Re: [pinhole-discussion] Still Life Compositions-a source for help
Hi Chip-- Thanks for the nice comments on my work! Happy pinholing-- Jan pinholeren...@netscape.net wrote: checkout Jan Kapoor's site . she does fantastic still life work she is on this list [I am pretty sure].she has replyed to my questions in the past. chip renner __ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ -- Lightworks Fine Art Photography at http://lightwork.cnchost.com Pinhole, Alt-Process, Large Format and Digital Imagery by Jan Kapoor
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Still Life Compositions
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RE: [pinhole-discussion] Still Life Compositions
Get a 25 sheet box of 4x5 film...mount a pinhole in it. Double sided tape a sheet of paper/film inside... expose. It's really fun. I end up using a .016 hole (I cheat..I drill sand using a #80 drill from a good hobby shop). happy new year andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Michael Healy Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 8:03 PM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Still Life Compositions Sounds fantastic! Yesterday I got an idea while I was experimenting w/ the 360 mm pinhole on 4x5. If I held a polaroid at a certain distance that reproduced the scale of the actual scene, then I figured I'd know how to frame a shot w/o a polaroid. Next I tried it with a polaroid shot w/ the 50 mm. I couldn't do it, though. As soon as I started holding it close enough, my ^#%@ nose kept getting in the way. I wish I could get my camera could go down to 25 mm. Mark, if you want to trade... Personally, I think tabletop could get pretty interesting. What you want, though, is an empty airline hangar for a backdrop... Mike - Original Message - From: erick...@hickorytech.net To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Still Life Compositions I'll defend a 1 Fl on 4x5. The first camera I ever built had 0.75 Fl and I've had great fun with it. It has a wonderfully wide acceptance angle and makes a nice round image on 4x5 film. Placed 0.75 inches away from the object it gives a life size image. - Original Message - From: Michael Healy mjhe...@kcnet.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Still Life Compositions I need to ask you a dumb question. You are able to get 25 mm of focal length on 4x5? What equipment are you employing, that you can do this? That's a separation of 1 lousy inch from pinhole to film plane, isn't it? I'd love to try that myself. My monorail and bag bellows **AND** recessed lens board allow me a fat, gross, long-length 50 mm. What is your trick? Okay, another dumb question. With that kind of coverage on tabletop, it kind of seems like you're going to get the doorway behind you in the image, plus six miles down the length of the hallway, to say nothing of your own entire carcass. So I'm kind of wondering, why are you working with 25 mm? That it distorts, would be one good reason. But you'll get distortion with 40-60 mm, won't you? Do you have to stick to 25 mm? If I didn't like it that I was getting so much into the frame, that probably would be my first point of reassessment. Give yourself some bellows. I mean, unless you can position your camera so it's a quarter of an inch from your subject matter. I tried that recently w/ table top myself. The camera actually cast a shadow onto my subject. Impossible. Mike Healy - Original Message - From: Mark Andrews mandr...@dragonbones.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 6:47 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Still Life Compositions I am novice pinhole photographer looking for some advice regarding shooting still life compositions with my 4X5 Pinhole Camera (25mm focal length). My issue is that I am trying to limit the elements in my composition, but tend to pick up a significant amount of the surrounding area no mater how close I am to the still life composition. Is it possible to limit the surrounding area? I've seen other pinhole still lifes with a limited composition--perhaps this was accomplished in the darkroom? Many thanks in advance for any advice you can offer. ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Still Life Compositions
The normalway to do this is to have some sort of neutral background under/behind the elements in the composition. In lens photography, the usual trick is to position the backdrop far enough from the objects that the backdrop is out of focus. Obviously, this isn't going to work with a pinhole. That being the case, you will need to arange for the smoothest possible background, OR a background that is very dark (i.e. light the subject, don't light the background). Mike Vande Bunt Mark Andrews wrote: I am novice pinhole photographer looking for some advice regarding shooting still life compositions with my 4X5 Pinhole Camera (25mm focal length). My issue is that I am trying to limit the elements in my composition, but tend to pick up a significant amount of the surrounding area no mater how close I am to the still life composition. Is it possible to limit the surrounding area? I've seen other pinhole still lifes with a limited composition--perhaps this was accomplished in the darkroom? Many thanks in advance for any advice you can offer. ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Still Life Compositions
