new crypto things

[Robert Herman]

I am glad Cat asked about a git, since I was only aware of the download
site. Is this a semi-official repository, since I see Alex has made commits?
Is that a Retro implementation I see there? Is the image file only for
Linux PicoLisp RetroForth? Cool...
I see you also have Touretzky's code from his Common Lisp book there too.
This is a treasure for me. Is it 'advertised' anywhere? I know when I first
found PicoLisp, I needed resources like these. Thank you!

Rob

On Friday, April 22, 2016, Mike Pechkin > wrote:

>
> https://bitbucket.org/mihailp/tankfeeder/src
> folders: crypto and hash
> also you may interested in 4clojure and rosetta folders
>
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 5:48 PM, cat stevens 
> wrote:
>
>> PicoLisp has a git? Can I have a link?
>> On Apr 22, 2016 9:52 AM, "Mike Pechkin"  wrote:
>>
>>> hi all,
>>>
>>> my new code in repo:
>>>
>>> hash: adler32, crc64, fnv, siphash
>>> crypto: grostl, rc2, rc5, rc6, camellia, idea
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>

Re: Is this the right place for bugs / questions about PilOS?

[Danilo Kordic]

0.0 It is alive!  Acer AOD270 (Intel Atom N2600).
  `` PilOS 15.11.0
 Heap: 1010MiB
 :
   ''

I downloaded pios.tgz a few minutes ago, or so it feels ;) .  Just `dd'ed
x86-64.img.

Re: new crypto things

[Mike Pechkin]

https://bitbucket.org/mihailp/tankfeeder/src
folders: crypto and hash
also you may interested in 4clojure and rosetta folders

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 5:48 PM, cat stevens 
wrote:

> PicoLisp has a git? Can I have a link?
> On Apr 22, 2016 9:52 AM, "Mike Pechkin"  wrote:
>
>> hi all,
>>
>> my new code in repo:
>>
>> hash: adler32, crc64, fnv, siphash
>> crypto: grostl, rc2, rc5, rc6, camellia, idea
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>

Re: new crypto things

[cat stevens]

PicoLisp has a git? Can I have a link?
On Apr 22, 2016 9:52 AM, "Mike Pechkin"  wrote:

> hi all,
>
> my new code in repo:
>
> hash: adler32, crc64, fnv, siphash
> crypto: grostl, rc2, rc5, rc6, camellia, idea
>
>
> Mike
>
>

new crypto things

[Mike Pechkin]

hi all,

my new code in repo:

hash: adler32, crc64, fnv, siphash
crypto: grostl, rc2, rc5, rc6, camellia, idea


Mike

Re: Spring 2016 Lisp Game Jam

[Jakob Eriksson]

On 22/04/16 10:27, Robert Herman wrote:
> 
> I am really looking to use miniPicoLisp as the game framework, only leaning
> on SDL2.0 or CSFML as the engine underneath to deal with keyboard i/o,
> event handling, sound, graphics and networking. I guess maybe it's the same
> thing?

I'd say I meant that. :)

// Jakob
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Re: Spring 2016 Lisp Game Jam

[Robert Herman]

I have used 8th programming language [1], a Forth, where the same code
compiles to Linux, Windows, Android, OS X and iOS. SDL2 is on all
platforms, and there are games made with it, so maybe the same could be
done for PicoLisp. The Red Language libs and all is under 1mb [2], and it
too is targeting multi-platform, so I think there is a niche for PicoLisp
here too.

Rob

  [1]  http://8th-dev.com/
  [2]  http://www.red-lang.org/

On 22 April 2016 at 15:27, Robert Herman  wrote:

