Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Download page on www.python.org now updated
Hey, I notice the MacPython wiki page on python.org http://wiki.python.org/moin/MacPython is showing outdated information - might be an idea to redirect it to the new download page or copy over some of the new content. has The nifty thing about Wikis is that anyone can edit it... (hint, hint). Bill ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Download page on www.python.org now updated
Hey, I notice the MacPython wiki page on python.org http://wiki.python.org/moin/MacPython is showing outdated information - might be an idea to redirect it to the new download page or copy over some of the new content. has The nifty thing about Wikis is that anyone can edit it... (hint, hint). I know, I know. Just preoccupied with other things right now; hence the heads-up in case anyone feels like sorting it sooner. (People grow old and die in less time than it takes me to get around to doing stuff.:p) Cheers, has -- http://freespace.virgin.net/hamish.sanderson/ ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
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Hey, I notice the MacPython wiki page on python.org http://wiki.python.org/moin/MacPython is showing outdated information - might be an idea to redirect it to the new download page or copy over some of the new content. has -- http://freespace.virgin.net/hamish.sanderson/ ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Download page on www.python.org now updated
On Monday, March 06, 2006, at 01:17PM, has [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Donovan Preston wrote: Stop with the 16 ton weight/snakes/apples debate. Just use the new, official, python logo Absolutely agree, this is a solved problem already. It's not my most favourite logo design ever either (though still better than any others I've seen), but that's irrelevant. Building a strong, consistent brand identity matters FAR more than one's personal preferences. Fine by me, if someone actually creates the icons! Brendan Simons has created some icons that look good enough, although the launcher icon could be better. I'm willing to use these icons when he says they are ready. However, I'd like to wait for Kevin Olliver, he's also working on new icons. The Mac Python community will improve its own recognition by self-identifying more closely with the larger Python community. Being Different simply for the sake of being different is not a sufficient rationale and just makes the place feel like a backwater. Or is it forefront of design ;-) ;-) ;-) Ronald ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
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On Monday, March 06, 2006, at 05:07PM, Brendan Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Ronald Oussoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fine by me, if someone actually creates the icons! Brendan Simons has created some icons that look good enough, although the launcher icon could be better. I did some more digging in /system and /developer, and found this icon: http://twototango.blogs.com/Developer_Applications_JavaTools_AppletLauncher.png Better? (I would try to make the logo wrap around the rocket better than the Java logo does) That icon looks nice, but I wonder if reusing it would be legal. I'm willing to use these icons when he says they are ready. However, I'd like to wait for Kevin Olliver, he's also working on new icons. Me too. Please Kevin, don't be too upset. I just whipped up something quickly by badging the official logo on the generic document editor icons. I can do the same for any graphic. I can also do folder and disk image icons in the same way. -Brendan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
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--- Ronald Oussoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday, March 06, 2006, at 05:07PM, Brendan Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did some more digging in /system and /developer, and found this icon: http://twototango.blogs.com/Developer_Applications_JavaTools_AppletLauncher.png Better? (I would try to make the logo wrap around the rocket better than the Java logo does) That icon looks nice, but I wonder if reusing it would be legal. I'm not a lawyer, but it doesn't look like Apple is enforcing their copyrights to stringently on this. The rocket icon is used for the Java launcher, and for /Developer/Examples/Bluetooth/OBEXSampleSendVCard So I would liken it to the folder, document, disk image icons (ie, implied permission to use freely). That doesn't mean we shouldn't ask. -Brendan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Download page on www.python.org now updated
