Re: [Python-Dev] Is it intentional that sys.__debug__ = 1 is illegal in Python 2.7?
2010/7/30 Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org: On Jul 30, 2010, at 01:42 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: Well it is a reserved name so those packages that were setting it should have known that they were using undefined behavior that could change at any time. Shouldn't it be described here then? http://docs.python.org/reference/lexical_analysis.html#identifiers Doesn't the section http://docs.python.org/reference/lexical_analysis.html#reserved-classes-of-identifiers make this clear enough ? -Barry ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/ggpolo%40gmail.com -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Removing IDLE from the standard library
2010/7/14 Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu: On 7/14/2010 2:35 AM, Giampaolo Rodolà wrote: One of the main problems with IDLE is the lack of tabs for editing multiple files within the same window. Having that alone would be a great improvement. Yes, the same as tabs for browsing was. This is firstly an unlying gui widget set issue. Tk does not, as far as I know, have a tabbed document widget. Ttk has a new Notebook widget, with tabs. I have worked on this before, and I can tell you that simply changing to ttk widgets is the easiest part. My recommendation, that you are free to ignore (especially if you want to skip this previous work), is: as a first step change the EditWindow to act more like a EditPage. That is, you should be able to instantiate a EditWindow and include this new EditPage on it (as a child or something else that you may imagine). -- Terry Jan Reedy -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Removing IDLE from the standard library
2010/7/14 Greg Ewing greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz: Giampaolo Rodolà wrote: One of the main problems with IDLE is the lack of tabs for editing multiple files within the same window. While tabs seem to work well for web browsing, I'm not so sure about using them for source editing. Often I want to display two or more files side by side, which can't be done if they're in different tabs of the same window. Adding tabs doesn't necessarily mean a single window, you should be able to continue using multiple windows with single tabs if that is your preference. -- Greg -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] [Idle-dev] Removing IDLE from the standard library
2010/7/11 Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de: In the 2009 Google Summer of Code I was the mentor for a Brazilian student, Guilherme Polo, who completed and extended important improvements to IDLE made during the previous year by David Scherer. Given the somewhat official nature of this work, I assumed that these needed improvements would make it into the standard distribution, but as far as I know that hasn't happened. It would seem that if even this sponsored project didn't impact the standard Python distribution, something is broken in the procedures, and probably what is needed is, as Guido says, that someone be given the authority to get improvements to IDLE into the standard distribution. Making a significant change to the update procedures is clearly needed. I don't think so; instead, the perception of authority needs to be adjusted (in the specific case). Guilherme could have committed these changes, but, for whatever reason, decided not to. Nor did his direct mentor (i.e. you) tell him to commit the changes, and neither did I. Even if this needed change is made, there is also merit to Tai's suggestion of creating a separate project, to encourage developers like him to work together to improve IDLE, without having as a first priority to worry about getting it into the standard distribution, but with the clear understanding that this is the place to go for improvements to migrate into the standard distribution. Again, Guilherme could commit his changes any time. Regards, Martin I think Martin has always supported me in some way and I really appreciate that. But, maybe because I won commit privileges solely based on GSoC work, I felt other developers wouldn't approve my commits without previous discussion and that is the major reason for not committing most of my patches. -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Removing IDLE from the standard library
2010/7/10 Miki Tebeka miki.teb...@gmail.com: Hello Tal, I would like to propose removing IDLE from the standard library. -1. One of the biggest selling points for me when switching to python was the out of the box working IDE with REPL, syntax highliting and a debugger. The only other candidate I think of to replace IDLE might be IPython. However for novice users who are not used to command line it might be too intimidating. There are my others IDEs out there, some better some worse. However IMO to have one bundled with Python is highly important. Cross-platform support has degraded with the increasing popularity of OSX and 64-bit platforms. I use IDLE on Ubuntu 64bit and before that on OS X 64 bit, never had a problem. Can you give some examples on what do you mean by cross-platform support? By never had a problem do you mean using some of the latest versions ? Here, running idle from a mac terminal and trying to type: print hi crashes when entering the quotation mark. I'm mostly sure this has been fixed on versions newer than 2.6.1 (but I hope you agree with me that shouldn't happen with a version distributed on macosx), so my another example is in the form of a question: how functional is the current IDLE debugger when running on a Mac ? -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Tkinter: modify xview of entry widget
2009/8/14 paolo.fr...@libero.it paolo.fr...@libero.it: Hi, I'm Paolo from Italy and I'm a python user. I wish to propose a useful and smart method modify in Tkinter Library: Previously to scroll this widget we had to write an external function (recalling xview_moveto and xview_scroll). With my method this operation is cleared and the same as all other widgets (just have to call xview). I wish that this implementation could be integrated in Tkinter, and I remain at disposal for any question or further information. Waiting for your response, I believe you are trying to mention the fact that the Entry.xview method doesn't allow being called without passing an index, even if this index is None. Is that the case ? Take a look on http://bugs.python.org/issue1135 and http://bugs.python.org/issue6180, they already address this fix. Best regards Paolo Fraguglia Regards, -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Google Summer of Code/core Python projects - RFC
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 5:38 PM, C. Titus Brown c...@msu.edu wrote: Hi all, this year we have 10-12 GSoC applications that I've put in the relevant to core Python development category. These projects, if mentors etc are found, are *guaranteed* a slot under the PSF GSoC umbrella. As backup GSoC admin and general busybody, I've taken on the work of coordinating these as a special subgroup within the PSF GSoC, and I thought it would be good to mention them to python-dev. Note that all of them have been run by a few different committers, including Martin, Tarek, Benjamin, and Brett, and they've been obliging enough to triage a few of them. Thanks, guys! Here's what's left after that triage. . . IDLE/Tkinter patch integration improvement -- deal with ~120 tracker issues relating to IDLE and Tkinter. Is it important, for the discussion, to mention that it also involves testing this area (idle and tkinter), Titus ? I'm considering this more important than just dealing with the tracker issues. --titus -- C. Titus Brown, c...@msu.edu Regards, -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Google Summer of Code/core Python projects - RFC
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 6:02 PM, C. Titus Brown c...@msu.edu wrote: On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 05:53:23PM -0300, Guilherme Polo wrote: - - IDLE/Tkinter patch integration improvement -- deal with ~120 tracker - ? ? ? ?issues relating to IDLE and Tkinter. - - - Is it important, for the discussion, to mention that it also involves - testing this area (idle and tkinter), Titus ? I'm considering this - more important than just dealing with the tracker issues. What, I tell you that your app is going to be accepted and we shouldn't argue about it, and you want to argue about it? ;) Oh awesome then :) I think I misread part of your original email. --titus -- C. Titus Brown, c...@msu.edu -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] http://bugs.python.org/issue2240