> At first, I only wish to create something quick, so I am ready for the
> game jam. I can add platforms or polish later. I think what you are
> suggesting is embedding miniPicoLisp as a scripting language, if I
> understand you and PicoLisp correclty.
>
> I am really looking to use miniPicoLisp as the game framework, only
> leaning on SDL2.0 or CSFML as the engine underneath to deal with keyboard
> i/o, event handling, sound, graphics and networking. I guess maybe it's the
> same thing?
>
> Rob
>
> On 22 April 2016 at 15:18, Jakob Eriksson  wrote:
>
>>
>> I'd say it's rather simple to embed minipico into any framework
>> which can be used with plain C.  So that should open up Android
>> and iOS too. Although never underestimate the practical troubles
>> with compiling on 4 platforms if you are only one developer. :)
>>
>> Been there, done that. :)
>>
>> // Jakob
>>
>>
>> On 22/04/16 04:24, Robert Herman wrote:
>> > All true Alex and Jakob.
>> >
>> > I am not trying to develop something professional, so that leaves me two
>> > choices:
>> >
>> > 1. Implement a very simple framework, and handcraft all of the
>> > requirements it in miniPicoLisp (thx Christophe! I had put it aside for
>> > a year and forgot) that wraps SDL2, which is C-based, and then I can
>> > distribute the miniPicoLisp executable for the target platform (Windows,
>> > Linux, Mac) with the SDL2.dll or .SDL2.a and other data files (.jpg, ogg
>> > or .wav, etc...).
>> >
>> >   * This is a perfect real world example of this path. A guy whose
>> > handle is rxi on itch.io  and Twitter created a
>> > "Lisp-shaped" language called aria, and then did a jam with it in a
>> > final game called pulsr. Aria is very minimal - no vectors or hash
>> > maps, only lists, but supports lambdas, macros, has a garbage
>> > collector and a C api:
>> >   o https://rxi.itch.io/pulsr
>> >   o https://github.com/rxi/ari
>> >   o You can download both, build aria, and then extract pulsr. In
>> > pulsr there is a folder called pak0. Add .tar.gz to the end of
>> > the folder name (pak0.tar.gz), and extract it. You will then
>> > have a folder with the source to the game. Delete the pak0
>> > folder or move it, since the pulsr exe will try and execute that
>> > first (per rxi, I haven't tested it).
>> >   o He basically modularized his framework in a lot of files. No
>> > criticism from me, but I would like to base mine on a more
>> > traditional frame, or skeleton for doing future jams.
>> >   o miniPicoLisp should work. No multi-player without networking,
>> > and no db to hold entity structures like maps or characters, but
>> > SDL2 has all of the input/keyboard handling, graphics and sound
>> > covered for you. So maybe simply wrapping SDL2 and creating a
>> > better structure or framework?
>> >
>> > 2.  Copy an existing JS game framework (Phaser), and make it
>> > programmable in PicoLisp proper, and just export JS/HTML5/CSS. You have
>> > done a lot of the work on this already, I believe.
>> >
>> > I am favoring option 1, and not distributing to Android and iOS for now.
>> > I see option 2 as a viable future path. I also prefer CSFML over SDL2.
>> > SFML (C++ - based) is another media/game library, and CSFML is the
>> > official C port of it. But, SDL is very popular and easy to find a lot
>> > of tutorials online. With game jams and small stuff, C is preferable
>> > over C++. SDL1.2 (old), and SDL2 are both C-based.
>> >
>> > Would the OpenGL wrapper in PicoLisp work in miniPicoLisp, or not due to
>> > floats, or big nums, and what else would I need to add to miniPicoLisp
>> > to allow it to do so? The goal is to stay neutral, no Posix
>> requirements.
>> >
>> > I have a few days off coming up, and I am going to start on option 1. I
>> > will put it up on Github if I get anywhere next week. Only 7 days and 1
>> > hour until the LGJ!
>> >
>> > Rob
>> >
>> > PS: I have reposted this, since I left the subject off the last time I
>> > hit Send, and I did not see it on the list. Forgive any unintended
>> > double posts. Thanks.
>> >
>> > On 20 April 2016 at 13:23, Jakob Eriksson > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Actually, I find that you can statically link most libraries on
>> > Linux and that tends to remove almost all distribution problems.
>> >
>> > 

Re: Spring 2016 Lisp Game Jam

[Robert Herman]

At first, I only wish to create something quick, so I am ready for the game
jam. I can add platforms or polish later. I think what you are suggesting
is embedding miniPicoLisp as a scripting language, if I understand you and
PicoLisp correclty.

I am really looking to use miniPicoLisp as the game framework, only leaning
on SDL2.0 or CSFML as the engine underneath to deal with keyboard i/o,
event handling, sound, graphics and networking. I guess maybe it's the same
thing?

Rob

On 22 April 2016 at 15:18, Jakob Eriksson  wrote:

>
> I'd say it's rather simple to embed minipico into any framework
> which can be used with plain C.  So that should open up Android
> and iOS too. Although never underestimate the practical troubles
> with compiling on 4 platforms if you are only one developer. :)
>
> Been there, done that. :)
>
> // Jakob
>
>
> On 22/04/16 04:24, Robert Herman wrote:
> > All true Alex and Jakob.
> >
> > I am not trying to develop something professional, so that leaves me two
> > choices:
> >
> > 1. Implement a very simple framework, and handcraft all of the
> > requirements it in miniPicoLisp (thx Christophe! I had put it aside for
> > a year and forgot) that wraps SDL2, which is C-based, and then I can
> > distribute the miniPicoLisp executable for the target platform (Windows,
> > Linux, Mac) with the SDL2.dll or .SDL2.a and other data files (.jpg, ogg
> > or .wav, etc...).
> >
> >   * This is a perfect real world example of this path. A guy whose
> > handle is rxi on itch.io  and Twitter created a
> > "Lisp-shaped" language called aria, and then did a jam with it in a
> > final game called pulsr. Aria is very minimal - no vectors or hash
> > maps, only lists, but supports lambdas, macros, has a garbage
> > collector and a C api:
> >   o https://rxi.itch.io/pulsr
> >   o https://github.com/rxi/ari
> >   o You can download both, build aria, and then extract pulsr. In
> > pulsr there is a folder called pak0. Add .tar.gz to the end of
> > the folder name (pak0.tar.gz), and extract it. You will then
> > have a folder with the source to the game. Delete the pak0
> > folder or move it, since the pulsr exe will try and execute that
> > first (per rxi, I haven't tested it).
> >   o He basically modularized his framework in a lot of files. No
> > criticism from me, but I would like to base mine on a more
> > traditional frame, or skeleton for doing future jams.
> >   o miniPicoLisp should work. No multi-player without networking,
> > and no db to hold entity structures like maps or characters, but
> > SDL2 has all of the input/keyboard handling, graphics and sound
> > covered for you. So maybe simply wrapping SDL2 and creating a
> > better structure or framework?
> >
> > 2.  Copy an existing JS game framework (Phaser), and make it
> > programmable in PicoLisp proper, and just export JS/HTML5/CSS. You have
> > done a lot of the work on this already, I believe.
> >
> > I am favoring option 1, and not distributing to Android and iOS for now