On Friday, March 03, 2006, at 01:11AM, Bill Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, if you do so and say the issue is settled, I'm going to be more than a little upset because I was asked to look into generating an icon, I have done so and even found someone who has already done some initial work on it, and I'm going to have to tell this person to scrap their work simply because you guys are impatient. We're not working on your dime, you know. You and Chris asked for a favor and I agreed, and in fact I put a fair amount of time into researching what was out there and finally found someone interested a few days ago, but then when I can't produce something for you at lightning speed you just want to say forget it? I mean, seriously, you can't wait a few weeks on changing an icon that has been used for what, almost a decade? Kevin, I can't speak for Ron or W.R., but for my part, I'm perfectly willing to wait and see what you come up with -- I think the ideas you floated are interesting, I appreciate the work you are doing on this front, and I've got no vested interest in the snake-around-the-apple logo. I just found it on the pythonmac.org wiki, and slapped it into the download page. Happy to change it to something else, too -- no great amount of effort required. BTW. I do know about the American tendency to go for shortened names, but my name is Ronald. Please type the additional 4 characters. With that pet peeve out of the way, I'd be happy to replace the current set of icons by something else. I'm just not happy about replacing just one icon and ignoring the rest, what some people seem to suggest. The new icons should also be an improvement, but that shouldn't be too hard when someone with actual grafical skills is involved :-). While I do like the Monty Python connotations of the current icon set, I wouldn't mind moving to something more snake related. For better or worse, the world associates Python with the snake instead of the comedians and that means the 16 ton weight won't be understood by the majority of Python users. Ronald I *am* interested in getting rid of the 16-ton weight, though. Bill ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
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On 3-mrt-2006, at 0:27, Kevin Ollivier wrote: Of course, if you do so and say the issue is settled, I'm going to be more than a little upset because I was asked to look into generating an icon, I have done so and even found someone who has already done some initial work on it, and I'm going to have to tell this person to scrap their work simply because you guys are impatient. We're not working on your dime, you know. You and Chris asked for a favor and I agreed, and in fact I put a fair amount of time into researching what was out there and finally found someone interested a few days ago, but then when I can't produce something for you at lightning speed you just want to say forget it? I mean, seriously, you can't wait a few weeks on changing an icon that has been used for what, almost a decade? Please don't stop working on an icon. The current icon-set has been ancient looking for years now, there's no need to rush this. I wouldn't mind if the new icons wouldn't be introduced until Python 2.5, that should give us enough time to pick a new icon. Rushing this would only increase the chance that we'd pick an icon that we don't really like and have to change again soon. And for the record: I'm not really thrilled by the icon on beta.python.org. I can live with it if it would get picked, but it isn't a very compelling image. Ronald Kevin Bill ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Download page on www.python.org now updated
At 5:56 PM -0600 3/1/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ronald The page looks fine, but it might be better to remove the icon Ronald or replace it by the current MacPython icon (the 16 ton Ronald weight). It's not that I don't like the snake, but some people Ronald claim a lifelike snake will scare some (potential) users and Ronald furthermore the snake-icon isn't actually used by MacPython Ronald (yet?). I believe Bill has svn access now, so I'll leave that to him to decide. Skip I've been lurking on this list since early 2002 (and I can't tell you-all how much I've picked up listening - it has been incredibly helpful), but I feel it is finally time to say something. I LIKE the python squeezing the apple. The 16 ton icon is not only amateurish, it is so indirect an in joke as to be inscrutable to anyone coming new to the party. When I first saw it (back in OS 9 days) I thought it was supposed to represent Python's ability to do heavy lifting for the user. Until, or unless Guido himself officially signs off on an icon that _has_ to be used - I'd say stick with this one. It at least looks professional. There, got it off my chest, Bill PS: If it REALLY is a problem for some people, offer them an alternative in the post-flight phase of the installer. -- _ /~\ The ASCII | William R. Wing, PhD. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 865-574-8839 \ / Ribbon Campaign | Network Architect, Oak Ridge National Laboratory X Against HTML| Network Research Group, Computer Sci Math Div. / \ Email! |_ ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Download page on www.python.org now updated
