Re: Introducing the Knowledge Graph: things, not strings
Hi Dave, On 2012-05-17, at 16:56, David Wood wrote: Hi Steve, On May 17, 2012, at 11:18, Steve Harris wrote: On 2012-05-16, at 23:09, David Wood wrote: Still, Kingsley is right, too. We are certainly busier than we have ever been, with no clear end in sight. That's positive. It would feel much more positive if I thought we were trying to solve the right problems. It would be much easier to know if I knew what the right problems where though. The problems we are solving for our customers are: - Data sharing (sometimes for its own sake, such as governmental transparency) that avoids proprietary formats/licenses/products. - Enterprise application creation (using Linked Data to abstract away from proprietary storage technologies). - Enterprise application integration (using Linked Data to share application state). Those constitute the right problems for us because they address defined needs. 100% agreed, but I wasn't being at all clear in my meaning. My head was in a different space. I was thinking more of the way in which we're developing the semantic web technology stack as a community - I'm not sure we really have these goals in mind most of the time but, at least to me, they are the important problems we can solve with these technologies. - Steve Regards, Dave -- David Wood, Ph.D. 3 Round Stones http://3roundstones.com - Steve -- Steve Harris, CTO Garlik, a part of Experian 1-3 Halford Road, Richmond, TW10 6AW, UK +44 20 8439 8203 http://www.garlik.com/ Registered in England and Wales 653331 VAT # 887 1335 93 Registered office: Landmark House, Experian Way, Nottingham, Notts, NG80 1ZZ -- Steve Harris, CTO Garlik, a part of Experian 1-3 Halford Road, Richmond, TW10 6AW, UK +44 20 8439 8203 http://www.garlik.com/ Registered in England and Wales 653331 VAT # 887 1335 93 Registered office: Landmark House, Experian Way, Nottingham, Notts, NG80 1ZZ
Re: Introducing the Knowledge Graph: things, not strings
+1 +1 On 18 May 2012, at 13:18, Steve Harris wrote: Hi Dave, On 2012-05-17, at 16:56, David Wood wrote: Hi Steve, On May 17, 2012, at 11:18, Steve Harris wrote: On 2012-05-16, at 23:09, David Wood wrote: Still, Kingsley is right, too. We are certainly busier than we have ever been, with no clear end in sight. That's positive. It would feel much more positive if I thought we were trying to solve the right problems. It would be much easier to know if I knew what the right problems where though. The problems we are solving for our customers are: - Data sharing (sometimes for its own sake, such as governmental transparency) that avoids proprietary formats/licenses/products. - Enterprise application creation (using Linked Data to abstract away from proprietary storage technologies). - Enterprise application integration (using Linked Data to share application state). Those constitute the right problems for us because they address defined needs. 100% agreed, but I wasn't being at all clear in my meaning. My head was in a different space. I was thinking more of the way in which we're developing the semantic web technology stack as a community - I'm not sure we really have these goals in mind most of the time but, at least to me, they are the important problems we can solve with these technologies. - Steve Regards, Dave -- David Wood, Ph.D. 3 Round Stones http://3roundstones.com - Steve -- Steve Harris, CTO Garlik, a part of Experian 1-3 Halford Road, Richmond, TW10 6AW, UK +44 20 8439 8203 http://www.garlik.com/ Registered in England and Wales 653331 VAT # 887 1335 93 Registered office: Landmark House, Experian Way, Nottingham, Notts, NG80 1ZZ -- Steve Harris, CTO Garlik, a part of Experian 1-3 Halford Road, Richmond, TW10 6AW, UK +44 20 8439 8203 http://www.garlik.com/ Registered in England and Wales 653331 VAT # 887 1335 93 Registered office: Landmark House, Experian Way, Nottingham, Notts, NG80 1ZZ -- Hugh Glaser, Web and Internet Science Electronics and Computer Science, University of Southampton, Southampton SO17 1BJ Work: +44 23 8059 3670, Fax: +44 23 8059 3045 Mobile: +44 75 9533 4155 , Home: +44 23 8061 5652 http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~hg/
Re: Introducing the Knowledge Graph: things, not strings
