Re: [pinhole-discussion] Headlands Center WPPD photos
not yet still the error massage From: Bogdan Karasek bkara...@videotron.ca Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Headlands Center WPPD photos Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 12:34:04 -0400 Hi, Still get the Internal Server Error :( Bogdan Gregg Kemp wrote: There was an error in the script which I've corrected. The posted url should work now. http://www.pinholeday.org/gallery/2002/index.php?id=633 Gregg -Original Message- From: Andy Schmitt [mailto:aschm...@warwick.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:41 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Pinhole-Discussion digest, Vol 1 #702 - 4 msgs Hey there.. I received the following message when I tried to go there: Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, pinh...@pair.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log. Maybe I tried tooo quickly.. andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of aaron Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:18 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Pinhole-Discussion digest, Vol 1 #702 - 4 msgs hi all. some pictures are going up from a WWPD2 event at the Headlands Center in Sausalito, CA. they start at number 633. http://www.pinholeday.org/gallery/2002/index.php?id=633 the pictures were taken with cameras made from 35mm film cannisters. they were given out to visitors at one of the galleries there. /aaron ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ -- __ Bogdan Karasek Montréal, Québece-mail: bkara...@videotron.ca Canada Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen What we cannot speak about we must pass over in silence Ludwig Wittgenstein ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
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[pinhole-discussion] Shameless advertisement for Peters Valley
Leezy's 3 day class on Alternative Cameras, Aug. 23-25, is filling up. This workshop will cover everything from Pinholes to Zone Plates to Diana's. Leezy I will be bringing our respective collections of cameras for the students to try as well as experimenting with what the students bring. Both film paper will be used for negatives. so, y'all come over now...y'hear! end of shameless advertisement thanks andy
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Headlands Center WPPD photos
humm, you're right, Bogdan. Thanks for checking. I'll give it another try... Gregg -Original Message- From: Bogdan Karasek [mailto:bkara...@videotron.ca] Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:34 PM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Headlands Center WPPD photos Hi, Still get the Internal Server Error :( Bogdan Gregg Kemp wrote: There was an error in the script which I've corrected. The posted url should work now. http://www.pinholeday.org/gallery/2002/index.php?id=633 Gregg -Original Message- From: Andy Schmitt [mailto:aschm...@warwick.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:41 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Pinhole-Discussion digest, Vol 1 #702 - 4 msgs Hey there.. I received the following message when I tried to go there: Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, pinh...@pair.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log. Maybe I tried tooo quickly.. andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of aaron Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:18 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Pinhole-Discussion digest, Vol 1 #702 - 4 msgs hi all. some pictures are going up from a WWPD2 event at the Headlands Center in Sausalito, CA. they start at number 633. http://www.pinholeday.org/gallery/2002/index.php?id=633 the pictures were taken with cameras made from 35mm film cannisters. they were given out to visitors at one of the galleries there. /aaron ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ -- __ Bogdan Karasek Montréal, Québece-mail: bkara...@videotron.ca Canada Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen What we cannot speak about we must pass over in silence Ludwig Wittgenstein ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Headlands Center WPPD photos
Hi, Still get the Internal Server Error :( Bogdan Gregg Kemp wrote: There was an error in the script which I've corrected. The posted url should work now. http://www.pinholeday.org/gallery/2002/index.php?id=633 Gregg -Original Message- From: Andy Schmitt [mailto:aschm...@warwick.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:41 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Pinhole-Discussion digest, Vol 1 #702 - 4 msgs Hey there.. I received the following message when I tried to go there: Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, pinh...@pair.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log. Maybe I tried tooo quickly.. andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of aaron Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:18 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Pinhole-Discussion digest, Vol 1 #702 - 4 msgs hi all. some pictures are going up from a WWPD2 event at the Headlands Center in Sausalito, CA. they start at number 633. http://www.pinholeday.org/gallery/2002/index.php?id=633 the pictures were taken with cameras made from 35mm film cannisters. they were given out to visitors at one of the galleries there. /aaron ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ -- __ Bogdan Karasek Montréal, Québece-mail: bkara...@videotron.ca Canada Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen What we cannot speak about we must pass over in silence Ludwig Wittgenstein
