Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD new driver

[Wolf via Ql-Users]

Hi Per,

done, re-upped with the keys.

BTW, I forgot to add that the driver is for v. 0.82 of the interface. If 
you have v. 0.75, please holler!!


Wolfgang

On 22/01/2018 17:08, pjwitte via Ql-Users wrote:

On 22/01/2018 10:41, Wolfgang Lenerz via Ql-Users wrote:

Nice one, Wolfgang :)

The sources state: include 'DEV1_q68_qlsd_keys', but I cant find the 
file anywhere..


Per

Hi all,

I've released a new driver for QL-SD that uses standard qxl.win drives
instead of Qubide ones.

It's for Minerva only, though.

You can download it from www.wlenerz.com/QLSD

Have fun.

Wolfgang
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Re: [Ql-Users] Char_Select problem

[Giorgio Garabello via Ql-Users]

We will have to start paying overtime to Marcel  :-D


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2018-01-22 15:11 GMT+01:00 Wolf via Ql-Users :

> Hi,
>
> yes, same here (in QL Mode 4 colours).
>
> Wolfgang
>
> On 22/01/2018 14:20, Giorgio Garabello via Ql-Users wrote:
>
>> Hi all, I found an error in the char_select menu of the extension 8.04
>> menu
>> The INK color of the character table remains black regardless of the
>> palette used.
>> Can you check if it happens to you too?
>>
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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD new driver

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On 22 Jan 2018 at 15:21, Wolf via Ql-Users wrote:

> > If only we could find another builder/supplier of the SD interface... :-)
> 
> Hopefully one that could work reliably with GC/SGC!

That would be nice. The QL-SD hardware is open source, everyone is 
invited to improve it toward GC/SGC tolerance.

Peter

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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD new driver

[Tobias Fröschle via Ql-Users]

Marcel,

that Schmidt-trigger is already there. Nice little SMD bug under the socket 
that sits in the ROMOEH line. Apparently, it doesn't help.

I have mixed experiences with GoldCards - One doesn't work at all, the other 
one (at least in one specific QL) rather well for days together with a QL-SD. 
But not well enough to go through the nuisance of destroyed file system every 
other week or so.

Tobias

> Am 22.01.2018 um 15:07 schrieb Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users 
> :
> 
> pgraf--- via Ql-Users wrote:
>> Remark: This new driver can not be expected to resolve the signal
>> quality issue between (Super)GoldCard and QL-SD. This remains a 
>> hardware problem.
> 
> One beta release ALMOST worked with my Gold Card, it could read a
> directory half-way before outputting garbage.
> 
> As I've understood your chip is 3.3V and the lines (or GND) is too
> noisy so that logic level 0 could be interpreted as 1 before the lines
> settle, because the chip samples them faster as older chips would, is
> that about right? Would it help to put a 74-style Schmitt-trigger in
> front of ROMOEH or something like that?
> 
> Marcel
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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD new driver

[pgraf--- via Ql-Users]

Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users wrote:

> As I've understood your chip is 3.3V and the lines (or GND) is too
> noisy so that logic level 0 could be interpreted as 1 before the lines
> settle

Yes this is one of the aspects, but it's not a 3.3V versus 5V issue. 
(The relevant logic levels are the same.)

The rise and fall timings of the SGC (and to a smaller degree GC) 
are too fast for the QL mainboard, which creates too much crosstalk 
and ringing. Even without QL-SD, illegal levels occur and can be 
seen on oscilloscope. The QL itself only works because it's hardware 
is too slow to "see" these illegal levels.

> because the chip samples them faster as older chips would, is
> that about right?

Roughly. A 400 MHz chip inside an ancient 8 MHz design.

> Would it help to put a 74-style Schmitt-trigger in
> front of ROMOEH or something like that?

http://www.dilwyn.me.uk/qlsd/qlsd-hardware-src.zip
-> qlromext-sch.pdf, see U4 ;)

Unfortunately this was not good enough to get the SGC working.

I guess the best solution would be another QL-SD design with an old, 
slow PLD. Second best: Experimenting with serial resitors in all 
lines. A different place (e.g. external ROM port) might also help, 
but it is hard to predict.

Peter

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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD new driver

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On 22/01/2018 10:41, Wolfgang Lenerz via Ql-Users wrote:

Nice one, Wolfgang :)

The sources state: include 'DEV1_q68_qlsd_keys', but I cant find the 
file anywhere..


Per

Hi all,

I've released a new driver for QL-SD that uses standard qxl.win drives
instead of Qubide ones.

It's for Minerva only, though.

You can download it from www.wlenerz.com/QLSD

Have fun.

Wolfgang
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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD new driver

[Wolf via Ql-Users]

Hi,


Does this new driver support QL-SD with two SD cards?