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:54 PM, Tennessee Leeuwenburg tleeuwenb...@gmail.com wrote: This issue has been largely resolved, but there is an outstanding bug where the (reviewed and committed) solution does not work on certain versions of FreeBSD (broken in 6.3, working in 7+). Do we have a list of 'supported platforms', and is FreeBSD 6.3 in it? What's the policy with regards to supporting dependencies like this? Should I set this issue to 'pending' seeing as no-one is currently working on a patch for this? Or is leaving this open and hanging around exactly the right thing to do? I would find more appropriate to close this as fixed because the issue was about adding setitimer and getitimer wrappers and that is done. We could then create another issue regarding this bug in specific versions of freebsd towards this setitimer/getitimer wrapper. That is what makes more sense to me. Cheers, -T -- -- Tennessee Leeuwenburg http://myownhat.blogspot.com/ Don't believe everything you think Regards, -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Non-Core project: IDLE
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Scott David Daniels scott.dani...@acm.org wrote: Guilherme Polo wrote: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: IDLE needs lots of attention -- more than any one experienced person is likely to have I'm willing to step up as a student for this but I still have to write a good proposal for it. My actual concern is about mentor availability, is someone around interested on being an IDLE mentor ? You might want to talk to Bruce Sherwood, as VPython suffered through a bunch of Idle problems. I got the impression he had a person or two who were his Idle experts (so I am thinking they might be the mentors you are looking for). In any case, even a charter of unit tests to 50% coverage of Idle would be a huge improvement. Thanks for the direction Scott. I have talked with Bruce yesterday and now again, he included a list of issues that is considered important to be fixed but unfortunately several of them are related to mac only and I won't be able to properly address them. He also pointed me to the person that worked on some issues regarding IDLE and VPython, waiting now to hear if he is interested on gsoc. I've run after specific bugs in Idle, but don't really know the lay of the land. --Scott David Daniels scott.dani...@acm.org Thanks, -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Non-Core project: IDLE
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:26 AM, Mark Summerfield l...@qtrac.plus.com wrote: On 2009-03-23, Guilherme Polo wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: Guilherme Polo wrote: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: IDLE needs lots of attention -- more than any one experienced person is likely to have I'm willing to step up as a student for this but I still have to write a good proposal for it. My actual concern is about mentor availability, is someone around interested on being an IDLE mentor ? If I could, I would, and would have said so. But I have only read about tk and have not actually used it. If I did decide to dive into it, you'd be mentoring me ;-). What I can and would do is give ideas for changes, read and comment on a proposal, and user test patched versions. That is very nice Terry. Do you have some specific ideas that you want to share publicly (or in private) about IDLE ? Your expectations about what should be addressed first, or areas that should be improved.. you know, anything. I have one suggestion that I think might be widely appreciated: Add somewhere in the configuration dialog when users can enter a block of Python code to be executed at startup and whenever Restart Shell is executed. Use case: for people who use IDLE for calculations/experiments they might like to always have certain module imported. For me personally, it would be: import os import re import sys from math import * but of course the whole point is that people can write any code they like. (Some people might want to do various from __future__ imports in Python 2.6 to get various Python 3 features for example.) I know that you can use the -c option, but that only works at startup, not every time you Restart Shell. Looks like a good suggestion to me, Mark. I would recommend adding it as a feature request on the typical place (bugs.python.org) because although I could just go and do it, I believe you are aware that new features in IDLE are subject to approval or disapproval by other members involved with IDLE. Hope you understand my position. [snip] -- Mark Summerfield, Qtrac Ltd, www.qtrac.eu C++, Python, Qt, PyQt - training and consultancy Rapid GUI Programming with Python and Qt - ISBN 0132354187 Regards, -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Non-Core project: IDLE
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: IDLE needs lots of attention -- more than any one experienced person is likely to have I'm willing to step up as a student for this but I still have to write a good proposal for it. My actual concern is about mentor availability, is someone around interested on being an IDLE mentor ? Regards, -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC: Core Python development tools
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Hi, Daniel (ajax) Diniz ajaksu at gmail.com writes: But the real point is that, regardless of underlying VCS, there is a choice between having all core developers know by heart the right switches and order of steps to correctly checkout/update -( branch locally) - fix - diff - commit - merge - solve conflicts and offering a little, well-documented script that takes care of the switches and sequence of steps. Well, it seems to me that most of these steps are separated by manual intervention (e.g. compile and run the test suite to check that everything works smoothly), so there's no real point in making a script out of them. The real issues with svnmerge are its occasional bugs or failures (it forgot some changesets when merging in the io-c branch!), Any chance you were not using the latest svnmerge when you did that merge ? I've had problems like this when using older versions. its slowness, and its limitations (which are really inherent to the SVN model: e.g., if someone commits to the branch you have just started doing an svnmerge to, you have to revert everything and start over with the latest updates). Regards Antoine. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/ggpolo%40gmail.com -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Non-Core project: IDLE
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: Guilherme Polo wrote: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: IDLE needs lots of attention -- more than any one experienced person is likely to have I'm willing to step up as a student for this but I still have to write a good proposal for it. My actual concern is about mentor availability, is someone around interested on being an IDLE mentor ? If I could, I would, and would have said so. But I have only read about tk and have not actually used it. If I did decide to dive into it, you'd be mentoring me ;-). What I can and would do is give ideas for changes, read and comment on a proposal, and user test patched versions. That is very nice Terry. Do you have some specific ideas that you want to share publicly (or in private) about IDLE ? Your expectations about what should be addressed first, or areas that should be improved.. you know, anything. The proposal I'm planning will include IDLE but it will also include some Tkinter, since it depends on it and bugs on the later can affect the former as you know. I was planning to first target the lack of tests of both IDLE and Tkinter, I believe that by adding tests (and doing it nicely) may change how future changes are applied (I'm thinking about having them getting new tests for new features, fixes, etc as it happens for other areas in Python) and will make easier to maintain them. My other target is to check the open tickets in the bug tracker regarding IDLE and Tkinter too, I have been much more active on the later so the former will take some more time to test/think/make a decision. I will be able to test these changes under Linux and on plain Windows XP, Vista and the 7 but differences between different system configurations may also affect IDLE, so any help you can provide will be very much appreciated. Hopefully someone with a mac will be able to provide some help here too. Terry -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Daniel Fetchinson fetchin...