Re: [Python-Dev] ICU
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Alexander Belopolsky alexander.belopol...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Oh, about ICU: Actually, I remember you saying that locale should ideally be replaced with a wrapper around the ICU library. By that, I stand - however, I have given up the hope that this will happen anytime soon. Perhaps this could be made a GSOC topic. Incidentally, this may also address another Python's Achilles' heel: the timezone support. http://icu-project.org/download/icutzu.html I work with people who speak highly of ICU, so I want to encourage work in this area. At the same time, I'm skeptical -- IIRC, ICU is a large amount of C++ code. I don't know how easy it will be to integrate this into our build processes for various platforms, nor how Pythonic the resulting APIs will look to the experienced Python user. Still, those are not roadblocks, the benefits are potentially great, so it's definitely worth investigating! -- --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido) ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] ICU
On Dec 1, 2010, at 11:45 PM, Alexander Belopolsky wrote: On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Oh, about ICU: Actually, I remember you saying that locale should ideally be replaced with a wrapper around the ICU library. By that, I stand - however, I have given up the hope that this will happen anytime soon. Perhaps this could be made a GSOC topic. Incidentally, this may also address another Python's Achilles' heel: the timezone support. http://icu-project.org/download/icutzu.html Does ICU do anything regarding timezones that datetime + pytz doesn't already do? Wouldn't it make more sense to integrate the already-existing-and-pythonic pytz into Python than to make a new wrapper based on ICU? James ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] ICU
2010/12/2 Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org: On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Alexander Belopolsky alexander.belopol...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Oh, about ICU: Actually, I remember you saying that locale should ideally be replaced with a wrapper around the ICU library. By that, I stand - however, I have given up the hope that this will happen anytime soon. Perhaps this could be made a GSOC topic. Incidentally, this may also address another Python's Achilles' heel: the timezone support. http://icu-project.org/download/icutzu.html I work with people who speak highly of ICU, so I want to encourage work in this area. At the same time, I'm skeptical -- IIRC, ICU is a large amount of C++ code. I don't know how easy it will be to integrate this into our build processes for various platforms, nor how Pythonic the resulting APIs will look to the experienced Python user. There's a nice C-API. -- Regards, Benjamin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] ICU
At 07:47 AM 12/2/2010 -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Alexander Belopolsky alexander.belopol...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Oh, about ICU: Actually, I remember you saying that locale should ideally be replaced with a wrapper around the ICU library. By that, I stand - however, I have given up the hope that this will happen anytime soon. Perhaps this could be made a GSOC topic. Incidentally, this may also address another Python's Achilles' heel: the timezone support. http://icu-project.org/download/icutzu.html I work with people who speak highly of ICU, so I want to encourage work in this area. At the same time, I'm skeptical -- IIRC, ICU is a large amount of C++ code. I don't know how easy it will be to integrate this into our build processes for various platforms, nor how Pythonic the resulting APIs will look to the experienced Python user. Still, those are not roadblocks, the benefits are potentially great, so it's definitely worth investigating! FWIW, OSAF did a wrapping for Chandler, though I personally haven't used it: http://pyicu.osafoundation.org/ The README explains the mapping from the ICU APIs to Python ones, including iteration, string conversion, and timezone mapping for use with the datetime type. -- --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido) ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/pje%40telecommunity.com ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] ICU
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Oh, about ICU: Actually, I remember you saying that locale should ideally be replaced with a wrapper around the ICU library. By that, I stand - however, I have given up the hope that this will happen anytime soon. Perhaps this could be made a GSOC topic. Incidentally, this may also address another Python's Achilles' heel: the timezone support. http://icu-project.org/download/icutzu.html ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] ICU
Oh, about ICU: Actually, I remember you saying that locale should ideally be replaced with a wrapper around the ICU library. By that, I stand - however, I have given up the hope that this will happen anytime soon. Perhaps this could be made a GSOC topic. Regards Antoine. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
