[libreoffice-projects] minutes of Hackfest TNG call, 2017-09-17 14:30UTC
Hi, tl;dr: Preliminary plan is to go for a "testdrive" LibreOffice TNG Hackfest on: - December 9th/10th 2017 - in Hamburg with a follow-up in spring after FOSDEM -- likely in Italy. more notes on the topics discussed during the Hackfest TNG call today (not exactly in chronological order): - attendance: Eike, Florian, Marina, Osvaldo, Bjoern - topics to discuss (Bjoern): - Where? What? When? Who? - What topics to set for the Hackfest? - OSX Updater <- suggestion on the Wiki - very specific (Bjoern) - Moggi expertise (Eike) - UI/UX topics maybe, easier to get started (Bjoern) - but also bikesheds - and translation relevant - unlikely to be much of an issue compared to all the other changes we do (Eike) - moving Draw towards DTP (Marina) - was discussed on telegram and elsewhere recently - multipage textflows etc. - likely much to broadly scoped for a Hackfest (Bjoern) - GSOC ideas: - GSOC ideas to large -- they are already scoped for at leat a few months of contribution (Eike) - "Interesting EasyHack": - https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/EasyHacks/lists/by_Difficulty#More_Interesting_Easy_Hacks - probably bestfitting scopewise for a start (Eike, Bjoern) AI: - Preselect a set of topics from the list (Eike, Bjoern) - When to have the Hackfest? (Bjoern) - Not before the conference, at least a few weeks of separation from the conference to not be overlooked => no earlier than late November - late November is branch off, consultants might be time-constrained due to other duties - by calendar week 50, those commitments should have reasonably cooled off (Eike) - later is already too close to Christmas (Eike) => thus best date is likelt DECEMBER 9TH and 10TH - should be fixed at the conference - tight schedule, lets do this event as a "testdrive" - follow-up Hackfest after FOSDEM, so: - earliest mid-March - possibly in connection with DFD (Marina) - Month of LibreOffice contribution in May again (Osvaldo, Bjoern) - "Just" November/December and April/May Hackfests would limit us to two per year, maybe we can try to do more again like we e.g. did around 2014 (Bjoern) - Where to have the Hackfest? (Bjoern) - three european local communities showed interest in hosting this: France, Italy and Germany (Bjoern) - possible locations in Italy: - Perugia (Osvaldo) - remembering travel time was a bit of a obstacle last time (Bjoern) - travel time not too bad: 2/3h from Rome (Eike) - not possible in November/December (Osvaldo) - still a candidate for ~May (Osvaldo) - Milan (Marina) - easy to reach (3 airports available) - city holiday and national holiday on December 7th and 8th => not possible on 9th/10th - still a candidate for spring - possible locations in Germany: - Hamburg (Bjoern) - lots of LibreOffice hacker on the ground - multiple candidates for a venue - not too nice weatherwise in December (Eike) - "hacking with Gluehwein" :/ (Bjoern) - Berlin or Essen also possible (Florian) => going for Hamburg, most resources on the ground on this short notice - Italy shortlisted for follow-up Hackfest in ~spring - Who will attend? Who will do pairprogramming? AI: - Scout for people willing to learn about LibreOffice code by pairprogramming esp. in the German community (Eike, Bjoern, Florian) - Of course, interested members of ALL international communities are invited - travel and accomodation will be provided as usual - Next call: - until further notice assume same place, same time in 14 days - thus 2017-10-01 14:30UTC/16:30 Berlin time - call closed at 2017-09-17 15:30 UTC. @Marina, Osvaldo, Eike, Florian: My notetaking is not the best -- please correct me or add comments when I made errors or omissions. Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call: 2016-08-18
* Present: Norbert, Sophie, Armin, Stephan, Robinson, Christian, Thorsten, Jan-Marek, Bjoern, Eike, Miklos, Lionel, Olivier, Heiko * Completed Action Items: + fixed with 62c4a8aacf76771e97a8da35096e6ad69a11979a - was: explain the reason why "make debug=T" doesnt build with symbols anymore / bring it to some ESC when Stephan is here (Stephan / Bjoern) + for breeze etc. originals, find out who needs commit access & enable them to do it (Heiko) + Breeze & co. originals in git should be done http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/kendy-collabora-com-Minutes-of-ESC-call-2016-08-11-tp4190974p4190988.html + approve https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/27028/ and https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/27857/ (Cloph) * Pending Action Items: + poke at MSDN licenses (Michael) [ waiting for a response on new process, on holiday ? ] + investigate a cron job that queries & auto-merges (Norbert) [ the solution proposed by David - using his query & a JSON script to refine it - will work - needs a bit more python (Norbert) ] + tweak UI and get LiveConnect API key / build case for board (Christian) + still need to get API key, rest is done + attempt to re-build a recent gstreamer 1.0 / core spec file on our CentOS6 base (tdf#94508) (Christian) + Program committee to work on the Conf. program (Kendy, Thorsten, Italo, Marina) * Release Engineering update (Christian) + no release this week, rc1 last week rc2 next week (cloph) + all on track (cloph) + 5.1 → 5.1.6 rc1 Oct 4th + 5.2 → 5.2.1 rc2 next Tue (Aug 23rd) + 5.3 → 5.3.0 alpha 1 Oct 18th + Android & iOS Remote * LibreOffice Conference in Brno (Kendy) + kendy away, anyone else? + shm_get: see ya there + erAck: prep slides! * Membership Committee plug (Michael) + Please send nominations and self-nominations via e-mail to electi...@documentfoundation.org (which reaches the Board of Directors in private) and also (!) to board-disc...@documentfoundation.org (which is a public mailing list). We kindly ask nominees who would like to stand for elections to provide a statement of up to 75 words on their candidacy as continuous text (so no bullet lists or multiple paragraphs). In addition, please also provide your full name, e-mail address and your corporate affiliation, if any, and please announce that you will provide information on all future changes as soon as possible. + tooling uses git & is user-friendly for devs. * Documentation (Olivier) + Help page for doc classification in. -> vm173.documentfoundation.org/text/swriter/classificationbar.xhp + Preparing help page for CMIS setup and usage -> Found CMIS access very slow in cmis.alfresco.com/cmisatom -> will install Alfresco community in laptop to study check-in/check-out real case + Writer Guide book under review by Jean Weber + Getting Started 5.2 open for update -> Community slow to jump in (vacations?). + Bjoern: blocking on something from dev/infra? + infra to put link for Q&A for 5.3, not urgent (askbot or something else) * GSoC 2016 (Thorsten) + Next deadline is August 23rd 19:00 UTC for students to submit their work + Mentors then review, final deadline for mentor eval is August 29th + reminder - blogging at a minimum helps docs / QA teams etc. + !!! soft pen-down next Monday (15th), on 23rd deliver & package + to be frozen and delivered after that + important that the students deliver that on time, otherwise they'll be failed + 6 students attending the Conference + no news, make students document/blog wildly (Thorsten) * UX Update (Heiko) + from: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/kendy-collabora-com-Minutes-of-ESC-call-2016-08-11-tp4190974p4190988.html + ux-advice: keep it, because many bugs are not easy to file against a certain component + tracking of needsux: sure, can do that; but many people may understand enhancements similar to ux, which needs to get covered (or better we restrict our trust in the numbers) + no semantic difference between "component:LibreOffice keyword:needsUXeval" and "component:ux-advise" (Bjoern) + introduced keyword, to allow component linked (Heiko) + component for newcomers (Heiko) + personally like to keep both (Heiko) + 350 and 150 in each bucket (Bjoern) + component:LibreOffice is the catch-all (Bjoern) + watch compoment for mailing list? (Heiko) + get a email for every bug change and filter (Thorsten) + ML create false impression there might be a discussion (Thorsten) + actual discussion should happen (Eike) + RSS Feed for query: https://www.bugzilla.org/features/#buglist-formats (Jan-Marek) AI + move component:ux-advise to component:LibreOffice keyword:UX as ninja-edit (R
[libreoffice-projects] [ke...@collabora.com: Minutes of ESC call: 2016-08-11]
Forwarding ESC minutes as they seem to be missing on projects@ - Forwarded message from Jan Holesovsky - Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 17:07:34 +0200 From: Jan Holesovsky To: libreoffice-dev , Libreoffice-qa Subject: Minutes of ESC call: 2016-08-11 X-Mailer: Evolution 3.12.11 * Present: Lionel, Eike, Sophie, Christian, jan I, Kendy, Caolán, David, Armin, Michael S, Robinson, Jan-Marek, Thorsten * Completed Action Items: + ask for the script to change ::std -> std, check it in & queued up for the merge window (JanI) * Pending Action Items: + poke at MSDN licenses (Michael) [ waiting for a response on new process, on holiday ? ] + investigate a cron job that queries & auto-merges (Norbert) [ the solution proposed by David - using his query & a JSON script to refine it - will work - needs a bit more python (Norbert) ] + tweak UI and get LiveConnect API key / build case for board (Christian) + attempt to re-build a recent gstreamer 1.0 / core spec file on our CentOS6 base (tdf#94508) (Christian) + Program committee to work on the Conf. program (Kendy, Thorsten, Italo, Marina) + for breeze etc. originals, find out who needs commit access & enable them to do it (Heiko) * Release Engineering update (Christian) + 5.1.6 - in October + 5.2.1 RC1 + has been tagged yesterday, builds uploading (except OS X) + when uploaded, will announce + Android & iOS Remote * LibreOffice Conference in Brno (Kendy) + https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2016/04/08/libreoffice-brno-conference-call-for-paper/ + travelling to Brno -> fly to Vienna / Prague unlikely to go direct (BMI has a flight from Munich, others from London). + https://conference.libreoffice.org/2016/practical-info/general-planing/ + Community-day -> no ESC, meet in the evening. * Membership Committee plug (Michael) + Please send nominations and self-nominations via e-mail to electi...@documentfoundation.org (which reaches the Board of Directors in private) and also (!) to board-disc...@documentfoundation.org (which is a public mailing list). We kindly ask nominees who would like to stand for elections to provide a statement of up to 75 words on their candidacy as continuous text (so no bullet lists or multiple paragraphs). In addition, please also provide your full name, e-mail address and your corporate affiliation, if any, and please announce that you will provide information on all future changes as soon as possible. + tooling uses git & is user-friendly for devs. * Documentation (Olivier) +(had an hard-disk failure and spend time rebuilding computer from scratch and restoring backup) + please approve https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/27028/ and https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/27857/ AI: + will check it (Cloph) + investigated gitbook for collaborative book writing + not so much different than editing a wiki page. Has pros and cons + Has issue on importing existing ODT book - investigating * GSoC 2016 (Thorsten) + Next deadline is August 23rd 19:00 UTC for students to submit their work + Mentors then review, final deadline for mentor eval is August 29th + reminder - blogging at a minimum helps docs / QA teams etc. + !!! soft pen-down next Monday (15th), on 23rd deliver & package + to be frozen and delivered after that + important that the students deliver that on time, otherwise they'll be failed + 6 students attending the Conference * UX Update (Heiko) + can we start to monitor the unresolved bugs with "needsUXeval" here regularly? (Bjoern) + like we do for e.g. QA (needinfo) and mentoring (easyhacks) + currently 164 (22 touched last week): https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=PLEASETEST&keywords=needsUXEval%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&list_id=627266&order=changeddate%20DESC%2Cpriority%2Cbug_severity&product=LibreOffice&query_format=advanced&resolution=--- https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=PLEASETEST&chfieldfrom=-7d&chfieldto=Now&keywords=needsUXEval%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&list_id=627267&product=LibreOffice&query_format=advanced&resolution=--- + urgh, I see we have that already (@jani: or is that EasyHacks only? or global?) + would be good though to discuss additions (bugs with new needsUXeval) and removals (bugs with solved needsUXeval) + according to ESC minutes since Jul 14 we gained some 21 unresolved (+15% in one month) + actually
[libreoffice-projects] Re: [libo-marketing-priv] Fwd: [libreoffice-marketing] Marketing call minutes: 17 May 2016
Hi, On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 02:17:16PM +0200, Italo Vignoli wrote: > 5. Launch of "Week/Month of LibreOffice 5.2" in August? > -> Easy to repeat from May campaign > -> Can be reproduced locally or for specific territory > -> Might make sense for specific time of year in other countries (eg > Chinese new year?) > -> Global project, but have to be strong locally -- run local > campaigns to be visible at government levels Hmmm, why in August? We will have 5.2.0 to be released in the first week of August[1], so: - lots of folks in all parts of the project will be in firefighting mode, not being able to mentor or onboard newcomers - we will have enough stories to tell from the release itself (hopefully) Wouldnt it make sense to make that November (6 months shifted from May -- aka roughly the same time in the release cycle as May)? Also May to August is just 2 months pause, so we might see some fatigue from interested parties there. Esp. if we do it again every 3 months. After all, May was explicitly selected because it is an otherwise rather slow month -- August (and February) are exactly the opposite. Just wondering ... Best, Bjoern [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/5.2#5.2.0_release -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-10-07
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 07:21:22PM +0400, Yousuf 'Jay' Philips wrote: > Not sure how well breeze with the ubuntu theme and it maybe better to use > tango. I have the seal of approval from the Canonical Design Team -- not gonna do extra rounds beyond that now. Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Re: Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-10-07
Hi, On Fri, Oct 09, 2015 at 10:13:43PM +0200, Jan Holesovsky wrote: > * 'industrial' icon theme - keep or remove? > > + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/19149/ > + Human also depends on Industrial (Jay) > + should that be actually depend on Tango? (Jay) > + best to talk to Bjoern (Michaelsen) (Kendy) Human has already been broken by tdf#93145 in LibreOffice 5.0. There is no way Ubuntu will ship a huge set of fallback themes to make Human complete again, thus we only ship themes with galaxy as fallback -- the ultimate fallback. For upcoming releases see lp#1506544: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1506544 Note that does NOT mean we should immediately drop human. At least for 5.1/xenial it should be kept an transitional option. Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Re: Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-10-21
On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 06:54:47PM +0100, Jan Holesovsky wrote: > * Present: Heiko, Jay, Kendy, Tomaz, Stuart > > * UI changes integrated the last week: > > + Enable auto-numbering by default reverted for now (Samuel) > + First/last button in the Calc tab bar (Tomaž) > + NotebookBar proof-of-concept pushed (Kendy) > + alt-x support to math (Justin) > + more 32px Breeze icons (Andreas) > + Appearance -> Application Colors (Adolfo) > + initial "Home" NotebookBar tab proof-of-concept (Samuel) > + make sidebar toolboxs item order RTL sensitive (Bubli) + proper scrollwheel handling in TabBar/Sidebar (Bjoern) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] TDF Grant Request/Proposal: LibreOffice project dashboard/"All about LibreOffice"
Hi all, Hi TDF treasurers,
The Document Foundation has a grant request page for some time now:
http://www.documentfoundation.org/grant-request/
to allow members of the Docuemnt Foundation to actively make suggestions on
projects and efforts that should be funded to bring LibreOffice forward.
The Board of the Document Foundation did of course collect and approve projects
for LibreOffice before, but going ahead we will try to make public as much
proposals for funding as possible even before approval for transparency.
One of the older preexisting proposals still under consideration is a Dashboard
for the LibreOffice project that shows what is going on in all parts of the
project.
I have tried to fill this proposal with life by bringing it in the form
expected by the grant-proposals page. See below for the full text of the
proposal. Along with this mail, I have send this grant request to
treasu...@documentfoundation.org as suggested on the grant-request webpage.
If you are member of TDF supporting this project, think it should be funded and
most importantly want to help out in either overseeing the tender or otherwise
getting it executed, please make yourself heard: Your help will be appreciated.
Note as of now, this is just a _proposal_ and a draft: It hasnt been approved
by the Board to receive any funding yet. However, given the vast amount of
regular data going towards LibreOffice contributors (in development alone:
tinderbox status, gerrit submissions, cppcheck updates, coverity updates, lcov
updates to name a few) personally I think this is getting more important every
day. The Board of the Document Foundation will have to weight its impact
against a lot of other proposals -- many of them excellent -- in the next
'budgeting round'.
Best,
Bjoern
Grant request/proposal follows below:
== grant details ==
Grant Proposal:
Creating a LibreOffice community and developer dashboard ("All about
LibreOffice")
a cost estimate has been shared with the Board of the Document Foundation
ini private for budget approval and reservation of funds
Grant objective:
Create a webpage showing latest activity, summaries and trends of the
LibreOffice project in all areas: development, qa, user-to-user support etc.
The webpage should be easily extensible for developers providing scripts
analysing current and historic data from various project infrastructure.
Grant size: to be tendered
Grant beneficiaries: tender contractor
Grant follow-up: Frameworks, languages and tools used should be popular and
widely used to allow the result to be community maintained and sustained after
initial development. Extensibility should allow developers to refine the
dashboard without deep insight in the used frameworks and tools. Blog posts
should advertize the dashboard to the LibreOffice community and invite
contributions.
=== User stories ===
As a LibreOffice community member, I want to be able to find out about the
latest events and actions happening in the project today presented on a
webpage. Updates do not need to be real-time, but delays should not be bigger
than 1-2 hours.
As a LibreOffice community member, I want to be able to find out about the
latest events and actions happening in the project since my last visit
presented as a newsfeed (RSS/Atom) for my reader.
As a LibreOffice community member, I want to be able to create a newsfeed that
filters for interest of specific interest for me.
As a LibreOffice community member, I want to be able to query filtered on if an
event creates or resolves an action item for a specific subproject. Here are
some examples based on Bugzilla: regression filed would be qa-task-created (need
confirmation/triage), regression triaged/moved to NEW (qa-task-resolved,
dev-task-created), regression fixed (dev-task-resolved).
As a designer, I want to be able to improve layout and looks of the dashboard
with just basic knowledge on coding.
As a designer, I want to be able to create subpages that present filtered
information of interest to a specific subproject e.g. events and actions of
interest for development, of interest for QA etc.
As a programmer, I want to be able to feed events and actions happening on any
system of the project to be displayed to the system simply by adding a script
generating a RSS/Atom newsfeed to an existing repository using only existing
credentials (gerrit account). At least all common *nix script languages
(Python, Perl, Ruby, PHO) should be supported, even C/C++/Haskell/Ocaml should
be possible unless there are overwhelming troubles.
As a programmer, I want to be able supply summaries and aggregate data by
querying for existing events in the system and simply parsing a RSS/Atom
newsfeed. I want to be able to send these summaries as an event just like
others.
As a programmer, I want to associate events send to the system with tags
because that allows to query for specific types of events either for summaries
or for presentation on subproject pages.