On Thursday, March 02, 2006, at 01:40PM, W. R. Wing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 5:56 PM -0600 3/1/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ronald The page looks fine, but it might be better to remove the icon Ronald or replace it by the current MacPython icon (the 16 ton Ronald weight). It's not that I don't like the snake, but some people Ronald claim a lifelike snake will scare some (potential) users and Ronald furthermore the snake-icon isn't actually used by MacPython Ronald (yet?). I believe Bill has svn access now, so I'll leave that to him to decide. Skip I've been lurking on this list since early 2002 (and I can't tell you-all how much I've picked up listening - it has been incredibly helpful), but I feel it is finally time to say something. I LIKE the python squeezing the apple. The 16 ton icon is not only amateurish, it is so indirect an in joke as to be inscrutable to anyone coming new to the party. When I first saw it (back in OS 9 days) I thought it was supposed to represent Python's ability to do heavy lifting for the user. Until, or unless Guido himself officially signs off on an icon that _has_ to be used - I'd say stick with this one. It at least looks professional. The 16 ton icon stays until someone brings a better alternative. Please remember that it is not just 1 icon, but a set of them: One each for IDLE, BuildApplet and .py files. Ideally there would also be one for py2app application bundles where the user hasn't provided his own icon. The reason I don't like having the snake on the website is that the icon will not match the icons used by the various applications installed by the macpython installer. Ronald ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
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Ron Oussoren writes: The 16 ton icon stays until someone brings a better alternative. W. R. Wing writes: I LIKE the python squeezing the apple. The 16 ton icon is not only amateurish, it is so indirect an in joke as to be inscrutable to anyone coming new to the party. I agree with Wing. So there *is* a better alternative, and there's now a MacPython.icns file at http://bill.janssen.org/mac/MacPython.icns with the snake wrapped around the Apple. Feel free to use it where it fits. But Ron objects: The page looks fine, but it might be better to remove the icon or replace it by the current MacPython icon (the 16 ton weight). The 16-ton weight screams done by amateurs for a toy computer. The sooner it's stamped out, the better. And further explains: It's not that I don't like the snake, but some people claim a lifelike snake will scare some (potential) users and furthermore the snake-icon isn't actually used by MacPython (yet?). As we know, some people will claim anything. The snake/apple icon is all over the MacPython pages, that's where it comes from. The new Python web site has finally switched to a snake-based logo, as well. As for scaring users: I feel sympathy for folks who have pathological fears of almost anything, including drawings of snakes. I think, though, it might be kinder to repel those folks immediately, rather than helping them overcome their incipient nausea at the very idea of a language called Python, and getting to use it. Such use might cause a nasty amount of subconscious angst, expressed in -- who knows -- continuous nightmares? Random acts of violence? Surely better to act up front! More snakes on the web page! Bill ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
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On Mar 2, 2006, at 9:55 AM, Bill Janssen wrote: Ron Oussoren writes: The 16 ton icon stays until someone brings a better alternative. Stop with the 16 ton weight/snakes/apples debate. Just use the new, official, python logo, which is a stylized icon that isn't going to offend anybody, is vector so will look good at any size, and looks very, very professional. I don't see any reason to indicate macness/ appleness in the logo. It's python. You are using it on a Mac. Everyone already knows Apple makes macs. http://beta.python.org/images/python-logo.gif dp ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
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On 3/2/06 9:55 AM, Bill Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ron Oussoren writes:
The 16 ton icon stays until someone brings a better alternative.
W. R. Wing writes:
I LIKE the python squeezing the apple. The 16 ton icon is not only
amateurish, it is so indirect an in joke as to be inscrutable to
anyone coming new to the party.
I agree with Wing. So there *is* a better alternative, and there's
now a MacPython.icns file at
http://bill.janssen.org/mac/MacPython.icns with the snake wrapped
around the Apple. Feel free to use it where it fits.
That leads to a web page that looks like this:
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(ad infinitum). Was it maybe supposed to have a different type of encoding,
or URL address? If there's another way to access it in Safari, I can't find
it. If I remove the MacPython.icns from the URL I get a Forbidden. If I
remove just the .icns, I get a nice 404. If I remove mac/MacPython.icns
I get to your main page, but don't see a link.
