Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD
Bill Janssen wrote: In my opinion, the problem is the term MacPython. Python is Python, period, and we should just call it that, even if it's running on the Mac platform. Perhaps this was different in the pre-OSX days, but not now. On OS X I think of the 'MacPython' name more as a way to identify the particular distribution: MacPython, Fink Python, ActiveState Python, etc. It'd probably make more sense in that respect if it was 'Mac Python' rather than 'MacPython', but that's just an artifact of how it's evolved. Personally I have no problem dropping the 'Mac' prefix if it proves to be causing more confusion than it solves. Might need to think of a new distribution name though. has -- http://freespace.virgin.net/hamish.sanderson/ ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD
On 18-apr-2006, at 22:59, Advertising Department wrote: (I'm totally confused about the nine versions of python for Mac OS X, the defunct or just not updated for 2 years MacPython pages, the current state of the macintosh specific library modules, etc.) To give my 2 cents... It doesn't really matter about a logo, icon, or universal build. If there is no recent info on the OFFICIAL python.org linked web pages, most new users will think it's become defunct, and look no further. NEWS Sorry? There is a link to a python installer for macosx on python.org. We can't help that google points users that search for MacPython to Jack's site who has basically disappeared and hasn't updated his site for a long time. It is annoying that www.python.org/download/mac doesn't mention the universal installer. Could someone please fix that? Ronald ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD
It is annoying that www.python.org/download/mac doesn't mention the universal installer. Could someone please fix that? Will do. Should this replace the dual-installer procedure that's mentioned there? For both 10.3 and 10.4? Bill ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD
Bill But the NEWS section of python.org is totally disfunctional. Bill Months go by without anyone bothering to add anything to it; I Bill think the trouble is that no one knows what the add procedure Bill is. I tend to agree with you. Given all the recent changes to the site, including a completely new tool chain used to build it, details about updating various bits like NEWS have been lost by many. Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD
Ronald It is annoying that www.python.org/download/mac doesn't mention Ronald the universal installer. It does now. It will take a few minutes for the global build process to update the website, but I checked in a minimal change to Subversion. Skip ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD
On 19-apr-2006, at 22:06, Bill Janssen wrote: It is annoying that www.python.org/download/mac doesn't mention the universal installer. Could someone please fix that? Will do. Should this replace the dual-installer procedure that's mentioned there? For both 10.3 and 10.4? The universal installer can be used for OSX 10.3.9 and later. There is no current installer for earlier releases of the OS. I haven't checked yet if the universal installer on python.org is still the original one without optimization or if it got replaced by the newer one. I've removed the latter from my iDisk because I ran out of the bandwidth allotment for my site :-(. Ronald ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD
On 19-apr-2006, at 22:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ronald It is annoying that www.python.org/download/mac doesn't mention Ronald the universal installer. It does now. It will take a few minutes for the global build process to update the website, but I checked in a minimal change to Subversion. Thanks. Ronald ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD
NEWS was broken long before the new site. Bill ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
[Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD
(I'm totally confused about the nine versions of python for Mac OS X, the defunct or just not updated for 2 years MacPython pages, the current state of the macintosh specific library modules, etc.) To give my 2 cents... It doesn't really matter about a logo, icon, or universal build. If there is no recent info on the OFFICIAL python.org linked web pages, most new users will think it's become defunct, and look no further. NEWS April 2, 2004 MacPython 2.3.3 for Jaguar and MacPython-OS9 2.3.3 have finally been released. And on April 18, 2006, having no other information, we must assume in the last two years it's become totally stale, defunct and forgotten. Too bad. I guess I'll have to mess around with Java or Ruby. Doing a Google search produces way too much antique information for a newbie to sort thru, and just re-inforces the implication that python on Mac is dead. COME ON GUYS, get something up on the web page. ANYTHING!!! Point us to this list and tell us you've been too busy to mess around with newbie info. De-link Jack's pages from the Main page, and put up a list of current resources. ANYTHING that shows current activity!! ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD
On 18 Apr 2006, at 21:59, Advertising Department wrote: (I'm totally confused about the nine versions of python for Mac OS X, the defunct or just not updated for 2 years MacPython pages, the current state of the macintosh specific library modules, etc.) To give my 2 cents... It doesn't really matter about a logo, icon, or universal build. If there is no recent info on the OFFICIAL python.org linked web pages, most new users will think it's become defunct, and look no further. I'm a new user too but I've never got the impression MacPython is dead. the presence of a Universal Binary suggests to me it's still alive. ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD
Advertising Department, In my opinion, the problem is the term MacPython. Python is Python, period, and we should just call it that, even if it's running on the Mac platform. Perhaps this was different in the pre-OSX days, but not now. I'd be happy to go though all the pages on python.org and stamp out references to MacPython. But the NEWS section of python.org is totally disfunctional. Months go by without anyone bothering to add anything to it; I think the trouble is that no one knows what the add procedure is. Bill ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD
It seems to me that it would be a good idea to UNLINK this site (http://homepages.cwi.nl/~jack/macpython/) -- remove all links to it from pythonmac.org, to begin with. In fact, I'd call it urgent. Charles Hartman On Apr 18, 2006, at 4:59 PM, Advertising Department wrote: (I'm totally confused about the nine versions of python for Mac OS X, the defunct or just not updated for 2 years MacPython pages, the current state of the macintosh specific library modules, etc.) To give my 2 cents... It doesn't really matter about a logo, icon, or universal build. If there is no recent info on the OFFICIAL python.org linked web pages, most new users will think it's become defunct, and look no further. NEWS April 2, 2004 MacPython 2.3.3 for Jaguar and MacPython-OS9 2.3.3 have finally been released. And on April 18, 2006, having no other information, we must assume in the last two years it's become totally stale, defunct and forgotten. Too bad. I guess I'll have to mess around with Java or Ruby. Doing a Google search produces way too much antique information for a newbie to sort thru, and just re-inforces the implication that python on Mac is dead. COME ON GUYS, get something up on the web page. ANYTHING!!! Point us to this list and tell us you've been too busy to mess around with newbie info. De-link Jack's pages from the Main page, and put up a list of current resources. ANYTHING that shows current activity!! ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD
On 4/18/06, kernel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18 Apr 2006, at 21:59, Advertising Department wrote: (I'm totally confused about the nine versions of python for Mac OS X, the defunct or just not updated for 2 years MacPython pages, the current state of the macintosh specific library modules, etc.) To give my 2 cents... It doesn't really matter about a logo, icon, or universal build. If there is no recent info on the OFFICIAL python.org linked web pages, most new users will think it's become defunct, and look no further. I'm a new user too but I've never got the impression MacPython is dead. the presence of a Universal Binary suggests to me it's still alive. Hmm, I go to python.org and right in my face: Universal Mac OSX binary for Python 2.4.3. Thanks for all the hard work on making this new build guys. Especially for getting rid of the need for pythonw. If you google mac python you might get those older pages, but those should be left there for several reasons. My 2 cents, Charlie ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD
To give my 2 cents... It doesn't really matter about a logo, icon, or universal build. If there is no recent info on the OFFICIAL python.org linked web pages, most new users will think it's become defunct, and look no further. Apparently this guy got past the main python.org page, with news about the Universal Binary, and also skipped the downloads/Macintosh section. Instead, he went straight to the Macintosh documentation (not unreasonable), which starts with Using Python on a Macintosh, which points to Jack's defunct site. Now let's fix the documentation... Bill ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD
| In my opinion, the problem is the term MacPython. Python is Python, | period, and we should just call it that, even if it's running on the Mac | platform. Perhaps this was different in the pre-OSX days, but not now. Make that 4 cents on dropping the Mac. The MacPython name is, to my ears, quite misleading. Terry ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD...Long Live Python on the Mac
On Apr 18, 2006, at 16:46, Terry Jones wrote: | In my opinion, the problem is the term MacPython. Python is Python, | period, and we should just call it that, even if it's running on the Mac | platform. Perhaps this was different in the pre-OSX days, but not now. Make that 4 cents on dropping the Mac. The MacPython name is, to my ears, quite misleading. In fact, in my view, MacPython was the special build for OS 9 and earlier. I have never thought of the OS X distributions as 'MacPython' but rather Python for OS X just as Python for Red Hat Linux are still Python, just packaged and bundled as RPMs in order to install and work properly on the Red Hat Linux platform. I noticed the web information is trending in that direction, let's just make a clean break. Even if John Dvorak thinks Apple and OS X are doomed ;-) On another topic, we need to archive and keep available Jack Jansen's work. Jack made a great contribution to Python on the Mac, more than I think any other single individual, and one that should not be forgotten. Really. Link to it from the wiki and make it clear it is historical in nature and pioneering work by a key individual. IMHO MacPython _is_ dead (but not forgotten), Long live Python on the Mac./IMHO ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
