Re: [qmailtoaster] my battle against spam
Sam Clippinger wrote: A few developments on the spamdyke front: I've added a spamdyke page to the QT wiki, though it doesn't currently have anything but a link to the spamdyke site. For now, I'd appreciate it if people would edit the page to add comments about the type of content they'd like to see there. I don't just want to republish the documentation I've already written. Great, meanwhile I will read the faq, manual, install again. I will ask again. spamdyke has a shiny new website at www.spamdyke.org. can I know what cms/blog software you use? :) I just released version 2.6.3, which fixed a couple of serious bugs that can prevent mail delivery. If you're using spamdyke, please upgrade. no currently I am using qmail-greyd found on EE's blog http://www.kabewm.com/?p=19 so simple for just greylisting. but I would to use spamdyke. some said C++ compiled program is faster than python/perl script can you give a simple how to using spamdyke for greylisting.. Lastly, spamdyke now has its own mailing list so we don't have to drag this one off topic any more. You can sign up at www.spamdyke.org. already subscribe, but if I have questions regarding spamdyke and qmailtoaster, can I ask them on this milis? Thanks to everyone for the support and encouragement! -- Sam Clippinger I hv suggestion, how about spamdyke has a feature auto-delete/auto-expire the host like qmail-gred has MY GRAYLIST FOLDERS ARE GETTING HUGE -- MANY, MANY ENTRIES. IS THIS A PROBLEM? CAN SPAMDYKE AUTOMATICALLY DELETE THE OLD ONES? thx before... this software is a must complement for qmailtoaster, can't wait spamdyke integration on the next qmailtoaster release - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] my battle against spam
Alexandre Shima ha scritto: Hello, I'm having problems with the black list file size. My file is really big, 240k+ IP entries, and SpamDyke 2.3.1 cannot handle it. I'll upgrade to the new version and check if there is a difference. Thank you. Alexandre - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I suggest you to construct your blacklist with the classic tcp.smtp list , cause it is a cdb file and so it much faster to parse than looking up ip address on a ascii file . Have fun, Davide - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] my battle against spam
Wow -- that's amazing. Is it possible to reduce the size by specifying IP ranges instead of individual IPs? It might also be more efficient to run a (private) DNS RBL server instead of using a file-based solution. -- Sam Clippinger Alexandre Shima wrote: Hello, I'm having problems with the black list file size. My file is really big, 240k+ IP entries, and SpamDyke 2.3.1 cannot handle it. I'll upgrade to the new version and check if there is a difference. Thank you. Alexandre - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] my battle against spam
Hello, I'm having problems with the black list file size. My file is really big, 240k+ IP entries, and SpamDyke 2.3.1 cannot handle it. I'll upgrade to the new version and check if there is a difference. Thank you. Alexandre - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] my battle against spam
I don't use any blog/CMS software -- just vi. It's enough for now. Apples to apples, for general purposes, compiled languages (C/C++) are faster than scripted languages (perl/python). However, apples to apples comparisons are almost nearly impossible. For example, perl has many optimized built-in string manipulation operators that C doesn't provide. If I try to duplicate that functionality in C, I'll have to write it from scratch and my implementation probably won't be as fast. And of course it's possible to write bad code in any language. Automatically expiring graylist entries is covered the FAQ. My recommendation is to do that work from a nightly cron job, not from spamdyke itself. spamdyke's job should be as simple and fast as possible -- do you really want it scanning your entire graylist folder and expiring entries every time it runs? -- Sam Clippinger PakOgah wrote: Sam Clippinger wrote: A few developments on the spamdyke front: I've added a spamdyke page to the QT wiki, though it doesn't currently have anything but a link to the spamdyke site. For now, I'd appreciate it if people would edit the page to add comments about the type of content they'd like to see there. I don't just want to republish the documentation I've already written. Great, meanwhile I will read the faq, manual, install again. I will ask again. spamdyke has a shiny new website at www.spamdyke.org. can I know what cms/blog software you use? :) I just released version 2.6.3, which fixed a couple of serious bugs that can prevent mail delivery. If you're using spamdyke, please