As a
Re: [libreoffice-projects] Re: Workflow between dev, UX and l10n teams
Hi, On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 10:06:36AM +0100, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: > Interestingly, doing a web search for "pootle git synchronisation" > leads me to http://weblate.org/en/features/ >:-) Well, once we dont require to be self-hosted anymore, https://translations.launchpad.net/ certainly would be an option too. However, IMHO there are very good reasons to be self-hosted with translations. Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] [bjoern.michael...@canonical.com: minutes of the ESC Call 2014-08-14]
* Present + Robinson, Miklos, Christian, Bjoern, Michael S, Muthu * Completed Action Items + setup some VM's that can be created on-demand (Cloph) + done for the hackfest, non-public + working on creating a public machine + initial version based on Amazon marketplace Ubuntu 14.04 base, using a community version for upcoming events, which is more freely distributable * Pending Action Items: + ask UX advise wrt. wrench icons (revert or not ?) (Astron) + blog about the sad realities of web plugins (Bjoern) + open-source newer Synezip tests / speak at the conference (Umesh) + Ask for 1-2 more dev-list moderators & re-visit next-week (Michael) + contact Michael / the list when students show up (Jan Marek) + help Cloph with the quickstarter disabling (Andras) https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/10817/ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/10669/ * GSOC Update (Cedric) + poke students * Release Engineering update (Christian) + RC2 tagging tommorrow + 4.3.1 RC2 status + Android Remote * support of non-SSE2 capable CPUs + by accident (switch to MSVC 2012) the 4.3 Windows release requires SSE2 + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82430 + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/10838/ might help + since these CPUs were made until 2005 most likely users run WinXP should we support them at least as long as WinXP? => reenable non-SSE2 support, but need testers * Crashtest update (Markus) + no Markus (maybe we should broaden the skill base to read these?) * Certification Committee (Stephan/Bjoern/Kendy) + waiting until ~September (nearly there) * commit access confusion: + OTRS finally dead and gone in the docs, I hope (Bjoern) + Norbert set up a branch for Doug, which should nicely solve this for porting patches AI: + porting patches shouldnt be needed anymore on master, see after remaining changes in gerrit (Bjoern) + Samuel: on hold -- too many common mentors/reviewers are on vacation still * USA Hackfest update (Michael?) + Boston Hackfest + hosted by Xamarin, had some engineers come over + some good bugfixing, some good mentoring ... * Hackfests (Bjoern) + Seattle 'Libre-Fest' (Robinson) https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2014/Seattle_LibreFest + October 26, 2014 + Bug-triaging/Intro-to-community event + Following SeaGL conference + Munich hack-fest (Jan-Marek): http://www.it-muenchen-blog.de/2014/07/bug-squashing-party-2014/ + will have a BSP come-together; if someone says they're coming just show up etc. + November 21st-23rd, 2014 https://wiki.debian.org/BSP/2014/11/de/Munich + we should drop by with 2 or 3 developers, if possible + Toulouse Hackfest ... + Confirmed for Nov. 15-16th + more details: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Toulouse2014 + Be great to have -really- easy easy hacks for devs (Bjoern) * QA (Robinson) + UNCONFIRMED count creeping up. Recruiting again + More inquiries re: Windows quickstarter https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80927 + Multiple q's and bugs filed re: video playback support in Impress https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79546 - OSX (plays in QT, not in LO) + Do we document our policy for video/audio playback? (using system framework) + Status of VLC support? + Different support on different distros (Bjoern) * UX Update (Astron / Mirek) + no UX attendance * Bern Conference + book your hotels! * QA stats: + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html +221-251(-30 overall) many thanks to the top bug squashers: QA Administrators 110 Maxim Monastirsky 29 Julien Nabet 9 Foss 8 Jay Philips 6 Joel Madero 5 Michael Stahl5 tommy27 5 Jean-Baptiste Faure 4 Urmas4 * Open 4.4 MAB + 4/8 4/8 3/7 3/7 2/5 1/2 1/1 + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=79641&hide_resolved=1 * Open 4.3 MAB + 14/52 14/50 11/47 14/47 14/45 19/43 10/32 6/27 5/24 5/22 3/20 26% 28% 23% 29% 33% 44% 31% 22% 20% 22% 15% + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=75025&hide_resolved=1 * Open 4.2 MAB + 83/244 83/243 84/236 85/235 82/229 81/222 76/215 74/212 74/210 71/207 34%34% 35%36%35%36%35%34%35%34% + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=65675&hide_resolved=1 * Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected' + 136/361 127/349 119/331 102/308 92/296 84/283 84/280 81/274 79/265 75/259 + http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q * all bugs tagged with 'regression' + 435(-4) bugs open of 2952
[libreoffice-projects] [bjoern.michael...@canonical.com: minutes of ESC call ... (2014-07-17)]
* Present: Muthu, Bjoern, Eike, Mirek, Miklos, David, Norbert, Cloph, Andras, Caolan, Jacobo, Moggi, Kohei * Completed Action Items: + try to add per-process resource limits for crashtest (Markus) + eg. bash's builtin ulimit [-SHacdflmnpstuv [limit]] etc. + switch a windows tinderbox to mst-make post 4.3 (Cloph) + master tinderbox (51) does this, impressive improvement (delta 30 minutes, release build 90 minutes now) + disable the new colors of formatting marks for Mac if this causes it (Quikee) * Pending Action Items: + ask UX advise wrt. wrench icons (revert or not ?) (Astron) + blog about the sad realities of web plugins (Bjoern) + setup some VM's that can be created on-demand (Cloph) + in progress + open-source newer Synezip tests / speak at the conference (Umesh) + Ask for 1-2 more dev-list moderators & re-visit next-week (Michael) + contact Michael / the list when students show up (Jan Marek) * GSOC Update (Cedric) + at least 6 students will be at the conference in Bern + a student presentation slot has been created: + thus students can prepare a 5-6 minute lightning talk on their project * Release Engineering update (Christian) + 4.2.6 status + four open changes on gerrit for libreoffice-4-2-6, rc2 next week https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/q/status:open+project:core+branch:libreoffice-4-2-6,n,z + 4.3.0 RC3 status + builds done + QA announce done + RC announce on libreoffice.org tonight + no open changes on gerrit for libreoffice-4-3-0 + all on track (Cloph) * Crashtest update (Markus) + crashes more frequently with 8 cores (moggi) + crash test machine reset to Mageia instead of Fedora, no reboots so far (Cloph) * Certification Committee (Stephan/Bjoern/Kendy) + waiting until ~September * Hackfests (Bjoern) + Boston Hackfest: + July 26-27th + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2014/US_Summer_Hackfest + Tough to line-up mentoring devs + would appreciate developers via Google Hangout etc. + QA is happy to recruit programmers for our internal projects, but would like to share w/the dev team. + poke potential hosters again (Michael) + (possible) Seattle + Oct 25-27 + Straw poll: Who could make these dates? + prolly better to ping people individually (Michael) + Munich hack-fest (Jan-Marek): + will have a BSP come-together; if someone says they're coming just show up etc. + November 21st-23rd, 2014 https://wiki.debian.org/BSP/2014/11/de/Munich + we should drop by with 2 or 3 developers, if possible + Toulouse Hackfest ... + Confirmed for Nov. 15-16th + more details: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Toulouse2014 + Be great to have -really- easy easy hacks for devs (Bjoern) * 4.3 cycle Bugzilla stats (Bjoern) 4.2 4.3 Delta Change BIBISECTTOTAL 176 296 120 68.18% UNRESOLVED 60 100 40 66.67% RESOLVED 116 196 80 68.97% DUPLICATES 3725 4573 848 22.77% FIXED ALL 5320 6464 1144 21.50% ENHANCEMENTS 324 394 70 21.60% NON-ENHANCEMENTS 4996 6070 1074 21.50% enhancement fix ratio 6.12% UNCONFIRMED 790 977 187 23.67% Goal: <0% QA NEW ALL 6473 7235 762 11.77% ENHANCEMENTS 1503 1745 242 16.10% NON-ENHANCEMENTS 4970 5490 520 10.46% REGRESSIONS TOTAL2206 2837 631 28.60% UNRESOLVED349 408 59 16.91% Goal: <0% Development RESOLVED 1857 2429 572 30.80% bibisect ratio 17.19%24.51% 7.32% 42.57% Goal: >0% QA bibisect resolution ratio 13.99% of fixed regressions were bibisected this cycl
[libreoffice-projects] minutes of the ESC call ...
* Present: + Kendy, Bjoern, Stephan, cloph, Lionel, Eike, Miklos, Norbert, Markus, Cedric. Eilidh, David, Michael S., Andras, Astron, Jacobo * Completed Action Items + add HackFest hardware / Amazon VMs to Board budget planning (Michael) + poke Sophie to check updating is checked in MozTrap (Cloph) + added bibisect repo (Miklos) * Dropped Action Items: + chasing build / test intermittency: + turn the SAL_WARN into a fprintf & send to Cloph ? (Kendy) + run the 'make slowcheck' 20x from the top-level & report (Cloph) => seems to be fixed by commits on master meanwhile + will try filing a lot of small string changes as easy hacks (Astron) * Pending Action Items: + crashtest box - more research (Moggi/Cloph) [ calc is working, writer problems can't easily be nailed down, have to use multiple processes ] [ calc numbers increased a bit - but not as bad as expected ] + encourage icon authors to put them into git (Astron) + fix the Java bridge for MSVC2012 for 4.3 (Stephan/Michael S.) + Add StarOffice OOoXML export removal to 4.2 release notes (Cloph) * Release Engineering update (Christian) + 4.3 status + failing unit tests oddness - the hunt ... + investigating Windows test failures (spellchecking) + 4.3.0 feature freeze: + next week May, 19th -- release date overlap with OSCON + take that to QA (Bjoern) + 4.2.5 RC1 - when ? + freeze in two weeks + no trouble expected + Android / iOS remote + no news + Credits: + punted until mmmeks is back http://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/credits/ + bit out of date: worth updating for 4.3 ? + 'Contributors to Bundled Templates' - oddly coloured heading. + can we separate rows better for readability ? + embolden bold name perhaps ? + tracking tags in Redmine a stupid idea? (Bjoern) * LibreOffice 4.3.0 alpha1 bibisect: + see https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/HowToBibisect#Versions + 182 new builds + Cloph did some Windows bibisect builds for Florian UI stuff * 4.3 Features Page (Michael) + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.3 + please update it ! * Address & Leak Sanitizer (Moggi/Sberg) + gcc/clang compiler stuff from GOOG for tracking buffer overruns etc. + works mostly out of the box + distribute build to the QA team? + runtime thing/instrumented build that spits out leaks etc. found during a run + enable for development/make check? (mst) + some junit/java trickiness here (libjpipe.so) + QA guys reporting back on bugzilla? + sure (sberg) AI: + send example (Markus) + http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2014-May/061142.html * FISL Brazil Update (Fridrich) + punted -- no Fridrich * UX update (Astron) + start menu bug updated -- not too good an idea + vendor spamming etc. + discussion at http://wordpress.com/my-stats/ + autotext stuff? * GSoC update (Fridrich/Cedric?) + where are we supposed to be at as of now ? + coding starts next week + add students with commit accounts [ for their branches ] AI: + add them to commiter group (Norbert) * Distro branches & commits (Michael) punted -- no Michael * unit test documents bloating up git repo: (Michael) + might be mine (Miklos) + automated task? + test fail on too big file? + these docs are not commited with evil intend, they are sneaking in (Bjoern) + test failure on big docs might hurt local testing (Bjoern) + git-hook would prevent pushing unsuited docs though (Bjoern) + even easier (Miklos) + gerrit doesnt show how big a binary is (mst) + git hook would handle that too (Norbert) + people would evade that (Norbert) + external repo? (Norbert) + raising awareness should be enough for now (Bjoern) AI: + update git hook (Miklos) * Crashtest update (Markus) + new data ? http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/crashtest/91821848a3a50229b8b96e91e9eb053a8ebc5d9a/ * Certification Committee (Stephan/Bjoern/Kendy) * Gerrit review request (Caolan) + lots of stuff building up there that needs review; help appreciated. + better shape than last week + we need to be more vicious on abandoning old ones AI: + walk through old changes, nag people, abandon changes (Bjoern) * Coverity Update (Caolan/Markus) + seems like a lot going on there, how are the stats ? AI: + needs a new build scheduled (moggi) * collect all bibisects at dev-downloads (Bjoern) + AFAIK e.g. Miklos has a bibisect repo "somewhere" + suggesting to have all bibisects with a copy at http://dev-downloads.libreoffice.org/bibisect/ too + more importantly: have all available bibisects listed at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Bibisect + done by now (Miklos) * C++1
[libreoffice-projects] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] bibisect suggestion (was: QA Meeting Minutes - 2014-04-21)
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 05:43:43PM -0400, Terrence Enger wrote: > From the QA meeting minutes: > > > (*) SUGGESTION: Standardization of our summary field for Bugzilla > > (*) Or: When searching for one phrase, display results from a > < similar one (e.g. "image" -> "picture" or "graphic") Hmm, Im uncertain as to what the goal is here and if its reachable. - Reporters (end users) will most likely ignore an attempt at using a standardized vocabulary - Triagers will most likely have a good grip on all the words used for one topic and might even derive additional information from the nuances (as Terrence shows here ;) ) - Ultimately: Who should be the consumer of these queries/standardisation? How does it help devs to address the impportant and urgent bugs quicker? Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Re: URGENT: Hackfest Gran Canaria -- April, 24-25 2014 -- be a participant!
On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 06:15:25PM +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > Las Palmas de Gran Canaria on April, 25-26. whops, correction: April, 24-25 (Thursday and Friday) -- the email subject and wiki page are correct. Best, Bjoern (Thanks tml for the quick hint) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] URGENT: Hackfest Gran Canaria -- April, 24-25 2014 -- be a participant!
Hi all, as already noted during the ESC call, we will have a LibreOffice Hackfest in Las Palmas de Gran Canaria on April, 25-26. As usual, I created a wikipage for the event: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/GranCanaria2014 The location is actually quite easily reachable from all of europe. Given the location and how late we are for announcing this, a few things are slightly different this time: - please note your interest on the wiki page ASAP as it is approaching quickly - please do NOT yet share the information about the Hackfest outside of LibreOffice project mailing lists until Tuesday -- this is to allow our most active project contributors to apply for travel funding first - On Tuesday this can be shared on social media and blogs to a wider public - there are travel bursaries as usual, but for accomodation, hackers are asked to share rooms, if possible (2 hackers in one room with separate beds) So: Be quick, mark your name on the wiki to secure travel bursaries! Best and see you on Gran Canaria! Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LIbreOffice 4.2.2 RC1 available
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 11:43:59AM +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote: > The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA > builds download page at > > http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/ > > LibreOffice 4.2.2 RC1 is also available in a 64bit version for Mac OS > X 10.8 (or newer) Ubuntu trusty (14.04) users will also find a build in all these PPAs: https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-prereleases https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-4-2 Backports to Ubuntu 13.10 and 12.04 will likely follow soon. Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-projects] update on project management/ticketing system
Hi, On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 08:48:33PM +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote: > TL;DR:Redmine looks very promising. Some further evaluation to come, > final decision within the next weeks. This is exciting and good news! Does this also mean that OTRS will very likely be decommissioned? Assuming so, I removed references by gerrit still around (I hope I got them all). Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:42:02AM +0200, Cor Nouws wrote: > Michael Meeks wrote (18-07-13 17:35) > > >* Should we kill TDF .deb builds ? (Bjoern) > > For my understanding, that means that people that for reasons prefer > to install without system integration and do testing and or work > with their own deployment plan, ... > would not be able to download the versionXYZ_x86_deb.tag.gz any more > from libreoffice.org/download ? > Handy alternatives ? The proposal was to build straightforward tarballs instead of something faking to be a debian package. That would still allow all of the above. Note though that at least for Ubuntu the PPAs are really quick and allow you to keep control of your deployment plan for major releases (e.g. the libreoffice-4-0 ppa will not update you to LibreOffice 4.1). Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Re: [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.7 RC2 available
Hi all, On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 01:37:34PM +0200, Christian Lohmaier wrote: > The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA > builds download page at > > http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/ And a build for Ubuntu 12.10 (Quantal) can be used from the libreoffice-3-6 PPA at: https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-3-6 Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Re: [ANN] LibreOffice 4.1.0 RC3 available
Hi, On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 01:36:21AM +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote: > The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA > builds download page at > > http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/ And Ubuntu users find a packaged build in the pre-releases PPA at: https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-prereleases with builds for Ubuntu saucy (13.10), Ubuntu 13.04 (raring) and Ubuntu 12.04 LTS precise. A big "Thank you!" to Rico Tzschichholz for providing the backports this timely. Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Re: [ANN] LibreOffice 4.1.0 RC1 available
Hi all, On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 06:44:01PM +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote: > The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA > builds download page at > > http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/ and Ubuntu users can find a packaged version for Ubuntu 13.10 Saucy at: https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-prereleases and test it with a simple: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libreoffice/libreoffice-prereleases sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install libreoffice Good hunting for everyone taking part in the triage contest! Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Re: Hackfest kit ?
Hi Immanuel, Eike, On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:30:43PM +0200, Eike Rathke wrote: > Obviously you need a room capable to hold the expected number of people > with tables and proper seating. We were ~20 people on the Hamburg > Hackfest last weekend, ~25-30 in Munich last year, but these numbers are > probably higher than what can be expected for Montreal because Germany > is somewhat the home play for LibreOffice and within good reach for > European hackers. For Montreal, promoting the event locally would be even more important. It would be highly helpful to find some connection to a local computer science department (maybe even get the support of a professor), to get some students on board. Print flyers and posters.[1] With regard to missing "home play", you likely need to sponsor to fly in some some experienced hackers to bootstrap the event. I would even consider calling them speakers -- it suggests a shy interested reader that he can come by and can passively consume a talk. Depending on the audience that may be the start, but in the long run, we ideally want to do an introduction and then move on to a more workshop-like feeling to get things done. > Last but not least, have fun and hack :-) One more organizational thing: Offer distibuted couchsurfing in some kind or way -- not only is it a cheap accomodation, it also helps creating social bonding[2]. Best, Bjoern [1] template: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:HackfestHamburg2013Flyer.odg [2] Im saying that as someone being told "You should call your mother more often!" on the Hackfest. ;) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Re: [ANN] LibreOffice 4.1.0 Beta2 available
Hi, On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 12:08:30AM +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote: > The Document Foundation is pleased to announce the second Beta release > of our new LibreOffice 4.1. The upcoming 4.1 will be our sixth major > release in two and a half years, and comes with a nice set of new > features. Please be aware that LibreOffice 4.1 Beta2 is not ready yet > for production use, you should continue to use LibreOffice 4.0.3 for > that. > > For further milestones towards 4.1, please refer to our release plan > timings here: > > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/4.1#4.1.0_release > > The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA > builds download page at > > http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/ and in: https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-prereleases you will find a very early packaging build for 4.1beta2 for Ubuntu saucy. The Ubuntu PPA builders had trouble coping with the size of this build. To have a build for testing at all multiple measurements had to be taken, the most drastic being disabling Java and KDE. With the former also: - disabling building the fancy new autopkgtests -- I ran them locally though - make the libreoffice metapackage uninstallable as it depends on reportbuilder (which depends on Java and thus is not build) run something like: apt-get install libreoffice-writer libreoffice-impress libreoffice-calc I hate to make the beta public like this, but before getting no testing at all, I push this out in the current state with a big red warning label. Best, Bjoern -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: projects+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Minutes QA-call 2013-05-03
Hi all,
this is a raw copy of the minutes of the last QA call on 2013-05-31, the
original
can be found here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Meetings/2013/May_31
Please refer to the wikipage for a better formatted format of the minutes.
Best,
Bjoern
P.S.: Robinson, it would be awesome if we could drop such a note on the minutes
to the projects@-list in the future so it is kept visible to other parts of the
project. could you take care of that? Even just dropping the link to the wiki
page might be enough TBH.
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Agenda + Minutes
Minutes: Content from the meeting itself ("the minutes") will be displayed in
blue boxes like this.
Start
Meeting started at: 13:01
Participants: Robinson, Joel, Petr, Joren, Thomas, Florian R., SteveBell,
Bjoern, Mas
Notes:
Bjoern and Mas joined later.
