Re: [Ql-Users] GST QED Editor

2012-02-19 Thread Dilwyn Jones
Dilwyn - can you add the GST programs to the Sinclair QL Homepage (split 
into different ZIP files!)


Rich


That took a bit longer than I thought!

So the GST 68K/OS, QC, QL Assembler and Q-Mac macro assembler are now 
available to download from ym website, as follows:


I have created a new page on my website for the GST 68K/OS stuff at 
http://www.dilwyn.me.uk/gst68kos/index.html although it doesn't include the 
microdrive software part as I don't know how to convert it (it's not the 
same as QDOS microdrive format).


On this page you can run the 68K/OS system in a QemuLator demo which Urs had 
prepared. If, like me, you get error messages when you try to use the demo 
QemuLator it is probably because you have another version ofQemuLator on 
your system - if so, use your registered version, go into the QL menu, 
select QL Configuration and find the GST_68K-OS BIN file to use as Main 
ROM in Qemulator and deselect any Back ROM such as a Toolkit 2 ROM image. 
Click OK. QemuLator should now start as a 68K/OS.


(Note: having never run this before I'm not 100% sure if the above 
instructions are correct - if they are, could someone let me know so I can 
add them to the web pageonce we know they are OK).


The Q-Mac and GST QL Assembler are both on the Assembler page on my website. 
The QL Assembler is under GST-ASM, and the Q-Mac is under Q-Mac on the page: 
http://www.dilwyn.me.uk/asm/index.html


The GST QC development system is on my C page at 
http://www.dilwyn.me.uk/c/index.html under GST QC. Not being C literate, I 
hope I have put this file together properly!


Various manuals, pictures and scanned adverts and reviews are available as 
separate zip and PDF files on the pages. Some of them are quite large, e.g. 
the scanned QC manual is over 20MB, so take note of the file sizes before 
downloading (file sizes are in brackets alongside the descriptions).


Dilwyn Jones. 


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Re: [Ql-Users] DEBUG

2012-02-19 Thread George Gwilt

On 18 Feb 2012, at 13:38, Michael Bulford wrote:

  
 I use DEBUG 0 and 1 for the same reasons as you and have never had the fault 
 you mention.
  
 If you could send me, privately, a copy of your program I'll try to locate 
 the problem.
  
 Thanks for your offer of help, this is really appreciated.  However, I 
 believe I have solved the problem.  I tried moving the piece of code to near 
 the beginning of the program, and this solved the puzzle.  My guess is that 
 because my program is over 64k, the DEBUG mechanism could not cope, so that 
 the fault is actually with Turbo.  DEBUG must be using unsigned integers, 
 when it should be using floating point variables.  That is my guess.  The 
 piece of code under question is:
  

DEBUG is trapped by PARSER_TASK to see whether code is to be ignored or 
compiled. If fact in PARSER_TASK the values 0 to 9 (which is the allowed range 
of DEBUG) are held in an fp variable.


 22268 REMark DEBUG 1
 22276 DEFine PROCedure how
 22284 LOCal p, scan_rt
 22292  CLS 2 : PRINT
 22300  p = BASIC_L(56)
 22308  REPeat scan_rt
 22316   p = p + 24
 22324   IF p  BASIC_L(60)-24 : EXIT scan_rt
 22332   IF BASIC_W%(p+18)0
 22340 PRINT Call at ;BASIC_W%(p+18); in ;
 22348   ELSE
 22356 PRINT Stop at ;BASIC_W%(146); in ;
 22364   END IF
 22372   IF BASIC_W%(p-12)  0 : IF NOT COMPILED : LIST #1; BASIC_W%(p-12)
 22380  END REPeat scan_rt
 22388 END DEFine how
 22396 REMark DEBUG 0
 

With the DEBUG commands REMarked out TURBO will ignore them.

With the DEBUG commands not REMarked out  the IF NOT COMPILED is, of course, 
not needed.


  
 This piece was copied from the Turbo Toolkit Demos file, the original 
 procedure name being How_COME.  My idea of using DEBUG was to try and save a 
 little bit of code, because my program is so large.
  