[pinhole-discussion] Headlands Center WPPD photos
There was an error in the script which I've corrected. The posted url should work now. http://www.pinholeday.org/gallery/2002/index.php?id=633 Gregg -Original Message- From: Andy Schmitt [mailto:aschm...@warwick.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:41 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Pinhole-Discussion digest, Vol 1 #702 - 4 msgs Hey there.. I received the following message when I tried to go there: Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, pinh...@pair.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log. Maybe I tried tooo quickly.. andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of aaron Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:18 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Pinhole-Discussion digest, Vol 1 #702 - 4 msgs hi all. some pictures are going up from a WWPD2 event at the Headlands Center in Sausalito, CA. they start at number 633. http://www.pinholeday.org/gallery/2002/index.php?id=633 the pictures were taken with cameras made from 35mm film cannisters. they were given out to visitors at one of the galleries there. /aaron ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Pinhole-Discussion digest, Vol 1 #702 - 4 msgs
It might be best to enter the exhibit the normal way: http://www.pinholeday.org/gallery/. Click on the the date (April 28, 2002). The exhibit opens in a separate window. In the gallery, you can select the image number to go to, #633 in this case. You can scroll forward from there to see the Sausalito pics. Tom - Original Message - From: Andy Schmitt aschm...@warwick.net To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 8:40 AM Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Pinhole-Discussion digest, Vol 1 #702 - 4 msgs Hey there.. I received the following message when I tried to go there: Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, pinh...@pair.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log. Maybe I tried tooo quickly.. andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of aaron Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:18 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Pinhole-Discussion digest, Vol 1 #702 - 4 msgs hi all. some pictures are going up from a WWPD2 event at the Headlands Center in Sausalito, CA. they start at number 633. http://www.pinholeday.org/gallery/2002/index.php?id=633 the pictures were taken with cameras made from 35mm film cannisters. they were given out to visitors at one of the galleries there. /aaron ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Pinhole-Discussion digest, Vol 1 #702 - 4 msgs
Hey there.. I received the following message when I tried to go there: Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, pinh...@pair.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log. Maybe I tried tooo quickly.. andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of aaron Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:18 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Pinhole-Discussion digest, Vol 1 #702 - 4 msgs hi all. some pictures are going up from a WWPD2 event at the Headlands Center in Sausalito, CA. they start at number 633. http://www.pinholeday.org/gallery/2002/index.php?id=633 the pictures were taken with cameras made from 35mm film cannisters. they were given out to visitors at one of the galleries there. /aaron ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
RE: [pinhole-discussion] The Wyndham Montreal Pinhole Camera Project
gee I thought my 20x24 was large format photographyI bow to the masters. 