RE: [PyMOL] pair_fit crashes

2002-09-26 Thread DeLano, Warren
Hi Jeremy,

If the proteins have significant homology, then you can use the align command:

align prot1ca,prot2

which will perform a sequence alignment of prot1 against prot2, and then an 
optimizing fit using the CA positions.  I'm not sure if the help text for align 
got into 0.82, but the next version will definitely have it.

PyMOL's command length is limit to about 1000 characters, which is probably 
what is causing pair_fit to crash.  However, ideally it should complain 
gracefully instead of crashing, so if you have a sample script  input PDB 
files which cause it to crash, please send them to me as attachments.

As far as script options go, you've pointed out a hole which I had forgotten 
about, but Robert's suggestion on defining a function call in the script is 
definitely the way to go for now.

Cheers,
Warren


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-Original Message-
From: Jeremy Craven [mailto:c.j.cra...@sheffield.ac.uk]
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 2:00 AM
To: pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [PyMOL] pair_fit crashes


I have been trying to write a script to overlay two arbitrary proteins via my 
own alignment and the 'pair_fit' command. 
1) After running into the problem I described below I looked through the 
pymol-users mailing list as hard as I could and found a statment that such 
arbitrary alignment should be in pymol anyhow from vsn 0.80.  I am using 0.82 
but cannot find it. Is it there ? 
2) Anyhow, (and assuming that I might want to do alignments my own way anyhow), 
I created a script which read in an alignment and created a big long pair_fit 
command of the form  
pair_fit (tbr and resi 187 and name ca),(bs and resi 170 and name ca), (tbr and 
resi 192 and name ca),(bs and resi 175 and name ca),  etc 
The script then executed this string with cmd.do 
If I restricted this to about 10 atom pairs it worked fine.  If I allow more 
atoms it crashes the program.  On linux it gave segmentation violation.  On 
irix it gave bus error.  On irix it gave another message that implied that 
maybe the selections had got truncated.  On linux it got as far as giving a 
sensible 'ExecutiveRMS' message (including a value for the rmsd and the number 
of atoms) and then froze and eventually core dumped. It therefore seems that 
the long selection has been accepted properly, but may it corrupts something 
else as a side effect ? 
Any ideas anyone ??  I wondered about doing all the selections invidually into 
named selections and then create a shorter pair_fit command, but decided I 
would ask here first. 
A second little quesion is how do you send command line arguments to a pymol 
python script. 
If I say 
PyMOL   run test1.py abcdef 
it says 
Traceback (most recent call last): 
  File /usr/lib/python1.5/site-packages/pymol/modules/pymol/parser.py, line 
186, in parse 
execfile(args[nest][0],pymol_names,pymol_names) 
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory 
whereas test1.py really does exist, and run test1.py works fine. 
Otherwise pymol is a great joy to have discovered in the last month or so, and 
a project that I hope I can support (e.g. by contributing scripts like this one 
once I can get it to work properly ...) 
Cheers 
Jeremy 
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[PyMOL] Conformation Editing

2002-09-26 Thread Yu Shao
Hello everyone,

Does anyone know how to use the conformation editing of PyMol, or has it
been implemented? It's unclear from the menual, which just said that
Sorry, no documentation yet -- these features won't be too useful until
PyMOL is coupled up with an energy minimiation engine. Any infomation
will be highly appreciated.

Best wishes,
Yu Shao
R.P.I.





Re: [PyMOL] Conformation Editing

2002-09-26 Thread Warren L. DeLano
Yu,

The conformational editing features are not fully designed nor well
tested, and the documentation is still incomplete.  Until the PyMOL user
interface is a bit more stabilized, documentation seems premature.
I am resistant to the idea of committing to a user interface which hasn't
really been evaluated or optimized for usability.  However it is quite
frustrating for all of us knowing that there is considerable  power under
the  hood which can't yet be accessed by users : ( .

However, you should at least be able to do a few basic things, such as
manually adjusting bond torsions:

1. put the mouse into editing mode (Mouse menu)
2. ctrl-right click on a bond
3. ctrl-left click and drag atoms on either side of the bond.

Other mouse combinations allow you to move fragments in different
ways...just play around with the different combinations on the mouse
matrix.

Sculpting is a bit less obvious:  PyMOL will take a snapshot of
bond lenths, angles, and stereochemistry inside a molecule the first time
sculpting is activated on an object.  From then on, no matter what you do,
PyMOL will labor to maintain those constraints while you drag atoms around
or make other conformational changes.

The Sculpting Wizard can help you out in getting started with this
feature.  However, the bottom line is that more work needs to be
done on these aspects of PyMOL, and that's why increasing funding for
PyMOL is essential.  Until I can afford to start paying people to help me
with development and documentation, progress will cotinue to be slow.

So in closing, I wouldn't look to PyMOL as a workhorse conformational
editing tool just yet -- give it another year or so.

Cheers,
Warren


On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Yu Shao wrote:

 Hello everyone,

 Does anyone know how to use the conformation editing of PyMol, or has it
 been implemented? It's unclear from the menual, which just said that
 Sorry, no documentation yet -- these features won't be too useful until
 PyMOL is coupled up with an energy minimiation engine. Any infomation
 will be highly appreciated.

 Best wishes,
 Yu Shao
 R.P.I.




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