@googlemail.com wrote: Hey guys/gals Summer of Code is ramping up. Every year the common complaint is that not enough Python core projects get proposed by students, and of course a big reason for that is often the only encouragement we offer prospective students is a link to the PEP index. So let's make this year different. Accepted students are paid a total of $4500 to work for roughly 30 hours a week, 12 weeks, on their proposed project. The challenge is finding project ideas for them that could reasonably occupy them for the entire Summer and which the results of their work can be demonstrated. They're being paid for specific projects so Spend the Summer fixing bugs on the tracker is a no-go, and Google has outlined that Summer of Code is about code, not documentation. I've seen and heard that a lot of work is still needed on http://svn.python.org/view/python/trunk both during the 3.1 release cycle, optimization possible all over the place. It'd be great if those of you working closely with this can shout out some ideas, brainstorm a bit. PSF was announced as one of the mentoring orgs today, this week before student applications are open is for students to talk to their prospective mentors and iron out the wrinkles in their plans, so there's not much time to get core project ideas together. How about porting PIL to 3.0? There were many such requests on python-list and image-sig (including mine :)) I have ported it to the stage where its tests passes (which are far from covering all the code) and some of my own tests, there is a git repo on the image-sig that points to it. I wasn't really careful with some of the things (and I would even consider redoing some of them), but only one or two people got a copy of it so apparently people don't want/need it on python 3.0 just yet (not it alone at least). Cheers, Daniel -- Psss, psss, put it down! - http://www.cafepress.com/putitdown ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/ggpolo%40gmail.com -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Daniel Fetchinson fetchin...@googlemail.com wrote: Summer of Code is ramping up. Every year the common complaint is that not enough Python core projects get proposed by students, and of course a big reason for that is often the only encouragement we offer prospective students is a link to the PEP index. So let's make this year different. Accepted students are paid a total of $4500 to work for roughly 30 hours a week, 12 weeks, on their proposed project. The challenge is finding project ideas for them that could reasonably occupy them for the entire Summer and which the results of their work can be demonstrated. They're being paid for specific projects so Spend the Summer fixing bugs on the tracker is a no-go, and Google has outlined that Summer of Code is about code, not documentation. I've seen and heard that a lot of work is still needed on http://svn.python.org/view/python/trunk both during the 3.1 release cycle, optimization possible all over the place. It'd be great if those of you working closely with this can shout out some ideas, brainstorm a bit. PSF was announced as one of the mentoring orgs today, this week before student applications are open is for students to talk to their prospective mentors and iron out the wrinkles in their plans, so there's not much time to get core project ideas together. How about porting PIL to 3.0? There were many such requests on python-list and image-sig (including mine :)) I have ported it to the stage where its tests passes (which are far from covering all the code) and some of my own tests, there is a git repo on the image-sig that points to it. I wasn't really careful with some of the things (and I would even consider redoing some of them), but only one or two people got a copy of it so apparently people don't want/need it on python 3.0 just yet (not it alone at least). I did a git clone git://gpolo.ath.cx/pil-py3k.git but it failed: gpolo.ath.cx[0: 189.7.18.241]: errno=Connection timed out fatal: unable to connect a socket (Connection timed out) fetch-pack from 'git://gpolo.ath.cx/pil-py3k.git' failed. Thanks for noticing that, maybe more people had this same problem then, I will consider using github or some similar service (or maybe take the chance to bazaar, or mercurial, or svn, or..). By the way the reason I think few people checked it out is that people mostly are waiting for an official PIL release that is known to be stable. Did you try making your port part of the official PIL distribution? I have talked with Fredrik, he said he would be running it on another test suite to check how much of it really works. But, no, I didn't really try pushing it to be integrated into the next PIL release and it also wouldn't be possible without distributing a py3k version only -- I didn't do the port with the ability to work in python 3.x and python 2.x but this can be arranged. Cheers, Daniel -- Psss, psss, put it down! - http://www.cafepress.com/putitdown Regards, -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-ideas] Adding a test discovery into Python
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Raymond Hettinger pyt...@rcn.com wrote: [Christian Heimes] I'm +1 for a simple (!) test discovery system. I'm emphasizing on simple because there are enough frameworks for elaborate unit testing. Test discovery is not the interesting part of the problem. Interesting or not, it is a problem that is asking for a solution, this kind of code is being duplicated in several places for no good reason. Axiom: The more work involved in writing tests, the fewer tests that will get written. At some point you will have to run them too, I don't think you want to reimplement the discovery part yet another time. -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] draft 3.1 release schedule
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Brad Miller millb...@luther.edu wrote: On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Would whoever is responsible for IDLE please take a look at the patches I submitted for Python 2 3 [tracker IDs 5233 and 5234 respectively]. These change the behavior of IDLE so that IDLESTARTUP or PYTHONSTARTUP files are executed with each restart. This allows loading frequently used packages, personal utilities, etc. automatically at each restart. I consider this a very important problem in IDLE, especially when using it to teach. Just to put this into perspective: I personally don't see that as a very important problem. I didn't know IDLESTARTUP existed, and I use PYTHONSTARTUP only for the command line (to setup readline and history). I think there are many more open issues that are *way* more important. Martin, No disrespect intended but I don't see how this puts things into perspective. I'm writing to you from the annual computer science education conference (SIGCSE) where Python is clearly gaining ground as an important language for teaching computer science. It seems logical to me that the committers are high powered Python users who don't think much about Python being used in education. I'm just as frustrated as Mitchell about a patch for displaying ranges and dict_keys/values objects in a more user friendly way. I submitted this patch during the 3.0 alpha phase and it is still sitting around. For me this is a serious problem, but I can understand how it seems pretty minor to others, who are not teaching new programmers. So what is the solution? The obvious solution is for one of us, that is someone who uses Python as an education tool, to become a committer. This seems problematic to me. Although I'm willing to be a committer, and I'm confident I have the development skills necessary to be a committer I don't have the time to develop the resume of patches needed to earn that privilege. It would be nice if we could find some solution to this. Or... IDLE could be taken out from Python. Tkinter is following the same path too, sadly. My hope is that by removing IDLE from Python it would bring new developers that are not necessary python developers (by this I mean developers of python itself). I changed IDLE quite a bit last year, but I'm not sure if anyone cared enough to look at it (added tabs, ttk support, themes, window relayout, and some other things), and I don't think continuing with it in the stdlib is bringing any benefits. I have commit access, and although I have been inactive for two or three weeks (maybe a bit more) now, I have submitted plenty of fixes for tkinter which are mostly reviewed by Martin, and only, Martin -- when he has time to review or when the fix hits some level of important enough to be looked at. I could just commit these fixes, but some people would hate me then because I didn't let anyone review, so I don't really think adding more new committers will bring the benefits you are expecting. A different problem also present in both tkinter and IDLE is the lack of tests. Brad This is not to say that the patch should not applied - I haven't even looked at it. It's just a warning that, if no other committer feels this is as important as you fell it is, it may not be committed reviewed and committed before 3.1. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/bmiller%40luther.edu -- Brad Miller Assistant Professor, Computer Science Luther College ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/ggpolo%40gmail.com -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Tkinter problem in Python 3
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Klaus Müller kgmul...@xs4all.nl wrote: Hi! I am the lead developer of SimPy (http://simpy.sourceforge.net) . Currently, I am porting SimPy to Python 3. SimPy provides Tk/Tkinter-based GUI and plot facilities. I find that import Tkinter does not work in Python 3, only import tkinter. What are the changes for Tkinter under Python 3? Tkinter lives in a real package now, named tkinter. Besides that it hasn't changed much, but this list is inappropriate for this, may I ask you to move the questions related to tkinter to the tkinter-discuss list ? Thanks for your help! Klaus Müller Regards, -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] test_tk failing
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 6:59 AM, Raymond Hettinger pyt...@rcn.com wrote:
C:\py27py27 lib\test\regrtest.py -uall test_tk
test_tk
test test_tk failed -- Traceback (most recent call last):
File c:\py27\lib\lib-tk\test\test_tkinter\test_text.py, line 32, in
test_search
self.failUnlessEqual(text.search('-test', '1.0', 'end'), '1.2')
AssertionError: textindex object at 0140D708 != '1.2'
1 test failed:
test_tk
[35724 refs]
C:\py31py31 lib\test\regrtest.py -uall test_tk
test_tk
test test_tk failed -- Traceback (most recent call last):
File c:\py31\lib\tkinter\test\test_tkinter\test_text.py, line 32, in
test_search
self.failUnlessEqual(text.search('-test', '1.0', 'end'), '1.2')
AssertionError: textindex object at 0x010A33F0 != '1.2'
1 test failed:
test_tk
[73837 refs]
http://bugs.python.org/issue5193
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Re: [Python-Dev] regrtest hangs on test_tk_guionly
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Eric Smith e...@trueblade.com wrote: In the trunk, test_tk_guionly test_ttk_guionly, right ? hangs if I run it through regrtest. This is on a Fedora Core 6 box, without X installed. Does it hang if you run it alone through regrtest, or, together with all the other tests ? If I run test_tk_guionly directly, it exits saying there's no DISPLAY set, which is what I'd expect: --8-- [trunk]$ ./python Lib/test/test_ttk_guionly.py Traceback (most recent call last): File Lib/test/test_ttk_guionly.py, line 11, in module raise test_support.TestSkipped(ttk not available: %s % msg) test.test_support.TestSkipped: ttk not available: no display name and no $DISPLAY environment variable [29788 refs] --8-- If I run regrtest with (or without) -v, it hangs without any output from test_tk_guionly: --8-- ... OK test_transformer Test multiple targets on the left hand side. ... ok -- Ran 1 test in 0.020s OK test_ttk_guionly hangs here --8-- I'm not seeing a problem in the py3k branch. There, test_tk_guionly is skipped: --8-- test_ttk_guionly test_ttk_guionly skipped -- ttk not available: no display name and no $DISPLAY environment variable --8-- I'm not sure how to further isolate this, since I can't duplicate it when running the test by itself. I'm mostly curious if anyone else is seeing this problem. If it's just me, I'll just switch to a Mac, where the problem doesn't occur (if for no other reason, because ttk is not available). If others are seeing a problem, I'll spend some time isolating it. Is anyone else seeing this problem? I've noticed it, it is on http://bugs.python.org/issue5122 The second part of the issue description is actually unrelated to the problem (or at least I'm almost sure it is), so you may discard it. I wasn't able to duplicate it here, but I could try installing fedora here to try reproducing and see if I can solve it. Eric. -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] regrtest hangs on test_tk_guionly
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Eric Smith e...@trueblade.com wrote: If it's just me, I'll just switch to a Mac, where the problem doesn't occur (if for no other reason, because ttk is not available). If others are seeing a problem, I'll spend some time isolating it. If you move to Mac then you may end with an abort :) See http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/all/OS%20X%20x86%20trunk/builds/99/step-test/0 I tried asking emailing noller to ask what tcl is installed on that mac but I got no answer, so in this case the buildslave serves me no purpose. Apparently it doesn't happen all the time (after a change on how the tcl interpreter was being created in the tests) but it still happens sometimes. I also opened an issue for this, see: http://bugs.python.org/issue5120, I ended up closing it after checking that this noller buildslave stopped aborting but it still happens from time to time. -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] regrtest hangs on test_tk_guionly
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Eric Smith e...@trueblade.com wrote: If you think my issue is related to 5122, I'll reply to that issue and move the discussion there. I can test on a Fedora 10 box, too. Eric, I've followed the amd64 gentoo trunk buildslave and noticed it took a very long time on test_tcl (or test_ttk_guionly) and then ended up getting the error described in the issue. As I see, the test hanged and buildslave decided to quit. -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Broken Test -- test_distutils
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Raymond Hettinger pyt...@rcn.com wrote:
In the past couple of days, test_distutils started failing. It looks like a
pure python error and may have been introduced by guilherme.polo's checkins:
File c:\py27\lib\distutils\tests\test_sdist.py, line 119, in
test_make_distr
ibution
spawn('tar --help')
File c:\py27\lib\distutils\spawn.py, line 37, in spawn
_spawn_nt(cmd, search_path, dry_run=dry_run)
File c:\py27\lib\distutils\spawn.py, line 70, in _spawn_nt
cmd = _nt_quote_args(cmd)
File c:\py27\lib\distutils\spawn.py, line 61, in _nt_quote_args
args[i] = '%s' % args[i]
TypeError: 'str' object does not support item assignment
1 test failed:
test_distutils
How did my commits introduced that error ?
Raymond
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Re: [Python-Dev] operator.itemgetter with a callback method
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Alexandre Fiori fio...@gmail.com wrote:
hello
i was thinking about a possible improvement for the itemgetter
the documentation page shows simple examples like sorting a dictionary by
its integer values
Hi,
Sorry for starting like this but ideas are supposed to be emailed to
the python-ideas maillist.
.
.
in order for that sort (and possibly a lot of other things) to work
properly, we could add
a callback method for itemgetter, like this:
class itemgetter:
def __init__(self, index, callback=None):
self.index = index
self.callback = callback
def __call__(self, item):
return self.callback and self.callback(item[self.index]) or
item[self.index]
so, we could easly sort by the amount of data in each list, like this:
sorted(friends.items(), key=itemgetter(1, callback=len))
[('john', ['max']), ('alex', ['bob', 'jane']), ('foo', ['bar', 'steve',
'linda'])]
what do you guys think about it? please correct me if i'm wrong.