Opening Discussion
(none)
Pending Items
PENDING ITEM: Proposals regarding our workflow
PUNTED: Until next meeting (May 31) (ran out of time).
[ACCEPTED] PROPOSAL: Joel: Don't create proposal and AGREE to it on the
same day. Instead we should discuss, add a PROPOSAL (keyword in bold), and
allow those who do not attend call to reply via email. If no negative feedback
by next call, we can mark as AGREED and remove the Item from our PENDING ITEMS
list.
[ACCEPTED] PROPOSAL: Joel: Slow down on some of our proposals/work. E.g. on
the creation of the qa.libreoffice.org
[ACCEPTED] PROPOSAL: Joel: If we make a decision that takes a lot of time
for other people, wait a long time; 3+ weeks to hold on for people
[ACCEPTED] PROPOSAL: Joel: Don't make a rule about how to triage things;
Just lead by example
Joel -- Any objections to the current slate of PROPOSALs?
(None...)
We've been waiting a bit more on our
ACTION: Joel will ask devs/users about moving BugReport page under QA (and
perhaps refactoring)
PENDING ITEM: NEEDINFO Stagnant Bugs
[DONE] ACTION: Joel will do a test run today, then will email QA List (and
core people) and ask for feedback.
If all is good, Joel will try to ramp up to 50+ a day
386 bug reports
Gotten some complaints, but few
Going to 'my bugs' doesn't display all of one's bugs (e.g. NEEDINFO bugs
aren't on there) -- Joel filed a bug report and emailed Tollef.
ACTION: 2 weeks from now Joel will provide a staff update; 4 weeks from
now, will close the bugs as invalid
Joel -- Feel free to walk away if a user is starting to tick you off
PENDING ITEM: Get French BSA Operational
[DONE] ACTION: Joel will continue to shepherd the project; Will coordinate
with Rob
ACTION: Joel will do a test of the French BSA and see what is left to do
(with Floeff)
Perhaps we just need to add an email address to the French email list
(Floeff has mod rights?)
PENDING ITEM: What to do with FDO bugs filed against Extensions, Templates
[DONE] ACTION: Joel will (try to) contact the maintainer of the LO
Extension Site again
Joel is waiting
Someone from ESC said that they pinged Andreas, who should in turn ping
Joel (but no word yet)
We need a more permanent solution, but for now, add Cor or Bjoern to bug
reports filed against Extensions (they can help you out)
Bjoern - Once we have things more sorted out, we'll have to find if we can
prioritize in other extension improvements
Mas - Is thinking about joining the Extension (?) Team
ACTION: Joel will get Mas the information about the Extension bugs problem
(hopefully will get us some traction on this ITEM)
PENDING ITEM: QA Website
ACTION: Joren will create OSX-specific pages
ACTION: Joel will create Linux-specific pages
[DONE] ACTION: For everyone - if you want a pic and/or bio on the site,
please send that info to Florian R.
[DONE] ACTION: Florian R. will update Windows-specific pages
Joel did some work on the front page (but can't publish, as he doesn't have
publishing rights yet)
Joel - Ping him with any updates/tihngs that he should fix (or fix them
yourself, if you have appropriate rights)
Joel - Will try to get Linux-specific page ready by next meeting
Joel - Add personal information if you like to the Core Team page
Ping Florian R. with changes/updated information if you would like him to
make updates
Homepage and Windows pages have a solid draft. Team page is close to done.
PENDING ITEM: Should we activate voting on FDO?
[DONE] ACTION: Bjoern will keep shepherding the implementation of this
feature
Bjoern - Tollef said that bugs should be filed for Voting/Bold statement to
email
Joel - I filed bugs :-)
[ Joel's bugs: FDO query ]
Bjoern - Still waiting to hear from Tollef
ACTION: Will track the filed bug and wait to hear updates
PENDING ITEM: Add BOLD statement to each FDO mail sent out to not reply via mail
[DONE] ACTION: Bjoern will keep working on this feature
(Same as previous ITEM)
ACTION: Will track the filed bug and wait
[libreoffice-projects] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.0.3 RC2 test builds available
On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 10:40:59AM +0200, Fridrich Strba wrote: > Hi *, > > for the upcoming new version 4.0.3, the RC2 builds now start to be > available on pre-releases. This build is slated to be second release > candidate build on the way towards 4.0.3, please refer to our release > plan timings here: > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan#4.0.3_release > > Builds are now being uploaded to a public (but non-mirrored - so don't > spread news too widely!) place, as soon as they're available. Grab > them here: > > http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/ Just for completeness adding Ubuntu PPAs as an option too: https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-4-0 Best, Bjoern -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Finished: [ANN] global header move on Tuesday 2013-04-23 between 1200UTC and 2000UTC
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 04:26:23PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 02:25:35PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 10:46:26PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > > > - I will rebase the script against master on 2013-04-23 1200 UTC and again > > > execute and trigger the build on gerrit > > > > The 1200UTC last sanity is running: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/3465/ > > All tinderboxes happy, I will execute the move at 2000UTC as announced. executed: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/gitweb?p=core.git;a=commitdiff;h=b9337e22ce1dbf2eba0e8c8db294ae99f4111f91 and build successfully locally. Best, Bjoern -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Re: [ANN] global header move on Tuesday 2013-04-23 between 1200UTC and 2000UTC
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 02:25:35PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 10:46:26PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > > - I will rebase the script against master on 2013-04-23 1200 UTC and again > > execute and trigger the build on gerrit > > The 1200UTC last sanity is running: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/3465/ All tinderboxes happy, I will execute the move at 2000UTC as announced. Best, Bjoern -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Re: [ANN] global header move on Tuesday 2013-04-23 between 1200UTC and 2000UTC
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 10:46:26PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > - I will rebase the script against master on 2013-04-23 1200 UTC and again > execute and trigger the build on gerrit The 1200UTC last sanity is running: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/3465/ Best, Bjoern -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] [ANN] global header move on Tuesday 2013-04-23 between 1200UTC and 2000UTC
Hi, as discussed on the ESC the global header move script is at: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/3367/3 and worked fine on Linux, and the plan is to execute it on master if it is building on all platforms and if there is a proper advance warning. This is that warning. ;) I rebased the change on master today only to find master not even building from scratch on Linux because of test failures. Because of that I didnt even try to set the gerrit buildbot on it, and instead used the last known good state of master (the one I pushed it the script to gerrit with), executed the move and scheduled a gerrit build agianst that: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/3465/ That build succeeds on Linux and Windows, but fails again on OSX *sigh* due to as it seems another unrelated master breakage, preventing me _again_ to check if this works on all platforms. So this has to be played into the dark unfortunately. I plan to execute the global header move on Tuesday, 2013-04-23, hoping that the weekend changes are merged on Monday and the master is in a reasonable state then. The plan is as follows: - I will rebase the script against master on 2013-04-23 1200 UTC and again execute and trigger the build on gerrit - if that succeeds, I will push'n execute the script on 2013-04-23 2000 UTC expecting it was not broken by intermediate commits - if the tinderboxes did not finish in time, I will only wait for OS X as the other platforms have been proven to work on other master states already - if that fails for reasons obviously based in the script itself, I will check if I can fix/workaround the issue or if the move needs to be postponed -- thats what we have the buildbot for - if it fails on a platform and it becomes apparent its because master was broken on that platform before, I WILL execute the move anyway. - If you broke master on a platform by the time of the move, I fully expect YOU to fix that up, even with the extra pain of the header move. tl;dr: Dont break master, but especially dont break master on 2013-04-23! Master will of course stay open for all as usual, but remember that: a/ If you have doubts of any kind, you can just push to gerrit to get a testbuild b/ Even if you do not get a testbuild, you can simply "park" your commit on gerrit to merge/cherry-pick it to master on Wednesday after the move c/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8&feature=player_detailpage#t=1399s "... people make 1-liner changes, knowing it cant POSSIBLY break, right?" "(audience giggles uncomfortably)" Please avoid doing so -- in general, but even more so on Tuesday ;) Best, Bjoern -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.6 RC2 available
Hi all, On Mon, Apr 08, 2013 at 09:15:33AM +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote: > The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA > builds download page at > > http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/ ... and Ubuntu users can test the versions for Ubuntu 12.10 (quantal) and Ubuntu 12.04 (LTS precise) at this ppa: https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-3-6 for a few days already. Sorry for the late notification. Best, Bjoern -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.6 RC2 test builds available
Hi, On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 11:50:31AM +0200, Fridrich Strba wrote: > http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/ And Ubuntu Quantal users will find a package here: https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-3-6 Backports should be added soon. Best, Bjoern -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Wiki pages cruft cleanup
Hi, I cleaned up: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Main_Page https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA and removed a lot of cruft on these pages. The intention was: - To separate the 'get involved' section from the the 'tips and tricks'-stuff a la: 'If you run Lattice C on AmigaOS, might get a faster build by applying a few drops of rose water to your keyboard' - the 'get involved' pages are now short an sweet and not some overwhelming, messy and confusing page containing a lot of auxilary infos that are mostly irrelevant for a new starter: - https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/GetInvolved - https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GetInvolved Please ensure to keep them that way. - contact data is much more visible: IRC, mailing list, calls. Please help keeping the wiki somewhat clean and do not overload the introductionary pages with information only revelant in a subset of scenarios. Best, Bjoern -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.0.2 RC2 available
Hi, On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 10:59:34AM +0100, Thorsten Behrens wrote: > The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA > builds download page at > > http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/ and for Ubuntu users, you will find a packaged version for Ubuntu raring in these PPAs: https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-4-0 I heard rumours that backports to at least 12.04 LTS and 12.10 (Quantal) are already on the way, too. ;) Best, Bjoern -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] minutes of LibreOffice ESC call, Thur Jan 24th - 15:00UTC
Hi all, below the meeting minutes, thanks to MeetBot (only minor corrections done). If you see anything in vital need of correction, please speak up now. Best, Bjoern = #libreoffice-dev: ESC call 2013-01-24 = Meeting started by Sweetshark at 15:12:52 UTC. The full logs are available at http://pumbaa.documentfoundation.org/meetbot/libreoffice-dev/2013/libreoffice-dev.2013-01-24-15.12.log.html . Meeting summary --- * Last-time Action Items (Sweetshark, 15:14:00) * ACTION: find person who can write and add off-line help for impress-remote (Thorsten) (Sweetshark, 15:14:48) * in progress: get tshirts / hoodies printed (kendy) (Sweetshark, 15:15:33) * ACTION: create/request mail alias for certification (Bjoern) (Sweetshark, 15:15:51) * ACTION: inprogress: Bugzilla attachments not set to autodetect (Bjoern) (Sweetshark, 15:16:02) * ACTION: Update gsoc ideas page before FOSDEM (Sweetshark, 15:16:29) * LINK: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Gsoc/Ideas (all) (Sweetshark, 15:16:51) * ACTION: in progress: Investigate native build/env scripts for SDK (Bjoern) (Sweetshark, 15:17:22) * sberg and Sweetshark will look at SDK together (Sweetshark, 15:19:23) * ACTION: in progress: completing generic / Linux builds -> RedHat (Caolan) (Sweetshark, 15:20:18) * Pending Action Items (Sweetshark, 15:20:25) * completed: decision on whether to switch back to old floppy save (Astron) (Sweetshark, 15:22:58) * ACTION: regression catching on tinderbox, Figure out time-out issues (Markus) (Sweetshark, 15:23:31) * completed: FOSDEM: misc. new interop. feature and their development, Markus will write to Italo to add Eilidh's talk (Markus) (Sweetshark, 15:23:48) * LINK: https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/track/libreoffice/ (moggi, 15:23:59) * ACTION: Presenter console patches 4-0 backport (Michael M) (Sweetshark, 15:24:21) * completed: come up with / improve the existing concrete funding request for build hardware => board budget (Thorsten) (Sweetshark, 15:25:13) * ACTION: STLPort removal - release-note: Document dropping the DLL and the VS run-time on the system in the release-notes (Fridrich) (Sweetshark, 15:25:32) * ACTION: full-word selection / editing ergonomics cf. UX-advise https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46517 pending input from Caolan / Cedric / Michael S (Sweetshark, 15:26:08) * ACTION: create a new AmbitiousHacks wiki page, based on GSOC page (Michael M) (Sweetshark, 15:26:20) * ACTION: in progress: investigate re-using Win32 binary signing for Mac (Thorsten) (Sweetshark, 15:27:35) * ACTION: on-line help for impress-remote would be useful, help appreciated (Sweetshark, 15:28:41) * LINK: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58699 (Sweetshark, 15:28:53) * ACTION: add off-line help and it'll appear on-line (kendy) (Sweetshark, 15:29:59) * might be better next week with new stuff by floeff (Sweetshark, 15:29:59) * ACTION: minimal triage for good mentors for proposed easy hacks (Bjoern) (Sweetshark, 15:30:03) * ACTION: disable Rhino / Beanshell unless in experimental mode (Michael M) (Sweetshark, 15:30:06) * ACTION: tweak the configure defaults, no submodules by default, no gnome-vfs (Kendy) (Sweetshark, 15:30:13) * Release Engineering update (Petr) (Sweetshark, 15:30:22) * 4.0.0 rc ready and pushed to mirror (Sweetshark, 15:33:05) * Jan 28 rc3 date, triple review, lets be careful (Sweetshark, 15:33:06) * any known issues? (Sweetshark, 15:33:06) * android remote to 4.0.0 or 4.0 branch (Thorsten) (Sweetshark, 15:33:06) * ACCEPTED: android to 4.0 branch, not 4.0.0 -- more relaxed reviews (Sweetshark, 15:34:43) * template manager remote repos moved to experimental features ( schoinobates ) (Sweetshark, 15:36:01) * 3.6.5 rc2 will go final next week if there are no issues. if you know about regressions speak up now (Sweetshark, 15:37:06) * UX Update (Astron) (Sweetshark, 15:37:31) * template manager progress (Sweetshark, 15:37:39) * restore menu entries? no, we shouldnt at all (Astron) (Sweetshark, 15:38:33) * LINK: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/1787 (Sweetshark, 15:39:03) * (Thorsten) has string changes, might cause trouble/extra work (Sweetshark, 15:40:41) * Andras: also not happty about string changes (Sweetshark, 15:41:15) * ACCEPTED: reject patch for now/postpone the patch (Sweetshark, 15:42:49) * personas punted, kendy not in the call -- some issue need to be disccussed (Sweetshark, 15:43:46) * Ubuntu font excluded so far on licensing ground, forbid renaming is a blocker/problem (Sweetshark, 15:45:57) * ACTION: clarify at Canonical (Bjoern) (Sweetshark, 15:46:18) * not available on most distros because of legal review (Sweetsha
[libreoffice-projects] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.0.0 Beta2 available
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 11:02:05PM +0100, Thorsten Behrens wrote: > The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA > builds download page at > > http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/ And beta packages for Ubuntu raring can also be found at (in fact for a few days already): https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-prereleases/+packages Best, Bjoern -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] [michael.me...@suse.com: minutes of ESC call ...]
