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- Forwarded message from Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com - Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 12:14:18 +0100 From: Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com To: libreoffice-dev libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org, Libreoffice-qa libreoffice...@lists.freedesktop.org Subject: minutes of ESC call ... X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.3 * Completed Action Items + ping Tollef wrt. sysadmin work (Bjoern) + openID analysis suggests you still need to register [!?] + enable automatic help build / sync. on a cron-job (Kendy) + now a chron job * Pending Action Items + create a new AmbitiousHacks wiki page, based on GSOC page (Michael M) + issues to look into if we can + fdo#34548 - review Michael's patch (Thorsten) + getting to the bottom takes weeks. + fdo#55290 - master doesn't install on windows (dtardon) + potential fix in the bug. + fdo#55360 - mac specific text issue (Thorsten) + fdo#51023 - impress DD crasher - (Radek) + set updater to get 3.5.0/1 - 3.6.2 (Kendy) * Submodules (Norbert) + ready to pull the trigger on submodules + Norbert here to vent any anger + concerns wrt. tinderboxen needing latest tinbuild2 + still only pulls the modules you need + use the latest './g' to go back in time + no need for ./g if not using translation/help etc. + git / new workdir - unsure if it works + git 1.7.9 preferred, worked with git 1.7.4 + 1.7.9 stores submodules' .git inside top-level .git + read http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Submodules + really helps tinderboxes / gerrit pre-build magic / bisect etc. + only applies to master. + for non-core modules big rename to bring one dir-level up. + so git-am for bin-filter needs a manual sed first. + pushing submodules happened before minutes went live. * Meeting organisation / minuting + weekly calls ok ? + better than async mail. + do we really need the name roll-call (Caolan) + companion IRC channel as an idea ? + interleaves it with people coming in (Kendy) + action items - machine parseable (Bjoern) + status updates generated from the logs ? + http://status.ubuntu.com/ AI: + create script to parse Meeks minutes (Bjoern) * Release Engineering update (Fridrich) + vacation / quality report (deferred) + 3.5.7 status + rc2 should release during the conference + just a blog + announce + 3.6.3 rc1 status + released = staging on friday, mirrors @ weekend + Thorsten announced ? but people busy @ conf. + RelEng is a generally helpful section in the call. + gives useful up-coming deadline notice. * UI / design update (Astron) + icons for new conditional formats in cells + something to play with; more icon sets ? + (thanks to Astron) + consensus on fonts achieved + 3.3Mb uncompressed - 1.5Mb download https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Wishlists/Fonts + stripped un-necessary weights from opensans, sourcesans, etc. AI: + font bundling and gerrit fun with Astron (Andras) AI: + audit set of new / built-in fonts (Caolan) + still awaiting funky font downloading functionality + saxon removal to keep size static. + some funky toolbar hacking on the train (Kendy) * Uses for new hardware (Cedric) + some kind French sponsor will provide new machines + how can we best use them ? + creating VMs of LibreOffice / master for remote testing + several platforms, for wider less disruptive QA + log-in and have a play ... + getting a -big- bibisect setup here would be beautiful (Norbert) + share-able across multiple VM's ? + does it come with some admin ? (Kendy) + off-load the wiki / help.libreoffice.org build there. + what Hardware with what OS on it (Norbert) + unclear - bare metal etc. ? AI: + get more details connect (Norbert / Sophie) * QA update (Bjoern) + HardHack list moved to wiki - http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/HardHacks + no changes for this week + couple of hard-hacks fixed (thanks to Caolan) + bibisect interest increasing + how is morale around closing issues (Caolan) + bfoman doing a great job providing Win32 / stack-traces + lots of bug stuck in early stages, without good reproduction / descriptions + growing certainty wrt. the old / unconfirmed bug dung-out,
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- Forwarded message from Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com - Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:50:28 +0100 From: Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com To: libreoffice-dev libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org, Libreoffice-qa libreoffice...@lists.freedesktop.org Subject: minutes of ESC call ... X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.3 * Present: Norbert, Stephan, Eike, David T, Lionel, Markus, Kendy, Bjoern, Caolan, Andras, Michael M, Fridrich, Michael S, Rainer, Astron, Tibbylickle * Completed Action Items + fix CC-By-SA licensing requirements (Andras) + Mango icons - in gerrit pending review (Astron) AI: + reviewing action needed for 3-6-0 etc. (Michael, Caolan) * Pending Action Items + notify all committers when we have a nice simple, minimal statement of what is required for gerrit written (Bjoern) AI: + get list of freedesktop mails to Bjoern (Norbert) + check new templates are using auto-fitting functionality (Thorsten) + crediting: can we separate tempates in the credits page (Spaetz?) + quest for kind volunteer to update the website (Michael) * Release Engineering update (Fridrich) + 3.5.5 released, DVDs up-loaded yesterday etc. + 3.6.0 RC2 + build issues on windows but finally up-loaded this morning + synching to mirrors, announce expected tomorrow + branch created for libreoffice-3-6-0 + commits must be cherry-picked from 3-6 + after an additional two reviews (+1 for -3-6) + 3.5.6 RC1 - July 30th ish * 3.6.0 blocker bug check (Petr/Michael) + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=6hide_resolved=1 + Java runtime fix / cherry-pick + concerned that the fix is right ? we can't ship endless MSVC++ runtimes. + 3.5+ Mac a11y issue - Stephan Norbert hunting + working with 3.6 and it works well (Rainer) + most concern around base performance issues + integrated cache regression speedup before branch (Fridrich) + not a crash issue (Lionel) + we can release-note fix for 