Re: Python v PHP for web, and restarting Apache?
walterbyrd a écrit : Fredrik Lundh wrote: modularity, modularity, and modularity. Can't PHP be made to be just as modular? PHP has no notion of modules. As a matter of popular practise, I suppose that is not done. I would think that it could be. Certainly not the way Python is modular... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python v PHP for web, and restarting Apache?
On Nov 17, 4:46 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 17, 12:07 pm, walterbyrd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I have read somewhere that using Python to develop web-applications requires some restarting of the Apache server, whereas PHP does not.It depends what you do. CGI's operate much like PHP. mod_python has auto-reloading (and by implication most frameworks that build on it.) A poorly designed web application may require a restart. (Some people also disable auto-reload for production servers for performance advantages.) Also, I seem to remember reading something about PHP being able to recover from Apache restarting more easily than Python.I can think of no reason why that would be true. Perhaps these are poorly designed python applications? I am not trying to suggest anything here. I'm just asking.Ask away. The only bad question is an unasked question. Most of us can act like adults here (although we all forget that from time to time.) Python is much better suited to writing and mainting large web applications though. Being both an experienced php and python programmer, I can tell you I don't use php any more unless I have no other choice. -Sandra Sandra do you us ethe msot up to date php and python? how fast is fastcgi v mod_python? Have you ever used medusa? or some other python server directly? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python v PHP for web, and restarting Apache?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Python is much better suited to writing and mainting large web applications though. I have to ask: why is that? Because Python is more readable? Because Python runs faster? Is Python more stable for large scale applications? Does this apply when using Python with CGI, FastCGI, mod_python, or what? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python v PHP for web, and restarting Apache?
walterbyrd wrote: Python is much better suited to writing and mainting large web applications though. I have to ask: why is that? modularity, modularity, and modularity. /F -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python v PHP for web, and restarting Apache?
Fredrik Lundh wrote: modularity, modularity, and modularity. Can't PHP be made to be just as modular? As a matter of popular practise, I suppose that is not done. I would think that it could be. My big problem with PHP is the lack of backward compatibility. My big problem with Python is that popular frameworks like django and turbogears have sky-high system requirements. Few web-hosters have Apache 2.X, mod_python 3.x, FastCGI, or Python 2.4. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python v PHP for web, and restarting Apache?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], walterbyrd wrote: I am not trying to suggest anything here. I'm just asking. Asking what? Asking something usually involves a question. ;-) Ciao, Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python v PHP for web, and restarting Apache?
walterbyrd wrote: I think I have read somewhere that using Python to develop web-applications requires some restarting of the Apache server, whereas PHP does not. first thing... there are many many ways how to run a python-apache web application.. - mod_python - cgi - fastcgi - sci - proxy also the same way, for php: - mod_php - fastcgi - cgi - (maybe something more, i'm not much experienced with php) so first you should tell us which python-solution would you like to compare to which php-solution.. gabor -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python v PHP for web, and restarting Apache?
walterbyrd wrote: I think I have read somewhere that using Python to develop web-applications requires some restarting of the Apache server, whereas PHP does not. Using Python to develop web-applications is a very broad topic. E.g. you don't have to restart Apache if you develop simple short-running CGI-BIN programs. With a long-running web app (e.g. with FastCGI) you might only kill the web app's process etc. Or you implement a graceful restart in your web app or... Also, I seem to remember reading something about PHP being able to recover from Apache restarting more easily than Python. As usual it depends. Ciao, Michael. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python v PHP for web, and restarting Apache?
On Nov 17, 12:07 pm, walterbyrd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I have read somewhere that using Python to develop web-applications requires some restarting of the Apache server, whereas PHP does not. It depends what you do. CGI's operate much like PHP. mod_python has auto-reloading (and by implication most frameworks that build on it.) A poorly designed web application may require a restart. (Some people also disable auto-reload for production servers for performance advantages.) Also, I seem to remember reading something about PHP being able to recover from Apache restarting more easily than Python. I can think of no reason why that would be true. Perhaps these are poorly designed python applications? I am not trying to suggest anything here. I'm just asking. Ask away. The only bad question is an unasked question. Most of us can act like adults here (although we all forget that from time to time.) Python is much better suited to writing and mainting large web applications though. Being both an experienced php and python programmer, I can tell you I don't use php any more unless I have no other choice. -Sandra -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