But Ron objects:
The page looks fine, but it might be better to remove the icon or
replace it by the current MacPython icon (the 16 ton weight).
The 16-ton weight screams done by amateurs for a toy computer. The
sooner it's stamped out, the better.
And further explains:
It's not that I don't like the snake, but some people claim a
lifelike snake will scare some (potential) users and furthermore the
snake-icon isn't actually used by MacPython (yet?).
As we know, some people will claim anything. The snake/apple icon is
all over the MacPython pages, that's where it comes from. The new
Python web site has finally switched to a snake-based logo, as well.
As for scaring users: I feel sympathy for folks who have pathological
fears of almost anything, including drawings of snakes. I think,
though, it might be kinder to repel those folks immediately, rather
than helping them overcome their incipient nausea at the very idea of
a language called Python, and getting to use it. Such use might
cause a nasty amount of subconscious angst, expressed in -- who knows
-- continuous nightmares? Random acts of violence?
Surely better to act up front! More snakes on the web page!
The 16-ton icon looks horrible. I'm keen to see the snake, if you can
provide a link that works. Thanks.
But I think Donovan has the right idea. The new official Python icon looks
great. This is Python, use the Python logo.
--
Paul Berkowitz
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Donovan Preston wrote: Stop with the 16 ton weight/snakes/apples debate. Just use the new, official, python logo, +1 -- Christopher Barker, Ph.D. Oceanographer NOAA/ORR/HAZMAT (206) 526-6959 voice 7600 Sand Point Way NE (206) 526-6329 fax Seattle, WA 98115 (206) 526-6317 main reception [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
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On 2-mrt-2006, at 18:55, Bill Janssen wrote: Ron Oussoren writes: The 16 ton icon stays until someone brings a better alternative. W. R. Wing writes: I LIKE the python squeezing the apple. The 16 ton icon is not only amateurish, it is so indirect an in joke as to be inscrutable to anyone coming new to the party. I agree with Wing. So there *is* a better alternative, and there's now a MacPython.icns file at http://bill.janssen.org/mac/MacPython.icns with the snake wrapped around the Apple. Feel free to use it where it fits. That's just one icon, we need several icons. At least we now have a consistent set of icons. An historical looking set of icons, but a *set* of icons. Surely better to act up front! More snakes on the web page! But Python isn't named after snakes ;-) ;-) Ronald Bill ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
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Surely better to act up front! More snakes on the web page! Ronald But Python isn't named after snakes ;-) ;-) True enough, but I think even Guido has abandoned that argument. Had it been named Monty Python, Cleese or Cheeseshop you might have a leg to stand on, but it's just Python. Many people younger than 30 will not understand the reference. Most people outside North America and Europe won't know what it means either. I think you just have to accept that snakes are going to be part of the package. Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
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That's just one icon, we need several icons. At least we now have a consistent set of icons. An historical looking set of icons, but a *set* of icons. Yes, I comprehend, several different icons for the various applications are needed. The base logo is just a starting place. Surely better to act up front! More snakes on the web page! But Python isn't named after snakes ;-) ;-) Doesn't matter. The dominant connotation is snakish, and therefore scary to susceptible folk. I think they should be gently steered towards Lisp (unfortunate connotation there) or perhaps Ruby (hard to argue with that connotation). Bill ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
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Hi Bill, On Mar 2, 2006, at 2:28 PM, Bill Janssen wrote: That's just one icon, we need several icons. At least we now have a consistent set of icons. An historical looking set of icons, but a *set* of icons. Yes, I comprehend, several different icons for the various applications are needed. The base logo is just a starting place. Surely better to act up front! More snakes on the web page! But Python isn't named after snakes ;-) ;-) Doesn't matter. The dominant connotation is snakish, and therefore scary to susceptible folk. I think they should be gently steered towards Lisp (unfortunate connotation there) or perhaps Ruby (hard to argue with that connotation). Okay, this is all getting a bit silly, but I'll respond just for the record. With all due respect, I think you're being