Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod
On 13 Sep 2006, at 16:56, Marcel Kilgus wrote: On a similar subject, whats the average age of you guys... Don't lie, I've seen the pictures :-) My average age is 26. Which, coincidentally, is currently also my upper and lower bounds! ;-) But that was yesterday! George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod
I reckon if you run SMSQ on a machine with Godl Card or Super Gold Card then it would all work OK. It seems SMSQ has easy http support. Now *displaying* is a different matter (8-)# Regarding this matter. Whilst i can see that it would be difficult for a relative novice like me to write a text based browser, I guess i can be simplistic in my approach and see the HTTP as being a file that follows a logical structure. OK, that structure can be anywhere between not complex and seriously complex but so long as it is organised chaos then it is possible ( i can just see the hundreds of hours involved in writing this! ). I'm ignoring the fun and Games getting the http to look semi formatted on the QL screen and also ignore how Id cope with links, or rather, the processing of them. I can see that this could become my lng term project. On a similar subject, whats the average age of you guys... Don't lie, I've seen the pictures :-) as a starter for ten, I was born the year we last won the world cup so the average currently stands at 40, any advance ! :-p *** The contents of this email are confidential to the intended recipient. It may not be disclosed to or used by anyone other than the addressee, nor may it be copied in any way. If received in error, please contact the company on 01793-715380, then delete it from your system. Please note neither the company nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan attachments (if any) for viruses. No contract may be concluded on behalf of the company by means of email communications. www.boxclever.co.uk *** ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod
Neil Riley wrote: Regarding this matter. Whilst i can see that it would be difficult for a relative novice like me to write a text based browser, I guess i can be simplistic in my approach and see the HTTP as being a file that follows a logical structure. HTTP is just the transfer protocol and that's not too difficult. What you probably mean is HTML and THAT is truly a bitch. I can see that this could become my lng term project. Well, we do have a lynx port which works. As well as lynx can work, at least (I don't link it. Much prefer links or w3m if I have to use a text browser). On a similar subject, whats the average age of you guys... Don't lie, I've seen the pictures :-) My average age is 26. Which, coincidentally, is currently also my upper and lower bounds! ;-) Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Neil Riley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I reckon if you run SMSQ on a machine with Godl Card or Super Gold Card then it would all work OK. It seems SMSQ has easy http support. Now *displaying* is a different matter (8-)# Regarding this matter. Whilst i can see that it would be difficult for a relative novice like me to write a text based browser, I guess i can be simplistic in my approach and see the HTTP as being a file that follows a logical structure. OK, that structure can be anywhere between not complex and seriously complex but so long as it is organised chaos then it is possible ( i can just see the hundreds of hours involved in writing this! ). I'm ignoring the fun and Games getting the http to look semi formatted on the QL screen and also ignore how Id cope with links, or rather, the processing of them. I can see that this could become my lng term project. Jonathan Hudson ported over the Lynx browser from Linux, hence you have to set it up in the correct way for a QL. So, no need to worry about a text only browser, as this does the job OK. Try that out first when you can. However, you could develop a new browser, with far more features by either starting from scratch ... a big project ... or adapting another source to the QL environment. On a similar subject, whats the average age of you guys... Don't lie, I've seen the pictures :-) as a starter for ten, I was born the year we last won the world cup so the average currently stands at 40, any advance ! :-p ... Erm ... higher ... :-) -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod
Neil Riley writes: On a similar subject, whats the average age of you guys... Don't lie, I've seen the pictures :-) as a starter for ten, I was born the year we last won the world cup so the average currently stands at 40, any advance ! :-p Ive been 40 these past 10 years. Marcel must be cheating though. Surely his /average/ age is only 13? Per ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod
P Witte wrote: Ive been 40 these past 10 years. Marcel must be cheating though. Surely his /average/ age is only 13? I just knew some old geezer will try to ruin my little joke with statistics. Thought I would have guessed it to be Jim! So there, having insulted both Per and Jim, my work here is done. :-) Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod--thanks
Thanks--that's as much as succinctly as I've seen on 'Net-ing the QL... Bill Cable thought I might give a session at QL-NA in Canada end of the month. I don't see any way I can leave some emergencies here in town at that time. I had hoped at least to make it without material for a session but with the purpose of picking everyone's brains to aim to next year. However, the below gives me a start. And it seems to assume a fairly basic QL--I have SGC and now SuperHermes. Doug (LaVerne) 37830 USA -Original Message- From: David McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 12, 2006 11:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod On Tue, 2006-09-12 at 11:35 +0100, Neil Riley wrote: I seem to remember these items appearing originally. Are they still used today or are they museum pieces? They were very slow (remember the QL serial port is only capable of 19K and only reliable for reception at 9K!) To get 56K you would need to upgrade your QL with a SuperHermes (£53 new from Tony Firshman). Then you could use a conventional serial modem, which are still made: I have one with my PC (£30 new). No broadband, though! Jon Dent's soQL-PPP has got as far as giving email access, but not (yet) web access. When (if?) the latter comes, there's already a QL version of Lynx for browsing. Until then, the only way to browse the web on a QL seems to be by finding a secondhand copy of the MSDOS emulator, PC Conqueror, and running Arachne (graphical) or Bobcat (text). However, I remember that the Minix operating system was ported to the QL, which should be faster than a DOS emulator. If you could get that, I assume it would be possible to compile and run a Linux/Unix version of Lynx. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod
David McCann wrote: On Tue, 2006-09-12 at 11:35 +0100, Neil Riley wrote: I seem to remember these items appearing originally. Are they still used today or are they museum pieces? They were very slow (remember the QL serial port is only capable of 19K and only reliable for reception at 9K!) To get 56K you would need to upgrade your QL with a SuperHermes (£53 new from Tony Firshman). Then you could use a conventional serial modem, which are still made: I have one with my PC (£30 new). No broadband, though! That is superHermes Lite - which is 19200 bps. The full superHermes is needed for 56k - and you need Goldcard at least for the full throughput. Saving 56k to media is marginal with a standard QL. Jon Dent's soQL-PPP has got as far as giving email access, but not (yet) web access. When (if?) the latter comes, there's already a QL version of Lynx for browsing. Until then, the only way to browse the web on a QL seems to be by finding a secondhand copy of the MSDOS emulator, PC Conqueror, and running Arachne (graphical) or Bobcat (text). However, I remember that the Minix operating system was ported to the QL, which should be faster than a DOS emulator. If you could get that, I assume it would be possible to compile and run a Linux/Unix version of Lynx. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod
Tony, The BBS closed down 5 years, I think, no one was using it. I still have 2 V90 USR modems, which I guess are surplus to requirements these days as everyone is using PC hardware and internal PC V90 modem are less then £5 The best option was to have SuperHermes to give the fastest serial port to modem speed, which allowed the modem to connect at 33600 Baud through the BT network. It is a pity that no one wants to use the system, as I got Phil Borman to make many chnages to Pbox, to make it have the functionality of the Remote Access BBS software. I still have the software setup on disk, maybe I could convert it to a Internet node on a SMSQ/E system. But it is temping to use Linux or even Windows since it works. But I fancy a QL Internet node. Derek On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:51:59 +0100 Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Derek Stewart wrote: Neil, You would be better not considering the Tandata Modem, as the QCONNECT unit can connect to a standard external modem. But the serial chip in the QCON unit had an overrun problem. I used to run a BBS with Tandata Qconnect with a Amstrad SM2400 modem. It did not work that well. Then... Hermes came out, I threw the Tandata units into the bin and connect the Amstrad SM2400 direct to the QL SER2 port and all was great. I upgraded the slow Amstrad SM2400 modem to a V90 US Robotics modem and the BBS now running PBOX ran at 33600 Baud dependant on Line speeds. You don't say, but that had to be with superHermes SER3, not Hermes , of course. Hermes maximum is a bit under 14400. superHermes Lite gives a full 19200 off the standard QL ports. 'now running' or 'ran'? I thought you had closed it down? So my advice is to get: Hermes Chip, SuperHermes Lite, SuperHermes Tony ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod
Tony Firshman wrote: The main problem was that the input handshake (8049 chip) was bugged. Hermes uses the same basic hardware (but erasable firmware) and Laurence Reeves simply coded it properly! If only he had worked for Sinclair at the time we would have had a *much* better QL from the start. I believe that upgrading to a Hermes circuit improved this to 19200 baud, and then SuperHermes to even higher rates. Although Tony will have the exact details on these products ... :-) Hermes does 19200 input in theory, but the chip can only manage a bit under 14440 in. Output (8302 chip) has always been a working 19200. Hermes gives full 19200 each way and superHermes has a 'standard' serial port giving up to 230kbps each way. Whoops - Hermes is only a theoretical 19200 (as I said in the previous sentence!!!). superHermes gives full 19200 each way from the QL serial ports. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:54:03 +0100 Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Derek Stewart wrote: Tony, The BBS closed down 5 years, I think, no one was using it. I still have 2 V90 USR modems, which I guess are surplus to requirements these days as everyone is using PC hardware and internal PC V90 modem are less then £5 The best option was to have SuperHermes to give the fastest serial port to modem speed, which allowed the modem to connect at 33600 Baud through the BT network. It is a pity that no one wants to use the system, as I got Phil Borman to make many chnages to Pbox, to make it have the functionality of the Remote Access BBS software. I still have the software setup on disk, maybe I could convert it to a Internet node on a SMSQ/E system. But it is temping to use Linux or even Windows since it works. But I fancy a QL Internet node. ... now that *would* be interesting, especially if it could link to QBBS Fido (8-)# Tony, I used to have email and newsgroup access from Pbox, a friend had some software called Fidogate which converted the Internet mail to Fidonet. So it not impossible. Derek ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod
Tony Firshman wrote: I reckon if you run SMSQ on a machine with Godl Card or Super Gold Card then it would all work OK. It seems SMSQ has easy http support. Only the QPC variant, unfortunately, as soQL seems to be fairly dead. There are some open source light-weight TCP/IP stacks available which could potentially be ported to SMSQ/E, lwIP for example, but I currently have neither the time nor much inclination to do so. Would have been an excellent job for Jonathan Hudson, the master of all C ports. A gcc cross compiler could be helpful there, too, but I never got it to work for me. So all in all, currently a modem on a QL is not really very useful I think. Other than receiving/sending faxes and accessing some mailbox. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
