Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD news
Thank you Marcel! Really good news. I am using QL-SD adapter since quite a lot of time and it is definitively an important upgrade for the BBQL I am not sure if I understood well and you will produce some units by yourself, In case yes I will be delighted to have one board (may be 2 :-):-)) Thank you again Fabrizio On 29/03/2018 23:29, Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users wrote: Speaking of only announcing stuff that basically already works, I have made huge progress regarding my work on QL-SD that I was going to write about today anyway: https://www.kilgus.net/2018/03/29/ql-sd-news/ Hope this is interesting to you all. Cheers, Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD news
Peter Graf via Ql-Users wrote: >> As far as I could gather in my limited tests, INGOT 5 never worked >> (which includes the Tetroid) and INGOT 6 worked or at least mostly >> worked. > That makes me a little sceptic, because I have one labelled "INGOT 5" > which worked (with the original driver and not fully reliable). There are possibly other factors as well, but it doesn't really matter. The key here is to only sample the lines at a point in time when you know they must be valid because otherwise the QL would not work at all. >>> As for the daughter board, why do you want to re-design it? >> >> Using the push-to-eject style daughter boards is a lot cheaper and >> easier to do than your original design. > The card socket I used was around 2 € the last time I looked - no idea > why it should be hard to solder. Well, matter of taste. That is indeed cheaper than I expected, Reichelt was at 5€ IIRC. The whole daugther board including SD socket, voltage regulator and resistors however costs 1,50€ when bought from a reseller in Germany or 50ct when bought directly in China... so it's not only cheaper but saves time in manufacturing. >> Besides, I don't have your original designs ;) > There is also the option to ask ;) I'm a naturally shy guy ;-) Cheers, Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD news
Am 30.03.2018 um 00:47 schrieb Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users: > Peter Graf via Ql-Users wrote: >> Did you test your logic changes with a non-Tetroid GC inside a QL where >> the original logic did *not* work reliably? >> >> I'm asking, because IIRC you reported total failure of the original >> logic with the Tetroid GC, while my experience was, that non-Tetroid GC >> always basically worked, just not reliably in some QLs. > > As far as I could gather in my limited tests, INGOT 5 never worked > (which includes the Tetroid) and INGOT 6 worked or at least mostly > worked. That makes me a little sceptic, because I have one labelled "INGOT 5" which worked (with the original driver and not fully reliable). >> As for the daughter board, why do you want to re-design it? > > Using the push-to-eject style daughter boards is a lot cheaper and > easier to do than your original design. The card socket I used was around 2 € the last time I looked - no idea why it should be hard to solder. Well, matter of taste. > Besides, I don't have your original designs ;) There is also the option to ask ;) All the best Peter ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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Peter Graf via Ql-Users wrote: > Did you test your logic changes with a non-Tetroid GC inside a QL where > the original logic did *not* work reliably? > > I'm asking, because IIRC you reported total failure of the original > logic with the Tetroid GC, while my experience was, that non-Tetroid GC > always basically worked, just not reliably in some QLs. As far as I could gather in my limited tests, INGOT 5 never worked (which includes the Tetroid) and INGOT 6 worked or at least mostly worked. Difficult to tell because the software had a few remaining issues, too, but I haven't been able to crash it or corrupt any data for a few days so I consider it stable now. > That would mean conclusions from Tetroid to non-Tetroid is not > possible. Original INGOT 5 GCs were tested and started to work, too. Not with the latest logic that includes the SGC fix, but the GC fix alone already worked for them and if anything the latest version should make it even more stable. > As for the daughter board, why do you want to re-design it? Using the push-to-eject style daughter boards is a lot cheaper and easier to do than your original design. Besides, I don't have your original designs ;) Only problem is that the card cannot be centered in the MDV drive with them, which bothers me a bit but is difficult to change due to the positions of the screws. Also, dual-slot would be cool. > Will you upload your logic changes to the QL-SD section of Dilwyn's site? Eventually, sure. All the best, Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD news
Am 29.03.2018 um 23:29 schrieb Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users: > Speaking of only announcing stuff that basically already works, I have > made huge progress regarding my work on QL-SD that I was going to > write about today anyway: > > https://www.kilgus.net/2018/03/29/ql-sd-news/ Must have been a lot of work. Let's hope there will be no further issues, as there is quite a number of combinations to test. By the way, interesting to hear that you prefer my original idea of an internal version. Did you test your logic changes with a non-Tetroid GC inside a QL where the original logic did *not* work reliably? I'm asking, because IIRC you reported total failure of the original logic with the Tetroid GC, while my experience was, that non-Tetroid GC always basically worked, just not reliably in some QLs. That would mean conclusions from Tetroid to non-Tetroid is not possible. As for the daughter board, why do you want to re-design it? Will you upload your logic changes to the QL-SD section of Dilwyn's site? Good luck, Peter ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD news