- Forwarded message from Michael Meeks - Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 12:14:18 +0100 From: Michael Meeks To: libreoffice-dev , Libreoffice-qa Subject: minutes of ESC call ... X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.3 * Completed Action Items + ping Tollef wrt. sysadmin work (Bjoern) + openID analysis suggests you still need to register [!?] + enable automatic help build / sync. on a cron-job (Kendy) + now a chron job * Pending Action Items + create a new AmbitiousHacks wiki page, based on GSOC page (Michael M) + issues to look into if we can + fdo#34548 - review Michael's patch (Thorsten) + getting to the bottom takes weeks. + fdo#55290 - master doesn't install on windows (dtardon) + potential fix in the bug. + fdo#55360 - mac specific text issue (Thorsten) + fdo#51023 - impress D&D crasher - (Radek) + set updater to get 3.5.0/1 -> 3.6.2 (Kendy) * Submodules (Norbert) + ready to pull the trigger on submodules + Norbert here to vent any anger + concerns wrt. tinderboxen & needing latest tinbuild2 + still only pulls the modules you need + use the latest './g' to go back in time + no need for ./g if not using translation/help etc. + git / new workdir - unsure if it works + git 1.7.9 preferred, worked with git 1.7.4 + 1.7.9 stores submodules' .git inside top-level .git + read http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Submodules + really helps tinderboxes / gerrit pre-build magic / bisect etc. + only applies to master. + for non-core modules big rename to bring one dir-level up. + so git-am for bin-filter needs a manual sed first. + pushing submodules happened before minutes went live. * Meeting organisation / minuting + weekly calls ok ? + better than async mail. + do we really need the name roll-call (Caolan) + companion IRC channel as an idea ? + interleaves it with people coming in (Kendy) + action items - machine parseable (Bjoern) + status updates generated from the logs ? + http://status.ubuntu.com/ AI: + create script to parse Meeks minutes (Bjoern) * Release Engineering update (Fridrich) + vacation / quality report (deferred) + 3.5.7 status + rc2 should release during the conference + just a blog + announce + 3.6.3 rc1 status + released => staging on friday, mirrors @ weekend + Thorsten announced ? but people busy @ conf. + RelEng is a generally helpful section in the call. + gives useful up-coming deadline notice. * UI / design update (Astron) + icons for new conditional formats in cells + something to play with; more icon sets ? + (thanks to Astron) + consensus on fonts achieved + 3.3Mb uncompressed -> 1.5Mb download https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Wishlists/Fonts + stripped un-necessary weights from opensans, sourcesans, etc. AI: + font bundling and gerrit fun with Astron (Andras) AI: + audit set of new / built-in fonts (Caolan) + still awaiting funky font downloading functionality + saxon removal to keep size static. + some funky toolbar hacking on the train (Kendy) * Uses for new hardware (Cedric) + some kind French sponsor will provide new machines + how can we best use them ? + creating VMs of LibreOffice / master for remote testing + several platforms, for wider & less disruptive QA + log-in and have a play ... + getting a -big- bibisect setup here would be beautiful (Norbert) + share-able across multiple VM's ? + does it come with some admin ? (Kendy) + off-load the wiki / help.libreoffice.org build there. + what Hardware with what OS on it (Norbert) + unclear - bare metal etc. ? AI: + get more details & connect (Norbert / Sophie) * QA update (Bjoern) + HardHack list moved to wiki - http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/HardHacks + no changes for this week + couple of hard-hacks fixed (thanks to Caolan) + bibisect interest increasing + how is morale around closing issues (Caolan) + bfoman doing a great job providing Win32 / stack-traces + lots of bug stuck in early stages, without good reproduction / descriptions + growing certainty wrt. the old / unconfirmed bug dung-out, modulo a few corner case issues + same pattern in Fedora / GNOME etc. +
[libreoffice-projects] [bjoern.michael...@canonical.com: minutes of the QA Call tomorrow, Tuesday 1300UTC]
- Forwarded message from Bjoern Michaelsen - Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 17:19:24 +0200 From: Bjoern Michaelsen To: libreoffice...@lists.freedesktop.org Subject: minutes of the QA Call tomorrow, Tuesday 1300UTC User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Hi all, attending: Florian R., Bjoern, Petr structured manual testing (Yifan?): - MozTrap was quickly and ad-hoc demoed at the LibreOffice conference, found quite some interest (QA and RelEng Roundtable) bug wrangling: - bugzilla with OpenID would still require registering - that kinda defeats the purpose, any other ideas? - skip HardHack selection, devs were almosty all at the conference last week (or swamped with preparations) community building/communication (Cor?): - Florian did some awesome work to make server installations (and thus master testing) on Windows more accessable: http://flosmind.wordpress.com/2012/10/21/libreoffice-server-installation-gui/ - is blocked by fdo#54304 AI:- take this to the ESC/Andras (Bjoern) - the newly donated virtual machines should be used allow users to remotely login and test master - intended to be combined with bibisect - a lot of setup work though, still off a few months - Florian came up with this work, to improve the quality of filed bugs: - https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-F7WJa3859ik/UGwY8UbpeVI/Auo/aH7I5dYz2t4/s2000/BS%2520API.jpg - originally intended to be implemented inside LibreOffice (Florian) - brainstormed at the german QA weekend - would allow easy testdocument inclusion in upload - safe detection of version and OS - would be localized - stats show already 50 unconfirmed bugs/month since the last cleanup - multiple issues with implementing this inside LibreOffice itself (Bjoern): - privacy - proxy/connectivity settings (e.g. corp. firewalls) - resources/assumed hard to find a volunteer for - we cant adjust old and released versions AI:- take to the ESC still, to prove the assumption (Bjoern) - maybe better to extend a webbased solution for that (Bjoern/Petr) - OS and version can be encoded in the initial "file a bug" url - updateable and localizable - no 'automatic' inclusion of docs, but that is tricky anyway from a privacy POV - while our current infra team is stuffed with work, its in general easier to find talent for this kind of work (and maybe grow the infra team) - in theory, it is possible to make the BSA file bugs without the reporter registering (Petr/Bjoern) - file them from a b...@libreoffice.org account - add a bsa-reporter:f...@example.com field in the whiteboard status - add some procmail magic to the b...@libreoffice.org account that forwards to the bsa-reporter - without keeping the original reporter in the loop, bug report quality will only get worse - very hackish approach - the idea to create to send the bug to a mailing list for review instead of blindly creating a bug is interesting (Bjoern) - might help getting more people involved in QA - works with local teams in non-english too - we could do a testdrive of this with those l10n communities that have enough manpower to handle the incoming native language reports: - portuguese/brazil - french - german - english - requires those prescreening the report to be responsive and reliable (thus their teams need a certain size) Best, Bjoern - End forwarded message - -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] minutes of the LibreOffice QA call 2012-10-05 (today) 1300UTC
Hi, Here are the minutes of the QA call today. attendance: Thorsten, Joel, Bjoern pending action items: - merge 3.5 and 3.6 in one big bibisect repo (Bjoern) - recheck and tweak bibisect details (Bjoern) - Ping cloph if we can make that switchable to say "Bug" instead of "EasyHack" when explcitly requested (Bjoern) - new Bug Hunting Sessions (Cor) completed action items: - setup hard hack wiki page (Joel) structured manual testing (Yifan/Petr): - no news bug wrangling: - no new hardhacks needed this week - open/closed hardhack overview AI: - add closed hard hacks to wiki (Joel) AI: - blog about it (Bjoern) AI: - lead Joel to get his blog on the planet, once he has one (Bjoern) - triaging project update (Joel) - we should poke native lang team (Thorsten) AI: - poke Sophie about triaging (Bjoern) - bugzilla contract updates -> postponed, call next week community building/communication (Joel/Florian?) - QA Wochenende in Essen - need more people - few newcomer - bibisect for windows very popular - ping Norbert to go forward with it - timebased releases still perceived as a problem - stable is essentially blocked -- it is open for half a year for critical bugs only and hard hacks are the way to communicate those to development without overcommitment (Thorsten/Bjoern) - more testers of master/3.x.0 needed - marketing storm always hits 3.x.0 - has to be stable enough to prevent backslash - needs to be announced at this point in time to allow early adopters bugreporting - auto updater (Windows) - initial troubles should be solved now - activate for which minor? 3.x.2/3.x.3 - maybe offer a update button without popup for early-adopters in addition (pull-model on request, push at .2/.3) (Bjoern) - BSA API - some reservations: - we have no trouble with the number of initial bug reports - too easy bugfiling lowers the quality of reported bugs, creating even more work for bugwranglers - we are in need of bug wranglers, not so much reporter - most of 'too late bugs' are not 'not reported', but 'not visible to dev as a critical bug' - instead, we should create a landing page on the end of the BSA? - invite people to: - confirm bugs - verify fixed bugs (mostly to motivate more people into running master) - maybe even have a menu entry in About for that? Best, Bjoern -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] minutes of the LibreOffice QA call 2012-09-26 1300UTC
Hi, here are the minutes of the QA call. additions and corrections welcome. Best, Bjoern pending action items: - merge 3.5 and 3.6 in one big bibisect repo (Bjoern) - recheck and tweak bibisect details (Bjoern) - Ping cloph if we can make that switchable to say "Bug" instead of "EasyHack" when explcitly requested (Bjoern) - new Bug Hunting Sessions (Cor) structured manual testing (Yifan/Petr): - no news bug wrangling: - postmortem for previous hardhacks -> postponed - new hardhacks selection https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47283 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46100 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=37580 - better collect hardhack candidates on a wikipage - best with a proposed and accepted section, to prevent pet bug flooding AI: - setup hard hack wiki page (Joel) - triaging project (Joel) - 5 new contributors - triaging party next week - bugzilla contract updates -> postponed - bug prioritization, can we start for real (continue)? http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-Bugs-prioritization-missing-pieces-td4002450.html - yes, for new bugs - not worth it for explicitly wading trough old bugs/backlog community building/communication (Joel/Florian?) - QA Wochenende in Essen next weekend - who will join? - Florian R., Thorsten, Florian Effenberger among others - Joel, Bjoern will try to attend remotely - better mission statement for QA: proposals? -> postponed next call: Friday, October 5th 2012 1300UTC (moved by http://doodle.com/ng83xh2bc4kz2ns8 to the earlier time) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] [bjoern.michael...@canonical.com: Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice QA Call 2012-08-24]
- Forwarded message from Bjoern Michaelsen - Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 22:44:48 +0200 From: Bjoern Michaelsen To: libreoffice...@lists.freedesktop.org Subject: Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice QA Call 2012-08-24 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Hi all, here are the minutes of the QA call on 2012-08-24. Additions and corrections most welcome. Best, Bjoern QA Call 2012-08-24 minutes: pending action items: - write update scenario testcase in Litmus/MozTrap (Kendy) - Invite active bugwranglers to next call/QA list, CC Rainer (Bjoern) - merge 3.5 and 3.6 in one big bibisect repo (Bjoern) - recheck and tweak bibisect details (Bjoern) - research how it is done on SUSE/if there is a ready-to-use-extension for bugzilla email search improvements - Ping cloph if we can make that switchable to say "Bug" instead of "EasyHack" when explcitly requested (Bjoern) - new Bug Hunting Sessions (Cor) - betas for Fedora (Caolan) - send list of active wranglers (Rainer) (again?) structured manual testing (Yifan/Petr?): - lots of progress on MozTrap - Yifan working on this again - l10n still a challange - some login trouble is a known issue, just retry - can we find someone to prepare marketing on this one? - support for MozTrap via qa mailing list for now - please give it a try - ESC deciced to lower the release frequency - new build every two weeks - just two betas - more time for thorough testing bug wrangling (Rainer): - bugzilla contract improvements (Rainer): - no reports, but duplicate display and JS-Magic in CC seems to work beautifully - find first 5 LibreOffice HardHacks https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?bug_id=34548%2C%2038913%2C%2036681%2C%2033302%2C%2032948&list_id=115087 that is: 34548, 38913, 36681, 33302, 32948 - bug priotization, can we start for real? http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-Bugs-prioritization-missing-pieces-td4002450.html - welltriaged (so possibly easy to fix), but not highly critical bugs currently fall though the cracks - introducing "best triaged bugs"? (Rainer) - maybe, but our many categorys (EasyHacks, HardHacks, MAB, Best Triaged) are already confusing (Bjoern) AI - think about idea and consolidate without adding too much complexity (Rainer) community building/communication: - NEEDINFO postmortem - in general it was deparately needed and a good thing we got this going - not at all unusual, is done in the same way at SUSE and on Ubuntus Launchpad - better communication next time: - preparing blog post - possibly a comment to the bugs that if nothing happens in X days, the bug will be closed, before doing it for real - HardHacks: http://skyfromme.wordpress.com/2012/08/20/announcing-libreoffice-hardhacks/ - new QA IRC channel: libreoffice-qa - better time for qa call - Joel: One hour earlier would already be good for US volunteers -> Doodle query Next call: 2012-09-07 1300UTC unless a different time results from the doodle query This will need to have a different host, as I will be on vacation ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: libreoffice...@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ - End forwarded message - -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] [michael.me...@suse.com: minutes of ESC call ...]
- Forwarded message from Michael Meeks - Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:13:48 +0100 From: Michael Meeks To: libreoffice-dev , Libreoffice-qa Subject: minutes of ESC call ... X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.3 * Present + Kohei, Rainer, Cedric, Lionel, Eike, Astron, Andras, Stephan, Caolan, Michael, Thorsten, Norbert, Kendy, Michael S, Petr * Completed Action Items + task selection for LibreOffice 4 wiki: + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/LibreOffice4 + [ punted for now ] * Pending Action Items + [pending] notify all committers when we have a nice simple, minimal statement of what is required for gerrit written (Bjoern) + reviews done + make bytemark windows box do release builds (Fridrich) + maildrop for Gerrit (Bjoern) + 3/4 done, in progress idly. + 4.0 issues (Everyone) + everyone interested in cleanups - claim your work until next ESC! + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/LibreOffice4 + crediting: can we separate tempates in the credits page (Spaetz) + [ in progress ] * Release Engineering update (Petr) + 3.6.0 update & post-mortem + all was quiet until the last two release candidates + only panicing at the last minute + was timing related / summertime ? + first-start / updating bug issue + underestimated + Stephan: bad timing, reported on Linux etc. used non-released builds between. + by chance, Michael fixed the windows build + prereg feature only used on Windows, fix for issues didn't make it into 3.6 from master. + systemic problem where people are encouraged to remove their user-installation vs. moveaside & make available. AI: + update QA FAQs / challenge answers to encourage moving profiles away instead of deleting (Rainer) + user installs can have sensitive data though, care needed - but keep that around. + non-upgrades for profiles from dev / intermediate versions + removing user-profile inconsistent data hid issues and hurt testing too + Always create code to upgrade / never advise removal of inconsistent data. + Rainer happy to help with profiles. + suggest zero tolerance policy for upgrade issues during development + could have upgrade tinderbox (Bjoern) + be nice to have some unit tests too (Michael) + most important thing to get to better tests (Stephan) + standard test for how profile updates work (Rainer) + it ~never works, but put more focus on this + the problem was so frequent people got used to it. + adopt a near zero tolerance policy for upgrade issues during development + bibisect can cause problems (Bjoern) + agree - lots of ignoring of profile problems with WORKSFORME when profiles are removed (Rainer) + should not tolerate this. + collecting user-configuration - have a script / app to dump it as a .zip ? AI: + file an easy-hack to ship a binary to dump it (Petr) + 2x days of performance issues on the main website + can cause issues + missing MSI signatures + Andras forgot; normally some RC tester checks/reports that + Thorsten added validation to upload scripts. + few native-lang projects deferred announce due to dictionaries bug + 3.6.1 RC1 + pull the timeline in - do RC1 in 1 week instead + freeze / checkin deadline on Monday + RC2 in one extra week. + fixes the upgrade bug earlier. + 3.5.6 RC2 + tagged this week / final version + builds being up-loaded / announce soon - on track. * GSOC update (Cedric) + bit more than a week to go, make students aware it's almost over + pencils down / evaluations by August 20th * UI / design update (Astron) + discussion about updated icons for gallery + ongoing options discussion + official git repo for artwork ?
[libreoffice-projects] [bjoern.michael...@canonical.com: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Ubuntu Developer Summit]
Forward to projects@ as this does not concern only marketing and development. Best, Bjoern - Forwarded message from Bjoern Michaelsen - Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 15:50:28 +0200 From: Bjoern Michaelsen To: market...@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Ubuntu Developer Summit User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Hi there, On Sun, Aug 05, 2012 at 05:59:31AM -0400, Marc Paré wrote: > Hi Leif > > Le 2012-07-30 14:52, leif a écrit : > >Hi, > >Does anyone plan to speak at the Ubuntu Developer Summit in Copenhagen > >later this year? > >http://uds.ubuntu.com/ > > > >I'm not a developer so I think someone with blood type C++ should hold > >the flag ;-) > > > >Otherwise I plan to participate in the summit - just to stay up to date. > > > > > >Cheers, > >Leif Lodahl > >The Danish non-programmer > > > > I have added this to the LibreOffice events calendar. Could I add > you as the LibreOffice contact person for this event seeing as you > are attending? Do you think there are any events during the summit > where LibreOffice could make its presence known? I will be there of course and also have my usual 2-4 LibreOffice sessions. That said I would love others to join in and have sessions of their own. Here is a introduction on how to get started: http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/11/04/start-your-uds-blueprint-registering-engines/ (replace uds-l with uds-r) And UDS is totally _not_ only a hacker/coder conference. See for example the tracks and sessions for the last one at: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/ . So Design, QA, Localization, Marketing are all very welcome too. So please submit your blueprint proposals and join me at UDS! Best, Bjoern - End forwarded message - -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] [michael.me...@suse.com: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...]
- Forwarded message from Michael Meeks - Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:52:16 +0100 From: Michael Meeks To: libreoffice-dev , Libreoffice-qa Subject: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ... X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.3 * Present: + Norbert, Stephan, Rainer, Michael, Bjoern, Kohei, Caolan, Christian, Kendy, Petr, Cedric, Michael S, Astron * Completed Action Items + quest for kind volunteer to update the website (Michael) + thanks to Marc ! + another review for splash-screens (Michael) + 4.0 wiki page section split (Kendy) + check new templates are using auto-fitting functionality (PEtr) * Pending Action Items + [pending] notify all committers when we have a nice simple, minimal statement of what is required for gerrit written (Bjoern) + reviews done + make bytemark windows box do release builds (Fridrich) + maildrop for Gerrit (Bjoern) + 3/4 done, in progress idly. + 4.0 issues (Everyone) + everyone interested in cleanups - claim your work until next ESC! + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/LibreOffice4 + crediting: can we separate templates / artwork in the credits page (Spaetz?) * Release Engineering update (Petr) + 3.6.0 RC4 + annoying bug: comments lots during .xls / .xlsx export + not good, but probably not a blocker + autocorrection & dictionaries internal / user-installation extensions not had their versions bumped => not working (Stephan) + actively registered / lightproof uno extensions also have some update issues - have a fix as well (Stephan) + grammar-checker impairment + workaround - manually remove bundled extensions directory + locating it on windows is a pain. + registering bundled extn's + slowest bit is help registration - hence version check. + decision: ship it now + release note it carefully + 3.6.1 RC1 is due in 2 weeks + all above issues fixed + 3.5.6 RC1 status + built except for Win32, start up-loading later today + RC2 deadline is on Monday - tripple review for -3-5-6 + Automatic update / suggesions policy + we can choose which versions update to what versions (Kendy) + perfectly possibly to recommend 3.5.0 -> 3.6.0 but avoid 3.5.1+ -> 3.6.0 + no user configuration for enthusiasm for updates ? (Norbert) + only enable / disable + re-visit update to 3.6.1 from 3.5.0 + perennial updating / first-start user-experience issues + re-thinking the complicated optimisations here sounds like a good plan. * GSOC update (Cedric) + ongoing work - pencils down / evaluations by August 20th * 4.0 - ongoing discussion (Kendy) + thanks to those who assigned themselves some tasks + should we start now or post-re-basing ? + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/LibreOffice4 + can we do the less incompatible changes first (Bjoern) + deadline - of next week for volunteers for tasks + proposal - call next version 4.0, pending wider input. + whole point of 4.0 - if incompatible (Michael S) + will keep people on last 3.x release for longer so need to support it for longer + always true even if we do 3.7 (Norbert) + concerns wrt. longer term support of re-based code + if we retain good back-compat / bridging much less of an issue (Michael) + start working, and testing breakage (Stephan) + start doing it & see if it works or breaks + unclear proposal / need an updated release plan (Bjoern) + wide-spread code changed blocked anyway on re-basing (Lubos) + discussion ongoing with 3.6.x fixing + could we have a re-based 4.0 with no ABI break (Stephan) + announce intention to break things (Bjoern) + potential to incremental numbering eg. 4 -> 5 -> 6 for next releases (Stephan) + extend deadline until next week for task selection in wiki + please take ownership of tasks + and/or consider what can be done without breaking binary compatibility. * UI / design update (Astron) + ongoing vacations for Mirek + CTL discussion still under consideration * Call for Papers for talks @ LibreOffice conference + if your name includes non-ascii chara
[libreoffice-projects] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice QA Call 2012-07-27
Hi all, here are the minutes of the LibreOffice QA call on 2012-07-27 14:00 UTC. Additions and corrections welcome. attendance: Petr, Rainer, Norbert, Bjoern completed action items: + - Invite active bugwranglers to next call/QA list, CC Rainer (Bjoern) - authorative close of bugzilla versioning thread (Rainer/Petr) - adapt scripts for new versioning (Markus) pending action items: - write update scenario testcase in Litmus/MozTrap (Kendy) - Set Cor up with the Community/Forum maintainers at the distros to better propagate Hackfests, Bug Hunting Sessions etc. RedHat, Debian, Gentoo still missing + - Invite active bugwranglers to next call/QA list, CC Rainer (Bjoern) - merge 3.5 and 3.6 in one big bibisect repo (Bjoern) - recheck and tweak bibisect details (Bjoern) - research how it is done on SUSE/if there is a ready-to-use-extension for bugzilla email search improvements - Ping cloph if we can make that switchable to say "Bug" instead of "EasyHack" when explcitly requested (Bjoern) - new Bug Hunting Sessions (Cor) - betas for Fedora (Caolan) structured manual testing (Yifan/Petr?) bug wrangling (Rainer): - bugzilla contract improvements (Rainer): - while there is some inital latency in a query, results are much quier and reliably to browse now - next up: OpenID for Bugzilla community building/communication: AI - send list of active wranglers (Rainer) (already done) bibisect for tinderboxes (Norbert): - basically works on Linux, OSX. Windows is WiP - early tests encouraging: - 100 builds at ~400MB - Linux a bit smaller, OSX a bit bigger - at current growth would mean: - 60MB/day 300MB/week or 15GB/year - not blocking daily incremental uploads at that size - even smaller than uploading a full daily build - 'sampling out' with git rewrite should solve that - release branch builds still need solving - possible tweaks: - sdk generates quite big diffs by having timestamps - python seems to generate a diff contribution everytime too - fixing these would make the delta even smaller - l10n builds would be huge - OTOH does l10n change that often? (Bjoern) - builds with symbols are only plus 30MB, might be well worth it - we still need to have an upload location - clarify with Thorsten: can we do that on gimli (Norbert) - bytemark machine is waiting for use - should continue Bjoerns bibisect series (Norbert) The next call is on 2012-08-10 1400 UTC. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] [michael.me...@suse.com: minutes of ESC call ...]