8o) Great Job...CongratulationsI can't wait to see it. andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Guy Glorieux Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 11:08 PM To: pinhole List Subject: [pinhole-discussion] The Wyndham Montreal Pinhole Camera Project Jeff, You have not missed any postings on the subject. It's jsust that I've been quite busy since April 28, working on this project and other priorities, and I have not had much time to report. In a nutshell, it's worked beyond our expectations. We have a 12 1/2 feet wide by 8 1/2 feet high pinhole image of incredible beauty, probably one of the largest ever made in modern pinhole history. Thanks to the support of Wyndham Montreal, we were able to have a 10th floor room for the WPPD weekend facing one of the most impressive landscape of Montreal, right in the centre of the cultural area. We started setting up our equipment in the room early Saturday afternoon and worked to make the room completely light tight. By midnight we had everything pretty well completed, all we had to do was to lower the 3 strips of 50 by 8 1/2 feet photographic paper (kindly supplied by Ilford Imaging Canada as a full roll of 100 feet) down the frame we had built and open the shutter, to officially start our WPPD2 experiment. We chose a 40 focal length to get as wide angle as possible on the landscape (the image covers from Place Ville Marie to Place des Arts, with the Mount Royal in the background, for anyone familiar with Montreal). We did a bit of a backswing with the frame to extend coverage of the landscape on the side of Place Ville Marie. There was some question over what diameter pinhole to use. The optimal would have been 1.34 mm giving us F/755, much to small given the overcast weather expected for April 28. In the end, I chose 1.8mm diameter, giving us F/564. This is only a few minutes exposure even on paper on a bright sunny day, but under overcast conditions and with reciprocity playing its trick, I knew that this would be relatively safe. In the end, a snow storm forced us to close the shutter around 12:45 on Sunday, earlier than we had anticipated, in order to avoid a white out of the image. While the tests strips we had placed on the extremities of the frame suggested then that we might be underexposed, the centre, by that time was quite over exposed. I guess we had forgotten that we would experience very heavy vignetting with such a short focal length (further compounded by reciprocity failure at the extremities). By Monday morning we were all packed up and leaving the hotel to move on to the next stage: the processing of the paper negative. Given the facilities we were using, we couldn't get started until late evening and we also had to build handmade processing tanks (5 x10 feet) from 2x4 lumber and heavy gauge plastic. We used 100 litters of developer and fix (way too much in retrospect) to fill the trays and unrolled each strip of 50 x 8 1/2 feet into the trays, one after the other, out into a quick stop bath and then into the fix. The negatives were then washed thoroughly and installed back to dry on same the wood frame we had used for exposure at the hotel. The result was just astounding. Imagine a 12 1/2 feet by 8 1/2 feet negative image with incredible details in every areas of the image (you can count the number of chairs on a hidden roof top sundeck of the Museum of Contemporary Arts and see pretty well inside the buildings closeby, enough to count how many chairs there are around the desks or worktables). Every details of the architecture landscape are clearly visible in the image but strangely distorted in some areas of the image through wide angle expansion and in other areas through telephoto compression. Because of the length of the time exposure (a little over 12 hrs), the whole city looks unnaturally empty from the constant agitation surrounding this area as if it had been deserted from all its inhabitants after a major disaster. Only the buildings, the trees, the sign and lamp posts and the cars parked on the street are visible with incredible details. Very daunting. The next stage for us is to do a contact print of the paper negative into a positive image. This is the trickiest part and we are still working on tests strips. We need to illuminate an area 12.5 x 8.5 feet, and there is about 7 stops density difference between the centre of the image (closest to the pinhole) and the edges. At this stage, we are working with a single lamp projector 15 feet above the print and centred just above the zone of heaviest density. I let you imagine the fun of changing contrast filtration between each tests...! The goal is to avoid having to do any burning and dodging by carefully configuring the way the light spreads over the image and to make 11x14 tests strips
[pinhole-discussion] Re: Pinhole-Discussion digest, Vol 1 #702 - 4 msgs
hi all. some pictures are going up from a WWPD2 event at the Headlands Center in Sausalito, CA. they start at number 633. http://www.pinholeday.org/gallery/2002/index.php?id=633 the pictures were taken with cameras made from 35mm film cannisters. they were given out to visitors at one of the galleries there. /aaron
Re: [pinhole-discussion] The Wyndham Montreal Pinhole Camera Project
