[PyKDE] Black Adder licensing structure
True but that won't change if they aren't exposed to free software. I was telling my stepfather about Linux (he uses Windows), and the comment I got was "how do you MAKE people write software for free? Someone has to pay for it". It's a popular misconception in the Windows space. What keeps a lot of people tied to Windows is not IE or Office, but all these dinky Visual Basic applications they enounter (yes most are shareware... forget free or commercial for the sake of arguement). Your stepfather is right - somebody does have to pay for it - the author. Hmm. I think my point was he had the typical "outsider" view that equates "software on Linux is free" with "that's not fair - you can't force people to work for free" (as in 'gun-to-your-head' force?). Does the Personal license for Black Adder allow one to distribute "free software" (even for Windows)? I just want to make little apps to catalog cheese, insults, or a Hungarian Phrasebook. Most people I know still run Windows, but would appreciate these type of apps. You would need the Business Edition. Yikes. Change the name to Impersonal Edition... $299 to distribute FREE software is steep. This is unusual -- typically licenses are divided into "commercial" and "non-commercial" camps. My intended use is still non-commercial. A non-commercial license that ALSO can't be distributed, is quite limiting in my opinion, and does not compare favorably with related tools such as Borland Kylix or MS Visual Basic (platform availability ignored for purposes of arguement). Your software, your price... I'm just voicing my opinion as to why I cannot even consider Black Adder. I had hoped the PE version allowed one to write free software. Scott Phil ___ PyKDE mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mats.gmd.de/mailman/listinfo/pykde ___ PyKDE mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mats.gmd.de/mailman/listinfo/pykde
[PyKDE] Black Adder
Hey guys - did anyone catch the latest from theKompany? Seems like a new product, "Black Adder", was released! Has anyone looked at this yet? I haven't contact anyone, but I'm very interested in having something like this to develop KDE apps with. I want to know more details, though, because some of the stuff I don't quite understand: 1. Is it a complete IDE, or is it PyQT, Eric, QT, Eric, and TrollTech Designer all mixed together? I'm really hoping it's like a Visual Delphi tool, which integrates project management, code libraries, GUI elements, etc. It would be awesome if it were actually a KDE app that integrated with the desktop well... 2. Will it have the KDE bindings for KDE 2.0 as well? 3. What about licensing of components coded with it - I work for a non-profit, but will definately want to distribute my apps to other sites for deploying - can they be GPL'd? 4. It looks like the version for sale is Beta... is that a good thing?? I don't know too many IT Shops that would purchase it if they saw this. I have other concerns too, like will there be API docs, etc. It says that there are 50 Mb of HTML docs, but what does this include - SIP generated API docs, QT docs, etc.? If this is what I think it is, then it could not only become a killer application, but could readily leverage Python and KDE/Qt as a development alternative to the "crappy, yet ubiquitous" status-quo. Regards, Eron Lloyd ___ PyKDE mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mats.gmd.de/mailman/listinfo/pykde
Re: [PyKDE] Black Adder
Eron Lloyd wrote: Hey guys - did anyone catch the latest from theKompany? Seems like a new product, "Black Adder", was released! Has anyone looked at this yet? I haven't contact anyone, but I'm very interested in having something like this to develop KDE apps with. I want to know more details, though, because some of the stuff I don't quite understand: You're too quick for me. I'll post something more detailed when the press release goes out (probably tomorrow), but to answer your specific questions... 1. Is it a complete IDE, or is it PyQT, Eric, QT, Eric, and TrollTech Designer all mixed together? I'm really hoping it's like a Visual Delphi tool, which integrates project management, code libraries, GUI elements, etc. It would be awesome if it were actually a KDE app that integrated with the desktop well... It is PyQt + class documentation for Python (rather than C++) + mxODBC + Qt + an IDE. The IDE is an enhanced Qt Designer that allows you to organise things into projects, includes a Python-aware editor, a debugger and the Python interpreter in a window. 2. Will it have the KDE bindings for KDE 2.0 as well? No. BlackAdder is targetted at both Windows and Linux. When you buy it, you get a copy for both platforms. That said, you will be able to use it to develop PyKDE applications (should I ever find the time to release PyKDE for KDE 2). 3. What about licensing of components coded with it - I work for a non-profit, but will definately want to distribute my apps to other sites for deploying - can they be GPL'd? There are two editions: Personal and Business. The Business Edition allows you to re-distribute the run-time elements (excluding mxODBC) with your application. 4. It looks like the version for sale is Beta... is that a good thing?? I don't know too many IT Shops that would purchase it if they saw this. There is a discount if you purchase during the Beta period. This beta is probably slightly less "dangerous" than most because the most important bits (Python, PyQt and Qt) are all established packages. I have other concerns too, like will there be API docs, etc. It says that there are 50 Mb of HTML docs, but what does this include - SIP generated API docs, QT docs, etc.? As I said these are the Qt docs translated for Python (or will be by the time of the final release). If this is what I think it is, then it could not only become a killer application, but could readily leverage Python and KDE/Qt as a development alternative to the "crappy, yet ubiquitous" status-quo. I hope so! Phil ___ PyKDE mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mats.gmd.de/mailman/listinfo/pykde