Hello Bernard, I really hope they have delivered something people (outside this community) will find useful. Otherwise you will perhaps be happy that they tried to take all the credit. As you said, it's not completely news and the expectations are great. Regards, Michael Brunnbauer On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:40:29AM +0200, Bernard Vatant wrote: ... To put it in a longer way. Yes this is great news, although it's not completely news, we had quite a few hints of it by Google in the past months. But what is just unfair is Google presenting this as if they had invented it. Apart from a quick allusion to DBpedia and Freebase, no mention of the collective and converging efforts of so many libraries, museums, governments, research centers, standard bodies, associations and institutions, thousands of wikipedians, topic mappers, classifiers, documentalists ... (apologies to those I forget, too many of them) ... who have dedicated countless days and nights to build structured data and put them on the Web. For those who do not know this background story, Google will show off as the Only One able to organize and make sense of the messy Web. I wish they were able to acknowledge at least that they are leveraging all this work. Neither have they built the core data, nor invented the underlying concepts. They just bring more power and visibility. Bernard 2012/5/17 David Wood da...@3roundstones.com On May 16, 2012, at 17:45, Bernard Vatant wrote: Thanks to all who had this ground ploughed and sown patiently since those dark ages where Google was all but an idea. Now the grain is ripe and it's a great time for them to harvest ... hope we are left with some crumbs to pick up as a reward of our efforts :) Hmm, yes. Will SemWeb researchers feel about Google's Knowledge Graph the way hypertext researchers feel about the Web? I hope not. Still, Kingsley is right, too. We are certainly busier than we have ever been, with no clear end in sight. That's positive. Regards, Dave Bernard 2012/5/16 Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com On 5/16/12 4:02 PM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: Big thumbs up (at least in principle) from google on linked data http://googleblog.blogspot.de/**2012/05/introducing-knowledge-** graph-things-not.htmlhttp://googleblog.blogspot.de/2012/05/introducing-knowledge-graph-things-not.html +1000... It's getting real interesting. Google and Facebook as massive Linked Data Spaces, awesome! -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Founder CEO OpenLink Software Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/**blog/~kidehenhttp://www.openlinksw.com/blog/%7Ekidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/**112399767740508618350/abouthttps://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/**kidehenhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen -- *Bernard Vatant * Vocabularies Data Engineering Tel : + 33 (0)9 71 48 84 59 Skype : bernard.vatant Linked Open Vocabularies http://labs.mondeca.com/dataset/lov *Mondeca** ** * 3 cité Nollez 75018 Paris, France www.mondeca.com Follow us on Twitter : @mondecanews http://twitter.com/#%21/mondecanews -- *Bernard Vatant * Vocabularies Data Engineering Tel : + 33 (0)9 71 48 84 59 Skype : bernard.vatant Linked Open Vocabularies http://labs.mondeca.com/dataset/lov *Mondeca** ** * 3 cité Nollez 75018 Paris, France www.mondeca.com Follow us on Twitter : @mondecanews http://twitter.com/#%21/mondecanews -- ++ Michael Brunnbauer ++ netEstate GmbH ++ Geisenhausener Straße 11a ++ 81379 München ++ Tel +49 89 32 19 77 80 ++ Fax +49 89 32 19 77 89 ++ E-Mail bru...@netestate.de ++ http://www.netestate.de/ ++ ++ Sitz: München, HRB Nr.142452 (Handelsregister B München) ++ USt-IdNr. DE221033342 ++ Geschäftsführer: Michael Brunnbauer, Franz Brunnbauer ++ Prokurist: Dipl. Kfm. (Univ.) Markus Hendel
Re: Introducing the Knowledge Graph: things, not strings
On 16/05/2012 23:55, Bernard Vatant wrote: Kingsley says they have Freebase, yes but Freebase stores only 22 million entities according to their own stats, which makes less than 5% of the overall figure, since Google claims 500 million nodes in the Knowledge Graph, and growing. So I guess they have also DBpedia and VIAF and Geonames and you name it ... whatever open and structured they can put their hands on. Linked data stuff whatever the format. Hmmm, don't forget this claim from the same SVP earlier (thanks to Dan Brickley for pointing it out privately when the new story hit... via the Daily Mail!... a few days ago): In 2010, we acquired Freebase, an open-source knowledge graph, and in the time since we've grown it from 12 million interconnected entities and attributes to over 200 million. https://plus.google.com/115744399689614835150/posts/3vLRVL7C4QS I'm not so sure that the Knowledge Graph (tm) (keep out) (trespassers will be prosecuted) is so different from Freebase (yes, plus Geonames, etc.) Barry
Re: Introducing the Knowledge Graph: things, not strings
