[Pythonmac-SIG] Why is Framework build of Python needed
Hi, I seem to recall that a Framework build of Python is needed if you want to do anything with the native Mac GUI. Is my understanding correct? If so, is this requirement documented somewhere? Thanks! Brian ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Why is Framework build of Python needed
The Mac comes with a Framework build of Python pre-installed (and with PyObjC pre-installed, which you also need). Just use /usr/bin/python, and you'll be fine. It's the default way that Python builds on a Mac, too. Bill Brian Granger ellisonbg@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I seem to recall that a Framework build of Python is needed if you want to do anything with the native Mac GUI. Is my understanding correct? If so, is this requirement documented somewhere? Thanks! Brian ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Why is Framework build of Python needed
Brian Granger ellisonbg@gmail.com wrote: I seem to recall that a Framework build of Python is needed if you want to do anything with the native Mac GUI. Is my understanding correct? Pretty much -- to access the Mac GUI, an app needs to be in a proper Mac application bundle. The Framework build supplies that. Technically, the use of a framework is independent for this requirement, but using a Framework build is the easiest way to satisfy it. Do you have a reason for not wanting to use a Framework build? -Chris -- Christopher Barker, Ph.D. Oceanographer Emergency Response Division NOAA/NOS/ORR(206) 526-6959 voice 7600 Sand Point Way NE (206) 526-6329 fax Seattle, WA 98115 (206) 526-6317 main reception chris.bar...@noaa.gov ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Why is Framework build of Python needed
Pretty much -- to access the Mac GUI, an app needs to be in a proper Mac application bundle. The Framework build supplies that. Technically, the use of a framework is independent for this requirement, but using a Framework build is the easiest way to satisfy it. OK. Do you have a reason for not wanting to use a Framework build? Some people I am working with feel that doing a framework build is a bit of a hassle. It means they/we have to support custom build logic on OS X compared to linux/unix, which I agree is a pain. But there are no fundamental reasons we are opposed to a Framework build. Just a bit more work for us. Cheers, Brian ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Why is Framework build of Python needed
Christopher Barker chris.bar...@noaa.gov wrote: Brian Granger ellisonbg@gmail.com wrote: I seem to recall that a Framework build of Python is needed if you want to do anything with the native Mac GUI. Is my understanding correct? Pretty much -- to access the Mac GUI, an app needs to be in a proper Mac application bundle. But there's no pressing reason Python has to supply that bundle. You could build your own app using PyObjC to access the Cocoa GUI, using Python without a Python app bundle. The two things are logically separate, aren't they? You can have a framework build of Python without having a Python application bundle. I suspect that the default build of PyObjC assumes that Python is a framework build, too. But I don't know if you could build a non-framework Python and non-framework PyObjC, and use those together to write Python programs that could access Cocoa. I suspect you could, but I also suspect it would be a lot of work. Bill ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Why is Framework build of Python needed
In article 6ce0ac130905131523m7c4002e9i18816fd6dad37...@mail.gmail.com, Brian Granger ellisonbg@gmail.com wrote: Do you have a reason for not wanting to use a Framework build? Some people I am working with feel that doing a framework build is a bit of a hassle. It means they/we have to support custom build logic on OS X compared to linux/unix, which I agree is a pain. But there are no fundamental reasons we are opposed to a Framework build. Just a bit more work for us. FWIW, if you are building and installing python modules and/or C extensions, distutils or setuptools should generally be able to transparently handle the framework-specific details for you. -- Ned Deily, n...@acm.org ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Why is Framework build of Python needed
In article 15498.1242255...@parc.com, Bill Janssen jans...@parc.com wrote: I suspect that the default build of PyObjC assumes that Python is a framework build, too. But I don't know if you could build a non-framework Python and non-framework PyObjC, and use those together to write Python programs that could access Cocoa. I suspect you could, but I also suspect it would be a lot of work. FWIW, fink uses a unix shared library build rather than a framework build for its pythons (at least the 2.5 version I have) and has PyObjC packages for them. I haven't tried to install them and have no idea how well they work. -- Ned Deily, n...@acm.org ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Why is Framework build of Python needed
I think this depends on what you think the native Mac GUI is, and what you want to do with it. For instance, a non-framework build, combined with Xlib (http://python-xlib.sourceforge.net/) works quite well with the Apple X11 server, which in turn uses the native Mac GUI. Bill Brian Granger ellisonbg@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I seem to recall that a Framework build of Python is needed if you want to do anything with the native Mac GUI. Is my understanding correct? If so, is this requirement documented somewhere? Thanks! Brian ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
