Re: [pmwiki-users] Quotes and dashes
On Saturday, 7 July 2007 9:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. Quotes and dashes... (Charles Little) 3. Re: Quotes and dashes... (Patrick R. Michaud) 4. Re: Quotes and dashes... (Charles Little) Message: 4 Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 15:28:43 -0400 From: Charles Little [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [pmwiki-users] Quotes and dashes... To: Patrick R. Michaud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 7/6/07, Patrick R. Michaud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 01:19:10PM -0400, Charles Little wrote: I recently upgraded my site from pmwiki 2.1beta4 to 2.1.27, and am seeing some differences in formatting. All of the symbols have been replaced with their html representation rather than the actual ASCII character. On the browsers of some of my users, these are not interpreted correctly. How can I return to the normal way of formatting? PmWiki doesn't change the way symbols are formatted -- it must be something else that has caused the change. Perhaps a recipe isn't working properly...? Is there a url where we could see the problem you're describing? http://wiki.gamera.cc If you view source, then look at the portion where the menu is coded (around line 148), you will see the following: /lilia class='wikilink' href='http://wiki.gamera.cc/index.php?n=TheNam.HomePage'The lsquo;Nam/a The markup for this entry is * [[The 'Nam/HomePage|The 'Nam]] Also at the bottom of the sidebar, I have an entry for the beginner's guide... the text is marked up as: href='http://wiki.gamera.cc/index.php?n=Main.BeginnersGuide'Beginnerrsquo;s Guide/abr / Let me know if have any other questions. Thanks! This is the smart quotes part of the markup extensions -- it changes straight quotes to smart quotes. Which browser is unable to render these correctly? You can disable the smart quotes part of the extension if you prefer. JR ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Quotes and dashes...
On 7/6/07, Patrick R. Michaud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 01:19:10PM -0400, Charles Little wrote: I recently upgraded my site from pmwiki 2.1beta4 to 2.1.27, and am seeing some differences in formatting. All of the symbols have been replaced with their html representation rather than the actual ASCII character. On the browsers of some of my users, these are not interpreted correctly. How can I return to the normal way of formatting? PmWiki doesn't change the way symbols are formatted -- it must be something else that has caused the change. Perhaps a recipe isn't working properly...? Is there a url where we could see the problem you're describing? http://wiki.gamera.cc If you view source, then look at the portion where the menu is coded (around line 148), you will see the following: /lilia class='wikilink' href='http://wiki.gamera.cc/index.php?n=TheNam.HomePage'The lsquo;Nam/a The markup for this entry is * [[The 'Nam/HomePage|The 'Nam]] Also at the bottom of the sidebar, I have an entry for the beginner's guide... the text is marked up as: href='http://wiki.gamera.cc/index.php?n=Main.BeginnersGuide'B eginnerrsquo;s Guide/abr / Let me know if have any other questions. Thanks! ___ Forwarding this again as it seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle. Thanks for any help you can provide! ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Quotes and dashes...
On Sunday 08 July 2007, Charles Little wrote: On 7/6/07, Patrick R. Michaud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 01:19:10PM -0400, Charles Little wrote: I recently upgraded my site from pmwiki 2.1beta4 to 2.1.27, and am seeing some differences in formatting. All of the symbols have been replaced with their html representation rather than the actual ASCII character. On the browsers of some of my users, these are not interpreted correctly. How can I return to the normal way of formatting? PmWiki doesn't change the way symbols are formatted -- it must be something else that has caused the change. Perhaps a recipe isn't working properly...? Is there a url where we could see the problem you're describing? http://wiki.gamera.cc If you view source, then look at the portion where the menu is coded (around line 148), you will see the following: /lilia class='wikilink' href='http://wiki.gamera.cc/index.php?n=TheNam.HomePage'The lsquo;Nam/a The markup for this entry is * [[The 'Nam/HomePage|The 'Nam]] Also at the bottom of the sidebar, I have an entry for the beginner's guide... the text is marked up as: href='http://wiki.gamera.cc/index.php?n=Main.BeginnersGuide'B eginnerrsquo;s Guide/abr / Let me know if have any other questions. Thanks! ___ Forwarding this again as it seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle. Thanks for any help you can provide! Hi. I have experienced a similar problem, and it is not caused by pmwiki, but by the browsers. When the browser (Mozilla-clone, possibly others too) submits a form, it checks if there are any characters outside the scope of the current code page or encoding (in your case, iso8859-1) [1]. If it is the case, it will change them to an entity; variant, if available, and if not, will use the Unicode number of the character, like #2345;. When most browsers display the page, there will be no problem, as the entity will be shown as a character. However, some browsers may fail to display it, and it seems to be your case. In my browser your page displays fine. Additionally, when you have such an entity; character inside a link target (a page name), PmWiki may strip the and ; and will believe there is another linked page. To solve your problem you can do two things: 1. Use normal apostrophes instead of back-ticks or other symbols: The 'Nam instead of The `Nam. These symbols may appear without your knowledge if you are using a word processor instead of the wiki text areas. 2. Upgrade your site to Unicode (utf-8). This will allow much more characters in page names. Note that this is a very advanced topic (knowledge and experience needed) as it may be very difficult or impossible to upgrade if you have many pages. Some day there will be a recipe that will automatically convert the while site from an obsolete encoding to UTF-8, but not in the nearest future. Thanks, Petko [1] To see which characters are available in iso8859-1, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO8859-1 . Others *will* be translated to entities or Unicode codepoints. ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Quotes and dashes...
I have experienced a similar problem, and it is not caused by pmwiki, but by the browsers. Hi! Thanks for the response. I understand what you are saying, but something still baffles me that makes me think something else is going on. I've been using this wiki for a few years now, and have *never* had this problem. It was only after the upgrade that it was reported, and there haven't been any changes in the browsers used to view it. Thoughts? ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Quotes and dashes...
On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 01:19:10PM -0400, Charles Little wrote: I recently upgraded my site from pmwiki 2.1beta4 to 2.1.27, and am seeing some differences in formatting. All of the symbols have been replaced with their html representation rather than the actual ASCII character. On the browsers of some of my users, these are not interpreted correctly. How can I return to the normal way of formatting? PmWiki doesn't change the way symbols are formatted -- it must be something else that has caused the change. Perhaps a recipe isn't working properly...? Is there a url where we could see the problem you're describing? Pm ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
Re: [pmwiki-users] Quotes and dashes...
On 7/6/07, Patrick R. Michaud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 01:19:10PM -0400, Charles Little wrote: I recently upgraded my site from pmwiki 2.1beta4 to 2.1.27, and am seeing some differences in formatting. All of the symbols have been replaced with their html representation rather than the actual ASCII character. On the browsers of some of my users, these are not interpreted correctly. How can I return to the normal way of formatting? PmWiki doesn't change the way symbols are formatted -- it must be something else that has caused the change. Perhaps a recipe isn't working properly...? Is there a url where we could see the problem you're describing? http://wiki.gamera.cc If you view source, then look at the portion where the menu is coded (around line 148), you will see the following: /lilia class='wikilink' href='http://wiki.gamera.cc/index.php?n=TheNam.HomePage'The lsquo;Nam/a The markup for this entry is * [[The 'Nam/HomePage|The 'Nam]] Also at the bottom of the sidebar, I have an entry for the beginner's guide... the text is marked up as: href='http://wiki.gamera.cc/index.php?n=Main.BeginnersGuide'Beginnerrsquo;s Guide/abr / Let me know if have any other questions. Thanks! ___ pmwiki-users mailing list pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