No, not as it is now. I was under the impression that a QL-SD with two 
SD cards practically doesn't exist.

If necessary, I could extend the driver to take care of that.

Wolfgang




On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 8:37 AM, Alain HAOUI via Ql-Users <
ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote:


Hi all,
Actually I am on the way to achieve a new browser (only browser now) for
all ql platforms and emulators which can deal with qubide or qlwa/qwa
multipartitioned devices or disk raw images, data cdrom or iso 9660 cd
images and qxl.win containers in any device or image.
It needs tk2, PE and should work on any ql platform with ~300kb of free
ram, under qdos or smsq.
For physical cdrom needs qubata driver or TG atapi/cdrom things.
Will be available within a few days.
Regards
Alain Haoui
Envoyé de mon téléphone

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Envoyé le :lundi 22 janvier 2018 14:41
À : ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com
Cc : Graeme Gregory
Objet :Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD new driver



On Mon, 22 Jan 2018, at 9:41 AM, Wolfgang Lenerz via Ql-Users wrote:

Hi all,

I've released a new driver for QL-SD that uses standard qxl.win drives
instead of Qubide ones.

It's for Minerva only, though.

You can download it from www.wlenerz.com/QLSD


And the next trick make qubide do the same :-D

Graeme
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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD new driver

[Dave Park via Ql-Users]

Does this new driver support QL-SD with two SD cards?

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 8:37 AM, Alain HAOUI via Ql-Users <
ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> Actually I am on the way to achieve a new browser (only browser now) for
> all ql platforms and emulators which can deal with qubide or qlwa/qwa
> multipartitioned devices or disk raw images, data cdrom or iso 9660 cd
> images and qxl.win containers in any device or image.
> It needs tk2, PE and should work on any ql platform with ~300kb of free
> ram, under qdos or smsq.
> For physical cdrom needs qubata driver or TG atapi/cdrom things.
> Will be available within a few days.
> Regards
> Alain Haoui
> Envoyé de mon téléphone
>
> De : Graeme Gregory via Ql-Users
> Envoyé le :lundi 22 janvier 2018 14:41
> À : ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com
> Cc : Graeme Gregory
> Objet :Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD new driver
>
>
>
> On Mon, 22 Jan 2018, at 9:41 AM, Wolfgang Lenerz via Ql-Users wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I've released a new driver for QL-SD that uses standard qxl.win drives
> > instead of Qubide ones.
> >
> > It's for Minerva only, though.
> >
> > You can download it from www.wlenerz.com/QLSD
> >
> And the next trick make qubide do the same :-D
>
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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD new driver

[Alain HAOUI via Ql-Users]

Hi all,
Actually I am on the way to achieve a new browser (only browser now) for all ql 
platforms and emulators which can deal with qubide or qlwa/qwa multipartitioned 
devices or disk raw images, data cdrom or iso 9660 cd images and qxl.win 
containers in any device or image.
It needs tk2, PE and should work on any ql platform with ~300kb of free ram, 
under qdos or smsq.
For physical cdrom needs qubata driver or TG atapi/cdrom things.
Will be available within a few days.
Regards
Alain Haoui
Envoyé de mon téléphone

De : Graeme Gregory via Ql-Users
Envoyé le :lundi 22 janvier 2018 14:41
À : ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com
Cc : Graeme Gregory
Objet :Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD new driver



On Mon, 22 Jan 2018, at 9:41 AM, Wolfgang Lenerz via Ql-Users wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I've released a new driver for QL-SD that uses standard qxl.win drives
> instead of Qubide ones.
> 
> It's for Minerva only, though.
> 
> You can download it from www.wlenerz.com/QLSD
> 
And the next trick make qubide do the same :-D

Graeme
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Re: [Ql-Users] Char_Select problem

[Wolf via Ql-Users]

Hi,

yes, same here (in QL Mode 4 colours).

Wolfgang

On 22/01/2018 14:20, Giorgio Garabello via Ql-Users wrote:

Hi all, I found an error in the char_select menu of the extension 8.04 menu
The INK color of the character table remains black regardless of the
palette used.
Can you check if it happens to you too?

Giorgio


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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD new driver

[Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users]

pgraf--- via Ql-Users wrote:
> Remark: This new driver can not be expected to resolve the signal
> quality issue between (Super)GoldCard and QL-SD. This remains a 
> hardware problem.

One beta release ALMOST worked with my Gold Card, it could read a
directory half-way before outputting garbage.

As I've understood your chip is 3.3V and the lines (or GND) is too
noisy so that logic level 0 could be interpreted as 1 before the lines
settle, because the chip samples them faster as older chips would, is
that about right? Would it help to put a 74-style Schmitt-trigger in
front of ROMOEH or something like that?