- Forwarded message from Michael Meeks - Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:50:28 +0100 From: Michael Meeks To: libreoffice-dev , Libreoffice-qa Subject: minutes of ESC call ... X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.3 * Present: Norbert, Stephan, Eike, David T, Lionel, Markus, Kendy, Bjoern, Caolan, Andras, Michael M, Fridrich, Michael S, Rainer, Astron, Tibbylickle * Completed Action Items + fix CC-By-SA licensing requirements (Andras) + Mango icons - in gerrit pending review (Astron) AI: + reviewing action needed for 3-6-0 etc. (Michael, Caolan) * Pending Action Items + notify all committers when we have a nice simple, minimal statement of what is required for gerrit written (Bjoern) AI: + get list of freedesktop mails to Bjoern (Norbert) + check new templates are using auto-fitting functionality (Thorsten) + crediting: can we separate tempates in the credits page (Spaetz?) + quest for kind volunteer to update the website (Michael) * Release Engineering update (Fridrich) + 3.5.5 released, DVDs up-loaded yesterday etc. + 3.6.0 RC2 + build issues on windows but finally up-loaded this morning + synching to mirrors, announce expected tomorrow + branch created for libreoffice-3-6-0 + commits must be cherry-picked from 3-6 + after an additional two reviews (+1 for -3-6) + 3.5.6 RC1 - July 30th ish * 3.6.0 blocker bug check (Petr/Michael) + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=6&hide_resolved=1 + Java runtime fix / cherry-pick + concerned that the fix is right ? we can't ship endless MSVC++ runtimes. + 3.5+ Mac a11y issue - Stephan & Norbert hunting + working with 3.6 and it works well (Rainer) + most concern around base performance issues + integrated cache regression speedup before branch (Fridrich) + not a crash issue (Lionel) + we can release-note & fix for 3.6.1 AI: + review updated license / dos (Caolan, Bjoern) + concern wrt. count of testers (Bjeorn) + universal / release snapshot unique IP numbers + B1 1200, B2 1200, B3 700, RC1 500 + B3: 55 Linux, 54 Mac, 584 Windows + plus Linux distro downloads in parallel AI: + check updater to push people through to upgrade RCs (Kendy) * GSOC update (Fridrich) + nine of ten students passed the midterm evaluation + lots of great work going on, and applied dedication * UI / design update (Astron) + icons already discussed AI: + another review for splash-screens (Michael) + about box background image pending + 'official' conference logo is pending needs decision * cppunit / build issues (Stephan/Moggi/Michael) + --disable-cve-tests - useful on windows wrt. anti-virus + slam-dunk / good idea, merge the patch. + indifferent about --disable-xmlsec + only intended for iOS / Android currently, should not be used on Linux. + configure should check & fail if this option is set for non iOS / Android + --disable-cppunit is controversial + programmers are lazy, we want widespread unit test running & coverage (Markus) + once needed to disable unit tests working on coretext (Norbert) + 'make build' already exists (Markus) + not widely publicised + disables all unit tests in the build + problem is it doesn't build an install-set + can run make cmd cmd=bin/ooinstall after that + Ubuntu disables tests during the build already, so make check runs them in a separate phase (Bjoern) + disabling unit tests generally seems a bad idea, each time unit tests break - turned out to be a regression (Fridrich) + potential unit test performance problems + potential slowdown for linux tinderbox build tests investigating it (Norbert) + seen some runaway unit tests / slowchecks, chasing it (Bjoern) + will continue to dedicate some small % of build-time running unit tests * MSI cross-compilation from Linux (Tibby) + been merged to master + java enabled / compilation issues + help with build process / location of uuidgen using undocumented parameters etc. AI: + help get tinderboxes building up-loading msis (Andras) * re-basing update (Michael) + 85 modules ~complete, 48 to go + ~19k files re-based. * un-merged patches in
[libreoffice-projects] [michael.me...@suse.com: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...]
- Forwarded message from Michael Meeks - Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 16:55:50 +0100 From: Michael Meeks To: libreoffice-dev , Libreoffice-qa Subject: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ... X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.3 * Present: + Pierre-Eric, Stephan, Lionel, Eike, Bjoern, Michael, Cedric, Astron, Thorsten, Rainer, Caolan, David, Petr * Completed Action Items + fix gerrit moderation issues (Bjoern) + help Mirek update Mac installer artwork (Thorsten) + always official artwork in RC1, needs thoufgth + adapt & bring closer the 3.5.6 schedule (Petr) + design team made nice google+ post about new templates (Mirek) https://plus.google.com/u/0/102673546895803839652/posts/B69SRVVi89t * Pending Action Items + notify all committers when we have a nice simple, minimal statement of what is required for gerrit written (Bjoern) + pending Norbert's return + check new templates are using auto-fitting functionality (Thorsten) + crediting: can we separate templates in the credits page (Spaetz?) * Release Engineering update (Petr) + 3.5.5 retrospective + went well, modulo needing another release-candidate + should we extend the gap between RC's - or not ? + prolly not we get few of these fix regressions + 3.5.6 RC1 - July 14th - 2 weeks time. + 3.6.0 RC1 + builds ready, pending Mac PPC builds, announce tomorrow + looking good, but plenty of bugs to fix + 3.6.0 RC2 - Monday deadline AI: + quest for kind volunteer to update the website (Michael) + Unique IP's using 3.6.0 betas so far: + B1 - 1100 + B2 - 1000 + B3 - 220 * GSOC update (Cedric) + time to ensure all evaluations are in; only 2 pending. * UI / design update (Astron) + concerns about green-ness of new branding + leave it as-is for now; fix later in 3.6.2 if people havn't acclimatised to the brightness. + more tweaks to meet branding / alignment requirements => new splashes coming + progress bar appearance on OS/X is poor + about-box / background image work in progress AI: + Mango icons - not in yet, going in ~tomorrow (Astron) AI: + fix CC-By-SA licensing requirements (Michael) * re-basing update (Michael) + 76 modules ~complete, 59 to go + ~17k files re-based. * Solaris compile / status update (Pierre-Eric) + friendly French chap working for Lanedo + couple of weeks of work to make it compile on Solaris with gcc + so far, starts, looks pretty and crashes + involved on IRC (pepp) - debugging and improving things there + focused on Intel initially * un-merged patches in bugzilla (Michael S / Caolan) + halved the numbers of open bugs * cppunit / build issues (Michael) + deferred for Markus / David to be present. * QA update (Rainer) + business as usual + no un-expected problems in 3.6 + no real blockers known currently + Tollef's bugzilla improvements + migrated database to faster & virtualised hardware. + fewer error-message problems so far. * Windows / ldap (Fridrich) + porting from mozilla ldap library to native windows API + moving to openldap included for linux / generic builds + leave mozilla code for addressbook integration, and/or re-write to avoid big chunk of mozilla bundled + use NSS for security pieces * gerrit update (David / Bjoern) + E-mail firehose + initially a bit much, turned it down a bit. + send mails for 'new change' and 'merged' now. + 'merged' is buggy, if you push directly without signing-off on gerrit before; bug filed. + gerritbot: scripting to eg. send mails etc. is in: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/contrib/dev-tools/tree/gerritbot + can we have the patch in the 'new change' mail (Lionel) + would be nice ! + two ways to do mailing - better to move to using stream object and generate our own mails (Bjoern) + change templates on server-side; would affect all subscribing to a watched project. + could we not send mails for committers' changes (Petr) + hard to do (Bjoern) + some benefits + only a few more steps (Eike) + confusion from several routes through the flow + patches are well-formed & apply (Michael) + unwelcome transactional cost (Fridrich) + others havn't tried it yet but should. + still some teething troubles from startup costs (Bjoern)
[libreoffice-projects] [michael.me...@suse.com: minutes of ESC call ...]
- Forwarded message from Michael Meeks - Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 16:13:32 +0100 From: Michael Meeks To: libreoffice-dev , Libreoffice-qa Subject: minutes of ESC call ... X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.3 * Present + Rainer, Markus, Mirek, Mitch, Michael, Michael S, Eike, Ellie, Thorsten, Bjoern, Kohei, Cedric * Completed action items + file GSoC / mentor session for Berlin (Cedric) + look into cppunit related build issues on Win32 / master (Michael) + poke SPI wrt. sysadmin contract (Michael) + mail the winning / new splash images to Thorsten (Astron) + new master builds for Windows (Fridrich) + the Bytemark builds should produce a test-able build + work on unifying spaetz + David's gerrit related tools (Bjoern) + stick with horror shell / logerrit for now in master + moving to 'git review' from openstack in future (David) http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GitReview + disable cxx0x options in our builds by default (Bjoern) + obsolete - gcc maintainers got it together + [pending] merge the new pretty templates in place of the old ugly ones (Astron) + new problems shown up with this - + Caolan has tool for templates to strip lang tags so it works + try template lang tag stripping tool + need to fix & merge for Beta3 * Pending Action Items + check new templates are using auto-fitting functionality (Thorsten) + notify all committers when we have a nice simple, minimal statement of what is required for gerrit written (Bjoern) + adapt & bring closer the 3.5.6 schedule (Petr) * UI / design update (Astron) + templates + have merged much nicer templates (Astron) + slightly different set to those previewed, but good + crediting: get --author right when pushing git commits AI: + crediting: can we separate tempates in the credits page (Spaetz?) + pretty new splash-screen and shell artwork committed to master + can we detect if there is no need for a splash + lots of thinking going on about improving the options dialog + take Mango icon update under CC-By-SA (for now) + push what we want for now + add credits to the license file. * GSOC update (Cedric) + next week - mid-term evaluations for both students & mentors + every student must file their evaluation + every mentor -must- file their evaluations to pass/fail etc. not filing is a 'no' and bad-karma for the project. + features need merging into master. + ideally the 2nd half of the work should be done directly in master. * Release Engineering update (Thorsten) + 3.5.5 status + RC3 is announced & live, including a few new fixes => final absent drastic new showstoppers + 3.6.0 Beta 3 + being sent to the mirrors, announce tonight/saturday + new artwork will be delayed until RC1. + RC1 tagging ~mid next week. + final release at end of month * re-basing update (Michael) + ~68/~70 modules complete. + will incorporate migrate of idlc -> uccp + discuss other migrations as/when/next * gerrit update (Bjoern) + lots of fixes / reports from Miklos - thanks + firehose gerrit updates to the mailing list until complaints. + quite a number blocked by moderation AI: + look at gerrit moderation issues / regex's (Thorsten) * un-merged patches in bugzilla (Michael S / Caolan) + several committed, patch flags removed for patches not intended to be integrated (debug, sample), or patches integrated but not completely fixing the bug + ongoing work to clean up. * MSI cross-compilation (Eilidh) + feature/crossmsi branch created + an msidb subset using Wine created + links to LGPL wine libraries + blog post to follow * QA update (Rainer) + contracting bugzilla improvements (blocking on SPI) + funding approved + openhatch - do we have feedback ? + not much coming as of now + interest in attracting low-frequency code contributors to QA * Mac installer icon theme (Mirek) AA: + help Mirek updating artwork for that (Thorsten) * new masterpages (Bjoern) + crash when opening vector-art templates fixed. AA: + be nice if design team blog about new templates - mention B3 (Mirek) * ohloh non-updating (Eike) + they have been poked about it & are working on it. * 4.0 - when is it ? (Kendy) + p
[libreoffice-projects] [michael.me...@suse.com: LibreOffice ESC call, Thur Jul 5th - 14:00UTC]
Hi Norbert, - Forwarded message from Michael Meeks - + notify all committers when we have a nice simple, minimal statement of what is required for gerrit written (Bjoern) - End forwarded message - IIRC you had a way to get all 'our' freedesktop accounts so that we can recheckeveryone moved over? Best, Bjoern -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] minutes of the LibreOffice QA Call 2012-06-29 1400UTC
Hi, please find the minutes of the QA call below. Additions and corrections most welcome. attending: Cor, Florian, Petr, Rainer, Bjoern pending action items: - write update scenario testcase in Litmus/MozTrap (Kendy) - merge 3.5 and 3.6 in one big bibisect repo (Bjoern) - recheck and tweak bibisect details (Bjoern) - research how it is done on SUSE/if there is a ready-to-use-extension for bugzilla email search improvements (Petr) completed action items: - Set Cor up with the Community/Forum maintainers at the distros to better propagate Hackfests, Bug Hunting Sessions etc. - Invite active bugwranglers to next call/QA list, CC Rainer (Bjoern) (Bjoern will repeat by bugzilla query, Rainer by his spreadsheet) - Ping cloph if we can make that switchable to say "Bug" instead of "EasyHack" when explcitly requested (Bjoern) - authorative close of bugzilla versioning thread (Rainer/Petr) - adapt scripts for new versioning (Markus) - new Bug Hunting Sessions (Cor) done, see mailing list - betas for Fedora (Caolan) structured manual testing (Yifan/Petr?) - moztrap: no news - gerrit possiblities - LibreOffice Online for testing? (Florian) - more tests needed, still write them in litmus, migration to moztrap shouldnt be too much of issue (Petr) bug wrangling (Rainer): - own bugzilla requirements/improvement tasks http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/How_to_Improve_Bugzilla - make things more concrete: - list of powerful extensions (Rainer) - wiki is canonical place to discuss/amend starting from Sunday - NEEDINFO wrapup (Rainer) - NEEDINFO cleanun session - more closing of NEEDINFO -- more than 60-90 days old - more than 1000 of those around (Florian) - we need a good bulk change comment and wiki page - this is an automatic message - postponed to the next call AI: - draft this - findtheexpert is out of date (Rainer) - should be dynamically generated from git (Petr/Bjoern) - take it to the ESC - old memory leaks report lurking in bz (Rainer) - not securty issues per se for an desktop app (Bjoern/Petr) - take it to the ESC community building/communication: - localizition/qa call on weekends/evening? - additional call splits us thin (Cor) AI: - quantify: how much potential is there for new l10n/voluteer contributors? (Sophie) - does not really work for Bjoern/Petr as a sole call - for now stay where we are, - virtual german community meeting (Florian): - long weekend - not too much actual bugwrangling, but - bibisecting - education - knowledge sharing - needs more people - needs repetition bibisect for 3.5 release branch and 3.6 master (Bjoern/Korrawit): - no news next call: 2012-07-13 1400UTC Best, Bjoern -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] [michael.me...@suse.com: minutes of ESC call ...]
- Forwarded message from Michael Meeks - Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 09:56:32 +0100 From: Michael Meeks To: libreoffice-dev , Libreoffice-qa Subject: minutes of ESC call ... X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.3 * Present: + Eike, Astron, Markus, Rainer, Michael, Kendy, Bjoern, Michael Stahl, Caolan, David, Cedric, Andras, Petr, Lionel * Completed Action Items + icons: poke Mango authors (Michael) + revert 3.6 to opaque background on Win7 (Kendy) * Pending Action Items + [pending] merge the new pretty templates in place of the old ugly ones (Michael S) + new problems shown up with this - + Caolan has tool for templates to strip lang tags so it works + try template lang tag stripping tool + need to fix & merge for Beta3 + check new templates are using auto-fitting functionality (Thorsten) + notify all committers when we have a nice simple, minimal statement of what is required for gerrit written (Bjoern) * Ongoing Action Items: + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/ - click 'register' (All hackers) + then poke Norbert by E-mail to get yourself setup a commiter / reviewer + the E-mail used for openID registration and user-account on is needed (cf. core/.git/config) * GSOC update (Cedric) + mid term evaluations arriving soon - start thinking about what to put + face-to-face mentor meeting in Berlin + submit a private GSOC mentors' BoF @ conference * Release Engineering update (Petr) + 3.5.5 status - RC2 + currently being pushed to mirrors; on-track + not aware of any blockers => final. + 3.5.6 planned for September: 2 months away - a lot ? + do another in August between 3.6.0 and 3.6.1 ? AI: + add to schedule (Petr) + 3.6 / Beta 3 + deadline Monday for final string / late-feature freeze + Beta 3 issue: template blocking - Michael S kindly took it. + last beta before 3x release candidates + commit bug fixes without review, until RC1 + then one extra review from RC1 * UI / design update (Astron) + splash screen + start-center + have a google+ vote on which one is best shortly. + get it included over the weekend + official TDF artwork handed around in a tar-ball AA: + mail the winning image to Thorsten (Astron) + Win7 glass foo reverted by popular request + templates as above + killing options: + nice research in: + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Whiteboards/KillOptions + would like CJK always-on, and with less UI + but: three font-selectos in the paragraph style dialog, not ideal. + (Caolan) 'C' locale is a 'no idea what people want' locale the categories are the same as MS Office. add an easy one-click button to see these ? * CXX0X-ABI incompatibility can of worms (Bjoern) + gcc 4.7 - cxx0x extension is binary incompatible + incompatible stdlib symbols that bust + http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2012-06/msg00201.html + luck that it worked until now: it was compatible. AA: + should disable in our builds by default (Bjoern) + not easy to detect; crashers like: + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51342 + show up randomly. + lots of cascading dependencies of different ABI's ... + serious long-run problem for building vs. system packages + potentially accelerates our move away from a single image that runs on every linux if disros pick up the new ver. * new cppunit release (Markus) + all our patches up-streamed into the new cppunit version + have a VisualStudio project file to build on win32 + misc. sourceforge bug tracker bugs fixed. + build-system issues nailed + auto_ptr warning spew killed + master updated to latest cppunit AA: + look into misc. build issues on master (Michael) * re-basing update (Michael) + 15k of 45k files complete - ~30% + 47 of ~150 directories complete + will incorporate migrate of idlc -> uccp + discuss other migrations as/when/next * gerrit update (Bjoern) + still getting a couple of mails if you push: "something to review" and "it's already in" + goes away when gerrit owns the repo. + multiple efforts to update the helper scripts AA: +
[libreoffice-projects] Re: [ANN] LibreOffice 3.5.5 RC2 test builds available
Hi, On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 04:15:18PM +0200, Fridrich Strba wrote: > Hi *, > > for the upcoming new version 3.5.5, the RC2 builds now start to be > available on pre-releases. This build is slated to be second release > candidate build on the way towards 3.5.5, please refer to our release > plan timings here: > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan#3.5_release > > Builds are now being uploaded to a public (but non-mirrored - so don't > spread news too widely!) place, as soon as they're available. Grab > them here: Ubuntu users wanting to test 3.5.5~rc2 can download a build right now at: https://launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+archive/libreoffice-precisetest-20120327 the same source package has been pushed to: https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=precise and will finish building there in some ~5 hours, making it available to all people who have enabled the LibreOffice PPA. Best, Bjoern -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] [michael.me...@suse.com: minutes of ESC call ...]