upgrade. no currently I am using qmail-greyd found on EE's blog http://www.kabewm.com/?p=19 so simple for just greylisting. but I would to use spamdyke. some said C++ compiled program is faster than python/perl script can you give a simple how to using spamdyke for greylisting.. Lastly, spamdyke now has its own mailing list so we don't have to drag this one off topic any more. You can sign up at www.spamdyke.org. already subscribe, but if I have questions regarding spamdyke and qmailtoaster, can I ask them on this milis? Thanks to everyone for the support and encouragement! -- Sam Clippinger I hv suggestion, how about spamdyke has a feature auto-delete/auto-expire the host like qmail-gred has MY GRAYLIST FOLDERS ARE GETTING HUGE -- MANY, MANY ENTRIES. IS THIS A PROBLEM? CAN SPAMDYKE AUTOMATICALLY DELETE THE OLD ONES? thx before... this software is a must complement for qmailtoaster, can't wait spamdyke integration on the next qmailtoaster release - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] my battle against spam
A few developments on the spamdyke front: I've added a spamdyke page to the QT wiki, though it doesn't currently have anything but a link to the spamdyke site. For now, I'd appreciate it if people would edit the page to add comments about the type of content they'd like to see there. I don't just want to republish the documentation I've already written. spamdyke has a shiny new website at www.spamdyke.org. I just released version 2.6.3, which fixed a couple of serious bugs that can prevent mail delivery. If you're using spamdyke, please upgrade. Lastly, spamdyke now has its own mailing list so we don't have to drag this one off topic any more. You can sign up at www.spamdyke.org. Thanks to everyone for the support and encouragement! -- Sam Clippinger Erik A. Espinoza wrote: Hey Sam, We can use the QmailToaster wiki for this. All you'd need then is a mailing list. Or you can write into the qmailwiki project. No need to setup a full wiki for a small package. Erik On 6/18/07, Helmut Fritz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sam, I am guessing you are the dev for spamdyke? I would be glad to start a mail list for the community. I could throw up a wiki as well. I have the servers and the disk space and the bandwidth. Feel free to e-mail me off list if you want to discuss. -Original Message- From: Sam Clippinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 8:49 AM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] my battle against spam That is a valid concern, though I try to respond to every spamdyke email I get. There's no wiki, mailing list, forum, blog at this point only because no one has set one up -- spamdyke is just too new. I'd be happy to participate in any of those things but I just don't have the time to administer them. If anyone feels like starting one, let me know. :) -- Sam Clippinger PakOgah wrote: If spamdyke fixes qmail's dubious logging, I think it's worth rolling into the toaster immediately! :) Yup it sure look good and have a lot of nice features but when I check the website there aren't any type of support like forum, milist or wiki? only the coder email address, I am not sure if I have a problem will get quick answer from him. Yes, I hv read those long manual, but then I am still need a personal guide. like this milist or openspf's milis... - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/853 - Release Date: 6/18/2007 3:02 PM - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] my battle against spam
Oh GREAT we have spamdyke developer in our list... Just like Erik said you can create wiki on qmailtoaster wiki and for milist if the fastest way create [EMAIL PROTECTED] so beat it... oh dont forget to archive it on mail-archive.com thx Sam Clippinger wrote: Great! Thanks for the offers -- I'll email you guys off list to coordinate details. -- Sam Clippinger Erik A. Espinoza wrote: Hey Sam, We can use the QmailToaster wiki for this. All you'd need then is a mailing list. Or you can write into the qmailwiki project. No need to setup a full wiki for a small package. Erik On 6/18/07, Helmut Fritz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sam, I am guessing you are the dev for spamdyke? I would be glad to start a mail list for the community. I could throw up a wiki as well. I have the servers and the disk space and the bandwidth. Feel free to e-mail me off list if you want to discuss. - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] my battle against spam