On 5/17/12 10:06 AM, Barry Norton wrote: On 16/05/2012 23:55, Bernard Vatant wrote: Kingsley says they have Freebase, yes but Freebase stores only 22 million entities according to their own stats, which makes less than 5% of the overall figure, since Google claims 500 million nodes in the Knowledge Graph, and growing. So I guess they have also DBpedia and VIAF and Geonames and you name it ... whatever open and structured they can put their hands on. Linked data stuff whatever the format. Hmmm, don't forget this claim from the same SVP earlier (thanks to Dan Brickley for pointing it out privately when the new story hit... via the Daily Mail!... a few days ago): In 2010, we acquired Freebase, an open-source knowledge graph, and in the time since we've grown it from 12 million interconnected entities and attributes to over 200 million. https://plus.google.com/115744399689614835150/posts/3vLRVL7C4QS I'm not so sure that the Knowledge Graph (tm) (keep out) (trespassers will be prosecuted) is so different from Freebase (yes, plus Geonames, etc.) Barry Yes, that plus many other LOD cloud data sources. As a data farmer, its quite easy to know who comes by the farm etc.. Google has been visiting actively since the inception of DBpedia, LOD etc.. It's a webby game of chess :-) -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Founder CEO OpenLink Software Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Introducing the Knowledge Graph: things, not strings
On 2012-05-16, at 23:09, David Wood wrote: On May 16, 2012, at 17:45, Bernard Vatant wrote: Thanks to all who had this ground ploughed and sown patiently since those dark ages where Google was all but an idea. Now the grain is ripe and it's a great time for them to harvest ... hope we are left with some crumbs to pick up as a reward of our efforts :) Hmm, yes. Will SemWeb researchers feel about Google's Knowledge Graph the way hypertext researchers feel about the Web? I hope not. Well… I was a Hypertext researcher when the web was taking off, but I don't feel the way you mean… some of us are inveterate bandwagon hoppers I guess ;) I acclimatised to the world of 404 errors, and inline static links with relative ease - ultimately I recognised that some of the core ideas of Hypertext (capital H) were, put simply, wrong. At the very least the significance of some of the perceived problems was hugely overstated. FWIW I don't /think/ Google Knowledge Graph has any particular implications for the Semantic Web, it's largely orthogonal. I'd like to be wrong though. As far as I can it's neither consuming, nor producing RDF, so I just don't she why it matters in that respect. But interesting, and hopefully useful. Still, Kingsley is right, too. We are certainly busier than we have ever been, with no clear end in sight. That's positive. It would feel much more positive if I thought we were trying to solve the right problems. It would be much easier to know if I knew what the right problems where though. - Steve -- Steve Harris, CTO Garlik, a part of Experian 1-3 Halford Road, Richmond, TW10 6AW, UK +44 20 8439 8203 http://www.garlik.com/ Registered in England and Wales 653331 VAT # 887 1335 93 Registered office: Landmark House, Experian Way, Nottingham, Notts, NG80 1ZZ
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On 2012-05-17, at 00:04, Kingsley Idehen wrote: On 5/16/12 6:55 PM, Bernard Vatant wrote: Adrian Don't dream of accessing the Google Knowledge Graph and query it through a SPARQL endpoint as you do for DBpedia. As every Google critical technological infrastructure, I'm afraid it will be well hidden under the hood, and accessible only through the search interface. If they ever expose the Graph objects through an API as they do for Gmaps, now THAT would be really great news. Kingsley says they have Freebase, yes but Freebase stores only 22 million entities according to their own stats, which makes less than 5% of the overall figure, since Google claims 500 million nodes in the Knowledge Graph, and growing. So I guess they have also DBpedia and VIAF and Geonames and you name it ... whatever open and structured they can put their hands on. Linked data stuff whatever the format. Bernard And it will be query accessible, this is something that's inevitable and unavoidable. This is the Web. I doubt it. Google don't even allow API access to their search engine. I can still remember the days when they were a search company ;) For them it's all about staying ahead of the competition so they can get more eyeballs on google ads, and more tracking data - interactions with humans basically - providing APIs to their graph data doesn't help that aim. Doesn't mean they won't do it, but I don't think there's any reason for them to. - Steve -- Steve Harris, CTO Garlik, a part of Experian 1-3 Halford Road, Richmond, TW10 6AW, UK +44 20 8439 8203 http://www.garlik.com/ Registered in England and Wales 653331 VAT # 887 1335 93 Registered office: Landmark House, Experian Way, Nottingham, Notts, NG80 1ZZ
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On May 17, 2012, at 12:22 - 17/05/12, Steve Harris wrote: And it will be query accessible, this is something that's inevitable and unavoidable. This is the Web. I doubt it. Google don't even allow API access to their search engine. I can still remember the days when they were a search company ;) For them it's all about staying ahead of the competition so they can get more eyeballs on google ads, and more tracking data - interactions with humans basically - providing APIs to their graph data doesn't help that aim. Doesn't mean they won't do it, but I don't think there's any reason for them to. Unfortunately, I tend to agree with you... Cheer D
