Book/donation

2009-01-20 Thread Matt Feifarek
Hi Ben (and Pylons list).

I've been thinking of buying The Definitive Guide to Pylons from Apress,
but am realizing that I'd rather read it on-screen (syntax-highlighting,
search, cut-n-paste, etc.) BUT, I know that writing books is one of the ways
that contributors to Free Software can make a tiny bit of money indirectly
from their work.

In other words: I'd like to demonstrate my thanks and support, but I'd like
another option than buying the 6 pounds of paper and giving Amazon a cut.
Can I just make a donation to you (or to Pylons) or send you a gift?

I'm cc'ing the list, because I bet there are lots of people in my boat. I
hope it's not inappropriate.

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Re: Book/donation

2009-01-20 Thread Patrick

I am a bit short of cash at the moment but I too would like to donate at 
some point. It's amazing how much has gotten done without support. I 
don't work for free and I don't expect others to do so. Pylons is 
helping me generate income(or will shortly)
-patrick

Matt Feifarek wrote:
 Hi Ben (and Pylons list).

 I've been thinking of buying The Definitive Guide to Pylons from 
 Apress, but am realizing that I'd rather read it on-screen 
 (syntax-highlighting, search, cut-n-paste, etc.) BUT, I know that 
 writing books is one of the ways that contributors to Free Software 
 can make a tiny bit of money indirectly from their work.

 In other words: I'd like to demonstrate my thanks and support, but I'd 
 like another option than buying the 6 pounds of paper and giving 
 Amazon a cut. Can I just make a donation to you (or to Pylons) or send 
 you a gift?

 I'm cc'ing the list, because I bet there are lots of people in my 
 boat. I hope it's not inappropriate.



 


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Re: Book/donation

2009-01-20 Thread Thorsten Lockert
You do realize that Apress also sells the book in electronic (PDF)  
format, which you can search in, cut and paste from and such, right...?

Thorsten

On Jan 20, 2009, at 10:06 , Matt Feifarek wrote:

 Hi Ben (and Pylons list).

 I've been thinking of buying The Definitive Guide to Pylons from  
 Apress, but am realizing that I'd rather read it on-screen (syntax- 
 highlighting, search, cut-n-paste, etc.) BUT, I know that writing  
 books is one of the ways that contributors to Free Software can make  
 a tiny bit of money indirectly from their work.

 In other words: I'd like to demonstrate my thanks and support, but  
 I'd like another option than buying the 6 pounds of paper and giving  
 Amazon a cut. Can I just make a donation to you (or to Pylons) or  
 send you a gift?

 I'm cc'ing the list, because I bet there are lots of people in my  
 boat. I hope it's not inappropriate.



 


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Re: Book/donation

2009-01-20 Thread Matt Feifarek
No, I did not.

But anyway, PDF sucks (no color-coding, no download links, hard to read
compared to a browser, etc.) I'm hoping for http://pylonsbook.com/

But if Ben's preference is that we should buy the PDF, I might just do that.
I'd just rather a more direct approach.

But thanks for the tip.

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Thorsten Lockert tlock...@gmail.comwrote:

 You do realize that Apress also sells the book in electronic (PDF) format,
 which you can search in, cut and paste from and such, right...?


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Re: Book/donation

2009-01-20 Thread Thorsten Lockert
My understanding is that the online version at http://pylonsbook.com/  
is in the process of being updated to what was released on paper (and  
in PDF) as well.

That said, PDF can certainly have color-coding and clickable links. I  
forget whether the Pylons book in PDF format does.

Thorsten

On Jan 20, 2009, at 10:35 , Matt Feifarek wrote:

 No, I did not.

 But anyway, PDF sucks (no color-coding, no download links, hard to  
 read compared to a browser, etc.) I'm hoping for http://pylonsbook.com/

 But if Ben's preference is that we should buy the PDF, I might just  
 do that. I'd just rather a more direct approach.

 But thanks for the tip.

 On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Thorsten Lockert  
 tlock...@gmail.com wrote:
 You do realize that Apress also sells the book in electronic (PDF)  
 format, which you can search in, cut and paste from and such,  
 right...?


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Re: Book/donation

2009-01-20 Thread Wyatt Baldwin

  Matt Feifarek wrote:
  Hi Ben (and Pylons list).

  I've been thinking of buying The Definitive Guide to Pylons from
  Apress, but am realizing that I'd rather read it on-screen
  (syntax-highlighting, search, cut-n-paste, etc.) BUT, I know that
  writing books is one of the ways that contributors to Free Software
  can make a tiny bit of money indirectly from their work.

  In other words: I'd like to demonstrate my thanks and support, but I'd
  like another option than buying the 6 pounds of paper and giving
  Amazon a cut. Can I just make a donation to you (or to Pylons) or send
  you a gift?

  I'm cc'ing the list, because I bet there are lots of people in my
  boat. I hope it's not inappropriate.