- Forwarded message from Michael Meeks - Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:55:11 +0100 From: Michael Meeks To: libreoffice-dev , Libreoffice-qa Subject: minutes of ESC call ... X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.3 * Present: + Bjoern, Eike, Mitch, Stephan, Markus, Michael, Norbert, Cedric, Thorsten, Andras, Mirek, Petr, Kendy, Caolan, Michael S * Completed Action Items + Late feature reviews (Kendy, Astron, Eike, Markus) + icons: send out some mail addresses to poke (Astron) + post on-line update numbers for 3.6 testers (Kendy) + 600 on-line B1 / updaters registered + promote B2 a bit more ... * Pending Action Items + [pending] merge the new pretty templates in place of the old ugly ones (Bjoern) + new problems shown up with this - + Caolan has tool for templates to strip lang tags so it works AI: + try template lang tag stripping tool (Bjoern) + need to fix & merge for Beta3 + icons: poke Tango authors (Michael) * Release Engineering update (Petr) + problems with scripts & new version numbering scheme + hopefully it will survive the test of time + 3.6 / Beta 2 status + builds went well + eager for templates in B3 (last beta + hard string freeze), RC1 in a week + pushing to mirrors as we speak + misc. download script hackery ongoing + 3.5.5 RC2 / deadline next Monday + thanks for tripple reviews for RC2 * GSOC update (Cedric) + mid-terms in three weeks - July 13th; students need to get code included and merged to master for then. * UI / design update (Mirek) + windows menubars support / look + poll up yesterday - transparent vs. opaque vs. 50% + people seem to want it opaque + kendy working on it but happy whatever decision needed soon; on vacation July onwards AI: + revert to an opaque background (Kendy) + splash screen proposals still pending for one week: + submissions welcome: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Playground/Splash_screen + new templates AA + check new templates are using auto-fitting functionality (Thorsten) * re-basing update (Michael) + 14k of 45k files complete - ~30% * gerrit (Bjoern) + idiots guide to using it (for Meeks) + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/gerrit + need more people to test & accelerate it's deployment + some workflows in the wiki are harder than necessarily + when gerrit owns git - no problem. => Major contributors need to log into gerrit so Norbert can give you permissions AI: + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/ - click 'register' (All hackers) AI: + then poke Norbert by E-mail to get yourself setup a commiter / reviewer + the E-mail used for openID registration and user-account on is needed (cf. core/.git/config) + separate group of ACL's for merges / tagging + thanks for working on it (Kendy) + and for the FAQ: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2012-June/033872.html + are we able to continue using git as before ? (Kendy) + yes; people not forced to a new workflow. + if we get it right, people should never feel anything much changed - except the host to push/pull to. + -modulo- that every committer will need a gerrit account in due course before we switch to gerrit owning the git repo + one-day, not before end of July (Norbert) - fdo will become a read-only mirror of gerrit - we already have a special user setup to do this sync. + who has used gerrit ? (Michael) + 24 accounts setup already, but more may have registered AI: + notify all committers when we have a nice simple, minimal statement of what is required written (Bjoern) + concerns about loss of patches (Caolan) + see how it plays out + how can we integrate it well with mail ? (Bjoern) + a daily digest of gerrit commits to dev. list ? (Michael) + send everything to the list to start with & throttle if needed (Kendy) + we have a separate commits list today (Norbert) + start not too much traffic as people use it (Bjoern) + at the end of the day - people still need to do the reviews (Petr) + gerrit has a ni
[libreoffice-projects] [ANN] Please use Gerrit from now on for Patch Review
Hi all, with: http://sweetshark.livejournal.com/13298.html gerrit is documented and ready to go. Please use it for code review as much as possible now as it simplifies things a lot over manual patch fiddling on mailing lists. I will update the EasyHacks to point to gerrit instead in the next days. The last remaining step will be making the repo at gerrit the reference (and the one at freedesktop a read-only mirror). I assume that to be prepared and done until mid-July(*). >From that point on, we will have a lot of opportunity to improve our tinderbox testing and reporting, making life easier and better for everyone working on the codebase. Best, Bjoern (*) Along with the "other" repos. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of the libreoffice qa call 2012-06-14
Hi all, here are the minutes of todays QA call. attending: Florian, Petr, Rainer, Bjoern pending action items: - write update scenario testcase in Litmus/MozTrap (Kendy) - Set Cor up with the Community/Forum maintainers at the distros to better propagate Hackfests, Bug Hunting Sessions etc. RedHat, Debian, Gentoo still missing + - Invite active bugwranglers to next call/QA list, CC Rainer (Bjoern) - merge 3.5 and 3.6 in one big bibisect repo (Bjoern) - recheck and tweak bibisect details (Bjoern) completed action items: - Update/Create active triagers wiki page (Cor/Rainer) dropped - collect further ideas for spending a dedicated resource (Cor/Rainer) mostly finished, BoD request approved - update bugwrangling docs to say CC instead of assign (Rainer) structured manual testing (Yifan/Petr): - no news bug wrangling (Rainer): - Board of Directors approved budget for Bugzilla improvement, pending SPI (Bjoern) - Bugzilla improvements (Rainer) - priorities: performance, OpenID, reporter confirmation, extensions, OpenHatch/MediaWiki, version nagger (Bjoern) - search email improvement a la SUSE bugzilla would be useful (Petr) AI: - research how it is done on SUSE/if there is a ready-to-use-extension for it (Petr) - MediaWiki integration would be useful in general bug now prefixes "EasyHack" everywhere (Rainer) AI:- Ping cloph if we can make that switchable to say "Bug" instead of "EasyHack" when explicitly requested (Bjoern) - bugzilla LibreOffice version format - long thread on the list - conclusion: go with 3.6.0.0.beta1 style(?), starting with 3.6.0.0.beta2 AI:- authoritive close of thread (Rainer/Petr) AI: - adapt script to new version theme (Markus) - localized bug reporting (question via Olivier Hallot) - we could set up a component for that (Rainer) - needs quick and reliable translators - will preduce lots of dupes (Bjoern) - will be problematic if feedback from the reporter is needed (Bjoern) - alternative: defer to the local mailing list and let an english speaker file the bug as proxy automated testing and review (Bjoern/Norbert?): - gerrit/tinderboxes - still has to consider all the consequences (Petr) - 1 day from tag to mirror -- we shouldnt prolong that (Petr) - indeed, gerrit should be a tool to use sensible -- it shouldnt stop inertia. only use it when it makes our life easier. (Bjoern) - dailies should always be build from tip of master, not including patches pending review - lots of conflicting opinions/views about tinderbox capabilities: - "we can build and test every commit on linux" - tinderbox with l10n has a 12 hour turnaround (that is ~50 commit steps) - Can we switch l10n off? (Florian) - discussion somewhat warped by these different assumptions community building/communication (Cor?): - beta testers for 3.6.0 beta 1 - 3.6.0 beta 1 available in ppa (Bjoern) - Wheres a good howto? (Florian) - http://www.webupd8.org/2012/06/libreoffice-360-beta-1-released-ubuntu.html - best to install in a VM still - unfortunately no ppa stats: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1006323 - so far 16 beta bug reports in the first two weeks (vs. 25 for 3.5) - might just be better quality - we need more beta testers AI:- Are there any Bug Hunting Sessions in the pipe? (Cors) - SUSE will prepare packages for the beta for testing too (Petr) AI: - Could Fedora do this too? (Caolan?) - german QA meeting starting half an hour after the call (Florian/Rainer) bibisect for 3.5 release branch and 3.6 master (Bjoern/Korrawit): - no news The next call is on 2012-06-29 1400 UTC. Best, Bjoern -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] [michael.me...@suse.com: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...]
- Forwarded message from Michael Meeks - Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 16:13:21 +0100 From: Michael Meeks To: libreoffice-dev , Libreoffice-qa Subject: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ... X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.3 * Present: + Norbert, Rainer, Eike, Lionel, Michael, Stephan, Andras, Cedric, Bjoern, Kendy, Astron, Petr, Mitch * Completed Action Items + add encryption default UI option in 3.6 (Thorsten) + poke at Windows 8 certification requirements (Andras) + ran the test kit on LibreOffice, passed with warnings + clean uninstall modulo + not un-installing fonts - a feature + file signing issues - need to sign executables + tested on 64bit Win8 - works nicely. + update the splash-screen image for 3.6 (Astron) + contest ongoing ... targeted for Beta3 * Pending Action Items + [pending] merge the new pretty templates in place of the old ugly ones (Bjoern) + all of the templates in modulo BrightBlue problems + these show up only in the product + ready in a branch for merge before Beta2 * Release Engineering update (Petr) + 3.6 / Beta 1 retrospective + delayed by deluge of commits just before FF. + misc. problems caused by one-off gbuild migrations + testing much encouraged here: + not enough new 3.6 specific bugs + 3.6 / Beta 2 + Monday freeze - want all late-features in by then. + 3.5.5 + thanks for all the patch reviews ! + linux build host failed, Fridrich re-built a replacement + rc1 builds up-loaded, deadline for rc2 is in 25th June + longer window than usual * GSOC update (Cedric) + checked-in with a few students this week * Late features for Beta2 + Windows 7 / UI improvements needs 2x more reviews. + Astron: approved the look - with some bug fixes AI: + provide 3rd review of it (Markus) + calc: data-bars & color-scales (Moggi) + Beta1 has most of the core changes for the feature + dialogs & ODF changes were missing & need review / merging + ~1k lines of change AI: + mail this evening for that (Markus) AI: + review Markus' changes (Kendy) AI: + sanity check UI of Markus' changes (Astron) AI: + final sanity check of Kendy's issues (Eike) * UI / design update (Astron) + icon licensing AI: + send out some mail addresses to poke (Astron) AI: + poke Tango authors (Michael) + default document / style-loading before feature-freeze + not quite ready yet + limited font selection annoying / is it worthwhile ? + needs testing, as to whether updating the std. styles alters future documents, and/or impacts performance => punt to 3.7 post discussion + discussing promoting style use (Kendy/Mirek) + show styles in a drop-down + with a sub-menu for improving the styles * SQLite vs. HSQLDB for base (Lionel) + SQLite very sloppy typing can cause serious problems cf. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38811 + no date/time datatype. => perhaps not a good idea to switch to sqlite longer term + without tons of special casing, get lots of nasty bugs outside string, float + a new candidate with sane licensing, sane language, and code size required - thinking ongoing. + our best shot might be firebird + MPL license variant + feature set looks good * Idiots' guide to using gerrit (Bjoern) + postponed for next week * Exciting - existing user profile / upgrade bug tracker: + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43489 + potentially split this out into the 3.5 regression breakdown * gcc 4.7 builds (Bjoern) + is anyone building regularly with this ? + latest Fedora building routinely with that (Stephan) + mostly just new warning cleanup + found an internal compiler error (Bjoern) + subsequenttest failure (Bjoern) + UNO bridges over-aggressive optimisation fix (Stephan) * MSI cross-compile / packaging (Mitch) + Elidh making good progress, sees MSI files created by the code... * re-basing update (Michael) + so far ~4k / 60k .[ch] files re-based + more aggressive string cleanups etc. are now welcome in any file containing the new header ie. git grep 'This file is part of the LibreOffice project' * QA update (Raine
[libreoffice-projects] Re: [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.0 Beta1 available
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 03:59:54AM +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote: > Dear Community, > > The Document Foundation is happy to announce the first beta release of > LibreOffice 3.6.0. The upcoming 3.6.0 will be our fourth major release > in two years, and comes with a nice set of new features. Please be > aware that LibreOffice 3.6.0 Beta1 is not ready for production use, > you should continue to use LibreOffice 3.5.4 for that. For those wanting to test on Ubuntu, please: - set up a VM with Ubuntu 12.04 and in it: - sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libreoffice/libreoffice-prereleases - sudo apt-get update - sudo apt-get install libreoffice and then go viciously testing on it! Best, Bjoern -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] 3.6.0~beta1 in ppa for precise (was: [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.0 beta1 available)
Hi all, On Sat, Jun 09, 2012 at 03:00:43AM +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote: > Hi *, > > for the upcoming new version 3.6.0, we today upload a first beta1 > build that is (almost) feature-complete. For further milestones on the > way towards 3.6.0, please refer to our release plan timings here: > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan#3.6_release > > Builds are now being uploaded to a public (but non-mirrored - so don't > spread news too widely!) place, as soon as they're available. Grab > them here: > > http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/ > > If you've a bit of time, please give them a try & report *critical* > bugs not yet in bugzilla here, so we can incorporate them into the > release notes. Please note that it takes approximately 24 hours to > populate the mirrors, so that's about the time we have to collect > feedback. > > The list of fixed bugs relative to 3.5.4 is here: > > > http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/src/bugfixes-libreoffice-3-6-release-3.5.99.1.log > > So playing with the areas touched there also greatly appreciated - and > validation that those bugs are really fixed. > > Thanks a lot for your help, As with the alpha release, this beta is also available in the prereleases ppa for Ubuntu Precise: https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-prereleases All the warnings of the alpha release announcement still apply. Happy testing! Best, Bjoern -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Alpha1 available from ppa [was: LibreOffice 3.6.0 ALPHA1 test builds available]
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 11:16:15AM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > Indeed -- I will need to fix some dependencies to make in install cleanly. So, > hold on for a bit until that is fixed. LibreOffice-3.6.0~alpha1~0ubuntu1~precise1~ppa4 from that PPA should now give you a base for testing. All of the above warnings still apply. Best, Bjoern -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.0 ALPHA1 test builds available
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 10:33:53AM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > - totally untested Indeed -- I will need to fix some dependencies to make in install cleanly. So, hold on for a bit until that is fixed. Best, Bjoern -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.0 ALPHA1 test builds available
On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 05:12:19PM +0200, Fridrich Strba wrote: > Hi *, > > for the upcoming new version 3.6.0, the first public ALPHA1 builds now > start to be available on pre-releases. > > Builds are now being uploaded to a public (but non-mirrored - so don't > spread news too widely!) place, as soon as they're available. Grab > them here: > > http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/ > > If you've a bit of time, please give them a try & report bugs not yet in > bugzilla. The first beta release is planned for after the feature freeze > that will happen on 4th of June 2012. I also finished a very early prelease package of the LibreOffice-3.6.0~alpha1. It is: - i386 only - in https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-prereleases/ - totally untested - I had to disable smoketest to finish it - will eat your cat and sacrifice your children to Zul - if you throw valueable data at it or install it on a productive system and complain about dataloss, I will mock you in public for it ;) - if you file bugs however, thats of course most welcome! - see: - http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2012/06/03/new-and-changed-features-experience-and-test-them-now/ - http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2012/05/11/new-and-changed-functions-you-can-experience-and-test-them-now/ for things to test and try out To test this: - install Ubuntu 12.04 in a VMWare/VirtualBox - sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libreoffice/libreoffice-prereleases - sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install libreoffice libreoffice-gnome Dont use this on productive machines! Best, Bjoern -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] minutes of the LibreOffice QA call 2012-06-01 14:00 UTC
resend (updating subject, ccing projects) - Forwarded message from Bjoern Michaelsen - Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 18:47:37 +0200 From: Bjoern Michaelsen To: libreoffice...@lists.freedesktop.org Subject: Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice QA call 2012-06-01 14:00 UTC User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Hi, here are the belated minutes of the LibreOffice QA call is on 2012-06-01 14:00 UTC. attending: Rainer, Petr, Korrawit, Bjoern pending action items: - Update/Create active triagers wiki page (Cor/Rainer) - collect further ideas for spending a dedicated resource (Cor/Rainer) -> blocked on CC/Litmus choice & availability - write update scenario testcase in Litmus/MozTrap (Kendy) - Set Cor up with the Community/Forum maintainers at the distros to better propagate Hackfests, Bug Hunting Sessions etc. RedHat, Debian, Gentoo still missing - update bugwrangling docs to say CC instead of assign (Rainer) + - Invite active bugwranglers to next call/QA list, CC Rainer (Bjoern) - merge 3.5 and 3.6 in one big bibisect repo (Bjoern) completed action items: - bulk change remove EasyHacks in summary, make that white board only (Rainer, Florian, all) (actually not possible in bulk, so lets crowdsource this: when you come across a bug with "EasyHack" in title, please remove it there) - send a proposal for liberal assigned use in NEEDINFO to Rainer for review (Bjoern) - create a QA EasyHack "Gather own bugzilla requirements" (Bjoern) - create a wikipage with what we have so far and link to it (Rainer) - blog about bug verification (Bjoern) - bring "new components" topic back to ESC (Rainer, Petr, Bjoern) + - add yourself on openhatch.org (all) - bibisect: update docs (Korrawit -- was originally Bjoern) structured manual testing (Yifan?): - MozTrap still on the way (Petr) - ETA June/August - probably too late for 3.6, but will be there for 3.7/4.0 - Accounts/OpenID still an issue - dust has not quite settled for the project at Mozilla themselves bug wrangling (Rainer): - watching AOO bugtracker interest, but too much noise - just watching for resolved bugs should be useful (Bjoern) - watching other downstreams (RedHat/Ubuntu) more closly might be more useful than AOO (Bjoern) community building/communication (Cor?): - no news discussed bibisect for 3.5 release branch and 3.6 master (Bjoern/Korrawit): - OWA images are there and awesome - docs are updated AI - tweak details (Bjoern) The next call is on 2012-06-12 14:00 UTC. Comments and additions welcome. Best, Bjoern ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: libreoffice...@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ - End forwarded message - -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of the LibreOffice QA call 2012-05-18 14:00 UTC
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 07:38:10PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > - Yifan had good progress setting this up (Petr) this being MozTrap. Best, Bjoern -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] minutes of the LibreOffice QA call 2012-05-18 14:00 UTC
Hi all, here are the minutes of the LibreOffice QA call is on 2012-05-18 14:00 UTC. attending: Markus, Florian, Rainer, Petr, Bjoern pending action items: - Update/Create active triagers wiki page (Cor/Rainer) - collect further ideas for spending a dedicated resource (Cor/Rainer) -> blocked on CC/Litmus choice & availability - write update scenario testcase in Litmus/MozTrap (Kendy) - bulk change remove EasyHacks in summary, make that white board only (Rainer, Florian, all) (actually not possible in bulk, so lets crowdsource this: when you come across a bug with "EasyHack" in title, please remove it there - Set Cor up with the Community/Forum maintainers at the distros to better propagate Hackfests, Bug Hunting Sessions etc. RedHat, Debian, Gentoo still missing - send a proposal for liberal assigned use in NEEDINFO to Rainer for review (Bjoern) - create a QA EasyHack "Gather own bugzilla requirements" (Bjoern) - create a wikipage with what we have so far and link to it (Rainer) - blog about bug verification (Bjoern) - bibisect: update docs (Bjoern) completed action items: - MozTrap evaluation install (Bjoern) -> obsolete + blog about QA EasyHacks (Cor/Bjoern) -> done by Cor, need repetition of course + blog about daily build changes/bugs/features from git log (Cor) - add EasyHack for bugzilla-twitter integration (Bjoern) - bibisect: also rebuild the old ~50 3.5 bibisect installs for the next update (Bjoern) - obsolete, just needs libjpeg62 package installed on precise structured manual testing: - Yifan had good progress setting this up (Petr) - account creation still creates some issues - still might be ready as soon as next week bug wrangling (Rainer): - bugzilla twitter integration - bugzilla git integration might be a blueprint (Markus) - EasyHack: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50096 - assigning policy: really assign or CC? (Petr) - CC is better, dev can then self-assign AA - update bugwrangling docs to say CC instead of assign (Rainer) - some confusion about the use of "new components" (Rainer) - seems to be a better way to distrubute bugs to devs as teams grow - (assigning to one dev isnt that helpful anymore then) - likely a good topic for our own bugzilla, not worth it earlier (Bjoern) AA - bring topic back to ESC (Rainer, Petr, Bjoern) community building/communication (Cor?) AA+ add yourself on openhatch.org (all) - mark yourself as a mentor for LibreOffice too - QA mentoring (Florian) - EasyHacks seem to work great in dev, we should get something similar for QA - How do we find/identify mentees? - twitter integration might get blood in the project, but here we need those who did some verifications/confirmations to take them to the next level - once we have our own bugzilla we should have a "Wanna meet the QA-team"-link to the QA-List in the header/footer - QA-List is freedesktop/hasslesome (Florian) AA+ - Invite active bugwranglers to next call/QA list, CC Rainer (Bjoern) bibisect for 3.5 release branch and 3.6 master (Bjoern/Korrawit): AA - merge 3.5 and 3.6 in one big bibisect repo (Bjoern) - should be done with the next update, likely around 3.6 branchoff - having bibisect in a PPA for automatic updates would be nice (Florian) - investigate bibisect in a PPA (Bjoern) The next LibreOffice QA call is on 2012-06-01 14:00 UTC. As always comments and additions welcome. Best, Bjoern -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] [michael.me...@suse.com: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...]