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On 5/17/12 11:18 AM, Steve Harris wrote: Still, Kingsley is right, too. We are certainly busier than we have ever been, with no clear end in sight. That's positive. It would feel much more positive if I thought we were trying to solve the right problems. It would be much easier to know if I knew what the right problems where though. - Steve InterWeb scale access to structured data where each data object is a resource endowed with a de-referencable URI that serves as an unambiguous Name while also resolving to structured data (content) in the form of an EAV/RDF model graph. That's my basic acid test re. this endeavor. -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Founder CEO OpenLink Software Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
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On 5/17/12 11:22 AM, Steve Harris wrote: On 2012-05-17, at 00:04, Kingsley Idehen wrote: On 5/16/12 6:55 PM, Bernard Vatant wrote: Adrian Don't dream of accessing the Google Knowledge Graph and query it through a SPARQL endpoint as you do for DBpedia. As every Google critical technological infrastructure, I'm afraid it will be well hidden under the hood, and accessible only through the search interface. If they ever expose the Graph objects through an API as they do for Gmaps, now THAT would be really great news. Kingsley says they have Freebase, yes but Freebase stores only 22 million entities according to their own stats, which makes less than 5% of the overall figure, since Google claims 500 million nodes in the Knowledge Graph, and growing. So I guess they have also DBpedia and VIAF and Geonames and you name it ... whatever open and structured they can put their hands on. Linked data stuff whatever the format. Bernard And it will be query accessible, this is something that's inevitable and unavoidable. This is the Web. I doubt it. Google don't even allow API access to their search engine. I can still remember the days when they were a search company ;) For them it's all about staying ahead of the competition so they can get more eyeballs on google ads, and more tracking data - interactions with humans basically - providing APIs to their graph data doesn't help that aim. Doesn't mean they won't do it, but I don't think there's any reason for them to. They will do it, because they have no choice. Of course, they might not unveil this first time around. Eventually, the effects of opportunity costs on their business model will kick in etc.. :-) - Steve -- Steve Harris, CTO Garlik, a part of Experian 1-3 Halford Road, Richmond, TW10 6AW, UK +44 20 8439 8203 http://www.garlik.com/ Registered in England and Wales 653331 VAT # 887 1335 93 Registered office: Landmark House, Experian Way, Nottingham, Notts, NG80 1ZZ -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Founder CEO OpenLink Software Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
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On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 11:36 PM, Barry Norton barry.nor...@ontotext.comwrote: On 16/05/2012 23:55, Bernard Vatant wrote: Kingsley says they have Freebase, yes but Freebase stores only 22 million entities according to their own stats, which makes less than 5% of the overall figure, since Google claims 500 million nodes in the Knowledge Graph, and growing. So I guess they have also DBpedia and VIAF and Geonames and you name it ... whatever open and structured they can put their hands on. Linked data stuff whatever the format. Hmmm, don't forget this claim from the same SVP earlier (thanks to Dan Brickley for pointing it out privately when the new story hit... via the Daily Mail!... a few days ago): In 2010, we acquired Freebase, an open-source knowledge graph, and in the time since we've grown it from 12 million interconnected entities and attributes to over 200 million. https://plus.google.com/**115744399689614835150/posts/**3vLRVL7C4QShttps://plus.google.com/115744399689614835150/posts/3vLRVL7C4QS I'm not so sure that the Knowledge Graph (tm) (keep out) (trespassers will be prosecuted) is so different from Freebase (yes, plus Geonames, etc.) I think it's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lCSDOuqv1A which touches on Freebase vs Google Search. Basically, Freebase is good but doesn't scale for raw data acquisition; so it was implied that google's search team was looking at ways to extract and classify objects or information patterns to ingest data to freebase-like types at a web scale.
