Re: [pinhole-discussion] Oven cleaner

2001-09-24 Thread Colin Talcroft
Very interesting about the linoleum block and oven
cleaner idea. Thanks for passing it on. Would be
interested to hear more about the emulsions
described--what kind of tonal range is achievable?
Does it tend to be an all or nothing kind of
thing--stark black and white--or can you actually get
gradations with this method?

I've been a printmaker for about 20 years, if anyone
needs tips about papers, inks, and the best way to
transfer an image from a block, let me know. There is
probably lots of info on the Internet, of course.
Anyway, if you decide to get into this, I highly
recommend using GOOD oil-based inks (unless you want
to play with wash effects) for permanency and clarity
of color and also using quality rollers. Places like
Pearl Paint in New York (just struck me that their
main store is on Canal Street--sincerely hope they
made it through the recent trauma unscathed) have a
wide range of this sort of stuff and sell online and
through their catalog. Avoid the cheap block printing
sets that the local art supply store is likely to
have. The best tool for hand transfering images is the
Japanese baren--a good one, that is. A press makes
life easy. 

Colin

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[pinhole-discussion] Re: Piezography alternatives

2001-09-24 Thread harveyt
Piezography is not the only game in town -- only the most expensive. 
There is an alternative that uses much less costly inks, that does not 
require proprietary software, and that can give variable tone 
(warm-to-cool) BW prints.  

I would encourage anyone looking into Piezography to take a look at Paul 
Roark's website and his information on variable tone printing at:

http://home1.gte.net/res0a2zt/photos.html  and
http://home1.gte.net/res0a2zt/V-tone.html

and take a look at the messages on:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/epson-inkjet/messages/

Search for Roark, Olson, MIS, and Piezography to get many perspectives.

That said, there is no doubt that Piezography is a fine product producing 
great results.  

Tom




Re: [pinhole-discussion] what do i do with 4x5 film negatives

2001-09-24 Thread lva
 If one worked from a postive image ( a contact print of the neg) you
 could make a lino block that prints an image of some sort of your
 pinhole shot.

 I have absolutely no idea of how well this works.  I hope to try it
 out in the next few weeks.


Keep us posted, Gord. This sounds interesting.

Brahma



Re: [pinhole-discussion] what do i do with 4x5 film negatives

2001-09-24 Thread R Duarte
Wow, sounds interesting.  Let me know how it works!

Thanks,
Rob

 From: Gordon J. Holtslander hol...@duke.usask.ca
 Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 09:15:46 -0600 (CST)
 To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
 Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] what do i do with 4x5 film negatives
 
 Hi:
 
 Yes you can contact print them.  But you don't _have_ to limit yourself to
 printing on bw paper.  You could delve  into one of the may alternative
 processes cyanotype, gum bichromate etc ...
 
 I have been doing a lot of cyanotypes from 8x10 negatives.
 
 see http://duke.usask.ca/holtsg/photo/faq.html
 
 There are lots of different processes one can use once you are working
 with a large negative.
 
 Another really interesting technique: ...
 
 A friend of mine read about etching linoleum blocks with oven cleaner with
 a photo sensetive resist.
 
 Lino blocks are often used to teach children basic printmaking.  The lino
 block is carved with a variety of tools.  The block is inked and printed
 by placing a piece of paper over the inked block and pressed down.
 
 Where the block was cut away no ink is deposited on the paper
 
 Apparently you can coat a lino block with a mixture of gum arabic and a
 dichromate. (Common alt photo stuff).  This makes a photo sensetive
 resist.  This is developed in water.  Where the gum bichromate was exposed
 to light hardens and forms a resist.  Where the light did not expose the
 gum washes away in the water.
 
 The lino plate is then sprayed with oven cleaner.  The hardened gum forms
 a resist and prevents the oven cleaner from etching the lino.  Where the
 negative was unexposed becomes etched out on the plate.
 
 If one worked from a postive image ( a contact print of the neg) you could
 make a lino block that prints an image of some sort of your pinhole shot.
 
 I have absolutely no idea of how well this works.  I hope to try it out in
 the next few weeks.
 
 Gord
 
 On Sun, 23 Sep 2001, R Duarte wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I am building a wooden camera that will take 4x5 film backs.  I was planning
 on just loading the film backs with 4x5 pieces of RC paper.  If I were to
 load it with 4x5 sheets of FILM instead, what can I do with the film
 negative once I've exposed and developed it?  Can I still only contact print
 it?  It's obviously too big for the enlarger unless I wanted to crop it
 right?  Sorry if this is a silly question.
 
 Thanks,
 Rob
 
 
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[pinhole-discussion] Re: [pinhole-discussion] piezography?

2001-09-24 Thread Mark Interrante
Hi,

I have begun learning about piezo and find it a beautiful process that is
similar to Platinum.  West Coast Imaging did got about 20 people together
to share and discuss the techniques, I came away very impressed with the
tonal range!, sharpness, and beauty of the prints.  Limitations--The process
works best on matt paper and the DMax is lower than traditional printing.
 I saw numerous comparisons between traditional and piezo, it held it's
own.  Many times I thought it was the print I would want to exhibit.  I
will begin using the process (on my pinhole/zone images) in the winter once
they have released their new version which works with my Epson 1280 printer.
 For those with older Epsons, it already works.