You are not forced to use itemgetter as a key in sorted, you can
provide your own key method, like this:
def x(item):
return len(item[1])
sorted(friends.items(), key=x)
Also, your idea ruins the name itemgetter since it is no longer a itemgetter.
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Re: [Python-Dev] [capi-sig] Exceptions with additional instance variables
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 10:06 AM, chojra...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 03:29, Guilherme Polo ggp...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:02 PM, chojra...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
I'm trying to implement custom exception that have to carry some
useful info by means of instance members, to be used like:
try:
// some code
except MyException, data:
// use data.errorcode, data.errorcategory, data.errorlevel,
data.errormessage and some others
The question is - how to implement the instance variables with
PyErr_NewException?
Using PyErr_NewException is fine. You must understand that an
exception is a class, and thus PyErr_NewException creates one for you
and returns it.
Just like you would do with a class that has __dict__, set some
attributes to what you want. That is, use PyObject_SetAttrString or
something more appropriated for you.
Ok so I did the following. In init function (forget refcounting and
error checking for a moment ;-)
PyObject *dict = PyDict_New();
PyDict_SetItemString(dict, errorcode, PyInt_FromLong(0));
static PyObject *myexception =
PyErr_NewException(module.MyException, NULL, dict);
You do not really have to create a dict here, one will be created for
you if you pass a NULL there.
PyModule_AddObject(module, MyException, myexception);
It worked more or less as expected, the help shown:
| --
| Data and other attributes defined here:
|
| errorcode = 0
|
| --
Then I did the following when raising the exception:
PyObject_SetAttrString(myexception, errorcode, PyInt_FromLong(111));
PyErr_SetString(myexception, Bad thing happened);
return NULL;
and the test code was:
try:
do_bad_thing();
except MyException, data:
and you surely already guessed it -- data.errorcode was 0 Not only
that, module.MyException.errorcode was also 0...
What I'm doing wrong? I certainly don't get the idea of exceptions in
Python, especially what is being raised - a class or an instance?
There are two forms raise can take, both will end up involving a class
and a intsance.
If
the latter - how's the class instantiated?
You can call a class to instantiate it.
If not - what about values
in different threads? The docs are so vague about that...
Thanks again in advance,
Chojrak
Again, an exception is a class, so you could create a new type in C,
and do anything you wanted. But you probably don't want to create a
new type to achieve this, so there are two simple ways I'm going to
paste below:
#include Python.h
static PyObject *MyErr;
static PyMethodDef module_methods[] = {
{raise_test, (PyCFunction)raise_test, METH_NOARGS, NULL},
{NULL},
};
PyMODINIT_FUNC
initfancy_exc(void)
{
PyObject *m;
m = Py_InitModule(fancy_exc, module_methods);
if (m == NULL)
return;
MyErr = PyErr_NewException(fancy_exc.err, NULL, NULL);
Py_INCREF(MyErr);
if (PyModule_AddObject(m, err, MyErr) 0)
return;
}
the raise_test function is missing, pick one of these:
static PyObject *
raise_test(PyObject *self)
{
PyObject_SetAttrString(MyErr, code, PyInt_FromLong(42));
PyObject_SetAttrString(MyErr, category, PyString_FromString(nice
one));
PyErr_SetString(MyErr, All is good, I hope);
return NULL;
}
or
static PyObject *
raise_test(PyObject *self)
{
PyObject *t = PyTuple_New(3);
PyTuple_SetItem(t, 0, PyString_FromString(error message));
PyTuple_SetItem(t, 1, PyInt_FromLong(10));
PyTuple_SetItem(t, 2, PyString_FromString(category name here));
PyErr_SetObject(MyErr, t);
Py_DECREF(t);
return NULL;
}
In this second form you check for the args attribute of the exception.
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Re: [Python-Dev] [capi-sig] Exceptions with additional instance variables
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Guilherme Polo ggp...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 10:06 AM, chojra...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 03:29, Guilherme Polo ggp...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:02 PM, chojra...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
I'm trying to implement custom exception that have to carry some
useful info by means of instance members, to be used like:
try:
// some code
except MyException, data:
// use data.errorcode, data.errorcategory, data.errorlevel,
data.errormessage and some others
The question is - how to implement the instance variables with
PyErr_NewException?
Using PyErr_NewException is fine. You must understand that an
exception is a class, and thus PyErr_NewException creates one for you
and returns it.
Just like you would do with a class that has __dict__, set some
attributes to what you want. That is, use PyObject_SetAttrString or
something more appropriated for you.
Ok so I did the following. In init function (forget refcounting and
error checking for a moment ;-)
PyObject *dict = PyDict_New();
PyDict_SetItemString(dict, errorcode, PyInt_FromLong(0));
static PyObject *myexception =
PyErr_NewException(module.MyException, NULL, dict);
You do not really have to create a dict here, one will be created for
you if you pass a NULL there.
PyModule_AddObject(module, MyException, myexception);
It worked more or less as expected, the help shown:
| --
| Data and other attributes defined here:
|
| errorcode = 0
|
| --
Then I did the following when raising the exception:
PyObject_SetAttrString(myexception, errorcode, PyInt_FromLong(111));
PyErr_SetString(myexception, Bad thing happened);
return NULL;
and the test code was:
try:
do_bad_thing();
except MyException, data:
and you surely already guessed it -- data.errorcode was 0 Not only
that, module.MyException.errorcode was also 0...
What I'm doing wrong? I certainly don't get the idea of exceptions in
Python, especially what is being raised - a class or an instance?
There are two forms raise can take, both will end up involving a class
and a intsance.
If
the latter - how's the class instantiated?
You can call a class to instantiate it.
If not - what about values
in different threads? The docs are so vague about that...
Thanks again in advance,
Chojrak
Again, an exception is a class, so you could create a new type in C,
and do anything you wanted. But you probably don't want to create a
new type to achieve this
By creating a type I mean one that involves defining a tp_init, and
everything else your type needs, not about the simple one created by
PyErr_NewException.