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On 5/16/12 4:02 PM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: Big thumbs up (at least in principle) from google on linked data http://googleblog.blogspot.de/2012/05/introducing-knowledge-graph-things-not.html +1000... It's getting real interesting. Google and Facebook as massive Linked Data Spaces, awesome! -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Founder CEO OpenLink Software Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
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On 5/16/12 5:45 PM, Bernard Vatant wrote: Thanks to all who had this ground ploughed and sown patiently since those dark ages where Google was all but an idea. Now the grain is ripe and it's a great time for them to harvest ... hope we are left with some crumbs to pick up as a reward of our efforts :) The rewards remain eternally plentiful. That's the inherent nature of the Web :-) Kingsley Bernard 2012/5/16 Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com mailto:kide...@openlinksw.com On 5/16/12 4:02 PM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: Big thumbs up (at least in principle) from google on linked data http://googleblog.blogspot.de/2012/05/introducing-knowledge-graph-things-not.html +1000... It's getting real interesting. Google and Facebook as massive Linked Data Spaces, awesome! -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Founder CEO OpenLink Software Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/%7Ekidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen -- *Bernard Vatant * Vocabularies Data Engineering Tel : + 33 (0)9 71 48 84 59 Skype : bernard.vatant Linked Open Vocabularies http://labs.mondeca.com/dataset/lov *Mondeca* 3 cité Nollez 75018 Paris, France www.mondeca.com http://www.mondeca.com/ Follow us on Twitter : @mondecanews http://twitter.com/#%21/mondecanews -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Founder CEO OpenLink Software Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
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On May 16, 2012, at 17:45, Bernard Vatant wrote: Thanks to all who had this ground ploughed and sown patiently since those dark ages where Google was all but an idea. Now the grain is ripe and it's a great time for them to harvest ... hope we are left with some crumbs to pick up as a reward of our efforts :) Hmm, yes. Will SemWeb researchers feel about Google's Knowledge Graph the way hypertext researchers feel about the Web? I hope not. Still, Kingsley is right, too. We are certainly busier than we have ever been, with no clear end in sight. That's positive. Regards, Dave Bernard 2012/5/16 Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com On 5/16/12 4:02 PM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: Big thumbs up (at least in principle) from google on linked data http://googleblog.blogspot.de/2012/05/introducing-knowledge-graph-things-not.html +1000... It's getting real interesting. Google and Facebook as massive Linked Data Spaces, awesome! -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Founder CEO OpenLink Software Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen -- Bernard Vatant Vocabularies Data Engineering Tel : + 33 (0)9 71 48 84 59 Skype : bernard.vatant Linked Open Vocabularies Mondeca 3 cité Nollez 75018 Paris, France www.mondeca.com Follow us on Twitter : @mondecanews
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Hi All, Nice videos etc, but has anyone found a link to actually *use* Knowledge Graph ? If it's not online yet, one wonders why Google chose to pre-announce it. Thanks, -- Adrian Internet Business Logic A Wiki and SOA Endpoint for Executable Open Vocabulary English Q/A over SQL and RDF Online at www.reengineeringllc.com Shared use is free, and there are no advertisements Adrian Walker Reengineering On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.comwrote: On 5/16/12 4:02 PM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: Big thumbs up (at least in principle) from google on linked data http://googleblog.blogspot.de/**2012/05/introducing-knowledge-** graph-things-not.htmlhttp://googleblog.blogspot.de/2012/05/introducing-knowledge-graph-things-not.html +1000... It's getting real interesting. Google and Facebook as massive Linked Data Spaces, awesome! -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Founder CEO OpenLink Software Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/**blog/~kidehenhttp://www.openlinksw.com/blog/%7Ekidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/**112399767740508618350/abouthttps://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/**kidehenhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
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On 5/16/12 6:25 PM, Adrian Walker wrote: Hi All, Nice videos etc, but has anyone found a link to actually *use* Knowledge Graph ? If it's not online yet, one wonders why Google chose to pre-announce it. Thanks, -- Adrian Cos Linked Data changes behavior :-) This is a fascinating game of webby chess! Remember, they own Freebase. Kingsley Internet Business Logic A Wiki and SOA Endpoint for Executable Open Vocabulary English Q/A over SQL and RDF Online at www.reengineeringllc.com http://www.reengineeringllc.com Shared use is free, and there are no advertisements Adrian Walker Reengineering On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com mailto:kide...@openlinksw.com wrote: On 5/16/12 4:02 PM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: Big thumbs up (at least in principle) from google on linked data http://googleblog.blogspot.de/2012/05/introducing-knowledge-graph-things-not.html +1000... It's getting real interesting. Google and Facebook as massive Linked Data Spaces, awesome! -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Founder CEO OpenLink Software Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/%7Ekidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Founder CEO OpenLink Software Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
