Re: [Ql-Users] New Q60s - Orders!
I will have to look into how much the parts cost and get back to you off the list. Derek Anton Preinsack wrote: I had an Email-exchange with Gerhard (Plavec) and he is interested in a Q60-motherboard, too. So there are (with me) two potential buyers by now! Who is interested, too? We need at least eight other people for a new batch of Q60s. Maybe this is the last chance to buy a new Q60, so don´t miss it;-) To Derek: How do you like our orders (and the payment)? Should I collect the orders for you and we pay you, when we have 10 orders? Regards, Anton ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] New Q60s - Orders!
Fine, thanks! Am 13.12.2009 um 12:17 schrieb Derek Stewart: I will have to look into how much the parts cost and get back to you off the list. Derek Anton Preinsack wrote: I had an Email-exchange with Gerhard (Plavec) and he is interested in a Q60-motherboard, too. So there are (with me) two potential buyers by now! Who is interested, too? ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[Ql-Users] New Q60s
Hi to all! Not long ago I contacted Derek Steward to asked him a few things about the Q60 for my QL-article (which will be published in the next issue of Amiga Future, www.amigafuture.de). To my surprise he told me, that the Q60 is still available from DD Systems, if there are at least ten orders for a new batch. As I am very interested in a Q60 (I think it is still a fine QL- successor and -replacement) I want to ask, if there are other people, who are willing to buy a new Q60? I know, that the price of the Q60 was often criticized, but compared for example with similar projects in the Atari-world (Milan, Medusa) the Q60 has a very fair price (for a very special computer in small quantities). Beside of this, I suggested Derek to sell the Q60 not only as complete system but also only the motherboard. I think most of us are able to build a complete system around the motherboard, so this solution would be cheaper than buying a complete system (especially when you live outside of GB - shipping costs!). In general I find it a little bit sad, that the Q60 wasn´t a greater success and that there is no new real hardware in the QL-land anymore. Don´t get me wrong: QPC is a great product and I bought it from Jochen a few months ago. But I think real hardware is important, too. So I hope, that there are at least nine other people, who are thinking like me;-) Kind regards, Anton ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] New Q60s
Anton, The Q60 was marketed as a complete cased solution and available as a motherboard. Most people who bought a Q60 purchased the motherboard option, as they have the necessary skills to install the Q60 into a case. Myself being a QL enthusiast, I have all QL hardware, emulators. I like the SMSQ/E, Minerva, QDOS operating systems. No matter what platform it runs on. At present I have QPC2 running a Quad Core Q9550 which makes the QPC2 emulation very slick. But I also like using QL Hardware based machines and have 3 standard QLs running connected by Sernet to a QXL on 486 PC, Q40, Atari ST Emulator, Supergold card Aurora QL and QPC2, using a custom Sernet hub box I made a few years ago. All in all a pretty diverse setup. Derek Anton Preinsack wrote: Hi to all! Not long ago I contacted Derek Steward to asked him a few things about the Q60 for my QL-article (which will be published in the next issue of Amiga Future, www.amigafuture.de). To my surprise he told me, that the Q60 is still available from DD Systems, if there are at least ten orders for a new batch. As I am very interested in a Q60 (I think it is still a fine QL-successor and -replacement) I want to ask, if there are other people, who are willing to buy a new Q60? I know, that the price of the Q60 was often criticized, but compared for example with similar projects in the Atari-world (Milan, Medusa) the Q60 has a very fair price (for a very special computer in small quantities). Beside of this, I suggested Derek to sell the Q60 not only as complete system but also only the motherboard. I think most of us are able to build a complete system around the motherboard, so this solution would be cheaper than buying a complete system (especially when you live outside of GB - shipping costs!). In general I find it a little bit sad, that the Q60 wasn´t a greater success and that there is no new real hardware in the QL-land anymore. Don´t get me wrong: QPC is a great product and I bought it from Jochen a few months ago. But I think real hardware is important, too. So I hope, that there are at least nine other people, who are thinking like me;-) Kind regards, Anton ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] New Q60s
On 12 Dec 2009, at 11:44, Anton Preinsack wrote: Not long ago I contacted Derek Steward to asked him a few things about the Q60 for my QL-article (which will be published in the next issue of Amiga Future, www.amigafuture.de). To my surprise he told me, that the Q60 is still available from DD Systems, if there are at least ten orders for a new batch. As I am very interested in a Q60 (I think it is still a fine QL-successor and -replacement) I want to ask, if there are other people, who are willing to buy a new Q60? I know, that the price of the Q60 was often criticized, but compared for example with similar projects in the Atari-world (Milan, Medusa) the Q60 has a very fair price (for a very special computer in small quantities). Beside of this, I suggested Derek to sell the Q60 not only as complete system but also only the motherboard. I think most of us are able to build a complete system around the motherboard, so this solution would be cheaper than buying a complete system (especially when you live outside of GB - shipping costs!). In general I find it a little bit sad, that the Q60 wasn´t a greater success and that there is no new real hardware in the QL-land anymore. Don´t get me wrong: QPC is a great product and I bought it from Jochen a few months ago. But I think real hardware is important, too. So I hope, that there are at least nine other people, who are thinking like me;-) Yes, the Q60 is a good machine. One thing it has that QPC2 does not is the Floating Point Unit. Simon Goodwin wrote some software using this unit to replace the SMSQ/E trig functions. I think these routines come with the Q60 software. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] New Q60s
