Re: Prezydent KPA o dyskryminacyjnej polityce USA

1999-10-22 Wątek Jacek Kupinski

SKANDAL NA MIARE PAKTU RIBBENTROP MOLOTOW.
I po co my wchodzilismy to tego nato. I jak tu mozna spokojnie
dyskutowac na tematy stosunkow polsko-zydowskich.

Jacek Kupinski

Zbigniew J Koziol wrote:

 Witam,

 PAC (Polish-American Congress) zwraca sie z prosba o udzial wszystkich z
 Polonii Amerykanskiej w kampanii politycznej majacej podkreslic oburzenie
 Polonii spowodowane lekcewazeniem interesow Polakow przez rzad USA oraz
 Niemiec w rokowaniach dotyczacych rekompensat za roboty przymusowe w czasie
 drugiej wojny swiatowej. Przytaczam nizej tekst jaki zostal wyslany przez PAC
 na liste APAP. Uwazam, ze PAC zajmuje wlasciwa postawe i ze sytuacja w tej
 chwili wymaga rzeczywiscie udzialu tych, ktorzy sa do tego uprawnieni, w
 protestowaniu dyskryminacyjnej w stosunku do Polakow polityki amerykanskiej.
 Dlatego bardzo zachecam tych z Was ktorzy sa do tego uprawnieni do wysylania
 protestow do wladz amerykanskich. Mnie sie zdaje, ze obecna sytuacja oraz
 reakcja Polonii moze miec duze znaczenie dla przyszlosci. Przytaczam nizej
 oswiadczenie Prezydenta KPA.

 zB.
 _

 Subject: Moskal on Slave Labor
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 23:58:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: "PAC Washington" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 GERMAN COMPENSATION OFFER
 EXCLUDES MAJORITY OF POLES

 Statement by Edward J. Moskal
 Chicago, October 18, 1999.

 Shades of Yalta! The sellout of Polish interests at the meetings on October
 6 and 7, 1999, between Germans and representatives from countries occupied
 by the Nazis during World War II, brought back unpleasant memories of the
 shameful manner in which Poland had been treated over five decades ago. This
 time it was the German Government and the U.S. State Department who
 concocted a compensation agreement that would nullify the rights of numerous
 slave and forced laborers, survivors of the Polish Holocaust.

 The German Government and the State Department have agreed that $2.4 billion
 is an adequate sum for slave and forced laborers. Worse, their agreement
 totally excludes agricultural and municipal laborers. That exclusion
 severely restricts the potential of compensation on the part of Poles, as
 the majority of them were forced to work in the agricultural or public
 sectors. As a result, approximately 60% of the Polish survivors, who would
 otherwise be eligible for compensation, are excluded under the German
 Government's offer.

 It is a bitter irony that the Germany Government and the U.S. State
 Department would stand together against the interests of those who suffered
 under German aggression and occupation. Contemporary political concerns are
 seemingly more important to our State Department, however, as it seeks to
 bolster the diminishing popularity of Schroeders German government. And,
 the Germans are so pleased with the developments of negotiations thus far,
 that they have even suggested that the State Departments Stuart Eizenstat,
 ever concerned with German and Jewish interests, should continue as leader
 of the next round of negotiations.

 Survivors are divided roughly into four categories. Two of the categories
 cover concentration camp prisoners and persons compelled to perform labor
 for private German industry, as well as the accompanying or separated
 children of such persons. Two additional categories include those forced to
 work in agriculture and laboring under the control of a municipality. The
 latter category composed of agricultural and governmental forced laborers
 was excluded from the German offer.

 German companies were often willing exploiters of slave and forced laborers.
 Some of them are well-known to Americans. For example, Bayer, the huge
 manufacturer of aspirin and other medicinal products, in addition to
 approving experimentation on prisoners, used Poles and others on the floor
 of its plants. Ewa and Marian Kor were Poles among those upon whom Bayers
 "medication" was forcibly experimented. Ford Werke AG, Fords German
 subsidiary, also used forced labor. Elsa Iwanowa recalls that she was just
 ten years old when she and 1200 other Slavs were imported to Germany like
 animals. She lost her name and was given a number for identification by her
 German industrial masters.

 Most Poles, however, were assigned to forced labor on farms or put to heavy
 work under government agencies, such as road repairs or bridge
 reconstruction. In most cases, they were subjected to horrific treatment.
 Under the German Government's proposal, with which the U.S. State Department
 concurs, they will not receive any compensation.

 Although $2.4 billion seems at first to be a generous sum, it must be
 considered in terms of German resources. The German company Mercedes Benz
 alone, for instance, has assets valued at approximately $134 billion. The
 recent move of the German capital from Bonn to Berlin just this past year
 has cost an estimated $12 billion. In comparison, the German offer is
 paltry.

 

Re: Prezydent KPA o dyskryminacyjnej polityce USA

1999-10-22 Wątek Lukasz Salwinski

SKANDAL NA MIARE PAKTU RIBBENTROP MOLOTOW.
I po co my wchodzilismy to tego nato. I jak tu mozna spokojnie
dyskutowac na tematy stosunkow polsko-zydowskich.