First, my sincere apologies to the list for the multiple postings. Something when wrong in my system and I just didn't realize I was inundating the list with several identical messages. Bogdan, It is still too early to say when this print will be shown. It could be as early as late June or as late as this fall, depending on our ability to find proper gallery space. I would hope that we can be invited to exhibit, rather than to have to rent a gallery for the occasion. Of that if we need to rent, because the schedules for 2002 are already booked, then that we can find a grant to fund the cost. There is also the question of designing a frame that will fit the spirit of the images. It need to reinforce the strength of the image, without being distracting. I hope I can work with a creative artist on that side. I will keep the list posted when things are firmed up. Cheers, P.S. Are you located in Montreal? Jeff, In the end, photography is a combination of creativity and problem solving. Thanks to the fact that the protographic process is a scientific process, you can develop creative solutions that are drawn from applying the rigorous scientific framework of image creation on light sensitive material... As I posted earlier, Larry Fratkin's Pinhole calculator on the web and Guillerme's data on reciprocity for paper were invaluable help in this project. Thanks to them again. Cheers, Guy P.S. One only rises as high as standing on the shoulders of those who inspire you. Ilan Wolf and Robert Mann are truly the mentors behind all this work while Zernike's Great Wall of China project and the WPPD2 where the events that triggered me into doing this project. Should I say that this all came together in a matter of about a month, from the first idea of doing a giant pinhole to the opening of the shutter? Some projects perk in the back of one's mind unconsciously for a long time before they materialize into a very short time frame... I hope that projects of these kinds serve as an inspiration to others, to go beyond what they think they are capable of doing and to explore what they think they would never be able to do... - Original Message - From: Bogdan Karasek bkara...@videotron.ca To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] The Wyndham Montreal Pinhole Camera Project Hello Guy, Do you have any idea yet where and when in Montreal the print will be exhibited. I would like to see it au naturel. Regards, Bogdan Guy Glorieux wrote: I may have missed an update... How did the Canadian Hotel room pinhole picture and the Great Wall pinhole projects turn out? -Jeff No Jeff, you didn't miss any postings on the Wyndham Montreal Hotel Giant Pinhole picture... I've been quite busy since April 28, working on this project and other priorities, and I have not had much time to report. In a nutshell, it's worked beyond our expectations. We have a 12 1/2 feet wide by 8 1/2 feet high pinhole image of incredible beauty, probably one of the largest ever made in modern pinhole history. Thanks to the support of Wyndham Montreal, we were able to have a 10th floor room for the WPPD weekend facing one of the most impressive landscape of Montreal, right in the centre of the cultural area. We started setting up our equipment in the room early Saturday afternoon and worked to make the room completely light tight. By midnight we had everything pretty well completed, all we had to do was to lower the 3 strips of 50 by 8 1/2 feet photographic paper (kindly supplied by Ilford Imaging Canada as a full roll of 100 feet) down the frame we had built and open the shutter, to officially start our WPPD2 experiment. We chose a 40 focal length to get as wide angle as possible on the landscape (the image covers from Place Ville Marie to Place des Arts, with the Mount Royal in the background, for anyone familiar with Montreal). We did a bit of a backswing with the frame to extend coverage of the landscape on the side of Place Ville Marie. There was some question over what diameter pinhole to use. The optimal would have been 1.34 mm giving us F/755, much to small given the overcast weather expected for April 28. In the end, I chose 1.8mm diameter, giving us F/564. This is only a few minutes exposure even on paper on a bright sunny day, but under overcast conditions and with reciprocity playing its trick, I knew that this would be relatively safe. In the end, a snow storm forced us to close the shutter around 12:45 on Sunday, earlier than we had anticipated, in order to avoid a white out of the image. While the tests strips we had placed on the extremities of the frame suggested then that we might be underexposed, the centre, by that time was quite over exposed. I guess we had forgotten that we would experience very heavy vignetting with such a short focal length
Re: [pinhole-discussion] The Wyndham Montreal Pinhole Camera Project
On Wednesday 15 May 2002 02:55 am, Guy Glorieux wrote: No Jeff, you didn't miss any postings on the Wyndham Montreal Hotel Giant Pinhole picture... I've been quite busy since April 28, working on this project and other priorities, and I have not had much time to report. Wow! Fantastic! Thanks for updating us! Thanks for posting the picture and the report. I am fascinated by the technical difficulties, and solutions, that you encountered pulling this off! The 7 stops of vignetting would have been something I don't think I would have calculated!!
