Re: GAE support

2011-08-12 Thread Sebastien Douche
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 02:33, Chris McDonough chr...@plope.com wrote:

Hi Chris

 Comments of course welcome (esp. if you have inside info about when the
 GAE move might happen :-) )

Make sense, Python 2.5 reaches end of life (October 2011).


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Re: GAE support

2011-08-12 Thread Sebastien Douche
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 21:14, Chris McDonough chr...@plope.com wrote:
 FYI this would also affect Jython. Work has started on 2.6 support, but it's 
 been pretty slow.

 Alex Gaynor pointed this out to me yesterday, I totally forgot that
 Jython wasn't yet 2.7.  Not sure I want to ditch Jython support, so
 perhaps that announcement was a little hasty.

2 remarks:

- Does anyone use Pyramid with Jython?

- According to Jython changelog, they need 7 months for the 2.5.2
release (from 2.5.0). I'm afraid they will create Jython 2.6 when she
reaches end of life (October 2013). ok ok I'm backbiter but Is it
sensible to synchronising Pyramid goals with Jython? From my point of
view, Pyramid is the most advanced Python framework, and their
creators must see the present (PyPy and CPython 3.3), not the past.

Just my 0.2$

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Re: GAE support

2011-08-11 Thread Philip Jenvey

On Aug 10, 2011, at 5:33 PM, Chris McDonough wrote:

 In the meantime, GAE has become basically the only reason to support
 Python 2.5 in Pyramid.  

FYI this would also affect Jython. Work has started on 2.6 support, but it's 
been pretty slow.

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Re: GAE support

2011-08-11 Thread Chris McDonough
On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 11:50 -0700, Philip Jenvey wrote:
 On Aug 10, 2011, at 5:33 PM, Chris McDonough wrote:
 
  In the meantime, GAE has become basically the only reason to support
  Python 2.5 in Pyramid.  
 
 FYI this would also affect Jython. Work has started on 2.6 support, but it's 
 been pretty slow.

Alex Gaynor pointed this out to me yesterday, I totally forgot that
Jython wasn't yet 2.7.  Not sure I want to ditch Jython support, so
perhaps that announcement was a little hasty.

Hurry up though! ;-) 

- C


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GAE support

2011-08-10 Thread Chris McDonough
FYI,

Google App Engine is based on Python 2.5.  Python 2.7 support is on
their roadmap (http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/roadmap.html ) but
the roadmap hasn't really changed much (at least wrt to this issue) in
the last six months or so.

In the meantime, GAE has become basically the only reason to support
Python 2.5 in Pyramid.  Supporting Python 2.5 is a bit of a burden right
now, especially as we start to port things to Python 3.  As a result, we
will drop Python 2.5 support (and therefore GAE support, unless they've
moved to 2.7 by then) in Pyramid 1.2.

Existing users of Pyramid on GAE can of course continue to use Pyramid
1.1 and 1.0, but they may need to start to pin versions of Pyramid
dependencies as those evolve and also begin to drop Python 2.5 support.
When that becomes necessary, I'll attempt to write up a pinning document
to provide those folks with guidance as to which versions of
dependencies they'll need to pin.

Comments of course welcome (esp. if you have inside info about when the
GAE move might happen :-) )

- C


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Re: GAE support

2011-08-10 Thread Steve Piercy
On Aug 10, 5:33 pm, Chris McDonough chr...@plope.com wrote:

 Google App Engine is based on Python 2.5.  Python 2.7 support is on
 their roadmap (http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/roadmap.html) but
 the roadmap hasn't really changed much (at least wrt to this issue) in
 the last six months or so.

 Comments of course welcome (esp. if you have inside info about when the
 GAE move might happen :-) )

Chris,

It may be useful to let Wesley Chun and others working on the GAE
roadmap know of this decision through their community forum, directly
by email, or IRC #appengine, if you have not done so already.
http://code.google.com/appengine/community.html

I don't know whether they have a hard set timeline or would publicize
one, but it might not hurt to ask.

--steve

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Re: GAE support

2011-08-10 Thread Chris McDonough
On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 18:00 -0700, Steve Piercy wrote:
 On Aug 10, 5:33 pm, Chris McDonough chr...@plope.com wrote:
 
  Google App Engine is based on Python 2.5.  Python 2.7 support is on
  their roadmap (http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/roadmap.html) but
  the roadmap hasn't really changed much (at least wrt to this issue) in
  the last six months or so.
 
  Comments of course welcome (esp. if you have inside info about when the
  GAE move might happen :-) )
 
 Chris,
 
 It may be useful to let Wesley Chun and others working on the GAE
 roadmap know of this decision through their community forum, directly
 by email, or IRC #appengine, if you have not done so already.
 http://code.google.com/appengine/community.html
 
 I don't know whether they have a hard set timeline or would publicize
 one, but it might not hurt to ask.

Sure.  I personally don't actually use GAE, and it's hard to get
passionate about things you don't use, so it'd be best if someone who
did (and who cares about Pyramid running on GAE in the future) could
maybe be an envoy.

- C


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