Jacek Kupinski

prawda, ze raczej nieprzyjemne. ale zeby od razu 'na miare' ?
pane, nie ta skala - w efekcie paktu zginelo czy zostale
wywiezionych na sybir conajmniej pareset tysiecy ludzi. a tu ?

lukasz



Prezydent KPA o dyskryminacyjnej polityce USA

1999-10-20 Wątek Zbigniew J Koziol

Witam,

PAC (Polish-American Congress) zwraca sie z prosba o udzial wszystkich z
Polonii Amerykanskiej w kampanii politycznej majacej podkreslic oburzenie
Polonii spowodowane lekcewazeniem interesow Polakow przez rzad USA oraz
Niemiec w rokowaniach dotyczacych rekompensat za roboty przymusowe w czasie
drugiej wojny swiatowej. Przytaczam nizej tekst jaki zostal wyslany przez PAC
na liste APAP. Uwazam, ze PAC zajmuje wlasciwa postawe i ze sytuacja w tej
chwili wymaga rzeczywiscie udzialu tych, ktorzy sa do tego uprawnieni, w
protestowaniu dyskryminacyjnej w stosunku do Polakow polityki amerykanskiej.
Dlatego bardzo zachecam tych z Was ktorzy sa do tego uprawnieni do wysylania
protestow do wladz amerykanskich. Mnie sie zdaje, ze obecna sytuacja oraz
reakcja Polonii moze miec duze znaczenie dla przyszlosci. Przytaczam nizej
oswiadczenie Prezydenta KPA.

zB.
_

Subject: Moskal on Slave Labor
   Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 23:58:18 -0400 (EDT)
   From: "PAC Washington" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

GERMAN COMPENSATION OFFER
EXCLUDES MAJORITY OF POLES

Statement by Edward J. Moskal
Chicago, October 18, 1999.

Shades of Yalta! The sellout of Polish interests at the meetings on October
6 and 7, 1999, between Germans and representatives from countries occupied
by the Nazis during World War II, brought back unpleasant memories of the
shameful manner in which Poland had been treated over five decades ago. This
time it was the German Government and the U.S. State Department who
concocted a compensation agreement that would nullify the rights of numerous
slave and forced laborers, survivors of the Polish Holocaust.

The German Government and the State Department have agreed that $2.4 billion
is an adequate sum for slave and forced laborers. Worse, their agreement
totally excludes agricultural and municipal laborers. That exclusion
severely restricts the potential of compensation on the part of Poles, as
the majority of them were forced to work in the agricultural or public
sectors. As a result, approximately 60% of the Polish survivors, who would
otherwise be eligible for compensation, are excluded under the German
Government's offer.

It is a bitter irony that the Germany Government and the U.S. State
Department would stand together against the interests of those who suffered
under German aggression and occupation. Contemporary political concerns are
seemingly more important to our State Department, however, as it seeks to
bolster the diminishing popularity of Schroeders German government. And,
the Germans are so pleased with the developments of negotiations thus far,
that they have even suggested that the State Departments Stuart Eizenstat,
ever concerned with German and Jewish interests, should continue as leader
of the next round of negotiations.

Survivors are divided roughly into four categories. Two of the categories
cover concentration camp prisoners and persons compelled to perform labor
for private German industry, as well as the accompanying or separated
children of such persons. Two additional categories include those forced to
work in agriculture and laboring under the control of a municipality. The
latter category composed of agricultural and governmental forced laborers
was excluded from the German offer.

German companies were often willing exploiters of slave and forced laborers.
Some of them are well-known to Americans. For example, Bayer, the huge
manufacturer of aspirin and other medicinal products, in addition to
approving experimentation on prisoners, used Poles and others on the floor
of its plants. Ewa and Marian Kor were Poles among those upon whom Bayers
"medication" was forcibly experimented. Ford Werke AG, Fords German
subsidiary, also used forced labor. Elsa Iwanowa recalls that she was just
ten years old when she and 1200 other Slavs were imported to Germany like
animals. She lost her name and was given a number for identification by her
German industrial masters.

Most Poles, however, were assigned to forced labor on farms or put to heavy
work under government agencies, such as road repairs or bridge
reconstruction. In most cases, they were subjected to horrific treatment.
Under the German Government's proposal, with which the U.S. State Department
concurs, they will not receive any compensation.

Although $2.4 billion seems at first to be a generous sum, it must be
considered in terms of German resources. The German company Mercedes Benz
alone, for instance, has assets valued at approximately $134 billion. The
recent move of the German capital from Bonn to Berlin just this past year
has cost an estimated $12 billion. In comparison, the German offer is
paltry.

Critics state that German companies have delayed concluding an agreement as
the passage of years results in a dwindling number of potential
beneficiaries. The next meeting regarding compensation to slave and forced
laborers is scheduled to be held in Berlin on November 16 and