3.6.1 AI: + review updated license / dos (Caolan, Bjoern) + concern wrt. count of testers (Bjeorn) + universal / release snapshot unique IP numbers + B1 1200, B2 1200, B3 700, RC1 500 + B3: 55 Linux, 54 Mac, 584 Windows + plus Linux distro downloads in parallel AI: + check updater to push people through to upgrade RCs (Kendy) * GSOC update (Fridrich) + nine of ten students passed the midterm evaluation + lots of great work going on, and applied dedication * UI / design update (Astron) + icons already discussed AI: + another review for splash-screens (Michael) + about box background image pending + 'official' conference logo is pending needs decision * cppunit / build issues (Stephan/Moggi/Michael) + --disable-cve-tests - useful on windows wrt. anti-virus + slam-dunk / good idea, merge the patch. + indifferent about --disable-xmlsec + only intended for iOS / Android currently, should not be used on Linux. + configure should check fail if this option is set for non iOS / Android + --disable-cppunit is controversial + programmers are lazy, we want widespread unit test running coverage (Markus) + once needed to disable unit tests working on coretext (Norbert) + 'make build' already exists (Markus) + not widely publicised + disables all unit tests in the build + problem is it doesn't build an install-set + can run make cmd cmd=bin/ooinstall after that + Ubuntu disables tests during the build already, so make check runs them in a separate phase (Bjoern) + disabling unit tests generally seems a bad idea, each time unit tests break - turned out to be a regression (Fridrich) + potential unit test performance problems + potential slowdown for linux tinderbox build tests investigating it (Norbert) + seen some runaway unit tests / slowchecks, chasing it (Bjoern) + will continue to dedicate some small % of build-time running unit tests * MSI cross-compilation from Linux (Tibby) + been merged to master + java enabled / compilation issues + help with build process / location of uuidgen using undocumented parameters etc. AI: + help get tinderboxes building up-loading msis (Andras) * re-basing
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- Forwarded message from Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com - Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 17:46:55 +0100 From: Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com To: libreoffice-dev libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org, Libreoffice-qa libreoffice...@lists.freedesktop.org Subject: minutes of ESC call ... X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.1 Present: + Norbert, Andras, Markus, Michael, Will, Rainer, Bjoern, Stephan, Petr, Caolan, Fridrich, Cedric * Completed Action Items + Hamburg Hackfest + Hamburg Hack-fest mail the developers list (Bjoern) + Hamburg Hack-fest in topic of IRC channel (Bjoern) + annotate RTF bugs with 'rtf_filter' to break-down regressions (Cedric) + Official TDF blog item announcing GSOC required (Fridrich) * Pending Action Items + [well underway] review and re-close 3.4.x MAB fixed in 3.5.x (Rainer) + [ever-pending] extract 64bit build hardware from firewall (Kendy / Admins) + rename VCL API to make it GetBeamerFoo fix (Michael) + cost and usefulness of exceptions proposal (Michael) + Hamburg Hackfest + blog some artwork for 'going to the LibreOffice hack-fest' (All) http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Hamburg2012 + TDF blog entry publicising the Hamburg hack-fest (Fridrich) + poke RedHat security chappy wrt. keys (Caolan) * Action Items review * Release Engineering update (Petr) + 3.5.2 status ... + Windows build for rc2 re-spinning currently up-loading + Win32 downloads disabled until that's done + possibly delayed by mirror synching issues + following 2 weeks no release. + 3.4.6 retrospective ... + lots of fixes here from 3.5 re-using the reviews + no issues reported / little interest (?) + 3.6 - release plan ... + feature-freeze is two months away: June 4th + hack like crazies before then ! * GSOC update (Cedric) + 2-3 applications filed so far + some students getting stuck into easy hacks + perhaps a perception problem: + do people get scared of the scale ? AA: + add a bold heading: LibreOffice is easy fun to hack (Cedric) + how can we make LibreOffice seem less scary now it's less sick ? + answers on a postcard * Collaboration Hack-fest update (Will Thompson) + various videos on-line eg. + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBsa212X2OE + over enthusiasm in media wrt. ship-ability etc. + telepathy improvements being fed-back to the core code + how far to completion ? (Norbert) + not that much work on the comms side (Will) + chunk of UI work needed (GSOC) + lots of model/view/controller splitting heavy lifting needed in calc (Michael) + hopefully much more incremental work + experimental feature for a while ... + how do we avoid getting out of sync generally ? + how much needs to be done before the number of things that de-sync becomes reasonably small ? + how much of a model/view separation is needed (Fridrich) + not needed as yet - as long as we can intercept model changes (Michael) + calc an easy start for referencing (Michael) + layout nodes have id's to nodes, could re-use those for writer / SwPaM ? (Cedric) + using undo/redo for calc is not ideal (Markus) + great chunks of data are stored, it's not conservative + same for writer (Cedric) + hopefully can use this logging to replace autosave too + save on a given log-size ... + undo/redo is abstracted behind the ScDocFunc interface + can expand undo/redo more. + can we look at / interoperate with other work in this area (Will?) + interesting ideas, real DOM vs. ODF * exception size stats (Caolan) + likes exceptions, but they are big + trade-off - bigger tables for smaller code ? + new constructors in 3.6 - work on string literals + shouldn't have to throw - small strings + not strings controlled by malicious input (Stephan) + we abort anyway in these cases AA: + drop exception specs from new string constructors (Lubos) + drop from Any / small object allocations as interested * memory / heap usage prodding (Caolan) + every static object construction - don't go adding thousands of these, not necessary and slows startup - also chews memory to clean them up. + much of heap is in configmgr + lots of maps
