[ql-users] GCC on QDOS
I'm not 100% certain, but I have a vague recollection (it's that memory problem again) that someone on this list, some time ago, mentioned that he/she/it had managed to port GCC to QDOS. Am I wrong ? If not, where is it and can I get hold of it. I'm thinking of a conversion from a Unix application to QDOSMSQ (in C not assembler so it won't feature in QL Today - unless reading about porting a C app to QDOS is entertaining) and I'm sure it would be easier to use GCC rather than C68. If not, then C68 it is/will be. The app is written in C rather than C++ so I don't really need GCC but what the hell. This project will take me some time and may not even appear (like many in the past) but it could prove to be very useful if it does. Anyone fancy a copy of Oracle running on their QL ? Cheers, Norman. PS. Only joking about Oracle !!! ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Suggestions on a postcard ....
On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 at 21:04:32, Wolfgang Uhlig wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) I do thinging too. The last was Brahms German Requiem concert in Cambridge (8-)# Oh yeah, denn es wird die Posaune schallen und die Toten werden auferstehen! I hope they don't because of hearing you sing ;)) Brahm's might (8-)# The dead will rise up at the sound of the 'trombone' (Posaune) That is a quote from the Requiem, but we have it as the 'last trumpet' in the English translation. That is probably correct as the trombone was only invented in the 17th century I think. It is all from the bible of course. We sung it in German (of course) but I only have a sketchy knowledge of the meaning. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] uQLx package?
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 at 17:43:08, Michael Grunditz wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) It is a shame that one can not do apt get install uqlx in debian. Well apt-get, but I know what you mean. That is a superb utility isn't it. How can one apt-cache search for 'ql'? Is there a 'whole word' option? ... not that it will find anything of course (8-)# Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:30:02 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not 100% certain, but I have a vague recollection (it's that memory problem again) that someone on this list, some time ago, mentioned that he/she/it had managed to port GCC to QDOS. Am I wrong ? Not entirely :-) However your recollection is correct. Thierry, converted gcc with assistance from Dave Walker, Richard Zidlicky and (then) Jonathan Hudson to compile QL programs under Linux/Unix. So it is a cross compiler. It usually achieves a speed up of 20%+ over regular C68 programs due to the better math library. If not, where is it and can I get hold of it. I'm thinking of a conversion from a Unix application to QDOSMSQ (in C not assembler so it won't feature in QL Today - unless reading about porting a C app to QDOS is entertaining) and I'm sure it would be easier to use GCC rather than C68. If not, then C68 it is/will be. The app is written in C rather than C++ so I don't really need GCC but what the hell. qdos-gcc CANNOT use C++ but only C. Reason being that only libc was ported and not anything else... Thierry said that he was going to work on it but I guess it went the way things usually go in the ql world :-) You can find qdos-gcc at: URL:http://thgodef.nerim.net/qdos/english/frames.html This project will take me some time and may not even appear (like many in the past) but it could prove to be very useful if it does. Anyone fancy a copy of Oracle running on their QL ? How about mysql ;-) Ffibys ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Suggestions on a postcard ....
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 at 11:29:06, Wolfgang Uhlig wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Am Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:22:10 + hat Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] geschrieben: I hope they don't because of hearing you sing ;)) Brahm's might (8-)# May be, but perhaps he would do what we call turn over in his grave in German ;) Yep - we have turn in his grave too. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can find qdos-gcc at: URL:http://thgodef.nerim.net/qdos/english/frames.html Thanks. How about mysql ;-) Close, SQLLite. Cheers, Norman. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:12:22 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can find qdos-gcc at: URL:http://thgodef.nerim.net/qdos/english/frames.html Thanks. How about mysql ;-) Close, SQLLite. A :-)... Ohh :-) Yeahyeahyeahyeahyea! Arf! Ffibys ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: Re: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS
You can find qdos-gcc at: URL:http://thgodef.nerim.net/qdos/english/frames.html This project will take me some time and may not even appear (like many in the past) but it could prove to be very useful if it does. Anyone fancy a copy of Oracle running on their QL ? How about mysql ;-) Ffibys How about gcc itself on QDOSMSQ systems instead of having to be able to run Q60 Linux or whatever to run it? Thierry's site implies this work was done by Richard Zidlicky, Jonathan Hudson, Thierry himself and Dave Walker as consultant. Isn't there a cross compiler version of C68 running on DOS(?) or Unix too (the name XTC68 seems to spring to mind)? Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[ql-users] Easyptr Move
I tried sending this once, I think it never got past our server for some reason. I got an email from someone who pointed out that some of the Launchpad programs can use the window outline and window content move facility of the new window manager and some can't (those just always use the standard window move icon method) This rather puzzled me because the programs were all compiled with the same Easyptr and QLiberator versions. I've since noticed that it's down to a difference in how the WMOV extension in Easyptr's toolkit works. (v3.50) If you set a loose item object to have the code '5' so that it uses system move, you can use any of the window manager methods. If you use WMOV there is only the old method available. You can't use any of the new methods. Sometimes you have to use WMOV. For example, the Launchpad clock runs in a MW_LINKed window so it has to be stopped before a move routine is called to move the main display. Something to consider adding to the wish list for any new Easyptr updates I suppose, especially if a trivial change, although hardly a high priority. Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: Re: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:44:33 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can find qdos-gcc at: URL:http://thgodef.nerim.net/qdos/english/frames.html This project will take me some time and may not even appear (like many in the past) but it could prove to be very useful if it does. Anyone fancy a copy of Oracle running on their QL ? How about mysql ;-) Ffibys How about gcc itself on QDOSMSQ systems instead of having to be able to run Q60 Linux or whatever to run it? The only systems that would be able to run such a port would be high-end QL systems (ie 040+060) according at least to Thierry's account. That would immediately leave out emulators users except for users of UAE+QDOS Classic unless Daniele and Marcel do some fiddling with their emulation cores :-) Thierry's site implies this work was done by Richard Zidlicky, Jonathan Hudson, Thierry himself and Dave Walker as consultant. Isn't there a cross compiler version of C68 running on DOS(?) or Unix too (the name XTC68 seems to spring to mind)? Correct. Three editions exist (although I haven't been able to find the most recent versions (C68 v. 4.24f): XTC68NT (For Windows NT/2000/XP/.NET) XTC68DOS (For MS/Free/DR/PC/DOS) XTC68LINUX (For Linux) (Also runs on Free/NET/OpenBSD/Solaris and other BSD OSes if recompiled -or on x86 based architecture BSD OSes if Linux Binary Compatibility is enabled). I had recompiled a significant portion of C68 to run under Windows in combination with the Bloodshed IDE and SourceEDIT (See articles on QLT) but sadly I lost the sources (still got the binaries though). Dave had promised me to send me the most recent VC 6.0 compliant sources however he's obviously very busy. It is a shame though because compiled with .NET it would work really fast in a variety of architectures including MONO (A .NET compatible framework) - which also means that it would be able to run on a PocketPC! Mind you however, with very little fiddling, XTC68NT will work great with Bloodshed's IDE and if you upgrade the libraries you can immediately produce binaries even NOW using a great IDE, DEBUGGER etc... Ffibys ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS
Phoebus R. Dokos wrote: Not entirely :-) However your recollection is correct. Thierry, converted gcc with assistance from Dave Walker, Richard Zidlicky and (then) Jonathan Hudson to compile QL programs under Linux/Unix. So it is a cross compiler. It usually achieves a speed up of 20%+ over regular C68 programs due to the better math library. But it doesn't seem to be particularly stable, I've never got it to produce working code on my (back then) Linux 2.6.9/gcc 3.3.4 system. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:33:03 +0100, Marcel Kilgus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phoebus R. Dokos wrote: Not entirely :-) However your recollection is correct. Thierry, converted gcc with assistance from Dave Walker, Richard Zidlicky and (then) Jonathan Hudson to compile QL programs under Linux/Unix. So it is a cross compiler. It usually achieves a speed up of 20%+ over regular C68 programs due to the better math library. But it doesn't seem to be particularly stable, I've never got it to produce working code on my (back then) Linux 2.6.9/gcc 3.3.4 system. That is correct. Unfortunately for cross compiling to work it needs gcc 2.95.2. Theoretically it shouldn't but the changes between 2.9x releases and 3.x are so numerous that it doesn't work period (at least I haven't been able to do it ;-). The only way I found to do it is to do a separate install of gcc 2.95.2 somewhere and write scripts that take that into account. It is a major pain in the butt now... but didn't use to be when 2.95.2 was current :-) It is however part of the regular Q40-Linux distro and thus extremely easy to use it there (although the code produced has some hickups) Ffibys ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Easyptr Move
Dilwyn Jones writes: If you use WMOV there is only the old method available. You can't use any of the new methods. Sometimes you have to use WMOV. For example, the Launchpad clock runs in a MW_LINKed window so it has to be stopped before a move routine is called to move the main display. Something to consider adding to the wish list for any new Easyptr updates I suppose, especially if a trivial change, although hardly a high priority. In the mean time you can use my Wrezmov toolkit which was designed as a stopgap for exactly that problem.Available where? Knoware! Per ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: Re: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS
Albin was toying with the idea of producing a version of SQL to run with archive. Would that be of interest? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 4:12 PM Subject: Re: Re: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. How about mysql ;-) Close, SQLLite. Cheers, Norman. Why do you intend to try to port this - just an exercise or do you want to be able to do SQL-like work at home on a QL? For 'fun', plus I always wanted a 'proper' SQL database on my QL. daresay it would be an interesting addition to the QL software armoury, although it seems a bit perverse to port it to a QL, at least at first sight. Mind you, I originally thought that about some of the things people like Jonathan Hudson used to port to QDOS, although some of his projects did get a fair bit of use over time. Well, watch this space - it might happen, but then again, it might be beyond me. Cheers, Norman. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] uQLx package?
- Original Message - From: Phoebus R. Dokos ( . ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] uQLx package? On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:23:20 +0100, wolfgang mhlegger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sinclairql schrieb: There is any .DEB or .RPM package of the uQLx emmulator? regards Javier Guerra ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm here: http://phpr.tripod.com/index-ql.html#top you cand find this: http://phpr.tripod.com/uqlx.i386.rpm This is a rather deprecated version... You will need to recompile Ffibys ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm There is nothing to stop the developers creating rpm apts of the latest versions to run on various flavours ages of Linux. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