Here are some links for more info:

FAQ - http://www.westcoastimaging.com/wci/page/services/piez/faqpiez.html

Good article by an experienced view camera photographer - 
http://www.piezography.com/dw-viewcamera-july.html

Discussion forum for all things piezo-
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/piezography3000

Mark
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- Original Message -
From: Jeff Dilcher r...@hiddenworld.net


 I have heard people refer to piezography
 when referring to printing from a computer.

 Is this just a fancy term for inkjet printing?

The fancy name is Gicleé and not all the Gicleé prints are printed using
Piezography system.  Read about Piezography from the horse's mouth at
piezography.com

Guillermo





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Re: [pinhole-discussion] what do i do with 4x5 film negatives

2001-09-24 Thread Gordon J. Holtslander
Hi:

Yes you can contact print them.  But you don't _have_ to limit yourself to
printing on bw paper.  You could delve  into one of the may alternative
processes cyanotype, gum bichromate etc ...

I have been doing a lot of cyanotypes from 8x10 negatives.

see http://duke.usask.ca/holtsg/photo/faq.html

There are lots of different processes one can use once you are working
with a large negative.

Another really interesting technique: ...

A friend of mine read about etching linoleum blocks with oven cleaner with
a photo sensetive resist.

Lino blocks are often used to teach children basic printmaking.  The lino
block is carved with a variety of tools.  The block is inked and printed
by placing a piece of paper over the inked block and pressed down.

Where the block was cut away no ink is deposited on the paper

Apparently you can coat a lino block with a mixture of gum arabic and a
dichromate. (Common alt photo stuff).  This makes a photo sensetive
resist.  This is developed in water.  Where the gum bichromate was exposed
to light hardens and forms a resist.  Where the light did not expose the
gum washes away in the water.

The lino plate is then sprayed with oven cleaner.  The hardened gum forms
a resist and prevents the oven cleaner from etching the lino.  Where the
negative was unexposed becomes etched out on the plate.

If one worked from a postive image ( a contact print of the neg) you could
make a lino block that prints an image of some sort of your pinhole shot.

I have absolutely no idea of how well this works.  I hope to try it out in
the next few weeks.

Gord

On Sun, 23 Sep 2001, R Duarte wrote:

 Hi,

 I am building a wooden camera that will take 4x5 film backs.  I was planning
 on just loading the film backs with 4x5 pieces of RC paper.  If I were to
 load it with 4x5 sheets of FILM instead, what can I do with the film
 negative once I've exposed and developed it?  Can I still only contact print
 it?  It's obviously too big for the enlarger unless I wanted to crop it
 right?  Sorry if this is a silly question.

 Thanks,
 Rob


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[pinhole-discussion] Kevin Finney's email?

2001-09-24 Thread Jeff Dilcher
Does anyone on the list have Kevin Finney's email
address?  I have need for a small replacement part
for my Finney pinhole camera...






Re: [pinhole-discussion] piezography?

2001-09-24 Thread Guillermo
- Original Message -
From: Jeff Dilcher r...@hiddenworld.net


 I have heard people refer to piezography
 when referring to printing from a computer.

 Is this just a fancy term for inkjet printing?

The fancy name is Gicleé and not all the Gicleé prints are printed using
Piezography system.  Read about Piezography from the horse's mouth at
piezography.com

Guillermo







[pinhole-discussion] piezography?

2001-09-24 Thread Jeff Dilcher
I have heard people refer to piezography
when referring to printing from a computer.

Is this just a fancy term for inkjet printing?





Re: [pinhole-discussion] Enlarging 4x5 negatives

2001-09-24 Thread Guy Glorieux
Chris,
What kind of scanner do you use to scan your 4x5 negatives?
I have both a flatbed scanner and a 35mm Nikon CoolScan III.  In the final 
analysis, I find that I prefer to scan the print from whatever negative I use, 
after having done the darkroom work, rather than scanning the negative and 
working from there on.  I feel I have better control in the darkroom over the 
way
I want to get my final image to look.

For some reason, I also feel that I don't want to do with the computer anything 
that I couldn't be able to reproduce with a light sensitive emulsion.  Hmmm... 
I guess I must become conservative...

Cheers,

Guy
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Christian Harkness wrote:

 It was mentioned before, but I think it bears mentioning again.  You can use 
 the computer to enlarge either your 4x5 paper negatives or your film 
 negatives.  I frequently print my paper negatives by going straight to my 
 computer, scanning the negative, inverting it, photoshopping it, and then 
 printing it.

 chris



[pinhole-discussion] Enlarging 4x5 negatives

2001-09-24 Thread Christian Harkness
It was mentioned before, but I think it bears mentioning again.  You can use 
the computer to enlarge either your 4x5 paper negatives or your film negatives. 
 I frequently print my paper negatives by going straight to my computer, 
scanning the negative, inverting it, photoshopping it, and then printing it.

chris


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] Tourist With Pinhole In NYC

2001-09-24 Thread Kosinski Family
Jeff, those photos are super!

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To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 4:16 PM
Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Tourist With Pinhole In NYC


 A few photos from a recent trip to NYC.
 
 http://www.hiddenworld.net/pinhole/nyc/
 
 -Jeff Dilcher
 
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