[Puppet Users] Puppet Fundamentals training - how fundamental is it?

2014-01-17 Thread David Taylor
Hi all,

I've been playing around with Puppet with a view to implementing it at my 
workplace. I've already run through the Learning Puppet tutorial on 
docs.puppetlabs.com and the quizzes in the Puppet Learn Library, and now 
I'm looking into more formal training to try and get everything nailed down 
in my head and to get an idea of best practices for module design, 
environments etc. I was wondering if anyone could advise on whether the 
Puppet Fundamentals course is the right course to go for, or is it aimed at 
the complete Puppet novice - i.e. will I find that it just retreads things 
I already know? 

Thanks,

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Re: [Puppet Users] Puppet Fundamentals training - how fundamental is it?

2014-01-17 Thread Andrey Kozichev
Best training you can get: define a task and then try to solve it.
On 17 Jan 2014 17:38, David Taylor david.a.tay...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 I've been playing around with Puppet with a view to implementing it at my
 workplace. I've already run through the Learning Puppet tutorial on
 docs.puppetlabs.com and the quizzes in the Puppet Learn Library, and now
 I'm looking into more formal training to try and get everything nailed down
 in my head and to get an idea of best practices for module design,
 environments etc. I was wondering if anyone could advise on whether the
 Puppet Fundamentals course is the right course to go for, or is it aimed at
 the complete Puppet novice - i.e. will I find that it just retreads things
 I already know?

 Thanks,

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Re: [Puppet Users] Puppet Fundamentals training - how fundamental is it?

2014-01-17 Thread Patrick Lesher
Hi Dave,
  I had a good amount of experience using puppet before taking the course and 
while there were somethings that were repetitive I definitely got a lot out of 
the class.  I would say you set yourself up perfectly to take the class already 
and will be able to solidify those skills and learn new things.  Our instructor 
was very willing to answer questions and help with what if I wanted... types 
of things.

  Good luck with the class and enjoy!

--Patrick



On Jan 17, 2014, at 9:35 AM, David Taylor wrote:

Hi all,

I've been playing around with Puppet with a view to implementing it at my 
workplace. I've already run through the Learning Puppet tutorial on 
docs.puppetlabs.comhttp://docs.puppetlabs.com and the quizzes in the Puppet 
Learn Library, and now I'm looking into more formal training to try and get 
everything nailed down in my head and to get an idea of best practices for 
module design, environments etc. I was wondering if anyone could advise on 
whether the Puppet Fundamentals course is the right course to go for, or is it 
aimed at the complete Puppet novice - i.e. will I find that it just retreads 
things I already know?

Thanks,

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Re: [Puppet Users] Puppet Fundamentals training - how fundamental is it?

2014-01-17 Thread Nathan Valentine
Hey, David.

I'm a trainer for Puppet Labs and just finished teaching my bazillionth
Fundamentals class yesterday. ;)

The class is appropriate for those with at least a little bit of Ops or Dev
experience and it helps greatly if you are at least minimally comfortable
with VMWare/Virtualbox and things like SSH and Unix-y text editors (vi or
nano). That said of my my most impressive students was an MBA and had been
out of pure tech for 5 or 6 years. The classes assume no previous Puppet
experience but scripting experience certainly won't hurt you.

The class covers Puppet agent + master workflow, some basic version
control, Puppet modules, Defines, Parameterized Classes, Hiera and a few
other bits specific to Puppet Enterprise. I've had students who have been
doing Puppet for a couple of years come to the Fundamentals class and say
afterwards they were surprised how much they learned. One particular
student who expressed that view was maintaining a Puppet codebase of nearly
10k lines and thought he had seen it all before coming to class.

I will warn you that most people how decide to skip Fundamentals and go
straight to Advanced often regret it. It is quite a step up.

You might want to check the training schedule on our site. I think we list
Puppet Introduction classes there. They are a one-day very accelerated
and stripped down version of the Fundamentals class. They are almost always
taught at industry conferences as opposed to a public training center.
Sitting through one of those would give you a very good idea what to expect
in Fundamentals.

Feel free to email my offlist if you have other questions.






On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 9:35 AM, David Taylor david.a.tay...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi all,

 I've been playing around with Puppet with a view to implementing it at my
 workplace. I've already run through the Learning Puppet tutorial on
 docs.puppetlabs.com and the quizzes in the Puppet Learn Library, and now
 I'm looking into more formal training to try and get everything nailed down
 in my head and to get an idea of best practices for module design,
 environments etc. I was wondering if anyone could advise on whether the
 Puppet Fundamentals course is the right course to go for, or is it aimed at
 the complete Puppet novice - i.e. will I find that it just retreads things
 I already know?

 Thanks,

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Re: [Puppet Users] Puppet Fundamentals training - how fundamental is it?

2014-01-17 Thread Johan De Wit

On 01/17/2014 07:30 PM, Nathan Valentine wrote:

Hey, David.

I'm a trainer for Puppet Labs and just finished teaching my 
bazillionth Fundamentals class yesterday. ;)


The class is appropriate for those with at least a little bit of Ops 
or Dev experience and it helps greatly if you are at least minimally 
comfortable with VMWare/Virtualbox and things like SSH and Unix-y text 
editors (vi or nano). That said of my my most impressive students was 
an MBA and had been out of pure tech for 5 or 6 years. The classes 
assume no previous Puppet experience but scripting experience 
certainly won't hurt you.


The class covers Puppet agent + master workflow, some basic version 
control, Puppet modules, Defines, Parameterized Classes, Hiera and a 
few other bits specific to Puppet Enterprise. I've had students who 
have been doing Puppet for a couple of years come to the Fundamentals 
class and say afterwards they were surprised how much they learned. 
One particular student who expressed that view was maintaining a 
Puppet codebase of nearly 10k lines and thought he had seen it all 
before coming to class.


 will warn you that most people how decide to skip Fundamentals and go 
straight to Advanced often regret it. It is quite a step up.




I can confirm this.  I gave an advanced training recently to some people 
skipping the fundamentals.  And they were missing some stuff we teach in 
the fundamentals on which advanced is building upon.


Not a general rule, but ...even experienced puppet people are 
positive about the fundamentals, because the still learn a lot.


And even I still learn while teaching those courses.  Puppetlabs put a 
lot of effort in them to keep them accurate and up to date.


You might want to check the training schedule on our site. I think we 
list Puppet Introduction classes there. They are a one-day very 
accelerated and stripped down version of the Fundamentals class. They 
are almost always taught at industry conferences as opposed to a 
public training center. Sitting through one of those would give you a 
very good idea what to expect in Fundamentals.


Feel free to email my offlist if you have other questions.





On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 9:35 AM, David Taylor 
david.a.tay...@gmail.com mailto:david.a.tay...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi all,

I've been playing around with Puppet with a view to implementing
it at my workplace. I've already run through the Learning Puppet
tutorial on docs.puppetlabs.com http://docs.puppetlabs.com and
the quizzes in the Puppet Learn Library, and now I'm looking into
more formal training to try and get everything nailed down in my
head and to get an idea of best practices for module design,
environments etc. I was wondering if anyone could advise on
whether the Puppet Fundamentals course is the right course to go
for, or is it aimed at the complete Puppet novice - i.e. will I
find that it just retreads things I already know?

Thanks,

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