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Good news for all of us in the semantic web community. Just wondering why Google is reluctant to use 'semantic' word even once in the blog. - Amit From: Kingsley Idehen [kide...@openlinksw.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 6:32 PM To: public-lod@w3.org Subject: Re: Introducing the Knowledge Graph: things, not strings On 5/16/12 6:25 PM, Adrian Walker wrote: Hi All, Nice videos etc, but has anyone found a link to actually *use* Knowledge Graph ? If it's not online yet, one wonders why Google chose to pre-announce it. Thanks, -- Adrian Cos Linked Data changes behavior :-) This is a fascinating game of webby chess! Remember, they own Freebase. Kingsley Internet Business Logic A Wiki and SOA Endpoint for Executable Open Vocabulary English Q/A over SQL and RDF Online at www.reengineeringllc.comhttp://www.reengineeringllc.com Shared use is free, and there are no advertisements Adrian Walker Reengineering On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.commailto:kide...@openlinksw.com wrote: On 5/16/12 4:02 PM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: Big thumbs up (at least in principle) from google on linked data http://googleblog.blogspot.de/2012/05/introducing-knowledge-graph-things-not.html +1000... It's getting real interesting. Google and Facebook as massive Linked Data Spaces, awesome! -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Founder CEO OpenLink Software Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehenhttp://www.openlinksw.com/blog/%7Ekidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Founder CEO OpenLink Software Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
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... To put it in a longer way. Yes this is great news, although it's not completely news, we had quite a few hints of it by Google in the past months. But what is just unfair is Google presenting this as if they had invented it. Apart from a quick allusion to DBpedia and Freebase, no mention of the collective and converging efforts of so many libraries, museums, governments, research centers, standard bodies, associations and institutions, thousands of wikipedians, topic mappers, classifiers, documentalists ... (apologies to those I forget, too many of them) ... who have dedicated countless days and nights to build structured data and put them on the Web. For those who do not know this background story, Google will show off as the Only One able to organize and make sense of the messy Web. I wish they were able to acknowledge at least that they are leveraging all this work. Neither have they built the core data, nor invented the underlying concepts. They just bring more power and visibility. Bernard 2012/5/17 David Wood da...@3roundstones.com On May 16, 2012, at 17:45, Bernard Vatant wrote: Thanks to all who had this ground ploughed and sown patiently since those dark ages where Google was all but an idea. Now the grain is ripe and it's a great time for them to harvest ... hope we are left with some crumbs to pick up as a reward of our efforts :) Hmm, yes. Will SemWeb researchers feel about Google's Knowledge Graph the way hypertext researchers feel about the Web? I hope not. Still, Kingsley is right, too. We are certainly busier than we have ever been, with no clear end in sight. That's positive. Regards, Dave Bernard 2012/5/16 Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com On 5/16/12 4:02 PM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: Big thumbs up (at least in principle) from google on linked data http://googleblog.blogspot.de/**2012/05/introducing-knowledge-** graph-things-not.htmlhttp://googleblog.blogspot.de/2012/05/introducing-knowledge-graph-things-not.html +1000... It's getting real interesting. Google and Facebook as massive Linked Data Spaces, awesome! -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Founder CEO OpenLink Software Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/**blog/~kidehenhttp://www.openlinksw.com/blog/%7Ekidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/**112399767740508618350/abouthttps://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/**kidehenhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen -- *Bernard Vatant * Vocabularies Data Engineering Tel : + 33 (0)9 71 48 84 59 Skype : bernard.vatant Linked Open Vocabularies http://labs.mondeca.com/dataset/lov *Mondeca** ** * 3 cité Nollez 75018 Paris, France www.mondeca.com Follow us on Twitter : @mondecanews http://twitter.com/#%21/mondecanews -- *Bernard Vatant * Vocabularies Data Engineering Tel : + 33 (0)9 71 48 84 59 Skype : bernard.vatant Linked Open Vocabularies http://labs.mondeca.com/dataset/lov *Mondeca** ** * 3 cité Nollez 75018 Paris, France www.mondeca.com Follow us on Twitter : @mondecanews http://twitter.com/#%21/mondecanews