Re: [pinhole-discussion] The Wyndham Montreal Pinhole Camera Project
Hello Guy, Do you have any idea yet where and when in Montreal the print will be exhibited. I would like to see it au naturel. Regards, Bogdan Guy Glorieux wrote: I may have missed an update... How did the Canadian Hotel room pinhole picture and the Great Wall pinhole projects turn out? -Jeff No Jeff, you didn't miss any postings on the Wyndham Montreal Hotel Giant Pinhole picture... I've been quite busy since April 28, working on this project and other priorities, and I have not had much time to report. In a nutshell, it's worked beyond our expectations. We have a 12 1/2 feet wide by 8 1/2 feet high pinhole image of incredible beauty, probably one of the largest ever made in modern pinhole history. Thanks to the support of Wyndham Montreal, we were able to have a 10th floor room for the WPPD weekend facing one of the most impressive landscape of Montreal, right in the centre of the cultural area. We started setting up our equipment in the room early Saturday afternoon and worked to make the room completely light tight. By midnight we had everything pretty well completed, all we had to do was to lower the 3 strips of 50 by 8 1/2 feet photographic paper (kindly supplied by Ilford Imaging Canada as a full roll of 100 feet) down the frame we had built and open the shutter, to officially start our WPPD2 experiment. We chose a 40 focal length to get as wide angle as possible on the landscape (the image covers from Place Ville Marie to Place des Arts, with the Mount Royal in the background, for anyone familiar with Montreal). We did a bit of a backswing with the frame to extend coverage of the landscape on the side of Place Ville Marie. There was some question over what diameter pinhole to use. The optimal would have been 1.34 mm giving us F/755, much to small given the overcast weather expected for April 28. In the end, I chose 1.8mm diameter, giving us F/564. This is only a few minutes exposure even on paper on a bright sunny day, but under overcast conditions and with reciprocity playing its trick, I knew that this would be relatively safe. In the end, a snow storm forced us to close the shutter around 12:45 on Sunday, earlier than we had anticipated, in order to avoid a white out of the image. While the tests strips we had placed on the extremities of the frame suggested then that we might be underexposed, the centre, by that time was quite over exposed. I guess we had forgotten that we would experience very heavy vignetting with such a short focal length (further compounded by reciprocity failure at the extremities). By Monday morning we were all packed up and leaving the hotel to move on to the next stage: the processing of the paper negative. Given the facilities we were using, we couldn't get started until late evening and we also had to build handmade processing tanks (5 x10 feet) from 2x4 lumber and heavy gauge plastic. We used 100 litters of developer and fix (way too much in retrospect) to fill the trays and unrolled each strip of 50 x 8 1/2 feet into the trays, one after the other, out into a quick stop bath and then into the fix. The negatives were then washed thoroughly and installed back to dry on same the wood frame we had used for exposure at the hotel. The result was just astounding. Imagine a 12 1/2 feet by 8 1/2 feet negative image with incredible details in every areas of the image (you can count the number of chairs on a hidden roof top sundeck of the Museum of Contemporary Arts and see pretty well inside the buildings closeby, enough to count how many chairs there are around the desks or worktables). Every details of the architecture landscape are clearly visible in the image but strangely distorted in some areas of the image through wide angle expansion and in other areas through telephoto compression. Because of the length of the time exposure (a little over 12 hrs), the whole city looks unnaturally empty from the constant agitation surrounding this area as if it had been deserted from all its inhabitants after a major disaster. Only the buildings, the trees, the sign and lamp posts and the cars parked on the street are visible with incredible details. Very daunting. The next stage for us is to do a contact print of the paper negative into a positive image. This is the trickiest part and we are still working on tests strips. We need to illuminate an area 12.5 x 8.5 feet, and there is about 7 stops density difference between the centre of the image (closest to the pinhole) and the edges. At this stage, we are working with a single lamp projector 15 feet above the print and centred just above the zone of heaviest density. I let you imagine the fun of changing contrast filtration between each tests...! The goal is to avoid having to do any burning and dodging by carefully configuring the way the light spreads over the image and to make 11x14 tests strips each
[pinhole-discussion] The Wyndham Montreal Pinhole Camera Project