 On Jan 20, 10:12 am, Patrick optoma...@rogers.com wrote:
 I am a bit short of cash at the moment but I too would like to donate at
 some point. It's amazing how much has gotten done without support. I
 don't work for free and I don't expect others to do so. Pylons is
 helping me generate income(or will shortly)
 -patrick

I'm with that. If there was a donate button on the Pylons and/or
Pylons Book site, I'd click it.
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Re: Book/donation

2009-01-20 Thread Wyatt Baldwin

 On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Thorsten Lockert tlock...@gmail.comwrote:

  You do realize that Apress also sells the book in electronic (PDF) format,
  which you can search in, cut and paste from and such, right...?

 On Jan 20, 10:35 am, Matt Feifarek matt.feifa...@gmail.com wrote:
 No, I did not.

 But anyway, PDF sucks (no color-coding, no download links, hard to read
 compared to a browser, etc.) I'm hoping forhttp://pylonsbook.com/

 But if Ben's preference is that we should buy the PDF, I might just do that.
 I'd just rather a more direct approach.

 But thanks for the tip.

I haven't seen the PDF, but there's no reason it couldn't have syntax
highlighting or download links is there? Does anyone know if it does?


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Re: Book/donation

2009-01-20 Thread Matt Feifarek
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Wyatt Baldwin
wyatt.lee.bald...@gmail.comwrote:


 I haven't seen the PDF, but there's no reason it couldn't have syntax
 highlighting or download links is there? Does anyone know if it does?


The sample-chapter PDF that they have has no code examples, but there's no
color in it at all, FWIW.

Kindof a poor example, actually; it's an introduction chapter to a book,
which I'm guessing is not the sort of thing that a user typically obsesses
over.

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Re: Book/donation

2009-01-20 Thread Mike Orr

 Matt Feifarek wrote:
 Hi Ben (and Pylons list).

 I've been thinking of buying The Definitive Guide to Pylons from
 Apress, but am realizing that I'd rather read it on-screen
 (syntax-highlighting, search, cut-n-paste, etc.) BUT, I know that
 writing books is one of the ways that contributors to Free Software
 can make a tiny bit of money indirectly from their work.

 In other words: I'd like to demonstrate my thanks and support,

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Patrick optoma...@rogers.com wrote:

 I am a bit short of cash at the moment but I too would like to donate at
 some point. It's amazing how much has gotten done without support. I
 don't work for free and I don't expect others to do so. Pylons is
 helping me generate income(or will shortly)

Noah has been musing about setting up a nonprofit or leveraging a
nonprofit (like the PSF) for the purpose of collecting donations to
support Pylons/WSGI-related development and marketing.  However,
nothing has been set up yet.  But these emails are further evidence of
enthusiasm from the donor side.

-- 
Mike Orr sluggos...@gmail.com

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Re: Book/donation

2009-01-20 Thread Noah Gift

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Mike Orr sluggos...@gmail.com wrote:
 Matt Feifarek wrote:
 Hi Ben (and Pylons list).

 I've been thinking of buying The Definitive Guide to Pylons from
 Apress, but am realizing that I'd rather read it on-screen
 (syntax-highlighting, search, cut-n-paste, etc.) BUT, I know that
 writing books is one of the ways that contributors to Free Software
 can make a tiny bit of money indirectly from their work.

 In other words: I'd like to demonstrate my thanks and support,

 On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Patrick optoma...@rogers.com wrote:

 I am a bit short of cash at the moment but I too would like to donate at
 some point. It's amazing how much has gotten done without support. I
 don't work for free and I don't expect others to do so. Pylons is
 helping me generate income(or will shortly)

 Noah has been musing about setting up a nonprofit or leveraging a
 nonprofit (like the PSF) for the purpose of collecting donations to
 support Pylons/WSGI-related development and marketing.

I think I have been musing that I would like to donate money to a
nonprofit that someone else runs :)  I do agree though, that people
are interested in donating money to Pylons, the Pylons book,
SQLAlchemy, and some future unified web framework core.  I think it
needs to be setup from the people who are stake holders though, and
not from the user community.

  However,
 nothing has been set up yet.  But these emails are further evidence of
 enthusiasm from the donor side.

 --
 Mike Orr sluggos...@gmail.com


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Re: Book/donation

2009-01-20 Thread Mike Orr

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Noah Gift noah.g...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Mike Orr sluggos...@gmail.com wrote:
 Noah has been musing about setting up a nonprofit or leveraging a
 nonprofit (like the PSF) for the purpose of collecting donations to
 support Pylons/WSGI-related development and marketing.

 I think I have been musing that I would like to donate money to a
 nonprofit that someone else runs :)  I do agree though, that people
 are interested in donating money to Pylons, the Pylons book,
 SQLAlchemy, and some future unified web framework core.  I think it
 needs to be setup from the people who are stake holders though, and
 not from the user community.

Sorry for the ambiguous wording; that is what I meant. :)

This would be a good topic for the developers to discuss with the PSF
at PyCon, how to handle Python projects that would like to accept
donations.  Apparently Django tried to set up something under the PSF
but were unable to come to an agreement with them, which is why Django
created its own foundation.

-- 
Mike Orr sluggos...@gmail.com

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