Awesome!You are the best! 2018-03-29 23:43 GMT+02:00 Graeme Gregory via Ql-Users < ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com>: > > > On Thu, 29 Mar 2018, at 10:42 PM, Dave Park via Ql-Users wrote: > > A Lattice JTAG programmer is all. > > > I have a couple of FTDI JTAG doodats, but no specific Lattice one. > > Graeme > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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On Thu, 29 Mar 2018, at 10:42 PM, Dave Park via Ql-Users wrote: > A Lattice JTAG programmer is all. > I have a couple of FTDI JTAG doodats, but no specific Lattice one. Graeme ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD news
A Lattice JTAG programmer is all. On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 4:41 PM, Graeme Gregory via Ql-Users < ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote: > > > On Thu, 29 Mar 2018, at 10:29 PM, Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users wrote: > > Speaking of only announcing stuff that basically already works, I have > > made huge progress regarding my work on QL-SD that I was going to > > write about today anyway: > > > > https://www.kilgus.net/2018/03/29/ql-sd-news/ > > > > Hope this is interesting to you all. > > > What is required to flash the CPLD (just in case I already have the > widgets here). > > Graeme > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > -- Dave Park d...@sinclairql.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD news
On Thu, 29 Mar 2018, at 10:29 PM, Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users wrote: > Speaking of only announcing stuff that basically already works, I have > made huge progress regarding my work on QL-SD that I was going to > write about today anyway: > > https://www.kilgus.net/2018/03/29/ql-sd-news/ > > Hope this is interesting to you all. > What is required to flash the CPLD (just in case I already have the widgets here). Graeme ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD news
This is amazing work! It also means I can stop my occasional work on my QL-SD version. I have no desire to sell a QL-SD into a crowded marketplace. Instead, I'd like to buy one for compatibility testing on Issue 8. This lets me focus on other projects that I have been neglecting this last month, due to life events. Dave On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 4:29 PM, Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users < ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote: > Speaking of only announcing stuff that basically already works, I have > made huge progress regarding my work on QL-SD that I was going to > write about today anyway: > > https://www.kilgus.net/2018/03/29/ql-sd-news/ > > Hope this is interesting to you all. > > Cheers, Marcel > > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > -- Dave Park d...@sinclairql.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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That is great news Marcel :) Rich Mellor RWAP Software www.rwapsoftware.co.uk www.sellmyretro.com On 2018-03-29 22:29, Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users wrote: Speaking of only announcing stuff that basically already works, I have made huge progress regarding my work on QL-SD that I was going to write about today anyway: https://www.kilgus.net/2018/03/29/ql-sd-news/ Hope this is interesting to you all. Cheers, Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List ___ QL-Users Mailing List
[Ql-Users] QL-SD news
Speaking of only announcing stuff that basically already works, I have made huge progress regarding my work on QL-SD that I was going to write about today anyway: https://www.kilgus.net/2018/03/29/ql-sd-news/ Hope this is interesting to you all. Cheers, Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD News
Me as well please. Kenn Sent from my iPhone On 5 Dec 2013, at 10:01, Lee Privett lee.priv...@gmail.com wrote: Initially 2 for me too On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Ian Burkinshaw ian.burkins...@btopenworld.com wrote: Hi Peter If it helps in gaining a measure outside Germany, I would be interested in 2/3 QL-SD units. Ian Burkinshaw - Original Message - From: Peter Graf pg...@q40.de To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD News Francois Lanciault wrote: Looking forward to an official news with price and availability. At the moment QL-SD is only available within Germany, orders through the German QL Forum. Current price is EUR 60 including a preformattet SDHC card, Minerva operating system and drivers EPROM, Microdrive slot access unit and shipment. QL-SD is in a phase of testing, gathering experience, improving the manual, and investigating the (Super) Gold Card issues. Should experiences and pre-orders be encouraging, the next batch is planned prior to the German Sinclair meeting in April. Peter ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- Regards Lee Privett ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD News
Hi, thanks, Kenn, Lee, Ian. From my side, QL-SD was purely a charity project. I'm not involved in any commercial aspects. So except from seeing that the work of Adrian and me is useful for a few QLers, it won't change much if I read this here. If you like, maybe one of you can collect emails and the numbers of requested devices, so they can be handed to Paul Veltjens at some point. At best, a member of the German forum is on this list. Gold Card and Super Gold Card are not recommended for QL-SD at the moment, so please only expect QL-SD for normal QLs. The Gold Card issues might just be version related, and if some of the secret Gold Card specs can be found or re-engineered, we might be able to solve. For example my own Gold Card seems to work. The Super Gold Card definitely drives the QL mainboard out of the TTL specification electrically. It is vague wether there will be a reliable solution. Peter ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[Ql-Users] QL-SD News