That is a valid concern, though I try to respond to every spamdyke email I get. There's no wiki, mailing list, forum, blog at this point only because no one has set one up -- spamdyke is just too new. I'd be happy to participate in any of those things but I just don't have the time to administer them. If anyone feels like starting one, let me know. :) -- Sam Clippinger PakOgah wrote: If spamdyke fixes qmail's dubious logging, I think it's worth rolling into the toaster immediately! :) Yup it sure look good and have a lot of nice features but when I check the website there aren't any type of support like forum, milist or wiki? only the coder email address, I am not sure if I have a problem will get quick answer from him. Yes, I hv read those long manual, but then I am still need a personal guide. like this milist or openspf's milis... - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] my battle against spam
Sam Clippinger wrotes to every spamdyke email I get. There's no wiki, mailing list, forum, blog at this point only because no one has set one up -- spamdyke is just too new. I'd be happy to participate in any of those things but I just don't have the time to administer them. If anyone feels like starting one, let me know. :) I know this is not the right place to ask but... what about considering put all the greylist stuff in a mysql db ? in this way an array of smtp server could share the same greylist infos Have fun, Davide - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [qmailtoaster] my battle against spam
Sam, I am guessing you are the dev for spamdyke? I would be glad to start a mail list for the community. I could throw up a wiki as well. I have the servers and the disk space and the bandwidth. Feel free to e-mail me off list if you want to discuss. -Original Message- From: Sam Clippinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 8:49 AM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] my battle against spam That is a valid concern, though I try to respond to every spamdyke email I get. There's no wiki, mailing list, forum, blog at this point only because no one has set one up -- spamdyke is just too new. I'd be happy to participate in any of those things but I just don't have the time to administer them. If anyone feels like starting one, let me know. :) -- Sam Clippinger PakOgah wrote: If spamdyke fixes qmail's dubious logging, I think it's worth rolling into the toaster immediately! :) Yup it sure look good and have a lot of nice features but when I check the website there aren't any type of support like forum, milist or wiki? only the coder email address, I am not sure if I have a problem will get quick answer from him. Yes, I hv read those long manual, but then I am still need a personal guide. like this milist or openspf's milis... - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/853 - Release Date: 6/18/2007 3:02 PM - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] my battle against spam
Hey Sam, We can use the QmailToaster wiki for this. All you'd need then is a mailing list. Or you can write into the qmailwiki project. No need to setup a full wiki for a small package. Erik On 6/18/07, Helmut Fritz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sam, I am guessing you are the dev for spamdyke? I would be glad to start a mail list for the community. I could throw up a wiki as well. I have the servers and the disk space and the bandwidth. Feel free to e-mail me off list if you want to discuss. -Original Message- From: Sam Clippinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 8:49 AM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] my battle against spam That is a valid concern, though I try to respond to every spamdyke email I get. There's no wiki, mailing list, forum, blog at this point only because no one has set one up -- spamdyke is just too new. I'd be happy to participate in any of those things but I just don't have the time to administer them. If anyone feels like starting one, let me know. :) -- Sam Clippinger PakOgah wrote: If spamdyke fixes qmail's dubious logging, I think it's worth rolling into the toaster immediately! :) Yup it sure look good and have a lot of nice features but when I check the website there aren't any type of support like forum, milist or wiki? only the coder email address, I am not sure if I have a problem will get quick answer from him. Yes, I hv read those long manual, but then I am still need a personal guide. like this milist or openspf's milis... - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/853 - Release Date: 6/18/2007 3:02 PM - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] my battle against spam