, so there are two simple ways I'm going to
paste below:
#include Python.h
static PyObject *MyErr;
static PyMethodDef module_methods[] = {
{raise_test, (PyCFunction)raise_test, METH_NOARGS, NULL},
{NULL},
};
PyMODINIT_FUNC
initfancy_exc(void)
{
PyObject *m;
m = Py_InitModule(fancy_exc, module_methods);
if (m == NULL)
return;
MyErr = PyErr_NewException(fancy_exc.err, NULL, NULL);
Py_INCREF(MyErr);
if (PyModule_AddObject(m, err, MyErr) 0)
return;
}
the raise_test function is missing, pick one of these:
static PyObject *
raise_test(PyObject *self)
{
PyObject_SetAttrString(MyErr, code, PyInt_FromLong(42));
PyObject_SetAttrString(MyErr, category, PyString_FromString(nice
one));
PyErr_SetString(MyErr, All is good, I hope);
return NULL;
}
or
static PyObject *
raise_test(PyObject *self)
{
PyObject *t = PyTuple_New(3);
PyTuple_SetItem(t, 0, PyString_FromString(error message));
PyTuple_SetItem(t, 1, PyInt_FromLong(10));
PyTuple_SetItem(t, 2, PyString_FromString(category name here));
PyErr_SetObject(MyErr, t);
Py_DECREF(t);
return NULL;
}
In this second form you check for the args attribute of the exception.
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Re: [Python-Dev] Py3k: magical dir()
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Dmitry Vasiliev d...@hlabs.spb.ru wrote: Hello! I think it's a strange behavior: Python 3.1a0 (py3k:67851, Dec 19 2008, 16:50:32) [GCC 4.0.3 (Ubuntu 4.0.3-1ubuntu5)] on linux2 Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. hash(range(10)) Traceback (most recent call last): File stdin, line 1, in module TypeError: unhashable type: 'range' dir(range(10)) ['__class__', '__delattr__', '__doc__', '__eq__', '__format__', '__ge__', '__getattribute__', '__getitem__', '__gt__', '__hash__', '__init__', '__iter__', '__le__', '__len__', '__lt__', '__ne__', '__new__', '__reduce__', '__reduce_ex__', '__repr__', '__reversed__', '__setattr__', '__sizeof__', '__str__', '__subclasshook__'] hash(range(10)) -1211318616 hash(range(1000)) -1211318472 There are other ways to reproduce it without using dir, like range(10).__class__; hash(range(10)) Is there some reason no set tp_hash for rangeobject to PyObject_HashNotImplemented ? -- Dmitry Vasiliev (dima at hlabs.spb.ru) http://hlabs.spb.ru -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] building Tcl/Tk to deploy on other platforms?
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 8:42 PM, chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I built Python 2.5.2 on RedHat3 and wrapped it up with some other stuff that was deployed on RedHat4. When trying to fire up Idle on RedHat4, there is an error that states a usable init.tcl cannot be found. Then you have to set the TCL_LIBRARY environment variable, it should point to the directory that contains the correct init.tcl file. If it then complains about not finding tk.tcl, then you have to set the TK_LIBRARY env var too. Python is built on RedHat3 against Tcl/Tk 8.3, so even installing Tcl/Tk on RedHat4 would not work, as it is 8.4. I've noticed when Python is installed on Windows, all the necessary stuff is also installed in the Python25 directory. Is there a similar way to do this on linux? Adjust the TCL_LIBRARY and TK_LIBRARY as needed. Thanks, -Chris ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/ggpolo%40gmail.com -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] building Tcl/Tk to deploy on other platforms?
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 9:51 PM, Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adjust the TCL_LIBRARY and TK_LIBRARY as needed. We should also point out that the FixTk module already does that, but is imported only on Windows. So if you arrange to always import FixTk, then it should Just Work. It would Just Work if you had python and tcl/tk installed with the same paths as the ones used by the windows installer. Regards, Martin -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] datetime.date.today() raises AttributeError: time
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Tal Einat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Steve Holden wrote:
Tal Einat wrote:
It this desired behavior?
At the very least the exception should be more detailed, perhaps to
the point of suggesting the probable cause of the error (i.e.
overriding the time module).
How is this different from any other case where you import a module with
a standard library name conflict, thereby confusing modules loaded later
standard library. Should we do the same for any error induced in such a way?
The difference is that here the exception is generated directly in the
C code so you don't get an intelligible traceback. The C code for
datetime imports the time module via the Python C API.
In other words, here a function from a module in the stdlib, datetime,
barfs unexpectedly because I happen to have a file name time.py
hanging around in some directory. There is no traceback and no
intelligible exception message, just AttributeError: time. I had to
dig through datetime's C code to figure out which module was being
imported via the Python C API, which turned out to be time.
Just like Steve told you, this isn't different from other cases. But,
at least you get a message a bit more verbose in most cases, like:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File stdin, line 1, in module
AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'time'
Then I went to look why this wasn't happening with datetime too, and I
found out that PyObject_CallMethod in abstract.c re sets the exception
message that would have been set by PyObject_GetAttr by now. Maybe
someone can tell me why it is doing that, for now a patch is attached
here (I didn't resist to not remove two trailing whitespaces).
This is rare enough that I've never had something like this happen to
me in seven years of heavy Python programming.
- Tal
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Index: Objects/abstract.c
===
--- Objects/abstract.c (revision 67226)
+++ Objects/abstract.c (working copy)
@@ -2575,13 +2575,11 @@
return null_error();
func = PyObject_GetAttrString(o, name);
- if (func == NULL) {
- PyErr_SetString(PyExc_AttributeError, name);
- return 0;
- }
+ if (func == NULL)
+ return NULL;
if (!PyCallable_Check(func)) {
- type_error(attribute of type '%.200s' is not callable, func);
+ type_error(attribute of type '%.200s' is not callable, func);
goto exit;
}
@@ -2614,13 +2612,11 @@
return null_error();
func = PyObject_GetAttrString(o, name);
- if (func == NULL) {
- PyErr_SetString(PyExc_AttributeError, name);
- return 0;
- }
+ if (func == NULL)
+ return NULL;
if (!PyCallable_Check(func)) {
- type_error(attribute of type '%.200s' is not callable, func);
+ type_error(attribute of type '%.200s' is not callable, func);
goto exit;
}
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[Python-Dev] setitimer, getitimer wrapper (issue2240)
Hello, It has been some time since some discussion happened on http://bugs.python.org/issue2240, and I intended to compose this email several days ago but just did it now. This is an attempt to find someone who might have some information/idea that could help solving the current problem regarding the setitimer/getitimer wrapper under FreeBSD (and maybe somewhere else?). The current problem is that the virtual and prof itimers, in some occasions, may never finish, and as I remember from talking with Trent Nelson, the problem showed up when running all the tests but not when running the test_signal alone. So, that is it.. any solutions ? :) Regards, -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Python FAQ: Why doesn't Python have a with statement?