Mark may actually be refering to a 25mm equivalent in 35mm terms. I know the dual focal length (4x5) pinhole camera I purchased lists it's focal lengths in 35mm terms: a super wide 12mm and wide 25mm. Sincerly, Andrew Amundsen Mike Healy wrote: I need to ask you a dumb question. You are able to get 25 mm of focal length on 4x5? What equipment are you employing, that you can do this? That's a separation of 1 lousy inch from pinhole to film plane, isn't it? I'd love to try that myself. My monorail and bag bellows **AND** recessed lens board allow me a fat, gross, long-length 50 mm. What is your trick? Okay, another dumb question. With that kind of coverage on tabletop, it kind of seems like you're going to get the doorway behind you in the image, plus six miles down the length of the hallway, to say nothing of your own entire carcass. So I'm kind of wondering, why are you working with 25 mm? That it distorts, would be one good reason. But you'll get distortion with 40-60 mm, won't you? Do you have to stick to 25 mm? If I didn't like it that I was getting so much into the frame, that probably would be my first point of reassessment. Give yourself some bellows. I mean, unless you can position your camera so it's a quarter of an inch from your subject matter. I tried that recently w/ table top myself. The camera actually cast a shadow onto my subject. Impossible. Mike Healy - Original Message - From: Mark Andrews mandr...@dragonbones.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 6:47 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Still Life Compositions I am novice pinhole photographer looking for some advice regarding shooting still life compositions with my 4X5 Pinhole Camera (25mm focal length). My issue is that I am trying to limit the elements in my composition, but tend to pick up a significant amount of the surrounding area no mater how close I am to the still life composition. Is it possible to limit the surrounding area? I've seen other pinhole still lifes with a limited composition--perhaps this was accomplished in the darkroom?
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Still Life Compositions
I'll defend a 1 Fl on 4x5. The first camera I ever built had 0.75 Fl and I've had great fun with it. It has a wonderfully wide acceptance angle and makes a nice round image on 4x5 film. Placed 0.75 inches away from the object it gives a life size image. - Original Message - From: Michael Healy mjhe...@kcnet.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Still Life Compositions I need to ask you a dumb question. You are able to get 25 mm of focal length on 4x5? What equipment are you employing, that you can do this? That's a separation of 1 lousy inch from pinhole to film plane, isn't it? I'd love to try that myself. My monorail and bag bellows **AND** recessed lens board allow me a fat, gross, long-length 50 mm. What is your trick? Okay, another dumb question. With that kind of coverage on tabletop, it kind of seems like you're going to get the doorway behind you in the image, plus six miles down the length of the hallway, to say nothing of your own entire carcass. So I'm kind of wondering, why are you working with 25 mm? That it distorts, would be one good reason. But you'll get distortion with 40-60 mm, won't you? Do you have to stick to 25 mm? If I didn't like it that I was getting so much into the frame, that probably would be my first point of reassessment. Give yourself some bellows. I mean, unless you can position your camera so it's a quarter of an inch from your subject matter. I tried that recently w/ table top myself. The camera actually cast a shadow onto my subject. Impossible. Mike Healy - Original Message - From: Mark Andrews mandr...@dragonbones.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 6:47 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Still Life Compositions I am novice pinhole photographer looking for some advice regarding shooting still life compositions with my 4X5 Pinhole Camera (25mm focal length). My issue is that I am trying to limit the elements in my composition, but tend to pick up a significant amount of the surrounding area no mater how close I am to the still life composition. Is it possible to limit the surrounding area? I've seen other pinhole still lifes with a limited composition--perhaps this was accomplished in the darkroom? Many thanks in advance for any advice you can offer. ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Still Life Compositions
You can either get closer to your composition, or choose a neutral background, or selectively light your composition and leave the background darker. Or you can burn in the background during printing. - Original Message - From: Mark Andrews mandr...@dragonbones.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 7:47 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Still Life Compositions I am novice pinhole photographer looking for some advice regarding shooting still life compositions with my 4X5 Pinhole Camera (25mm focal length). My issue is that I am trying to limit the elements in my composition, but tend to pick up a significant amount of the surrounding area no mater how close I am to the still life composition. Is it possible to limit the surrounding area? I've seen other pinhole still lifes with a limited composition--perhaps this was accomplished in the darkroom? Many thanks in advance for any advice you can offer. ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