- Forwarded message from Michael Meeks - Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 21:00:51 +0100 From: Michael Meeks To: libreoffice-dev , Libreoffice-qa Subject: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ... X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.1 * Present: + Rainer, Petr, Kendy, Bjoern, Michael, David, Tor, Eike, Andras, Caolan, Astron, Kohei, Markus, Norbert, Thorsten * Completed action items + poke Jimmac for updated Tango icons (Mirek/Astron) + v. positive response from Lapo + Noel to ack repeat-format proposal for ODF/TC (Noel / Thorsten) + get Alexander commit access & give a free hand (Michael) + look at bytemark / win32 tinderboxes (Fridrich) * Pending Action Items + [working on it] pull up misc. internal versions for 3.6 (Fridrich) + latest cairo build bust on Windows - cairo needed for svg + switch to ChromeOS fonts in master if no reply from Liberation team (Caolan) + http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-May/167150.html + rename VCL API to make it GetBeamerFoo & fix (Michael) + [pending] add encryption default UI option in 3.6 (Thorsten) + [in-progress] think over consequences of moving master -> 3.6 on release etc. (Rainer) + finding the best sol'n + [in-progress] create new bugzilla components next week (Rainer) + write 2 paragraph gerrit teaser to dev-list (Bjoern) + connect Rainer with sysadmins wrt. status/live issues ticker (Thorsten) * Action Items review * GSOC update (Cedric) + poke students who havn't interacted - kick them if no git commit details setup & interactions. * UI / design update (Astron/Mirek) + Alex - working on a design for Android / file manager + another good looking design for the impress remote + discussions around updating Tango on-going + conditional formatting - color-scales for 3.6 or not ? + it will be in 3.6, with data-bars ... + prettier rulers & theming (Kendy) + improved ruler thanks to Mirek's design + Windows 7 theming improvements in progress * Release Engineering update (Petr) + 3.5.4 - update + RC1 builds up-loading to mirrors; on-schedule. + Monday: deadline for 3.5.4rc2 + 3.6 status + Will do an Alpha0 build to test building ... week before feature-freeze ie. week after 3.5.4-rc2 + connectivity, reportreader, shell, scp2 + will enable adding 10-12 modules to tail_build. + will merge next week, in time for 3.6 + eager tripple review volunteers for experimental features + Petr, Bjoern, Caolan * git submodules status / update (Norbert) + plan to integrate remaining modules into git using submodules + switching to it is a bit of a pain + renaming everything one directory up is annoying + applying patches across is annoying + can still checkout just the repos you want + tinbuild work is ongoing + best window to include it - before LibO 3.6 ** Interesting for Release Engineers ** + will move the git structure around inside binfilter, dictionaries, helpcontent + will try to get it in before 3.6 branch + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Submodules + Advantage is - one sha identified version, across the board - and git bisecting works. * build / tinderbox machines + bytemark windows tinderbox machine up & running ... + building a full install with debugsymbols + once per day. AA: + get up-load ssh keys sent / setup (Norbert / Thorsten) * security bug / updated website review (Caolan) + latest CVE information update at: http://www.libreoffice.org/advisories/ + perhaps should list CVEs that don't affect us too ? * QA update (Rainer) + creating new bugzilla components + please visit link & answer questions tomorrow http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Talk:BugReport_Details * 3.5 most annoying bugs ... + 60 open (of 213) older 67/211 68/205 71/205 68/199 74/201 73/193 66/183 28% 32% 33% 35% 34%37%38% 36% + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=37361&hide_resolved=1 * 3.5 bugs tagged with 'regression' + 151(+6) bugs open of 556(+24) total * Componentcount net * + Writer - 58 (+5) + Presentation - 18 (-4) + LibreOffice - 15 (+2) + Spreadsheet - 13 (+3) + Drawing - 9 (+0) + Database - 9 (+0) + Writer / RTF - 7 (-1) + Basic- 2 (+0) + https:/
[libreoffice-projects] [michael.me...@suse.com: minutes of ESC call ...]
- Forwarded message from Michael Meeks - Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:41:46 +0100 From: Michael Meeks To: libreoffice-dev , Libreoffice-qa Subject: minutes of ESC call ... X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.1 * Present: + Norbert, Stephan, Caolan, Eike, Thorsten, Markus, Kohei, Cedric, Andras, Bjoern, Tor, Kendy, Ellie, Rainer, Michael S, Michael M, Petr, Lubos, Mitch * Completed Action Items + poke RedHat security guy wrt. keys (Caolan) + investigate ChromeOS fonts (Caolan) + Google purchased liberation, and added more glyphs best solution is to merge glyphs into Liberation, for now, wait on Liberation guys to get it sorted. AA: re-visit ChromeOS fonts in 2 weeks (Caolan) + investigate Liberation Narrow (Bjoern) + it is included, no problem / action required + firewall issues for new linux tinderbox (Thorsten) + Norbert getting it setup * Pending Action Items + add encryption default UI option in 3.6 (Thorsten) + rename VCL API to make it GetBeamerFoo & fix (Michael) + [pending] pull up misc. internal versions for 3.6 (Fridrich) + get headers to allow rtl:: namespace omitted in soon (Lubos) + but not do the big seds yet * Action Items review * Release Engineering update (Petr) + 3.5.3 status + builds for rc2 are being pushed to mirrors, to be announced tomorrow - on track for release next week. + thanks for help tripple reviewing patches etc. + 3.5.4 - two weeks free before May 14th freeze. + 3.6 status + nothing new; June 4th feature-freeze in five weeks. * GSOC update (Cedric) + community bonding period started + to help people feel at home, get them on IRC etc. + get them commit access, setup etc. + please CC me on freedesktop account bugs - with details. + 10x accepted students: Andrzej Hunt - Smartphone remote control for Impress ArturoPL - Tooling - More and better tests Brennan Vincent - Implementing a Microsoft Publisher import filter Daniel Bankston - Calc Performance Improvements Daniel Korostil - Lightproof improvements Gökcen Eraslan - Signed PDF export iainb - Java GUI for Libre-Office Based Android App(s) Marco Cecchetti - Enhanced Impress svg export filter Matúš Kukan - Telepathy for collaboration Rafael - New templates picking UI * configure.in options (Caolan/Lubos) + should configure auto-detect libs on system + pro: + makes it easier for new people to build + con: + problems with unexpected changes hurting packagers / release engineers. + requirement (Bjoern) + have a mode where explicit enable/disable states are hard-tested to avoid new & interesting bugs. an --[no]-auto-magic ideal + longer term issue of not enabling components we bundle by default. + already have an option to force using system libs have another one to force internal libs for everything (Petr) + default state prefers system libraries + many distros prefer system libraries already + desire to move to more -system packages for modern Linux / unix systems eg. zlib (Caolan) + icu updates can cause behavioural changes with the unicode std. so the internal version is recommended - bit of a mine-field. + this is not shown anywhere (Lubos!) + ergo should not default to system icu (Caolan) + at users' own risk. + always a grey zone of old vs. new versions (Stephan) + why not use distro-configs still (Norbert) + makes things worse + implement the auto-magic feature if enable by an option (Lubos) + without feature enabled - behaves as today + needs to be tested on 3x platforms and produce an identical config_host.mk vs. previous setup before merge. + beef up summary at end of configure safe/dangerous/not recommended etc. eg. ICU * stripping binaries or not (Petr) + don't strip solver, nor during make install + we have a make install-strip + which saves 80 megabytes in the system + RPM does this later automatically * Noel's nice repeated format re-work (Eike) + looks good, need another attribute in the style section of ODF AA: + propose a new attribute to the ODF/TC (Eike / Thorsten) * tinderboxen / status (Norbert) + bytemark - re-b
[libreoffice-projects] [michael.me...@suse.com: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...]
- Forwarded message from Michael Meeks - Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 16:11:18 +0100 From: Michael Meeks To: libreoffice-dev , Libreoffice-qa Subject: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ... X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.1 * Present: + David, Stephan, Thorsten, Andras, Markus, Caolan, Bjoern, Norbert, Fridrich, Michael S, Eike, Kohei, Tor, Petr, Kendy, Lionel, Lubos * Completed Action Items + review and re-close 3.4.x MAB fixed in 3.5.x (Rainer) + Apple Developer Enrollment (Thorsten) + switch doc encryption default back for 3.5 (Thorsten) + add a bold heading to GSOC page: LibreOffice is easy & fun to hack (Cedric) + update new file license template to MPLv2 (Michael) + mail the mailing list wrt. GSOC filing urgency (Fridrich) + help Ellie get mingw build going (Tor) + get bytemark access to Caolan (Norbert) + turn exception checking on for gcc in debug builds (Lubos) * Pending Action Items + [wedged on nbg admins] firewall issues for new linux tinderbox (Thorsten) + add encryption default UI option in 3.6 (Thorsten) + rename VCL API to make it GetBeamerFoo & fix (Michael) + poke RedHat security guy wrt. keys (Caolan) + [pending] pull up misc. internal versions for 3.6 (Fridrich) + started with pixman, poked cairo * Action Items review * Release Engineering update (Petr) + 3.5.3 rc1 - tagged yesterday to get late fixes + builds for Linux+Mac, Win32 in progress Mac-PPC slow as usual. + expected this evening / tomorrow morning + may be announced at the weekend. + new mirror synching improved / faster box. + final date for rc2 deadline mailed out on Monday * GSOC update (Fridrich) + 10 slots, and one cross-project conflict + all-night de-duplication meeting fun. * Hack-fest roundup / suggestions for the future (Thorsten) + summaries on the planet / Thorsten's blog + 90 commits from the hack-fest attendees + lots of new things started + http://blog.thebehrens.net/2012/04/16/libreoffice-hamburg-hackfest-2012/ + do it again soon + nice to have more of a focus, and do more outreach * Exporting redundant symbols for unit tests (Lubos) + change reverted re-shrinking symbol tables + slower, and 1Gb larger + expectation that build-system changes be announced (Moggi) * rtl / css namespace issues (Lubos/Michael) + should we have general 'using' statements ? + rtl::OUString is a bit of a pain + Lubos: + would like to use the short name everywhere, except for exported headers. + add a unit test for all exported headers. + Stephan + not eager to see it + but happy enough to see it go in + using css:: namespace instead ? + what is this css:: not friendly for new newcomers (Tor) + lo:: [!] - annoyances with aliases ... + replace css:: with nothing - bad (Stephan) + help get ready for lo4 + prefer to push back to LibO 3.6 and a bigger cleanup (Stephan) AA: + get headers to allow rtl:: namespace omitted in soon (Lubos) + but not do the big seds yet + concern wrt. the KDE4 experience & big bang changes (Lubos) + ie. fixing API changes now incrementally is a win + doing it sooner, not later is good of course (Stephan) + LibO 4.0 + planned to be incrementally developed / migrated anyway + postpone until license change done (Bjoern) + concerns about breaking all extensions at once (Norbert) + better to do incremental improvement ? + how much will we get done for this anyway ? + consider longer support cycle for LibO 3.6.x etc. + discuss late. * tinderboxen / status (Norbert) + bytemark machine #1 + Fridrich is setting up the fast win32 machine, aim to get v. fast debugging snapshots + bytemark machine #2 + working on *BSD in virtualbox with little joy help appreciated (Norbert) + need 3x BSD virtual-boxes (ideally) + Debian fixing bash-isms left & right due to dash (Lionel) * misc. font bits + Google ChromeOS fonts + based on a renamed Liberation + added some additional glyphs AA: + investigate (Caolan) + Ariel Narrow replacement / query AA: + do we ship Liberation Narrow (Bjoern) * QA update (Bjoern/Petr) + Rainer sends regrets + created bibisect screencast to help QA guys.
[libreoffice-projects] minutes for the LibreOffice QA call 2012-04-06 1400UTC
Hi all, here are the minutes for the LibreOffice QA call on: Friday, 2012-04-06 1400UTC attending: Rainer Bielefeld, Florian Reisinger, Petr Mladek, Jan Holesovsky (Kendy), Bjoern Michaelsen * pending action items - Update/Create active triagers wiki page (Cor/Rainer) - Publish Rainers charts'n data on blog/planets (Cor) AA poke infra to add Rainers Blog to planet (Bjoern) - collect further ideas for spending a dedicated resource (Cor/Rainer) -> blocked: to get a concise list need to make a CaseConductor/Litmus choice - Set Cor up with the Community/Forum maintainers at the distros to better propagate Hackfests, Bug Hunting Sessions etc. RedHat, Debian, Gentoo still missing - Walkthrough setup at Hackfest to find out what need better docs (Bjoern/Rainer) - Setting up a ready-to-go VirtualBox with everything installed would be cool (Bjoern/Korrawit?) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47648 - automated test docs: really straightforward for Calc, just needs more CSV test documents (all) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47667 Hackfest * completed action items - Check if test documents are URLs properly distributed to Checkbox (Bjoern) URLs are there, but they are not hyperlinked - Set Cor up with the Community/Forum maintainers at the distros Ubuntu: done, SUSE: done (Bjoern, Petr) * structured manual testing - tests are in checkbox - Call for Testing is out: http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2012/04/opportunity-manual-application-testing.html AA Blog about this refering to checkbox for Ubuntu and Litmus for others (Bjoern) - CaseConductor evaluation - Sophie Gaultier did some great research: - CaseConductor now called MozTrap, to raise confusion - would need more permissions/roles to investigate in Mozillas staging instance - Petr also had a look: - a bit confusing at first - but a lot nicer/modern than Litmus - might be easier if setup properly - our own instance probably the way to go as we need an admin for it in the end anyway - forward to infra to get a staging instance setup (Sophie/Bjoern) - Rainer: we need better documentation on the "why" of Litmus/MozTrap - wiki pages contain a lot of detailed information about the how, but little on the why - important topic to get started on the Hackfest - Kendy: Need for regular manual testing for update scenarios - in theory classical example case for Litmus/MozTrap - also still for 3.5 release series AA - write testcase in Litmus (Kendy) - given the limited current reach of Litmus, we might propagate in blogs too - we really need to make structured manual a lot more visible for 3.6 * bugwrangling - bugwrangling documentation (Florian) - current bug wrangling docs are to complex (Florian) - wiki docs are ad-hoc and it shows (Rainer) AA - good old plain document for bugwrangling beginners is in the works (Rainer/Florian) AA - discuss this along with other wiki cleanup at the Hackfest (Rainer/Bjoern) - get the documentation team involved maybe? (Rainer) - in the wiki rework also consider entry points from ask.libreoffice.org (Bjoern) - generic bug tagging - currently not a pressing issue (Rainer) - in general whiteboard status is good for this (Petr) - tagging in summary might cause trouble (Bjoern) (::rtl::OUString bugs vs. Right-To-Left bugs for example) - agreement that the 50 current RTL bugs are not that problematic yet - for the future we should prevent summary tagging to become a custom - also excessive summary tags cause trouble in bugmail (Petr) AA - bulk change remove EasyHack from summary, make that whiteboard tagging only (Rainer) - Florian setup a VirtualBox image for Linux regression testing - Ubuntu precise/12.04 - has LibreOffice 3.5.x and LibreOffice 3.4.x with Rainer parallel installation script AA - provide Florian with a LibreOffice 3.3 build for this - publishing VirtualBox somewere for broader audience (Bjoern) AA - needs webspace (Bjoern) - Florian cannot be at the Hackfest AA - meet up remotely (IRC/Skype), find time/date (Rainer/Bjoern) * automated testing - Regina Herschel and Markus Mohnhard will be at the Hackfest, looking forward for good progress there * bibisect for 3.5 release branch and 3.6 master AA - provide 3.5 release and 3.6 master bibisect updates * next call: Friday, 2012-04-20 14:00UTC Corrections and additions most welcome. I am most happily surprised by Florian showing up and also having an interesting project at hand! See most of you at the Hackfest in Hamburg! Best, Bjoern -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guide
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- Forwarded message from Michael Meeks - Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 17:46:55 +0100 From: Michael Meeks To: libreoffice-dev , Libreoffice-qa Subject: minutes of ESC call ... X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.1 Present: + Norbert, Andras, Markus, Michael, Will, Rainer, Bjoern, Stephan, Petr, Caolan, Fridrich, Cedric * Completed Action Items + Hamburg Hackfest + Hamburg Hack-fest mail the developers list (Bjoern) + Hamburg Hack-fest in topic of IRC channel (Bjoern) + annotate RTF bugs with 'rtf_filter' to break-down regressions (Cedric) + Official TDF blog item announcing GSOC required (Fridrich) * Pending Action Items + [well underway] review and re-close 3.4.x MAB fixed in 3.5.x (Rainer) + [ever-pending] extract 64bit build hardware from firewall (Kendy / Admins) + rename VCL API to make it GetBeamerFoo & fix (Michael) + cost and usefulness of exceptions proposal (Michael) + Hamburg Hackfest + blog some artwork for 'going to the LibreOffice hack-fest' (All) http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Hamburg2012 + TDF blog entry publicising the Hamburg hack-fest (Fridrich) + poke RedHat security chappy wrt. keys (Caolan) * Action Items review * Release Engineering update (Petr) + 3.5.2 status ... + Windows build for rc2 re-spinning & currently up-loading + Win32 downloads disabled until that's done + possibly delayed by mirror synching issues + following 2 weeks no release. + 3.4.6 retrospective ... + lots of fixes here from 3.5 re-using the reviews + no issues reported / little interest (?) + 3.6 - release plan ... + feature-freeze is two months away: June 4th + hack like crazies before then ! * GSOC update (Cedric) + 2-3 applications filed so far + some students getting stuck into easy hacks + perhaps a perception problem: + do people get scared of the scale ? AA: + add a bold heading: LibreOffice is easy & fun to hack (Cedric) + how can we make LibreOffice seem less scary now it's less sick ? + answers on a postcard * Collaboration Hack-fest update (Will Thompson) + various videos on-line eg. + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBsa212X2OE + over enthusiasm in media wrt. ship-ability etc. + telepathy improvements being fed-back to the core code + how far to completion ? (Norbert) + not that much work on the comms side (Will) + chunk of UI work needed (GSOC) + lots of model/view/controller splitting heavy lifting needed in calc (Michael) + hopefully much more incremental work + experimental feature for a while ... + how do we avoid getting out of sync generally ? + how much needs to be done before the number of things that de-sync becomes reasonably small ? + how much of a model/view separation is needed (Fridrich) + not needed as yet - as long as we can intercept model changes (Michael) + calc an easy start for referencing (Michael) + layout nodes have id's to nodes, could re-use those for writer / SwPaM ? (Cedric) + using undo/redo for calc is not ideal (Markus) + great chunks of data are stored, it's not conservative + same for writer (Cedric) + hopefully can use this logging to replace autosave too + save on a given log-size ... + undo/redo is abstracted behind the ScDocFunc interface + can expand undo/redo more. + can we look at / interoperate with other work in this area (Will?) + interesting ideas, real DOM vs. ODF * exception size stats (Caolan) + likes exceptions, but they are big + trade-off - bigger tables for smaller code ? + new constructors in 3.6 - work on string literals + shouldn't have to throw - small strings + not strings controlled by malicious input (Stephan) + we abort anyway in these cases AA: + drop exception specs from new string constructors (Lubos) + drop from Any / small object allocations as interested * memory / heap usage prodding (Caolan) + every static object construction - don't go adding thousands of these, not necessary and slows startup - also chews memory to clean them up. + much of heap is in configmgr + lots of maps ... + is the map problem - or sheer amount of data ? + change from previous to O
[libreoffice-projects] minutes of the LibreOffice QA call 2012-03-23 15:00UTC
