[Ql-Users] R: Merry Christmas with SMSQ/E

[Simone Voltolini via Ql-Users]

Have a great 2018 guys!!!


--Simon




-Messaggio originale-
Da: Ql-Users [mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] Per conto di Norman
Dunbar via Ql-Users
Inviato: domenica 31 dicembre 2017 19:43
A: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Cc: Norman Dunbar 
Oggetto: Re: [Ql-Users] Merry Christmas with SMSQ/E

Happy New Year one and all.

I started pcb design a while back too. I use Fritzing and/or Kicad for mine.
Manually routing a pcb can seriously use up a good few hours of your life!
But it's [still] fun.

I will probably live to regret this but, let me know how/where to get the
DISA source and I  will take a look and try to understand it. I must say in
advance that time, as ever, is probably limited as my wife and I are in the
middle of dealing with a severe case of dementia affecting my mother in law.
This, as you can imagine, is a bit of a time killer, and the worst of it is,
she'll never get better.

I lost my own mother 2 years ago to the same horror, and my dad was recently
diagnosed with it too. Still, look on the bright side, it's not hereditory!

As mentioned above, all the best for 2018, and thanks for all the help, and
fun this past year.


Cheers,
Norm.
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Re: [Ql-Users] Merry Christmas with SMSQ/E

[Norman Dunbar via Ql-Users]

Happy New Year one and all.

I started pcb design a while back too. I use Fritzing and/or Kicad for mine. 
Manually routing a pcb can seriously use up a good few hours of your life! But 
it's [still] fun.

I will probably live to regret this but, let me know how/where to get the DISA 
source and I  will take a look and try to understand it. I must say in advance 
that time, as ever, is probably limited as my wife and I are in the middle of 
dealing with a severe case of dementia affecting my mother in law. This, as you 
can imagine, is a bit of a time killer, and the worst of it is, she'll never 
get better.

I lost my own mother 2 years ago to the same horror, and my dad was recently 
diagnosed with it too. Still, look on the bright side, it's not hereditory!

As mentioned above, all the best for 2018, and thanks for all the help, and fun 
this past year.


Cheers,
Norm.
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Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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Re: [Ql-Users] Merry Christmas with SMSQ/E

[pjwitte via Ql-Users]

On 30/12/2017 16:10, Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users wrote:

pjwitte via Ql-Users wrote:

Thanks, Marcel. Yes, I thought you might enjoy this little holiday
from "industrial" programming ;)

Oh well, I'm already swamped with non-industrial work, I have so many
ideas and projects on what to do that I hardly ever manage to finish
anything :-( I even started designing PCBs for fun and probably no profit.

Well, thats how the really Big Ideas are sometimes born :)

BTW, no criticism was ever intended of the creators of either SMSQ/E
or DISA!

Ah yes, DISA indeed still has some bugs, I occasionaly stumple upon
them, too. It might even be that I introduced some more in 3.05, I
don't know, but DISA is strictly "end of life" for me. The source code
(all assembler) is very complicated, life's too short to trying to
understand it. But if anybody REALLY wants to invest a few days or
even weeks of ones life to improve it, contact me...

Thanks for the warning. I pass ;)

Per
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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql-Users Digest, Vol 166, Issue 16

[Graeme Gregory via Ql-Users]

On Sun, 31 Dec 2017, at 9:07 AM, Paolo Del Bene via Ql-Users wrote:
> Have you ever thinked to port GNU/linux on the QL Sinclair?
> 
> Here the list of those GNU/linux distributions 100% Free Software
> 
> https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
> 
> Awaiting for your reply as soon as possible
> 
Been done.

http://linux-q40.sourceforge.net/

Wont work on BBQL though, needs a bit more meat than that!

Graeme
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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql-Users Digest, Vol 166, Issue 16

[Paolo Del Bene via Ql-Users]

Have you ever thinked to port GNU/linux on the QL Sinclair?

Here the list of those GNU/linux distributions 100% Free Software

https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html

Awaiting for your reply as soon as possible

Greetings,

Paolo Del Bene

On 30 Dec 2017 10:08 p.m.,  wrote:

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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 06:11:14 +0100
> From: Wolf 
> To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
> Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] New document on DV3 drivers
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> Hi Per,
>
> > Some programs, such as Qpac2 Files and Qmenu's DIR_ and FILE_SELECT$
> > seem to assume a maximum of 8 DDDs so, presumably, devices beyond that
> > would not be accessable via these programs.
> >
>
> Sure, the number of devices displayed is applicton specific. Marcel's
> latest version of the menu extensions dir_select (not file_select)
> allows for up to 10 devices, Qpac2 only 8, as you noted.
>
> Of course, in all you can also manually enter the device to display.
>
> Regards
>
> Wolfgang
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 13:39:45 +0100
> From: Marcel Kilgus 
> To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
> Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Merry Christmas with SMSQ/E
> Message-ID: <1587313466.20171230133...@kilgus.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> pjwitte via Ql-Users wrote:
> > If you want a really miserable Christmas, you could try the following
> > - without saving your work first:
> >
> > 1 x% = 32000
> > 2 y% = x%
> > 3 z% = 1600
> > 4 t? = x% * y% * z%: REMark Kabm!!!
> > 5 PRINT "-- Im dead!"
>
> Nice find and, as usual, good repro, thanks. As good as TT's code
> usually is, here he has used too many "magic numbers" instead of
> speaking EQU symbols and promptly used the wrong number (6 instead of
> 8) when calculating a code offset. I will send Wolgang the fix for the
> next release.
>
> What's happening:
>
> 1. "x% * y%" is "int16 * int16" and results in an "int32"
> 2. Then z% in "* z%" is promoted to "int32" so the operation is "int32 *
> int32"
> 3. It checks if the result will overflow, which it will in this case,
>so the operands are converted to "float" and it retries again using the
>"float * float" code path
> 4. But the code to retry jumps back into the "int32 * int32" path instead
>of the "float * float" path and hilarity ensues. This path has never
>worked since the dawn of SBasic :-o
>
> > The above crashes SMSQ/E 3.32 on QPC2 and SMSQmulator! Even the
> > four-finger reset wont work. The following is, as youd expect, fine:
> >
> > 1 x% = 32000
> > 2 y% = x%
> > 3 z% = 1600
> > 4 t? = x% * y%
> > 5 t? = t * z%
> > 6 PRINT "Yippi! - Im still alive!"
>
> "t" is float in this case, so "t * z%" is "float * int16". In this
> case z% is promoted into a float, so the operation is "float * float"
> from the start and everything is happy.
>
> Marcel
>
>
>
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> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 15:55:59 +0100
> From: pjwitte 
> To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
> Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Merry Christmas with SMSQ/E
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> Thanks, Marcel. Yes, I thought you might enjoy this little holiday
> from "industrial" programming ;)
>
> BTW, no criticism was ever intended of the creators of either SMSQ/E
> or DISA! Bugs are a fact of life, and not even Nature is imune (My
> brain is full of them, for starters - and thats not the inter-festive
> DT's talking!) The deeply philosophical line 5 (in the light of line
> 4) in the first code sample, is for anyone to ponder in the New Year -
> for which I wish y'all a happy one!..
>
> Per
> On 30/12/2017 13:39, Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users wrote:
> > pjwitte via Ql-Users wrote:
> >> If you want a really miserable Christmas, you could try the following
> >> - without saving your work first:
> >>
> >> 1 x% = 32000
> >> 2 y% = x%
> >> 3 z% = 1600
> >> 4 t? = x% * y% * z%: REMark Kabm!!!
> >> 5 PRINT "-- Im