condescending. No one's going to freak out by seeing the PyGame picture, or the mod_python Apache picture, or the beta.python.org logo, or the Windows icon, or need I go on? They don't scare or bother anyone, and I have yet to hear of anyone who is bothered by the very word Python. The issue is with that particular icon. It doesn't convey, shall we say, positive imagery. Scary, dangerous, and the snake as temptor and devil are not I think ideas which accurately represent the Python programming language, nor accurately reflect the outlook of its community. Do you? Maybe you think it's a joke that some people would see the icon as creepy, or downright offensive, but whether or not the imagery in the icon was intended (which I doubt it was, except perhaps as a joke), it is there, and some people viewing it are certainly going to think it was intentional. If you want a new icon, and you all are simply unable to be patient and see what I'm able to come up with, do what Donovan said and go with the official Python icon. At least no one will be scared or offended by that. Of course, if you do so and say the issue is settled, I'm going to be more than a little upset because I was asked to look into generating an icon, I have done so and even found someone who has already done some initial work on it, and I'm going to have to tell this person to scrap their work simply because you guys are impatient. We're not working on your dime, you know. You and Chris asked for a favor and I agreed, and in fact I put a fair amount of time into researching what was out there and finally found someone interested a few days ago, but then when I can't produce something for you at lightning speed you just want to say forget it? I mean, seriously, you can't wait a few weeks on changing an icon that has been used for what, almost a decade? Kevin Bill ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
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In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ronald Oussoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 28-feb-2006, at 0:04, Keith Ray wrote: ... Do you need to set up any environment variables to specify that the newer python is to be used instead of the old one? (if so, how do you set that up?) Yes, you will have to make sure that /Library/Frameworks/ Python.framework/Versions/2.4/bin is at the start of your PATH. If you use bash[1] is you should create a .bash_profile file in your home directory that contains the line PATH=/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/ 2.4/bin:$PATH. It seems unfortunate to put that long complicated mess into the path, and then have to redo it when python 2.5 comes out. Bob's unofficial 2.4.1 installer puts links in /usr/local/bin. Will the universal build do that as well? Then all one needs to do is make sure /usr/local/bin in on the path. -- Russell ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
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On Feb 28, 2006, at 1:35 PM, Russell E Owen wrote: At 12:33 PM -0600 2006-02-28, Bob Ippolito wrote: On Feb 28, 2006, at 12:13 PM, Russell E. Owen wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ronald Oussoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...you will have to make sure that /Library/Frameworks/ Python.framework/Versions/2.4/bin is at the start of your PATH. If you use bash[1] is you should create a .bash_profile file in your home directory that contains the line PATH=/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/ Versions/ 2.4/bin:$PATH. It seems unfortunate to put that long complicated mess into the path, and then have to redo it when python 2.5 comes out. The long way is the right way. Having to change your path when a new version of Python is installed is not a bad thing. OK, I'll do the long path. But I'm still puzzled about hard-coding the version. Why not just use: PATH=/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/ Current/bin:$PATH and automatically get the current version? It seems to me that would be best for most users and that experts who want finer control would know what to do. That's not necessarily a bad idea -bob ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