Hi all, here are the minutes of the qa call on 2012-03-23 15:00 UTC: attendants: Cor, Rainer, Markus, Petr, Kendy, Bjoern * pending action items - Check if test documents are URLs properly distributed to Checkbox (Bjoern) - Update/Create active triagers wiki page (Cor/Rainer) - Publish Rainers charts'n data on blog/planets (Cor) - collect further ideas for spending a dedicated resource (Cor/Rainer) -> blocked: to get a concise list need to make a CaseConductor/Litmus choice - Set Cor up with the Community/Forum maintainers at the distros to better propagate Hackfests, Bug Hunting Sessions etc. (Petr, Caolan, others?) - Walkthrough setup at Hackfest to find out what need better docs (Bjoern/Rainer) - Setting up a ready-to-go VirtualBox with everything installed would be cool (Bjoern/Korrawit?) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47648 - automated test docs: really straightforward for Calc, just needs more CSV test documents (all) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47667 * completed action items - copypaste existing manual tests a one off for 3.5/Precise -> done by Nicholas Skaggs and Kaldor from the Ubuntu community. Kudos! - Provide Cor with suitable queries as possible with current means (Rainer) - Create some QA EasyHacks (Bjoern) http://sweetshark.livejournal.com/9491.html - Set Cor up with the Community/Forum maintainers at the distros to better propagate Hackfests, Bug Hunting Sessions etc. (Bjoern) * structured manual testing: (Yifan, Rimas, Bjoern) - Litmus to Checkbox done for 3.5 (Nicholas Skaggs) - we should also tap into the l10n testers, it might be worthwhile to get them into not only testing l10n but also functionality along the way (Cor) - OpenID for Litmus would be awesome - ... but Litmus EOL at Mozilla, however CaseConductor (the replacement) might not suit our needs/be an overkill AA - needs serious investigation if CaseConductor suits us or if its awesome for Mozilla but not for our usecase (Pedro) - Litmus proposal at: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-Litmus-a-proposal-td3845560.html (If we greenlight that, it spawns a lot of action items ;) ) - essentially means devs drop oneliners with affected area for commits along with review requests to the list (Bjoern) - Devs are already overcommited with their current tasks (Petr) - QA even more so given their current resources (Cor) - whatever form of communication/workflow we set up, we should trying it on the release branch first, becaus of commit volume (Bjoern) - this info really should be in the commit messages (Petr/Kendy?) - otherwise we should make it a custom for devs to CC the QA-list as we do with ux-advise, which works reasonably well (Petr) AA - propose proactive QA-list CCing on ESC (Bjoern) - as long as Litmus is not easily accessable this is pretty much in vain - alternative: Wiki or Blog instead of Litmus? - Blog, not Wiki (broader audiences) (Kendy?) AA - Blog regularly about affected areas with call for testing (Cor/Bjoern?) * bugwrangling (Rainer) - we are missing queries counting comments and not only reports (Cor) -> possible task - OpenID for bugzilla would be awesome - 3.4.6 release testing - few reports, but focus likely shifted to 3.5 (Rainer) AA - provide Cor with dl numbers so we can confirm this (Petr) - 3.5 status - good progress (Rainer) - more windows build would be good (Rainer) - new Prague tinderbox should solve that (Kendy?) - release plan discussion redux - skipped, conclusion on list discussion suggested to be no urgent need for "fixing" * community building/communication (Cor) - https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Easy_Hacks - some critic about the blunt invitation to join QA on the BSA (Rainer) - the QA wiki page not a good entry point (Rainer) (no concrete actionable tasks there) - we need competent QA, not just anyone (Rainer) - we should work on two levels, with different approaches: (Bjoern) - newcomers - good current contributors on bugzilla - maybe concentrate on exactly _one_ easy to communicate task for starters as landing page after BSA: bug confirmation (Bjoern) AA - create a newbie-friendly wiki-page just about bug confirmation (Rainer) - good current contributors should be motivated/encouraged AA - kindly ask them to introduce themselves on the QA-list or even blog about (both developer interview style) (Cor/Bjoern) AA - link to ask.libreoffice.org from get-help on the frontpage * automated calc testing (Markus) AA - provide some examples what scope a 'feature' is to get people an idea https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47667 (Markus) AA - invite a broad audience (and endusers) to provide testdocs there (all
[libreoffice-projects] Invitation to the LibreOffice Hackfest 2012 in Hamburg
Hi all, Let me take this opportunity to shamelessly plug the LibreOffice Hamburg Hackfest 2012. The city of Hamburg has throughout history taken its freedom and independence as a high treasure -- as can be seen from its motto: "Libertatem quam peperere maiores digne studeat servare posteritas". Thus it is a great place for an event of a project that takes freedom as serious as LibreOffice does. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Hamburg2012 As a proud local, I also decided to guide some sightseeing on Friday afternoon for people interested, so if you arrive early you might get to see some of the beautiful corners of Hamburg. After that we will meet up with everyone in the Schachcafe close to the Hackfest location for a beer event. Saturday and Sunday then will be two days of hacking, learning, teaching, connecting and implementing great ideas at the Attaktor, one of the homebases of the Chaos Computer Club, which has an interesting history starting with tales of international spionage during the cold war and much more (see Wikipedia and links on the Hackfest page). They have become older, wiser and tamer at least a bit since then, but still originate cool projects like Project Blinkenlights. Nerdshirt.de kindly sponsors us ten T-shirts for the participants. We just decided to give those to the first ten people, who added themselves to the participant list completely with their name and shirtsize(*). First come, first serve here as is with travel bursaries and couch surfing, which is kindly provided by some of the Hamburg Hackers. So please add yourself as a participant to the Hackfest at: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Hamburg2012 and add topics that you would like to discuss or work on -- we will try to find a mentor for you then. Looking forward to see you all in Hamburg! Bjoern (*) If you think this is some evil plot to get you to register early, you might be onto something, but please do not tell anybody! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] [michael.me...@suse.com: minutes of ESC call ...]
- Forwarded message from Michael Meeks - Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 16:10:34 + From: Michael Meeks To: libreoffice-dev Subject: minutes of ESC call ... X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.1 * Present: + Eike, Will, Michael, Norbert, Lionel, Kendy, Andras, Markus, Rainer, Cedric, Mitch, Caolan, Petr, Bjoern * Completed action items + Add GSOC tasks to the wiki: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Gsoc/Ideas + [ongoing, ETA today] multi-user / telepathy / co-editing (Eike) + better template translation (Andras) + doodle poll for new ESC meeting (Eike) + please fill out poll: http://moreganize.com/bgxbvmFxmDl (all) + respond in the gerrit bug fdo#44498 with some rational (Bjoern) + Norbert sorting it out with Tollef, agreed in principle * Pending Action Items + [ever-pending] extract 64bit build hardware from firewall (Kendy / Admins) + rename VCL API to make it GetBeamerFoo & fix (Michael) + [ongoing?] post results of exception analysis shortly (Michael) + [ongoing?] cost and usefulness of exceptions proposal (Michael) * Action Items review * Release Engineering update (Petr) + 3.5.1 retrospective / review + delayed by one week by misc. issues / build troubles + important fixes added too late post rc1, requiring an rc3 + these things happen - no change to overall scheduling + 3.5.2 status ... + rc1 is tagged / branched as libreoffice-3-5-2 + lots of bug fixes here. + tripple review required for -3-5-2 + 3.4.6 status + released today, fixes security bug and a number of other bits. * GSOC update (Cedric) + all (22) mentors named on the ideas page are registered + students coming slowly, more encouragement / press required + a number of private contacts to people + can we improve communciations AA: + Official TDF blog item announcing GSOC required (Fridrich) + students have until near April 5th to apply ~two weeks. * new Windows tinderbox (Norbert) + expensive new hardware, from-clean compile in around an hour + should be coming on line today + previous fastest time was ~4 hours + plans to work on ccache with windows (Norbert) + Mac - similar duration, but with a warm ccache ~15mins, so perhaps we can do better. * Hamburg HackFest update (Bjoern) + not so well publicised as all that AA: + Hamburg Hack-fest in topic of IRC channel (Bjoern) AA: + Hamburg Hack-fest mail the developers list (Bjoern) AA: + blog some artwork for 'going to the LibreOffice hack-fest' (All) http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Hamburg2012 AA: + TDF blog entry publicising the Hamburg hack-fest (Fridrich) + located at Chaos Computer Club's site + the birth-place of Chaos + an awesome place to get together + see you there ! + mail: hackf...@libreoffice.org with travel funding requests. * QA update (Rainer) + mostly business as usual + too few volunteers reviewing the incoming reports + users using the bugzilla assistant are often quite bad and need more review. + QA team call tomorrow + proposals to encourage good bug filers etc. + Bugzilla assistant + needs better introductory text, and fewer version etc. fields + more hackery much appreciated. + annotate RTF bugs with 'rtf_filter' to break-down regressions + ~20 of the writer regressions are RTF + community bits (Bjoern) * New ESC time (Eike) + 14:00 UTC until futher daylight adjustments ie. same localtime as before. * Security list update (Michael) + mozilla's bugzilla has security feature to hide bugs + just because Apache are being awkward doesn't mean we have to be too (Norbert) + leave it as it is now, and await real incidents (Petr) + officesecurity more attractive since it's easier (Bjoern) => no action for now * Collaboration hack-fest update (Eike) + great strides made, got connections & data forwarding + many thanks to Collabora's Will Thompson, hacking on things left & right. + splitting calc controller apart, looking forward to Matus' input. * Regressions + Cedric doing some digging - one 'regression' for an OpenOffice 2.0 feature, vs. 1.1 etc. not funny + doing a review, unclear what's going on * closing fixed bugs + about 1/2 of the calc regressions are already fixed in 3.5 + 3.4.x will get no more updates
[libreoffice-projects] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of LibreOffice QA call 2012-03-09 15:00 UTC
On Fri, Mar 09, 2012 at 06:42:45PM +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > AA- Create some QA EasyHacks (Bjoern) done. tag "TopicQA" added at: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Easy_Hacks_Bugzilla_Whiteboard_Status https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Easy_Hacks_by_Topic also created wikipage listing the QA-related EasyHacks at: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Easy_Hacks and linked to it from: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA s will need vicous blogging to raise visibility. Feel free to do so, I will do the same later. Best, Bjoern -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of LibreOffice QA call 2012-03-09 15:00 UTC
Hi, On Fri, Mar 09, 2012 at 06:42:45PM +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > AA- copypaste existing manual test as a one off for 3.5/Precise (Bjoern) > AA- Check if test documents are URLs properly distributed to Checkbox > (Bjoern) Just discussed this with Nicholas Skaggs, the deadline for this is Tuesday(*), so any help with this is welcome. Essentially all that needs to be done is copying of the testcase with a little decoration: http://paste.ubuntu.com/886661/ If you want to help out, Nicholas is around as balloons on IRC (freenode). I will jump in on Monday, if needed. Best, Bjoern (*) it sneaked itself there, it was originally assumed to be Friday -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of LibreOffice QA call 2012-03-09 15:00 UTC
On Fri, Mar 09, 2012 at 06:42:45PM +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > AA- Set Cor up with the Community/Forum maintainers at the distros > to better propagate Hackfests, Bug Hunting Sessions etc. > (Bjoern, Petr, Caolan, others?) Done (my part of it). Best, Bjoern -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call 2012-03-15 1500 UTC
Hi, here are the minutes for todays ESC call: attendees: Norbert, Eike, Rainer(?, seems to have dropped from the call), Kendy, Petr, Stephan, Lionell, Markus, Cedric, Caolan, Bjoern * Completed Action Items + Add GSOC tasks to the wiki: + fwd. Eike Svante's multi-user proposal (Thorsten) + layout / toolkit conversion task (Caolan) + bunch of ideas / slide-show re-work etc. (Thorsten) + take updated ESC composition to the board (Thorsten) * Pending Action Items + [still pending] extract 64bit build hardware from firewall (Kendy / Admins) + rename VCL API to make it GetBeamerFoo & fix (Michael) + [ongoing] respond in the gerrit bug fdo#44498 with some rational (Bjoern) + Add GSOC tasks to the wiki: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Gsoc/Ideas + [ongoing, ETA today] multi-user / telepathy / co-editing (Eike) + add graphical conditional formatting task (Kohei) + better template translation (Andras) + [ongoing?] post results of exception analysis shortly (Michael) + [ongoing?] cost and usefulness of exceptions proposal (Michael) * Action Items review + gerrit call minutes, please have a look (Bjoern) http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/minutes-of-gerrit-documentfoundation-org-call-2012-03-01-tc3813352.html * Release Engineering update (Petr) + 3.5.1 is out today, looking good + 3.5.2 code freeze on Monday + please provide patches RSN + reviewers greatly appreciated + 3.4.6 status + test build are available + on track for ~Wednesday + last 3.4 micro, it fits nicely that 3.5 is already in great shape * GSOC update (Cedric) + tomorrow candidates will learn about possible projects + please prettify task (code pointers etc.) + now is the time to get students involved + EasyHacks do _not_ have to be completed yet, but by application time + help possible students to get up to speed with build and EasyHacks * QA update (Rainer) + Rainer seems to have dropped from the call + still a short discussion on regressions and release plan + little optimism wrt to release plan changes being relevant to improve the regression situation, but open to concret proposals + there are three kinds of bugs: (Bjoern) + regression + bugs since the beginning of time + feature request + ... and bugs in new features (Lionell) + the last one is one we should have a closer look at + as for regressions, we should care about having them weighted by severity (Petr) => realistic data hygiene in bugzilla + first QA last Friday, please have a look at the minutes (Bjoern) http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/minutes-of-LibreOffice-QA-call-2012-03-09-15-00-UTC-tc3813349.html * ad-hoc topic: git submodules for non-core repos (Norbert) + sounds good to use a preexisting solution instead of homegrown tooling (Thorsten) + alternative: handle other repos like external libs/tarballs (like libwp*) + external lib solutions exist (oo.lst and friends) and is tested + binfilter is still updated quite regulary and would likely hurt by this (Stephan) + load/mirroring/latency issues with regular tarball updates (Petr) + so we really want submodules for binfilter and ext-lib for the rest, but without the duplicated work? (Bjoern) + another possibility would be to teach ./download to use "git archive" directly + still might cause quite some extra load + introduces explict git dependency in ./download, might or might not be an issue for packagers (Bjoern) * summer time, when will be the next call? (Norbert) + call is set in UTC and does not change without explicit notice (Bjoern) AA: + announce very loudly if the call changes slot in UTC timezone (Michael) + 17:00 local might be preferable to quite a few (Eike) AA: + is that 1700 CET or CEST? (1600UTC or 1500UTC) corrections and additions welcome. Best, Bjoern -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] minutes of gerrit.documentfoundation.org call 2012-03-01
- Forwarded message from Bjoern Michaelsen - Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 21:16:48 +0100 From: Bjoern Michaelsen To: Robert Einsle Cc: Norbert Thiebaud Subject: minutes of gerrit.documentfoundation.org call 2012-03-01 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) On Thu, Mar 01, 2012 at 07:36:30PM +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > Lets use this TDF room in 25 minutes: Hi there, minutes from my scribblings: present: Robert, Norbert, Bjoern topics: - gerrit is up and running - against postgresql AA - set-up back-up solution for postgresql (Robert, ETA next week) - bouncycastle ssh-server: is it secure? - google is using it, so it should have been audited (Norbert) - jenkins not yet installed - insecure in default install - doesnt matter for first setup, we are behind a firewall AA - we need the real ssl-certificate on that machine before it goes in production (Robert, ETA next week, but not time-critical) - nonstandard gerrit-port? (Robert) - not needed, we would need to publish it anyway - we are unlikely a target of drive-by attacks, we need to bother about dedicated attacks (and a published non-standard port doesnt help there) AA - clarify with Florian that Norbert gets an account on that box (Robert, ETA a few days) - provide Robert with a public key (Nobert, done during the call) AA - setup a staging core repo (Norbert) - blocks on Norbert getting an account - staging => developer sandbox, never synced back to fdo - clarify system logs readability for non-roots (Robert, Norbert) AA - drop HTTP auth to allow devs to play (Robert, done during the call) AA - document, script and streamline the new workflow for newcomers and grognards (Bjoern) AA - clarify with fdo admins how to handle the machine-with-fdo-key problem best (Norbert) AA - clarify how to get tinderboxes to get a synced state/evaluate submodules (later) - next call: maybe in a week, but email communication is easier for most things Please note, clarify, amend viciously. I will post to the dev list tomorrow if nobody objects. Best, Bjoern - End forwarded message - -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-projects] minutes of LibreOffice QA call 2012-03-09 15:00 UTC
Hi all, here are the minutes of the QA call 2012-03-09 15:00 UTC attendants: Cor, Ivan, Rainer, Markus, Michael, Korrawit, Petr, Kendy, Bjoern - structured manual testing: - getting testcases for 3.5 from Litmus to Checkbox - we currently have some ~50 testcases in Litmus -- it should be easy to just copypaste them as the time window is limited until Ubuntu 12.04 beta2 (Bjoern) AA- copypaste existing manual test as a one off for 3.5/Precise (Bjoern) AA- Check if test documents are URLs properly distributed to Checkbox (Bjoern) - find a good way to script sync testcases from Litmus to Checkbox and maybe even results back to Litmus TBD later: (maybe discuss when Nicholas Skaggs and Yifan Jiang are around) - bugwrangling - still too much old regressions (Rainer) - 60 (11 most annoying) from earlier releases - proposed mitgation: more viciously and realistically downgrade priority, we need to support Rainers decisions there - community building/communication: AA - Find and empower new active QA contributors (Cor) AA - Provide Cor with suitable queries (Rainer) - Note: We can currently only query for Reporters not commenters (Rainer) - Can we recognize bug triagers in the release notes along with the developer providing the fix for minor releases? (Bjoern) - Would need a up-to-date wikipage of active triagers (Petr) AA- Update/Create active triagers wiki page (Cor/Rainer) - Nice stats and graphs by Rainer need more visibility AA- Publish on blog/planets (Cor) AA- Create some QA EasyHacks (Bjoern) - We could spend some TDF money on a paid QA guy (Michael) - for example to get something like this implemented: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html AA- collect further ideas for spending such a resource (Cor/Rainer) - some of the QA EasyHacks might also be suitable (Bjoern) - perl is easy to integrate with Perl (Markus) - Can we learn from other opensource projects? AA- Set Cor up with the Community/Forum maintainers at the distros to better propagate Hackfests, Bug Hunting Sessions etc. (Bjoern, Petr, Caolan, others?) - Can we make bibisecting easier accessible? AA- Walkthrough setup at Hackfest to find out what need better docs (Bjoern/Rainer) - Setting up a ready-to-go VirtualBox with everything installed would be cool (Bjoern) AA - unsure from my notes: maybe Korrawit is interested in doing this? - automated testing (Markus) - http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Calc_Import_Unit_Tests AA - Really straightforward for Calc, just needs more CSV test documents (all) - in development for other apps Next call will be in two weeks on: Friday, 2012-03-23 15:00 UTC Accompanying IRC channel for the calls is #libreoffice on freenode. I tried my best to keep up with my notes, still all additions and corrections are most welcome. Best, Bjoern -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to projects+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
