Re: [PLUG] Email services

2024-01-09 Thread Rich Shepard

On Tue, 9 Jan 2024, Paul Heinlein wrote:


I use SendGrid for outbound mail from madboa.com because most large mail
services nowadays don't trust one-off cloud VMs to send mail. (Which isn't
stupid, per se, but is frustrating since I have gone out of the way to do
all the right things regarding DMARC, DKIM, SPF, etc.)


Paul,

Thank you. I decided to use an outbound mailing service to contact
prospective clients rather than using a bash script and mailx.

Anyway, I use smtp.sendgrid.net as my relay host; it requires a (free, for 
me, since I don't send much mail) API key to use.


I won't be sending a lot of mail frequently so my initial impression is that
their free account would work for me, too.


It mostly works. There are two irritations for me:

First, sendgrid must either sell its mailing list or there is a known way
to harvest sendgrid user accounts because I get phishing/spam concerning
(not from, just concerning) sendgrid with some frequency.


I get a lot of sendgrid spam, too, from their other users. They're good at
following up on my UCE reports.


Second, if you send mail to a non-existent account, you don't get a direct
SMTP notice. I've had to log into sendgrid's web interface to inspect
and/or empty that list. Until you remove the address from that online
list, you can't send mail to it again. (This is an issue for me at work,
for reasons I don't care to explain here.)


Okay. I think it unlikely I'll trip this non-action, but it's good to know.

Much appreciated,

Rich


Re: [PLUG] Email services

2024-01-09 Thread Paul Heinlein

On Tue, 9 Jan 2024, Rich Shepard wrote:

Has anyone here experiences with SendGrid or MailJet? If so, please 
share them with me, good and bad.


I use SendGrid for outbound mail from madboa.com because most large 
mail services nowadays don't trust one-off cloud VMs to send mail. 
(Which isn't stupid, per se, but is frustrating since I have gone out 
of the way to do all the right things regarding DMARC, DKIM, SPF, 
etc.)


Anyway, I use smtp.sendgrid.net as my relay host; it requires a (free, 
for me, since I don't send much mail) API key to use.


It mostly works. There are two irritations for me:

First, sendgrid must either sell its mailing list or there is a known 
way to harvest sendgrid user accounts because I get phishing/spam 
concerning (not from, just concerning) sendgrid with some frequency.


Second, if you send mail to a non-existent account, you don't get a 
direct SMTP notice. I've had to log into sendgrid's web interface to 
inspect and/or empty that list. Until you remove the address from that 
online list, you can't send mail to it again. (This is an issue for me 
at work, for reasons I don't care to explain here.)


--
Paul Heinlein
heinl...@madboa.com
45°22'48" N, 122°35'36" W


[PLUG] Email services

2024-01-09 Thread Rich Shepard

Has anyone here experiences with SendGrid or MailJet? If so, please share
them with me, good and bad.

TIA,

Rich