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On 5/16/12 6:33 PM, Amit Krishna Joshi wrote: Good news for all of us in the semantic web community. Just wondering why Google is reluctant to use 'semantic' word even once in the blog http://googleblog.blogspot.de/2012/05/introducing-knowledge-graph-things-not.html. As they say: its Things for Strings. Basically, labels don't matter. Identifiers (URIs) are sacrosanct :-) The Semantic Web is a literal moniker, its essence exists in the relational property graph that manifests its real description or formal definition. Same applies to Giant Global Graph etc.. Now thanks to DBpedia and the rest of the LOD cloud collective, we have URIs and associated Linked Data oriented content for these concepts: 1. http://dbpedia.org/resource/Semantic_Web - Semantic Web 2. http://dbpedia.org/resource/Giant_Global_Graph -- Giant Global Graph 3. http://dbpedia.org/resource/Linked_Data -- Linked Data 4. http://dbpedia.org/resource/World_Wide_Web -- Web . And thanks to Entity Relations SPARQL we can do stuff like this: http://dbpedia.org/describe/?uri=http://dbpedia.org/resource/Giant_Global_Graph . Labels don't matter anymore, it now boils down to the content (*character*) of those resources bearing Linked Data graphs :-) Kingsley - Amit On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com mailto:kide...@openlinksw.com wrote: On 5/16/12 5:45 PM, Bernard Vatant wrote: Thanks to all who had this ground ploughed and sown patiently since those dark ages where Google was all but an idea. Now the grain is ripe and it's a great time for them to harvest ... hope we are left with some crumbs to pick up as a reward of our efforts :) The rewards remain eternally plentiful. That's the inherent nature of the Web :-) Kingsley Bernard 2012/5/16 Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com mailto:kide...@openlinksw.com On 5/16/12 4:02 PM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: Big thumbs up (at least in principle) from google on linked data http://googleblog.blogspot.de/2012/05/introducing-knowledge-graph-things-not.html +1000... It's getting real interesting. Google and Facebook as massive Linked Data Spaces, awesome! -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Founder CEO OpenLink Software Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/%7Ekidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen -- *Bernard Vatant * Vocabularies Data Engineering Tel : + 33 (0)9 71 48 84 59 Skype : bernard.vatant Linked Open Vocabularies http://labs.mondeca.com/dataset/lov *Mondeca* 3 cité Nollez 75018 Paris, France www.mondeca.com http://www.mondeca.com/ Follow us on Twitter : @mondecanews http://twitter.com/#%21/mondecanews -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Founder CEO OpenLink Software Company Web:http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/%7Ekidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Founder CEO OpenLink Software Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
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Adrian Don't dream of accessing the Google Knowledge Graph and query it through a SPARQL endpoint as you do for DBpedia. As every Google critical technological infrastructure, I'm afraid it will be well hidden under the hood, and accessible only through the search interface. If they ever expose the Graph objects through an API as they do for Gmaps, now THAT would be really great news. Kingsley says they have Freebase, yes but Freebase stores only 22 million entities according to their own stats, which makes less than 5% of the overall figure, since Google claims 500 million nodes in the Knowledge Graph, and growing. So I guess they have also DBpedia and VIAF and Geonames and you name it ... whatever open and structured they can put their hands on. Linked data stuff whatever the format. Bernard 2012/5/17 Adrian Walker adriandwal...@gmail.com Hi All, Nice videos etc, but has anyone found a link to actually *use* Knowledge Graph ? If it's not online yet, one wonders why Google chose to pre-announce it. Thanks, -- Adrian Internet Business Logic A Wiki and SOA Endpoint for Executable Open Vocabulary English Q/A over SQL and RDF Online at www.reengineeringllc.com Shared use is free, and there are no advertisements Adrian Walker Reengineering On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.comwrote: On 5/16/12 4:02 PM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: Big thumbs up (at least in principle) from google on linked data http://googleblog.blogspot.de/**2012/05/introducing-knowledge-** graph-things-not.htmlhttp://googleblog.blogspot.de/2012/05/introducing-knowledge-graph-things-not.html +1000... It's getting real interesting. Google and Facebook as massive Linked Data Spaces, awesome! -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Founder CEO OpenLink Software Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/**blog/~kidehenhttp://www.openlinksw.com/blog/%7Ekidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/**112399767740508618350/abouthttps://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/**kidehenhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen -- *Bernard Vatant * Vocabularies Data Engineering Tel : + 33 (0)9 71 48 84 59 Skype : bernard.vatant Linked Open Vocabularies http://labs.mondeca.com/dataset/lov *Mondeca** ** * 3 cité Nollez 75018 Paris, France www.mondeca.com Follow us on Twitter : @mondecanews http://twitter.com/#%21/mondecanews