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Cesare Di Mauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In data 14 giugno 2008 alle ore 21:33:40, Georg Brandl [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: So what is the advantage to b = Button(self) b.text = QUIT b.fg = red b.command = self.quit ? Georg In this example there are many assignaments, so there aren't many advantages. But this t = ScrolledText.ScrolledText(master, width=60, height=37) t.insert(Tkinter.END, self.log.getText()) t.configure(state=Tkinter.DISABLED) t.see(Tkinter.END) t.pack(fill=Tkinter.BOTH) can look like: on Tkinter: on ScrolledText.ScrolledText(master, width=60, height=37): insert(END, self.log.getText()) configure(state=DISABLED) see(END) pack(fill=BOTH) Then you have to start guessing from where these names came from. Cesare Di Mauro ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/ggpolo%40gmail.com -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Modules for 2.6 inclusion
2008/6/6 Georg Brandl [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, PEP 361 lists the following modules for possible inclusion in 2.6 (next to pyprocessing, which is now accepted): - winerror http://python.org/sf/1505257 (Owner: MAL) This patch has been marked as rejected, so I'll remove the entry from the PEP. - setuptools BDFL pronouncement for inclusion in 2.5: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2006-April/063964.html PJE's withdrawal from 2.5 for inclusion in 2.6: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2006-April/064145.html I guess this will be deferred? - ast http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2008-April/078950.html If there's no objection, I'll go over the interface with Thomas, who's working on AST optimization for 2.7, to make sure the ast interface can stay the same after his branch is merged, write the docs and commit it before beta1. - bdist_deb in distutils package http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2006-February/060926.html - bdist_egg in distutils package - pure python pgen module (Owner: Guido) Deferral to 2.6: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2006-April/064528.html I created an issue 1 week ago (http://bugs.python.org/issue2983) suggesting the addition of the ttk module to lib-tk, and to the new tkinter package. Is there any chance to this be accepted for Python 2.6 ? There are also several other possible todo items in PEP 361, but they all look as if they are not required to be in before beta1. Georg -- Thus spake the Lord: Thou shalt indent with four spaces. No more, no less. Four shall be the number of spaces thou shalt indent, and the number of thy indenting shall be four. Eight shalt thou not indent, nor either indent thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to four. Tabs are right out. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/ggpolo%40gmail.com -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Modules for 2.6 inclusion
2008/6/6 Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I created an issue 1 week ago (http://bugs.python.org/issue2983) suggesting the addition of the ttk module to lib-tk, and to the new tkinter package. Is there any chance to this be accepted for Python 2.6 ? Is it complete? In principle, it's for the mentor to decide (who would need to decide before the first beta, of course - afterwards it's for the release manager to decide). It is complete Martin. But I will wait for Fredrik's decision then, not sure if it will be soon enough tho. Regards, Martin -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] on Python's tests (and making them better)
2008/6/6 Ron Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Martin v. Löwis wrote: How does 1 directory scale when one day you have possibly thousands of tests? I find this a theoretical question. It took 18 years to arrive at 500 test files. Assuming a linear growth, we get 1000 tests in 2025, and 2000 tests in 2060. People can worry about reorganizing them then. Personally I'd like to see packages have their own test directory. This keeps things related to each other together. Top level modules of course would have their tests in the top level test directory as they are now. I really dislike having a test directory inside a python package. You have my -1 on that idea. I don't see any need to subdivide tests further than that. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/ggpolo%40gmail.com -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Please svnmerge your changes
2008/5/25 Christian Heimes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello fellow developers! I've been busy with personal work in the past weeks. At present I'm still moving into my new apartment. It has been a real challenge to install an IKEA kitchen in a house built before WW2 all by myself. On the one hand it's fun but on the other hand it costs me most of my free time at night. At least this building has a shelter in its cellar so I'm mostly protected in the case of an air strike. *g* In order to get all code merged before the first betas I need your help. Please everybody grab a couple of your checkins and merge them yourself. You can find the list of required merges at http://rafb.net/p/cghbTk63.html I see there is one commit of mine that shouldn't be merged, maybe you could remove it from there ? Christian Thanks, -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Python-Dev] Possible problem that may be caused by Tkinter renaming
Hello, I smell a problem caused by this line at tkinter/__init__.py: tkinter = _tkinter # b/w compat for export This was fine when tkinter was a Tkinter module, but I believe it would be better to rename this to something else. Given that python has a lot of users, I'm sure you will be able to find all sort of crazy things over the internet and one of them could be: import tkinter from tkinter import * something = tkinter._default_root Which is not that crazy at all, for some values of crazy, but will fail now. Regards, -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Possible problem that may be caused by Tkinter renaming
2008/5/17 Guilherme Polo [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, I smell a problem caused by this line at tkinter/__init__.py: tkinter = _tkinter # b/w compat for export Georg and me decided to remove that line as a solution to this problem. This was fine when tkinter was a Tkinter module, but I believe it would be better to rename this to something else. Given that python has a lot of users, I'm sure you will be able to find all sort of crazy things over the internet and one of them could be: import tkinter from tkinter import * something = tkinter._default_root Which is not that crazy at all, for some values of crazy, but will fail now. Regards, -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] heads up on svn.python.org ssh keys - debian/ubuntu users may need new ones
2008/5/13 Gregory P. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Heads up. Debian screwed up. As a result all ssh and ssl keys generated in the last 18 months on debian and ubuntu systems may be compromised due to not using a good random number generator seed. http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2008/msg00152.html and http://www.links.org/?p=327 If you generated your python subversion ssh key during this time on a machine fitting the description above, please consider replacing your keys. apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade on debian will provide you with a ssh-vulnkey program that can be used to test if your ssh keys are valid or not. Thanks for pointing it out Gregory. ssh-vulnkey says most of my keys are compromised, including the one used for python's svn. -gps ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/ggpolo%40gmail.com -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Python-Dev] lib2to3, need some light on the imports fixer
Hello, Would someone tell me how can I add a new entry in the MAPPING dict in the lib2to3/fixes/fix_imports.py that does the following: import A gets fixed as import C.D as A Right now it is fixing by doing import C.D and changing several other lines in the code to use this new C.D name. I wanted to avoid these changes if possible. Regards, -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] How to help out with PEP 3108