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On 28-feb-2006, at 20:44, Bob Ippolito wrote: On Feb 28, 2006, at 1:35 PM, Russell E Owen wrote: At 12:33 PM -0600 2006-02-28, Bob Ippolito wrote: On Feb 28, 2006, at 12:13 PM, Russell E. Owen wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ronald Oussoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...you will have to make sure that /Library/Frameworks/ Python.framework/Versions/2.4/bin is at the start of your PATH. If you use bash[1] is you should create a .bash_profile file in your home directory that contains the line PATH=/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/ Versions/ 2.4/bin:$PATH. It seems unfortunate to put that long complicated mess into the path, and then have to redo it when python 2.5 comes out. The long way is the right way. Having to change your path when a new version of Python is installed is not a bad thing. OK, I'll do the long path. But I'm still puzzled about hard-coding the version. Why not just use: PATH=/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/ Current/bin:$PATH and automatically get the current version? It seems to me that would be best for most users and that experts who want finer control would know what to do. That's not necessarily a bad idea +1. I've added this to my postinstall script for the universal build. Ronald -bob ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
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Guido has just announced (at his PyCon keynote) that the new web site (see beta.python.org) is going live a week from tomorrow (or Sunday, March 5), and has requested help migrating the content. I see that the content on the downloads page is different on the beta site, and wrong w.r.t. MacPython. Is that page (currently in rest format) going to be replaced with the page from the current web site (also wrong)? Should I just fix it? Bill ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
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Guido has just announced (at his PyCon keynote) that the new web site (see beta.python.org) is going live a week from tomorrow (or Sunday, March 5), and has requested help migrating the content. Bill I see that the content on the downloads page is different on the Bill beta site, and wrong w.r.t. MacPython. Is that page (currently in Bill rest format) going to be replaced with the page from the current Bill web site (also wrong)? Should I just fix it? I just converted it yesterday. Does this page http://beta.python.org/download/mac/ still look wrong to you? It's got the python-squeezing-the-apple icon for me. If that's not the case for you perhaps you just need to do a page reload or empty your browser's cache (or your proxy server's cache). Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
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I meant the main downloads page, which still pointed to Jack Jansen's installer for 2.3 (under the section for 2.4.2). I just removed that pointer. Bill ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
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Once you install 2.4.1, does everything python-related just automatically start working with it, or do you need to re-install packages like appscript, PyFIT, and so on that have installed themselves off of /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3/lib/python2.3/site-packges/... ? (Will the installers for PyFIT, appscript, etc, do the right thing if run after installing 2.4.1?) Do you need to set up any environment variables to specify that the newer python is to be used instead of the old one? (if so, how do you set that up?) ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
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The content on the site is definitely correct. The same disk image is linked to for both Mac OS X 10.3 and Mac OS X 10.4, but 10.3 users need Tk and 10.4 users need a patch, so they have separate sets of instructions. -bob On Feb 25, 2006, at 10:19 PM, Keith Ray wrote: the readme that comes with the downloaded disk image from this URL: http://python.org/ftp/python/2.4.1/MacPython-OSX-2.4.1-1.dmg says This package will install MacPython 2.4.1 for Mac OS X 10.3. but the link is supposed to be the installer for 10.4 according to ... On Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger), download and run this installer (which gives you a PPC-only version of Python 2.4.1) On 2/22/06, Bill Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, the new downloads page is now in place on python.org, at http://www.python.org/download/download_mac.html. Thanks to Skip for moving the bits! Bill I was wondering if following the instructions on this page http://bill.janssen.org/mac/new-macpython-page.html Clearly past time to move this to python.org :-). I'll take care of that. Bill ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig -- C. Keith Ray http://homepage.mac.com/keithray/blog/index.html http://homepage.mac.com/keithray/xpminifaq.html http://homepage.mac.com/keithray/resume2.html ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Download page on www.python.org now updated