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On 5/16/12 6:55 PM, Bernard Vatant wrote: Adrian Don't dream of accessing the Google Knowledge Graph and query it through a SPARQL endpoint as you do for DBpedia. As every Google critical technological infrastructure, I'm afraid it will be well hidden under the hood, and accessible only through the search interface. If they ever expose the Graph objects through an API as they do for Gmaps, now THAT would be really great news. Kingsley says they have Freebase, yes but Freebase stores only 22 million entities according to their own stats, which makes less than 5% of the overall figure, since Google claims 500 million nodes in the Knowledge Graph, and growing. So I guess they have also DBpedia and VIAF and Geonames and you name it ... whatever open and structured they can put their hands on. Linked data stuff whatever the format. Bernard And it will be query accessible, this is something that's inevitable and unavoidable. This is the Web. As I said, its a fascinating game of webby chess :-) Kingsley 2012/5/17 Adrian Walker adriandwal...@gmail.com mailto:adriandwal...@gmail.com Hi All, Nice videos etc, but has anyone found a link to actually *use* Knowledge Graph ? If it's not online yet, one wonders why Google chose to pre-announce it. Thanks, -- Adrian Internet Business Logic A Wiki and SOA Endpoint for Executable Open Vocabulary English Q/A over SQL and RDF Online at www.reengineeringllc.com http://www.reengineeringllc.com Shared use is free, and there are no advertisements Adrian Walker Reengineering On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com mailto:kide...@openlinksw.com wrote: On 5/16/12 4:02 PM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: Big thumbs up (at least in principle) from google on linked data http://googleblog.blogspot.de/2012/05/introducing-knowledge-graph-things-not.html +1000... It's getting real interesting. Google and Facebook as massive Linked Data Spaces, awesome! -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Founder CEO OpenLink Software Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/%7Ekidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen -- *Bernard Vatant * Vocabularies Data Engineering Tel : + 33 (0)9 71 48 84 59 Skype : bernard.vatant Linked Open Vocabularies http://labs.mondeca.com/dataset/lov *Mondeca* 3 cité Nollez 75018 Paris, France www.mondeca.com http://www.mondeca.com/ Follow us on Twitter : @mondecanews http://twitter.com/#%21/mondecanews -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Founder CEO OpenLink Software Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
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On May 16, 2012, at 20:04 - 16/05/12, Kingsley Idehen wrote: On 5/16/12 6:55 PM, Bernard Vatant wrote: Adrian Don't dream of accessing the Google Knowledge Graph and query it through a SPARQL endpoint as you do for DBpedia. As every Google critical technological infrastructure, I'm afraid it will be well hidden under the hood, and accessible only through the search interface. If they ever expose the Graph objects through an API as they do for Gmaps, now THAT would be really great news. Kingsley says they have Freebase, yes but Freebase stores only 22 million entities according to their own stats, which makes less than 5% of the overall figure, since Google claims 500 million nodes in the Knowledge Graph, and growing. So I guess they have also DBpedia and VIAF and Geonames and you name it ... whatever open and structured they can put their hands on. Linked data stuff whatever the format. Bernard And it will be query accessible, this is something that's inevitable and unavoidable. This is the Web. Well, that's what I've been trying to find out... Some of the questions: will they provide an API to access/query it? How really OPEN will it be? Will it then become the de-facto DBPedia in the linked space, ie, a central hub that almost everybody (also) links to? Cheers D
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On 5/16/12 8:32 PM, Daniel Schwabe wrote: On May 16, 2012, at 20:04 - 16/05/12, Kingsley Idehen wrote: On 5/16/12 6:55 PM, Bernard Vatant wrote: Adrian Don't dream of accessing the Google Knowledge Graph and query it through a SPARQL endpoint as you do for DBpedia. As every Google critical technological infrastructure, I'm afraid it will be well hidden under the hood, and accessible only through the search interface. If they ever expose the Graph objects through an API as they do for Gmaps, now THAT would be really great news. Kingsley says they have Freebase, yes but Freebase stores only 22 million entities according to their own stats, which makes less than 5% of the overall figure, since Google claims 500 million nodes in the Knowledge Graph, and growing. So I guess they have also DBpedia and VIAF and Geonames and you name it ... whatever open and structured they can put their hands on. Linked data stuff whatever the format. Bernard And it will be query accessible, this is something that's inevitable and unavoidable. This is the Web. Well, that's what I've been trying to find out... Some of the questions: will they provide an API to access/query it? They have not option but provide an API. Anything less than that contradicts the entire endeavor. How really OPEN will it be? The data will be structured in human/machine discernible form because (one again) they have no choice. Will it then become the de-facto DBPedia in the linked space, ie, a central hub that almost everybody (also) links to? It will be one of many large data spaces within the Web's global data space. It won't replace DBpedia, Freebase, or anything else. It will simply add yet another big and useful lookup space to the Web in general :-) Cheers D -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Founder CEO OpenLink Software Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