2008/5/11 Brett Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have tried to update PEP 3108 (http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3108/) as best as I can to list what needs to be done for each module in order to get it removed if there is some extra step. The ones without comment most likely need no special work and thus I can take care of really quickly myself (have it down to instinct at this point). But anything with special needs I would appreciate the help in dealing with. I have also tried to make the steps necessary to deal with the various modules as clear as possible in the PEP itself. Although I created issue 2775 to track stuff, it is probably wiser to create individual issues for the modules that require any form of work to deal with. Just make sure that if you do that you make it a dependency in issue 2775 (and if you can, list it in the PEP). I would like to not have to hold up the betas just because of this PEP, but I don't know if I can finish the PEP completely on my own. So help is appreciated. Thanks to anyone who can help (or who already have)! -Brett Hi Brett, I've sent a patch regarding the move of Tkinter to the tkinter package. But I'm in doubt about stub modules for this case, I'm not sure if using lib-old is good for Tkinter specifically, since lib-tk is included in sys.path. How should I proceed on this ? -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC Student Introduction, again
2008/5/10 Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've already wrapped all the Ttk functionality by now, and I will complete the documentation till the first betas. But as you know there isn't much people using (I know myself and a Tcl guy) so I'm not sure if it would be acceptable to include this module right into these betas, or would it be ? Should I start doing something more/else ? No. My question really was whether you see any reason not to bundle Tk 8.5 with Python 2.6 (on Windows). No reasons that I'm aware of, Martin. I haven't tested it under Windows myself but given that it is not supposed to break tk 8.4 apps and I haven't experienced bugs here in Linux, I would say it is a safe bet to start bundling Tk 8.5 within the first betas. Whether or not the Ttk API is exposed is a different matter - you might consider providing it as a distutils package. Regards, Martin Thanks, -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC Student Introduction, again
2008/5/8 Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Regarding the project, I expect it to be integrated into Python's stdlib sometime in the future, I believe it will be in very good shape before binaries compiled against tcl/tk 8.5 start showing up. Actually, I would like to release Python 2.6 and 3.0 on Windows with Tk 8.5 included, preferably starting at the next betas. Would you see a problem with that? I've already wrapped all the Ttk functionality by now, and I will complete the documentation till the first betas. But as you know there isn't much people using (I know myself and a Tcl guy) so I'm not sure if it would be acceptable to include this module right into these betas, or would it be ? Should I start doing something more/else ? Regards, Martin Thanks, -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Python-Dev] GSoC Student Introduction, again
Hi, I have been accepted as a student for GSoC and I'm already working in my project, Bringing Ttk to Tkinter. This is my second GSoC, first time in PSF, and it has been awesome to have Fredrik Lundh as mentor, we have talked a lot and he is a very nice person. Regarding the project, I expect it to be integrated into Python's stdlib sometime in the future, I believe it will be in very good shape before binaries compiled against tcl/tk 8.5 start showing up. I've put a site that contains all the information available, which may be of interest, at http://gpolo.ath.cx:81/projects/ttk_to_tkinter/ and will be updating it as necessary. There is also a repo you may take a look: http://svn.python.org/view/sandbox/trunk/ttk-gsoc/ Thank you all, -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC Student Introduction
2008/4/23, Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: See http://python.org/dev/bazaar/ for info. And if you have any other issues feel free to ask, Nick. I certainly can't speak for the respective mentors, but I feel that use bazaar really isn't the right answer to can I get commit access? One motivation for GSoC is also community bonding, and having the mentor (but not *only* the mentor) comment on the proposed changes, and monitor the progress of the project. That the development branch sits on the student's laptop doesn't really help in that process. Instead, the student would have to push the branch somewhere to a web-visible location. Now I question whether it's the student's obligation to find a server himself, or whether the mentoring org should provide the infrastructure (or, failing that, Google (*)). So I think an answer to the question above involving bazaar might be yes, but please don't commit to subversion, but only to the bazaar repository. Hi Martin, What is the point on having a branch in the svn repo if you won't be able to commit ? Maybe I misunderstood what you said, so maybe could you clarify that answer ? Regards, Martin (*) FWIW, Google does provide the infrastructure; students are encouraged (required?) to commit their work to code.google.com. It is required to submit the final and complete work done during GSoC to a project under code.google.com. That project will be automatically created after gsoc ends. But yeh, we could create another project there to use as a repo for the summer. And thank you, James Tauber, effbot and everyone else that accepted me as a student this year too. I guess I should create a new thread to introduce myself and my project =) Thanks, ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/ggpolo%40gmail.com -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC Student Introduction
2008/4/23 Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What is the point on having a branch in the svn repo if you won't be able to commit ? Maybe I misunderstood what you said, so maybe could you clarify that answer ? What I meant is this: you need commit privileges regardless of whether you are going to use bazaar or subversion (i.e. even for bazaar, you still need commit privileges). So if mentors favor usage of bazaar over subversion, they still need to arrange their students to get commit privileges, and then ask them not to use these privileges for subversion, but only for bazaar (because we only have a single set of credentials that we manage). I see, thanks for clearing it up. But, what about giving students a branch in the svn and instructing them to commit only there ? (Chris mentioned this two emails ago). If for some reason svn is not the way to go, then I'm happy in using bazaar for commits anyway. Also, are you (PSF) planning to do this now or just at the official gsoc start ? And, is there some internal discussion going on to decide if students are going to get a branch or something at python repositories ? HTH, Martin -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Dates wrong on front page of pydotorg
2008/4/4, Martin Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Did anyone else notice that the dates are incorrect in the news items on the front page? As an example: Published: Mon, 4 Apr 2008 which should be Published: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 I'll poke around and see if I can figure it out. There is a file (newsindex.yml) which contains the news items. The publication date is hand written so it is just a typo from whoever commited that news item with that publication date. I just fixed it (as you pointed out). Thanks ;) Anyway, did you send this to the wrong list or was it intentional ? Regards, Cheers //M ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/ggpolo%40gmail.com -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] How best to handle test_errno?
2008/3/13, Brett Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am going through my backlog of GHOP work and noticed that test_errno is essentially a no-op at the moment. I was wondering if anyone knew if there are any guaranteed values for the errno module? If not, the test current says that Linux has all the values; is that really true? -Brett Half-answering your email.. ENOTOBACCO is missing here, Linux. -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Auto-Assignment
2008/3/7, Thomas Heller [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Martin v. Löwis schrieb: Thomas Heller wrote: Martin v. Löwis schrieb: I just implemented auto-assignment for the tracker, i.e. a component can be linked to a developer so that issues mentioning the component get assigned to that developer (unless an explicit assignment is made). You can autoassign ctypes issues to me, as you might have guessed. ctypes is currently not a component in the tracker. Should it be one? Hm, I didn't see that. What is a components, and do you think it should be one? Thomas Hi Thomas, When you create a new issue, you have to select a component from a list, those are the available components. -- -- Guilherme H. Polo Goncalves ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