In general I find it a little bit sad, that the Q60 wasn´t a greater success and that there is no new real hardware in the QL-land anymore. Don´t get me wrong: QPC is a great product and I bought it from Jochen a few months ago. But I think real hardware is important, too. So I hope, that there are at least nine other people, who are thinking like me;-) I've always thought that both systems had great merits. On the one hand, Q60 is probably the best hardware-based QL money can buy. It gives a choice of QDOS (with the QDOS Classic system), SMSQ/E and Linux (with the Q60 Linux CD you can get from Peter and Claus Graf www.q40.de). Marcel has mentioned the problem with finding a monitor because of the 1024x512 screen resolution, but apart from that it's a great system. Personally, I would love a Q60 but I simply don't have the room in the house! We both have PCs here and I also have an Aurora. I use the Windows software for browsing, email (at least until I finish my Q-Mail project which due to lack of time has been on the boil for about 2 years now!), scanner, MP3, etc which I can't do on QPC2. Windows is also handy on a home system for me because I use Windows at work. QPC2 is my favoured system for the simple reason it runs on a Windows system and lets me have the best of both worlds of Windows and SMSQ/E. Emulator and QL2K are installed on the PC for testing programs, but not used regularly. Actually, it's not quite that simple any more - using Windows QemuLator you can choose to use any QDOS ROM, including Minerva, or even choose to run the Gold Card version of SMSQ/E if you want. IIRC that would let you use 256-colour mode on QemuLator too, like an Aurora. It's always been my view that if you want the best dedicated QL system (with the option of Linux as an extra benefit) you go for a Q60. If you want the best of both worlds of a Windows and QL get QPC2 on a Windows PC (or using something like WINE on Linux). In other words, apart from individual preference and individual circumstances, there is no major reason why either system would be better. You just have to consider what's best for you. -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] New Q60s
On 12 Dec 2009, at 12:35, Marcel Kilgus wrote: QPC replaces the SMSQ/E trig (and other) functions with x86 floating point code, so that's even faster ;) But apart from that QPC2 is lacking native FPU support, yes. The point about Q60 having an FPU is to allow programmers to use it for themselves. I agree that QPC2 is much faster all round than the Q60. Perhaps FPU for users should be added to QPC2?? George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] New Q60s
On 12 Dec 2009, at 13:25, Dilwyn Jones wrote: It's always been my view that if you want the best dedicated QL system (with the option of Linux as an extra benefit) you go for a Q60. If you want the best of both worlds of a Windows and QL get QPC2 on a Windows PC (or using something like WINE on Linux). In other words, apart from individual preference and individual circumstances, there is no major reason why either system would be better. You just have to consider what's best for you. I find that QPC2 on an Apple Mac with a virtual machine running Windows XP has advantages over a plain PC. The virtual machine (VMware) allows the state of Windows, and therefore QPC2, to be stored when the program is stopped so that when you start up again you still have the QPC2 exactly as it was when you switched off. I can ask my PC laptop to hibernate and this has the same effect, except that sometimes this fails and you have to restart from scratch. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] New Q60s
gdgqler wrote: The point about Q60 having an FPU is to allow programmers to use it for themselves. I agree that QPC2 is much faster all round than the Q60. Perhaps FPU for users should be added to QPC2?? I've looked into it many times and found it too much work for the payoff (which I expect to be next to none). Granted, back then I was quite a bit younger and all this floating point stuff seemed much more intimidating. Nowadays I could probably pull it off with much more easy but don't have nearly the free time I had then... Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] New Q60s
Hi Dilwyn, Am 12.12.2009 um 14:25 schrieb Dilwyn Jones: It's always been my view that if you want the best dedicated QL system (with the option of Linux as an extra benefit) you go for a Q60. If you want the best of both worlds of a Windows and QL get QPC2 on a Windows PC (or using something like WINE on Linux). In other words, apart from individual preference and individual circumstances, there is no major reason why either system would be better. You just have to consider what's best for you. I fully agree with you. There is no reason, why both systems can´t live together. I will still use QPC2 on a laptop when I (hopefully) get a Q60-system. And I hope, I don´t have to buy 10 Q60s to get one.;-) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[Ql-Users] New Q60s - Orders!
I had an Email-exchange with Gerhard (Plavec) and he is interested in a Q60-motherboard, too. So there are (with me) two potential buyers by now! Who is interested, too? We need at least eight other people for a new batch of Q60s. Maybe this is the last chance to buy a new Q60, so don´t miss it;-) To Derek: How do you like our orders (and the payment)? Should I collect the orders for you and we pay you, when we have 10 orders? Regards, Anton ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