Re: Spring 2016 Lisp Game Jam

[Jakob Eriksson]

I'd say it's rather simple to embed minipico into any framework
which can be used with plain C.  So that should open up Android
and iOS too. Although never underestimate the practical troubles
with compiling on 4 platforms if you are only one developer. :)

Been there, done that. :)

// Jakob


On 22/04/16 04:24, Robert Herman wrote:
> All true Alex and Jakob.
> 
> I am not trying to develop something professional, so that leaves me two
> choices:
> 
> 1. Implement a very simple framework, and handcraft all of the
> requirements it in miniPicoLisp (thx Christophe! I had put it aside for
> a year and forgot) that wraps SDL2, which is C-based, and then I can
> distribute the miniPicoLisp executable for the target platform (Windows,
> Linux, Mac) with the SDL2.dll or .SDL2.a and other data files (.jpg, ogg
> or .wav, etc...).
> 
>   * This is a perfect real world example of this path. A guy whose
> handle is rxi on itch.io  and Twitter created a
> "Lisp-shaped" language called aria, and then did a jam with it in a
> final game called pulsr. Aria is very minimal - no vectors or hash
> maps, only lists, but supports lambdas, macros, has a garbage
> collector and a C api:
>   o https://rxi.itch.io/pulsr
>   o https://github.com/rxi/ari
>   o You can download both, build aria, and then extract pulsr. In
> pulsr there is a folder called pak0. Add .tar.gz to the end of
> the folder name (pak0.tar.gz), and extract it. You will then
> have a folder with the source to the game. Delete the pak0
> folder or move it, since the pulsr exe will try and execute that
> first (per rxi, I haven't tested it).
>   o He basically modularized his framework in a lot of files. No
> criticism from me, but I would like to base mine on a more
> traditional frame, or skeleton for doing future jams.
>   o miniPicoLisp should work. No multi-player without networking,
> and no db to hold entity structures like maps or characters, but
> SDL2 has all of the input/keyboard handling, graphics and sound
> covered for you. So maybe simply wrapping SDL2 and creating a
> better structure or framework?
> 
> 2.  Copy an existing JS game framework (Phaser), and make it
> programmable in PicoLisp proper, and just export JS/HTML5/CSS. You have
> done a lot of the work on this already, I believe.
> 
> I am favoring option 1, and not distributing to Android and iOS for now.
> I see option 2 as a viable future path. I also prefer CSFML over SDL2.
> SFML (C++ - based) is another media/game library, and CSFML is the
> official C port of it. But, SDL is very popular and easy to find a lot
> of tutorials online. With game jams and small stuff, C is preferable
> over C++. SDL1.2 (old), and SDL2 are both C-based.
> 
> Would the OpenGL wrapper in PicoLisp work in miniPicoLisp, or not due to
> floats, or big nums, and what else would I need to add to miniPicoLisp
> to allow it to do so? The goal is to stay neutral, no Posix requirements.
> 
> I have a few days off coming up, and I am going to start on option 1. I
> will put it up on Github if I get anywhere next week. Only 7 days and 1
> hour until the LGJ!
> 
> Rob
> 
> PS: I have reposted this, since I left the subject off the last time I
> hit Send, and I did not see it on the list. Forgive any unintended
> double posts. Thanks.
> 
> On 20 April 2016 at 13:23, Jakob Eriksson  > wrote:
> 
> Actually, I find that you can statically link most libraries on
> Linux and that tends to remove almost all distribution problems.
> 
> best regards,
> Jakob
> 
> 
> On 20/04/16 07:57, Alexander Burger wrote:
> > Hi Rob,
> >
> >> HTML5, JS and family come into the picture when you want to
> distribute or
> >> share your game. Distribution is king, and sadly it is asking too
> much to
> >> have a basic user/player to install PicoLisp so they can play
> your game,
> >
> > Yes, that's the problem. As long as you go for a native Linux
> solution,
> > using C libraries and GUI, you run into trouble with distribution.
> There
> > are so many different Linuxes around that it becomes a full-time
> job to
> > provide turn-key packages for all of them. I addition, PicoLisp
> may run
> > also natively on Windows now that Microsoft jumped onto the train.
> >
> > An online implementation doesn't have these problems, but has other
> > limitations.
> >
> > As I said, it all depends on the type of game, and on which is based.
> > Some JavaScript framework is probably the easiest, it would
> communicate
> > with a PicoLisp server in a similar way as @lib/canvas.l and
> > @lib/canvas.js, using XMLHttpRequest().
> >
> > ♪♫ Alex
> >
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