On 2/22/06, Bill Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, the new downloads page is now in place on python.org, at http://www.python.org/download/download_mac.html. Thanks to Skip for moving the bits! Congratulations all around... Guido has just announced (at his PyCon keynote) that the new web site (see beta.python.org) is going live a week from tomorrow (or Sunday, March 5), and has requested help migrating the content. I just checked and of course the old Macintosh content is present on the beta site (as well as an unfortunate item on the main download page indicating that only 2.3 is available for download on Mac OS X). There is info at http://psf.pollenation.net/cgi-bin/trac.cgi on how to contribute to the new site. It looks like the content is stored in a subversion repository. Hopefully someone can handle this before the new site goes live. (If I can help, let me know...) -- Russell Finn ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Download page on www.python.org now updated
Russell I just checked and of course the old Macintosh content is Russell present on the beta site (as well as an unfortunate item on the Russell main download page indicating that only 2.3 is available for Russell download on Mac OS X). Yeah, I plan to take care of that as well, just haven't had the chance. At the moment I'm trying to get the pyramid stuff working. Tim Parkin is helping me via the net. Once I've either gotten that taken care of (or given up on it) I will update the content and check in the relevant files. Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
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Hopefully someone can handle this before the new site goes live. (If I can help, let me know...) Sounds like Skip has a plan to do it. I'll keep an eye on it, too, and make sure it happens. Bill ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Download page on www.python.org now updated
the readme that comes with the downloaded disk image from this URL: http://python.org/ftp/python/2.4.1/MacPython-OSX-2.4.1-1.dmg says This package will install MacPython 2.4.1 for Mac OS X 10.3. but the link is supposed to be the installer for 10.4 according to ... On Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger), download and run this installer (which gives you a PPC-only version of Python 2.4.1) On 2/22/06, Bill Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, the new downloads page is now in place on python.org, at http://www.python.org/download/download_mac.html. Thanks to Skip for moving the bits! Bill I was wondering if following the instructions on this page http://bill.janssen.org/mac/new-macpython-page.html Clearly past time to move this to python.org :-). I'll take care of that. Bill ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig -- C. Keith Ray http://homepage.mac.com/keithray/blog/index.html http://homepage.mac.com/keithray/xpminifaq.html http://homepage.mac.com/keithray/resume2.html ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Download page on www.python.org now updated
In article 06Feb22.195357pst.58633@synergy1.parc.xerox.com, Bill Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, the new downloads page is now in place on python.org, at http://www.python.org/download/download_mac.html. Thanks to Skip for moving the bits! Thanks for doing this. One suggestion: have users install Tcl/Tk 8.4.12 or at least 8.4.11 rather than 8.4.10. 8.4.11 is, in my opinion, the first really solid version of Aqua Tcl/Tk -- it fixed two bugs that were driving me nuts -- and 8.4.12 has been working fine for me. Here's a link to 8.4.12: http://downloads.activestate.com/ActiveTcl/MacOSX/8.4.12/ActiveTcl8.4.12 .0.227020-macosx-powerpc-threaded.dmg -- Russell P.S. the sourceforge Tcl/Tk Aqua project has not been updated past 8.4.10. Anyone know if it ever will be, now that ActiveState is supplying installers? ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Download page on www.python.org now updated
One suggestion: have users install Tcl/Tk 8.4.12 or at least 8.4.11 rather than 8.4.10. 8.4.11 is, in my opinion, the first really solid version of Aqua Tcl/Tk -- it fixed two bugs that were driving me nuts -- and 8.4.12 has been working fine for me. Here's a link to 8.4.12: http://downloads.activestate.com/ActiveTcl/MacOSX/8.4.12/ActiveTcl8.4.12 .0.227020-macosx-powerpc-threaded.dmg I'm happy to update the page if this now reflects the conventional wisdom... Remember that we are just using this for IDLE. P.S. the sourceforge Tcl/Tk Aqua project has not been updated past 8.4.10. Anyone know if it ever will be, now that ActiveState is supplying installers? I never use it, so I'd be the last to know. Bill ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
[Pythonmac-SIG] Download page on www.python.org now updated
OK, the new downloads page is now in place on python.org, at http://www.python.org/download/download_mac.html. Thanks to Skip for moving the bits! Bill I was wondering if following the instructions on this page http://bill.janssen.org/mac/new-macpython-page.html Clearly past time to move this to python.org :-). I'll take care of that. Bill ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