Jeff, You have not missed any postings on the subject. It's jsust that I've been quite busy since April 28, working on this project and other priorities, and I have not had much time to report. In a nutshell, it's worked beyond our expectations. We have a 12 1/2 feet wide by 8 1/2 feet high pinhole image of incredible beauty, probably one of the largest ever made in modern pinhole history. Thanks to the support of Wyndham Montreal, we were able to have a 10th floor room for the WPPD weekend facing one of the most impressive landscape of Montreal, right in the centre of the cultural area. We started setting up our equipment in the room early Saturday afternoon and worked to make the room completely light tight. By midnight we had everything pretty well completed, all we had to do was to lower the 3 strips of 50 by 8 1/2 feet photographic paper (kindly supplied by Ilford Imaging Canada as a full roll of 100 feet) down the frame we had built and open the shutter, to officially start our WPPD2 experiment. We chose a 40 focal length to get as wide angle as possible on the landscape (the image covers from Place Ville Marie to Place des Arts, with the Mount Royal in the background, for anyone familiar with Montreal). We did a bit of a backswing with the frame to extend coverage of the landscape on the side of Place Ville Marie. There was some question over what diameter pinhole to use. The optimal would have been 1.34 mm giving us F/755, much to small given the overcast weather expected for April 28. In the end, I chose 1.8mm diameter, giving us F/564. This is only a few minutes exposure even on paper on a bright sunny day, but under overcast conditions and with reciprocity playing its trick, I knew that this would be relatively safe. In the end, a snow storm forced us to close the shutter around 12:45 on Sunday, earlier than we had anticipated, in order to avoid a white out of the image. While the tests strips we had placed on the extremities of the frame suggested then that we might be underexposed, the centre, by that time was quite over exposed. I guess we had forgotten that we would experience very heavy vignetting with such a short focal length (further compounded by reciprocity failure at the extremities). By Monday morning we were all packed up and leaving the hotel to move on to the next stage: the processing of the paper negative. Given the facilities we were using, we couldn't get started until late evening and we also had to build handmade processing tanks (5 x10 feet) from 2x4 lumber and heavy gauge plastic. We used 100 litters of developer and fix (way too much in retrospect) to fill the trays and unrolled each strip of 50 x 8 1/2 feet into the trays, one after the other, out into a quick stop bath and then into the fix. The negatives were then washed thoroughly and installed back to dry on same the wood frame we had used for exposure at the hotel. The result was just astounding. Imagine a 12 1/2 feet by 8 1/2 feet negative image with incredible details in every areas of the image (you can count the number of chairs on a hidden roof top sundeck of the Museum of Contemporary Arts and see pretty well inside the buildings closeby, enough to count how many chairs there are around the desks or worktables). Every details of the architecture landscape are clearly visible in the image but strangely distorted in some areas of the image through wide angle expansion and in other areas through telephoto compression. Because of the length of the time exposure (a little over 12 hrs), the whole city looks unnaturally empty from the constant agitation surrounding this area as if it had been deserted from all its inhabitants after a major disaster. Only the buildings, the trees, the sign and lamp posts and the cars parked on the street are visible with incredible details. Very daunting. The next stage for us is to do a contact print of the paper negative into a positive image. This is the trickiest part and we are still working on tests strips. We need to illuminate an area 12.5 x 8.5 feet, and there is about 7 stops density difference between the centre of the image (closest to the pinhole) and the edges. At this stage, we are working with a single lamp projector 15 feet above the print and centred just above the zone of heaviest density. I let you imagine the fun of changing contrast filtration between each tests...! The goal is to avoid having to do any burning and dodging by carefully configuring the way the light spreads over the image and to make 11x14 tests strips each time we change the configuration. So far so good. We have substantially reduced the 7 stops gap between the centre and the edges, but the last stop and a half is really hard to tackle Once this is solved, we will do a practice run and then do the final positive print in 3 copies. That should take place before the end of the month if we can align all of our own individual schedules with the schedule of
[pinhole-discussion] The Wyndham Montreal Pinhole Camera Project