  

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Re: [Ql-Users] GST QED Editor

2012-02-19 Thread Rich Mellor

On 19/02/2012 15:00, Dilwyn Jones wrote:
Dilwyn - can you add the GST programs to the Sinclair QL Homepage 
(split into different ZIP files!)


Rich


That took a bit longer than I thought!

So the GST 68K/OS, QC, QL Assembler and Q-Mac macro assembler are now 
available to download from ym website, as follows:


I have created a new page on my website for the GST 68K/OS stuff at 
http://www.dilwyn.me.uk/gst68kos/index.html although it doesn't 
include the microdrive software part as I don't know how to convert it 
(it's not the same as QDOS microdrive format).


On this page you can run the 68K/OS system in a QemuLator demo which 
Urs had prepared. If, like me, you get error messages when you try to 
use the demo QemuLator it is probably because you have another version 
ofQemuLator on your system - if so, use your registered version, go 
into the QL menu, select QL Configuration and find the GST_68K-OS 
BIN file to use as Main ROM in Qemulator and deselect any Back ROM 
such as a Toolkit 2 ROM image. Click OK. QemuLator should now start as 
a 68K/OS.


(Note: having never run this before I'm not 100% sure if the above 
instructions are correct - if they are, could someone let me know so I 
can add them to the web pageonce we know they are OK).


The Q-Mac and GST QL Assembler are both on the Assembler page on my 
website. The QL Assembler is under GST-ASM, and the Q-Mac is under 
Q-Mac on the page: http://www.dilwyn.me.uk/asm/index.html


The GST QC development system is on my C page at 
http://www.dilwyn.me.uk/c/index.html under GST QC. Not being C 
literate, I hope I have put this file together properly!


Various manuals, pictures and scanned adverts and reviews are 
available as separate zip and PDF files on the pages. Some of them are 
quite large, e.g. the scanned QC manual is over 20MB, so take note of 
the file sizes before downloading (file sizes are in brackets 
alongside the descriptions).


Dilwyn Jones.
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Many thanks Dilwyn,

I couldn't find the microdrive images for use with 68K/OS - I presume 
they must be in the zip file somewhere  but then how has URS got 
them into the zip file?


What software was produced for 68K/OS - does anyone know?

There should be a 68K/Assembler if nothing else.

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Re: [Ql-Users] GST QED Editor

2012-02-19 Thread Dilwyn Jones
I couldn't find the microdrive images for use with 68K/OS - I presume they 
must be in the zip file somewhere  but then how has URS got them into 
the zip file?
No - the microdrive cartridges were 68K/OS format so Urs was unable to 
transfer them to a zip file. They are not there. Only the ROM image and 
manuals are there.


You would need to transfer them out of the 68K/OS microdrive cartridges and 
environment  somehow - I have no idea how. Plus of course it would be 
necessary to find a way of getting them back into the 68K/OS environment, or 
at least a hack to the QemuLator demo to allow 68K/OS to read MDV image 
files or a QLPAK somehow.


Dilwyn 


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Re: [Ql-Users] GST QED Editor

2012-02-19 Thread Jiri Dolezal


You would need to transfer them out of the 68K/OS microdrive  
cartridges and environment  somehow - I have no idea how.


One possibility is to create a ROM disk.
68k/OS interface has two extra ROM slots for the ROMdisk (and the  
ADAM environment is probably also stored in the ROM as a file on  
ROMdisk).
Problem is - no one knows, how the ROMdisk is organised. And,  
probably the two microdrive cartridges with utilities and assembler  
will not fit into 32 kB of ROM available for ROMdisk.


The second possibility is to send the file from microdrive to serial  
and archive its content on the PC, but I don't have this utility for  
68k/OS (as only one of the two cartridges was readable).


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Re: [Ql-Users] GST QED Editor

2012-02-19 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message B8842DD6878A48E6B2BCCB7729AE75A5@AnnPC, Dilwyn Jones 
dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk writes


Great work Dilwyn. Having all of this easily available will assist many 
people.


