match))0 )
{
// do stuff speicifc to linepattern2
}
else
if ( ($matches=preg_match(linepattern3,text,match))0 )
{
}
else
if ( ($matches=preg_match(linepattern4,text,match))0 )
{
}
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Re: [PHP] Will PHP ever grow up and have threading?
Tommy Pham wrote: I'm presenting the argument for threading. Per is presenting the work around using asynchronous queries via mysqlnd. I did read that link a few days ago, Although the user can send multiple queries at once, multiple queries cannot be sent over a busy connection. If a query is sent while the connection is busy, it waits until the last query is finished and discards all its results. Which sounds like threads - multiple connections to not run into that problem. You must have read the wrong page. This is NOT about multiple queries, it's about _asynchronous_ queries. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (15.1°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Will PHP ever grow up and have threading?
Peter Lind wrote: I'm not against threads in PHP per se ... I just haven't seen a very convincing reason for them yet, which is why I'm not very positive about the thing. Roughly the same here - I don't think threading belongs in PHP, but if someone decides it's a good idea, I won't be arguing against someone volunteering the effort. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (15.7°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Will PHP ever grow up and have threading?
Tommy Pham wrote: Here's my analysis, let's say that you have 1000 requests / second on the web server. Each request has multiqueries which take a total of 1 second to complete. In that one second, how many of those 1000 arrive at the same time (that one instant of micro/nano second)? On average, exactly one per millisecond. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (15.4°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Will PHP ever grow up and have threading?
Tommy Pham wrote: The company started small. As their business grows because they have products services that do not exist in the marketplace, their hardware are already growing along side with it, (load balancers, clusters). So then your solution is buy bigger/more boxes? What if the their server room is filled and already using recent hardware. Same answer - buy a bigger box (i.e. serverroom). I would certainly also start a redesign from the ground up, but to solve the immediate problem, get more hardware. Their current business needs doesn't need to move to a bigger building. What then? Hire data center's services? What if they want to protect their proprietary break through products and services? Rent space and maybe hardware. That's what most businesses do. What about unnecessary additional total cost of ownership (licenses, power consumption, etc...) for more/bigger boxes, even if they have available space, that could be avoided by just implementing threads? If you believe threading is such a silver bullet, I really think you need to reconsider. This business has already invested in more hardware to satisfy demand, so the application has some scalability - presumably achieved by running multiple processes. Threads have some advantages over processes, but when your design doesn't take that into account anyway, why do you need threads? [snip] In summary, you're saying that PHP can not grow/evolve with business right? Certainly not. PHP is just a language, like most other programming languages, it doesn't grow nor does it evolve a lot. (the OOP paradigm is an example of where PHP evolved). I'm saying that a back-of-a-fag-packet design won't grow nor evolve very well, and its inevitable shortcomings will not be solved by bolting on threading. If the company started small and want to use available open source solutions, then grow quickly because of their unique and quality products and services, and become enterprise level with-in a few years, what then? Slow down business growth just so that IT can migrate everything to another language? Of all the enterprise applications I've seen, they used threads. Tommy, that's not about the language, that's a design issue. Run PHP in multiple processes, and you've got the parallelism you seem to seek. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (6.8°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