Hi, the restriction that a QL memory expansion is madatory for QL-SD has been removed. If a QL-SD filesystem of 3 MB size (and Groupsize 8) is attached, there still remains 62.5 KB free memory on an unexpanded QL. Not very much, but enough to load TK2 and still be able do useful things. This way, even an unexpanded QL has more mass storage than the ED floppy interface of a (Super) Gold Card offers, and that at harddisk speed without moving mechanical parts. (Larger filesystems, like the 64 MB default, can not be used on an unexpanded QL at all. This won't change.) Peter ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Cool! Excellent work! Dave On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Peter pg...@q40.de wrote: Hi, the restriction that a QL memory expansion is madatory for QL-SD has been removed. If a QL-SD filesystem of 3 MB size (and Groupsize 8) is attached, there still remains 62.5 KB free memory on an unexpanded QL. Not very much, but enough to load TK2 and still be able do useful things. This way, even an unexpanded QL has more mass storage than the ED floppy interface of a (Super) Gold Card offers, and that at harddisk speed without moving mechanical parts. (Larger filesystems, like the 64 MB default, can not be used on an unexpanded QL at all. This won't change.) Peter ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- Dave Park Sandy Electronics, LLC d...@sinclairql.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Totally agree, excellent work and exciting to say the least. On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Dave Park d...@sinclairql.com wrote: Cool! Excellent work! Dave On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Peter pg...@q40.de wrote: Hi, the restriction that a QL memory expansion is madatory for QL-SD has been removed. If a QL-SD filesystem of 3 MB size (and Groupsize 8) is attached, there still remains 62.5 KB free memory on an unexpanded QL. Not very much, but enough to load TK2 and still be able do useful things. This way, even an unexpanded QL has more mass storage than the ED floppy interface of a (Super) Gold Card offers, and that at harddisk speed without moving mechanical parts. (Larger filesystems, like the 64 MB default, can not be used on an unexpanded QL at all. This won't change.) Peter ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- Dave Park Sandy Electronics, LLC d...@sinclairql.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- Regards Lee Privett ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD News
Looking forward to an official news with price and availability. François De: Lee Privett Envoyé: mercredi 4 décembre 2013 10:50 À: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Répondre à: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Objet: Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD News Totally agree, excellent work and exciting to say the least. On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Dave Park d...@sinclairql.com wrote: Cool! Excellent work! Dave On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Peter pg...@q40.de wrote: Hi, the restriction that a QL memory expansion is madatory for QL-SD has been removed. If a QL-SD filesystem of 3 MB size (and Groupsize 8) is attached, there still remains 62.5 KB free memory on an unexpanded QL. Not very much, but enough to load TK2 and still be able do useful things. This way, even an unexpanded QL has more mass storage than the ED floppy interface of a (Super) Gold Card offers, and that at harddisk speed without moving mechanical parts. (Larger filesystems, like the 64 MB default, can not be used on an unexpanded QL at all. This won't change.) Peter ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- Dave Park Sandy Electronics, LLC d...@sinclairql.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- Regards Lee Privett ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD News
Hi Peter If it helps in gaining a measure outside Germany, I would be interested in 2/3 QL-SD units. Ian Burkinshaw - Original Message - From: Peter Graf pg...@q40.de To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD News Francois Lanciault wrote: Looking forward to an official news with price and availability. At the moment QL-SD is only available within Germany, orders through the German QL Forum. Current price is EUR 60 including a preformattet SDHC card, Minerva operating system and drivers EPROM, Microdrive slot access unit and shipment. QL-SD is in a phase of testing, gathering experience, improving the manual, and investigating the (Super) Gold Card issues. Should experiences and pre-orders be encouraging, the next batch is planned prior to the German Sinclair meeting in April. Peter ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD News
Two third of a unit !! :-) De: Ian Burkinshaw Envoyé: mercredi 4 décembre 2013 17:02 À: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Répondre à: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Objet: Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD News Hi Peter If it helps in gaining a measure outside Germany, I would be interested in 2/3 QL-SD units. Ian Burkinshaw - Original Message - From: Peter Graf pg...@q40.de To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD News Francois Lanciault wrote: Looking forward to an official news with price and availability. At the moment QL-SD is only available within Germany, orders through the German QL Forum. Current price is EUR 60 including a preformattet SDHC card, Minerva operating system and drivers EPROM, Microdrive slot access unit and shipment. QL-SD is in a phase of testing, gathering experience, improving the manual, and investigating the (Super) Gold Card issues. Should experiences and pre-orders be encouraging, the next batch is planned prior to the German Sinclair meeting in April. Peter ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