I also like the idea of 'mirror' web site ... ym as opposed to my 
... :-)


Dilwyn - can you add the GST programs to the Sinclair QL Homepage 
(split  into different ZIP files!)


Rich


That took a bit longer than I thought!

So the GST 68K/OS, QC, QL Assembler and Q-Mac macro assembler are now 
available to download from ym website, as follows:


I have created a new page on my website for the GST 68K/OS stuff at 
http://www.dilwyn.me.uk/gst68kos/index.html although it doesn't include 
the microdrive software part as I don't know how to convert it (it's 
not the same as QDOS microdrive format).


On this page you can run the 68K/OS system in a QemuLator demo which 
Urs had prepared. If, like me, you get error messages when you try to 
use the demo QemuLator it is probably because you have another version 
ofQemuLator on your system - if so, use your registered version, go 
into the QL menu, select QL Configuration and find the GST_68K-OS 
BIN file to use as Main ROM in Qemulator and deselect any Back ROM such 
as a Toolkit 2 ROM image. Click OK. QemuLator should now start as a 68K/OS.


(Note: having never run this before I'm not 100% sure if the above 
instructions are correct - if they are, could someone let me know so I 
can add them to the web pageonce we know they are OK).


The Q-Mac and GST QL Assembler are both on the Assembler page on my 
website. The QL Assembler is under GST-ASM, and the Q-Mac is under 
Q-Mac on the page: http://www.dilwyn.me.uk/asm/index.html


The GST QC development system is on my C page at 
http://www.dilwyn.me.uk/c/index.html under GST QC. Not being C 
literate, I hope I have put this file together properly!


Various manuals, pictures and scanned adverts and reviews are available 
as separate zip and PDF files on the pages. Some of them are quite 
large, e.g. the scanned QC manual is over 20MB, so take note of the 
file sizes before downloading (file sizes are in brackets alongside the 
descriptions).


Dilwyn Jones.
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Re: [Ql-Users] GST QED Editor

2012-02-19 Thread Dilwyn Jones
Great work Dilwyn. Having all of this easily available will assist many 
people.

Thanks, Malcolm.

I also like the idea of 'mirror' web site ... ym as opposed to my 
... :-)

um website...

One of these days I'll master the English language :o)

Dilwyn Jones

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Re: [Ql-Users] GST QED Editor

2012-02-19 Thread Gerhard Plavec

Dilwyn Jones schrieb:
I couldn't find the microdrive images for use with 68K/OS - I presume 
they must be in the zip file somewhere  but then how has URS got 
them into the zip file?
No - the microdrive cartridges were 68K/OS format so Urs was unable to 
transfer them to a zip file. They are not there. Only the ROM image 
and manuals are there.


You would need to transfer them out of the 68K/OS microdrive 
cartridges and environment  somehow - I have no idea how. Plus of 
course it would be necessary to find a way of getting them back into 
the 68K/OS environment, or at least a hack to the QemuLator demo to 
allow 68K/OS to read MDV image files or a QLPAK somehow.

What's about networking ?

I mean QL-networking of course: one QL running with 68K/OS another one 
with QDOS - may be they are compatible in this way - if not, have a try 
with a SER-connection (68KQL to QDOSQL or 68KQL to some computer with a 
RS232)


Gerhard

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Re: [Ql-Users] GST QED Editor

2012-02-19 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Gerhard Plavec wrote:
 I mean QL-networking of course: one QL running with 68K/OS another one
 with QDOS - may be they are compatible in this way - if not, have a try
 with a SER-connection (68KQL to QDOSQL or 68KQL to some computer with a
 RS232)

68K/OS is weird and in any case has no Basic or other language readily
available for experiments (plus my assembler microdrive died right
before I wanted to make a backup :-( But doesn't make much of a
difference as I don't have any documentation of the OS API).

I actually tried to extract the microdrive code from 68K/OS and
implant it into a QDOS executable, but it didn't work right away and I
didn't have the time to check why.

Marcel

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