Marcel

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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD new driver

[Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users]

Martyn Hill via Ql-Users wrote:
> Do we have any understanding of the QL (Minerva) memory utilisation of
> WIN as compared to SDC? I'm thinking about the need with the SDC driver
> to keep container file-size small in order not to consume QL memory too
> aggressively for its (equivalent of) slave-blocks. E.g. for an 
> unexpanded QL of 128k, about 1.5MB container size seems to be the limit
> before you take too much memory to run the machine effectively.

Well, both drivers need to keep the FAT in memory, so the bigger the
container, the more memory you need for that (my 100MB file needs
about 100kb, so you probably want to stay smaller ;). More than 1.5MB
should be possible, though. Slave blocks probably don't really matter
IMHO.

Marcel

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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD new driver

[Martyn Hill via Ql-Users]

Hi WL

This is BRILLIANT - thank you so much for taking the initiative!

From reading the PDF, it also appears to bring the possibility of 
mapping multiple WIN drives (1..8) to distinct container files 
simultaneously, which - as far as I was aware - could not be achieved 
before with the original (and very effective, within its intended scope) 
SDC driver.


Do we have any understanding of the QL (Minerva) memory utilisation of 
WIN as compared to SDC? I'm thinking about the need with the SDC driver 
to keep container file-size small in order not to consume QL memory too 
aggressively for its (equivalent of) slave-blocks. E.g. for an 
unexpanded QL of 128k, about 1.5MB container size seems to be the limit 
before you take too much memory to run the machine effectively.


If only we could find another builder/supplier of the SD interface... :-)

Martyn Hill.

On 22/01/2018 13:41, Graeme Gregory via Ql-Users wrote:


On Mon, 22 Jan 2018, at 9:41 AM, Wolfgang Lenerz via Ql-Users wrote:

Hi all,

I've released a new driver for QL-SD that uses standard qxl.win drives
instead of Qubide ones.

It's for Minerva only, though.

You can download it from www.wlenerz.com/QLSD


And the next trick make qubide do the same :-D

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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD new driver

[Graeme Gregory via Ql-Users]

On Mon, 22 Jan 2018, at 9:41 AM, Wolfgang Lenerz via Ql-Users wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I've released a new driver for QL-SD that uses standard qxl.win drives
> instead of Qubide ones.
> 
> It's for Minerva only, though.
> 
> You can download it from www.wlenerz.com/QLSD
> 
And the next trick make qubide do the same :-D

Graeme
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[Ql-Users] Char_Select problem

[Giorgio Garabello via Ql-Users]

Hi all, I found an error in the char_select menu of the extension 8.04 menu
The INK color of the character table remains black regardless of the
palette used.
Can you check if it happens to you too?

Giorgio


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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD new driver

[Fabrizio Diversi via Ql-Users]

Hi,

really great news ! Thanks!!

BTW , I have installed the QL-SD hardware in one of my QLs and it works 
well with GoldCard, although no way to have it working with the SGC .


I am looking forward to buy another QL-SD adapter but I am not able to 
find it anywhere on the net.


Fabrizio


On 22/01/2018 12:22, Wolfgang Lenerz via Ql-Users wrote:

Hi,

What is expected to happen if SMSQ/E is loaded on a
GoldCard/Minerva/QL-SD system with this driver at $C000 in ROM?

The driver is expected to work as well as it can with GoldCard, i.e.
probably not at all. Your comment below says it all!



Remark: This new driver can not be expected to resolve the signal
quality issue between (Super)GoldCard and QL-SD. This remains a
hardware problem.


Indeed

Wolfgang
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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD new driver

[Wolfgang Lenerz via Ql-Users]

Hi,
> What is expected to happen if SMSQ/E is loaded on a
> GoldCard/Minerva/QL-SD system with this driver at $C000 in ROM?

The driver is expected to work as well as it can with GoldCard, i.e.
probably not at all. Your comment below says it all!


> Remark: This new driver can not be expected to resolve the signal
> quality issue between (Super)GoldCard and QL-SD. This remains a
> hardware problem.
>

Indeed

Wolfgang
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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD new driver

[Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users]

Wolfgang Lenerz via Ql-Users wrote:
> I've released a new driver for QL-SD that uses standard qxl.win drives
> instead of Qubide ones.

I've been beta testing this for a few weeks and it's a dream come
true. Finally a reliable way to exchange lots of data between my QPC
and the QL :-)

I have updated my German Minerva+QLSD combination here
https://www.kilgus.net/2017/03/05/german-minerva-rom/
for users of the German Minerva ROM.

Cheer, Marcel

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[Ql-Users] QL-SD new driver

[Wolfgang Lenerz via Ql-Users]

Hi all,

I've released a new driver for QL-SD that uses standard qxl.win drives
instead of Qubide ones.

It's for Minerva only, though.

You can download it from www.wlenerz.com/QLSD

Have fun.

Wolfgang
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