Jeff, You have not missed any postings on the subject. It's jsust that I've been quite busy since April 28, working on this project and other priorities, and I have not had much time to report. In a nutshell, it's worked beyond our expectations. We have a 12 1/2 feet wide by 8 1/2 feet high pinhole image of incredible beauty, probably one of the largest ever made in modern pinhole history. Thanks to the support of Wyndham Montreal, we were able to have a 10th floor room for the WPPD weekend facing one of the most impressive landscape of Montreal, right in the centre of the cultural area. We started setting up our equipment in the room early Saturday afternoon and worked to make the room completely light tight. By midnight we had everything pretty well completed, all we had to do was to lower the 3 strips of 50 by 8 1/2 feet photographic paper (kindly supplied by Ilford Imaging Canada as a full roll of 100 feet) down the frame we had built and open the shutter, to officially start our WPPD2 experiment. We chose a 40 focal length to get as wide angle as possible on the landscape (the image covers from Place Ville Marie to Place des Arts, with the Mount Royal in the background, for anyone familiar with Montreal). We did a bit of a backswing with the frame to extend coverage of the landscape on the side of Place Ville Marie. There was some question over what diameter pinhole to use. The optimal would have been 1.34 mm giving us F/755, much to small given the overcast weather expected for April 28. In the end, I chose 1.8mm diameter, giving us F/564. This is only a few minutes exposure even on paper on a bright sunny day, but under overcast conditions and with reciprocity playing its trick, I knew that this would be relatively safe. In the end, a snow storm forced us to close the shutter around 12:45 on Sunday, earlier than we had anticipated, in order to avoid a white out of the image. While the tests strips we had placed on the extremities of the frame suggested then that we might be underexposed, the centre, by that time was quite over exposed. I guess we had forgotten that we would experience very heavy vignetting with such a short focal length (further compounded by reciprocity failure at the extremities). By Monday morning we were all packed up and leaving the hotel to move on to the next stage: the processing of the paper negative. Given the facilities we were using, we couldn't get started until late evening and we also had to build handmade processing tanks (5 x10 feet) from 2x4 lumber and heavy gauge plastic. We used 100 litters of developer and fix (way too much in retrospect) to fill the trays and unrolled each strip of 50 x 8 1/2 feet into the trays, one after the other, out into a quick stop bath and then into the fix. The negatives were then washed thoroughly and installed back to dry on same the wood frame we had used for exposure at the hotel. The result was just astounding. Imagine a 12 1/2 feet by 8 1/2 feet negative image with incredible details in every areas of the image (you can count the number of chairs on a hidden roof top sundeck of the Museum of Contemporary Arts and see pretty well inside the buildings closeby, enough to count how many chairs there are around the desks or worktables). Every details of the architecture landscape are clearly visible in the image but strangely distorted in some areas of the image through wide angle expansion and in other areas through telephoto compression. Because of the length of the time exposure (a little over 12 hrs), the whole city looks unnaturally empty from the constant agitation surrounding this area as if it had been deserted from all its inhabitants after a major disaster. Only the buildings, the trees, the sign and lamp posts and the cars parked on the street are visible with incredible details. Very daunting. The next stage for us is to do a contact print of the paper negative into a positive image. This is the trickiest part and we are still working on tests strips. We need to illuminate an area 12.5 x 8.5 feet, and there is about 7 stops density difference between the centre of the image (closest to the pinhole) and the edges. At this stage, we are working with a single lamp projector 15 feet above the print and centred just above the zone of heaviest density. I let you imagine the fun of changing contrast filtration between each tests...! The goal is to avoid having to do any burning and dodging by carefully configuring the way the light spreads over the image and to make 11x14 tests strips each time we change the configuration. So far so good. We have substantially reduced the 7 stops gap between the centre and the edges, but the last stop and a half is really hard to tackle Once this is solved, we will do a practice run and then do the final positive print in 3 copies. That should take place before the end of the month if we can align all of our own individual schedules with the schedule of
[pinhole-discussion] The Wyndham Montreal Pinhole Camera Project
Jeff, You have not missed any postings on the subject. It's jsust that I've been quite busy since April 28, working on this project and other priorities, and I have not had much time to report. In a nutshell, it's worked beyond our expectations. We have a 12 1/2 feet wide by 8 1/2 feet high pinhole image of incredible beauty, probably one of the largest ever made in modern pinhole history. Thanks to the support of Wyndham Montreal, we were able to have a 10th floor room for the WPPD weekend facing one of the most impressive landscape of Montreal, right in the centre of the cultural area. We started setting up our equipment in the room early Saturday afternoon and worked to make the room completely light tight. By midnight we had everything pretty well completed, all we had to do was to lower the 3 strips of 50 by 8 1/2 feet photographic paper (kindly supplied by Ilford Imaging Canada as a full roll of 100 feet) down the frame we had built and open the shutter, to officially start our WPPD2 experiment. We chose a 40 focal length to get as wide angle as possible on the landscape (the image covers from Place Ville Marie to Place des Arts, with the Mount Royal in the background, for anyone familiar with Montreal). We did a bit of a backswing with the frame to extend coverage of the landscape on the side of Place Ville Marie. There was some question over what diameter pinhole to use. The optimal would have been 1.34 mm giving us F/755, much to small given the overcast weather expected for April 28. In the end, I chose 1.8mm diameter, giving us F/564. This is only a few minutes exposure even on paper on a bright sunny day, but under overcast conditions and with reciprocity playing its trick, I knew that this would be relatively safe. In the end, a snow storm forced us to close the shutter around 12:45 on Sunday, earlier than we had anticipated, in order to avoid a white out of the image. While the tests strips we had placed on the extremities of the frame suggested then that we might be underexposed, the centre, by that time was quite over exposed. I guess we had forgotten that we would experience very heavy vignetting with such a short focal length (further compounded by reciprocity failure at the extremities). By Monday morning we were all packed up and leaving the hotel to move on to the next stage: the processing of the paper negative. Given the facilities we were using, we couldn't get started until late evening and we also had to build handmade processing tanks (5 x10 feet) from 2x4 lumber and heavy gauge plastic. We used 100 litters of developer and fix (way too much in retrospect) to fill the trays and unrolled each strip of 50 x 8 1/2 feet into the trays, one after the other, out into a quick stop bath and then into the fix. The negatives were then washed thoroughly and installed back to dry on same the wood frame we had used for exposure at the hotel. The result was just astounding. Imagine a 12 1/2 feet by 8 1/2 feet negative image with incredible details in every areas of the image (you can count the number of chairs on a hidden roof top sundeck of the Museum of Contemporary Arts and see pretty well inside the buildings closeby, enough to count how many chairs there are around the desks or worktables). Every details of the architecture landscape are clearly visible in the image but strangely distorted in some areas of the image through wide angle expansion and in other areas through telephoto compression. Because of the length of the time exposure (a little over 12 hrs), the whole city looks unnaturally empty from the constant agitation surrounding this area as if it had been deserted from all its inhabitants after a major disaster. Only the buildings, the trees, the sign and lamp posts and the cars parked on the street are visible with incredible details. Very daunting. The next stage for us is to do a contact print of the paper negative into a positive image. This is the trickiest part and we are still working on tests strips. We need to illuminate an area 12.5 x 8.5 feet, and there is about 7 stops density difference between the centre of the image (closest to the pinhole) and the edges. At this stage, we are working with a single lamp projector 15 feet above the print and centred just above the zone of heaviest density. I let you imagine the fun of changing contrast filtration between each tests...! The goal is to avoid having to do any burning and dodging by carefully configuring the way the light spreads over the image and to make 11x14 tests strips each time we change the configuration. So far so good. We have substantially reduced the 7 stops gap between the centre and the edges, but the last stop and a half is really hard to tackle Once this is solved, we will do a practice run and then do the final positive print in 3 copies. That should take place before the end of the month if we can align all of our own individual schedules with the schedule of