Great! Thanks for the offers -- I'll email you guys off list to coordinate details. -- Sam Clippinger Erik A. Espinoza wrote: Hey Sam, We can use the QmailToaster wiki for this. All you'd need then is a mailing list. Or you can write into the qmailwiki project. No need to setup a full wiki for a small package. Erik On 6/18/07, Helmut Fritz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sam, I am guessing you are the dev for spamdyke? I would be glad to start a mail list for the community. I could throw up a wiki as well. I have the servers and the disk space and the bandwidth. Feel free to e-mail me off list if you want to discuss. -Original Message- From: Sam Clippinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 8:49 AM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] my battle against spam That is a valid concern, though I try to respond to every spamdyke email I get. There's no wiki, mailing list, forum, blog at this point only because no one has set one up -- spamdyke is just too new. I'd be happy to participate in any of those things but I just don't have the time to administer them. If anyone feels like starting one, let me know. :) -- Sam Clippinger PakOgah wrote: If spamdyke fixes qmail's dubious logging, I think it's worth rolling into the toaster immediately! :) Yup it sure look good and have a lot of nice features but when I check the website there aren't any type of support like forum, milist or wiki? only the coder email address, I am not sure if I have a problem will get quick answer from him. Yes, I hv read those long manual, but then I am still need a personal guide. like this milist or openspf's milis... - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/853 - Release Date: 6/18/2007 3:02 PM - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [qmailtoaster] my battle against spam
If spamdyke fixes qmail's dubious logging, I think it's worth rolling into the toaster immediately! :) Yup it sure look good and have a lot of nice features but when I check the website there aren't any type of support like forum, milist or wiki? only the coder email address, I am not sure if I have a problem will get quick answer from him. Yes, I hv read those long manual, but then I am still need a personal guide. like this milist or openspf's milis... - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] my battle against spam
There is a high probability that spamdyke will be in the 1.4 branch of the QmailToaster. Erik On 6/17/07, PakOgah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If spamdyke fixes qmail's dubious logging, I think it's worth rolling into the toaster immediately! :) Yup it sure look good and have a lot of nice features but when I check the website there aren't any type of support like forum, milist or wiki? only the coder email address, I am not sure if I have a problem will get quick answer from him. Yes, I hv read those long manual, but then I am still need a personal guide. like this milist or openspf's milis... - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [qmailtoaster] my battle against spam
If spamdyke fixes qmail's dubious logging, I think it's worth rolling into the toaster immediately! :) Sincerely, -- Joseph Lundgren Systems Engineer Peak Internet, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Sam Clippinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 4:09 PM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] my battle against spam Regarding question 2, blacklisting a specific From address is usually a waste of time because most spammers use a different fake From address for each spam message. However, if they're not doing that to you, great! Block it! May I humbly recommend spamdyke? http://freesoftware.silence.org/spamdyke/ -- Sam Clippinger Jim Shupert, Jr. wrote: Friends, In my ongoing battle againt spam - I have a few questions. I already do some Bayesian Statistical Scoring with a spam notspam accounts As described in http://wiki.qmailtoaster.com/index.php/SpamAssassin and I am rather certain this is working - based on the repeat offenders that seem to now be tagged ***SPAM*** 2 Qs ((( 1 I find on the wiki this rules_du_jour . This is a script and configuration for adding/updating additional SpamAssassin rule sets from various web sites, primarily http://www.rulesemporium.com http://www.rulesemporium.com/. It has been preconfigured for QmailToaster by Jake. It can be run from qtp-menu or the CLI. In order to run it as a daily cron job, you can do the following: # cp -p /opt/qmailtoaster-plus/etc/cron.daily/rules_du_jour /etc/cron.daily/. *am I to understand that i could cron the above and that will give my antiSpam more smarts?* (((2 I was wondering if there was a local blacklist file... local to my server ( back when I was doing postfix I had a reject.domain hash that i employed ) basically a list of spammers - or does that sort of solution slow every mail transaction down and waste bandwidth? Is any value to Blacklisting this horrible source of spam [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] in some conf on my machine so that noone in my domain would get 2000dealpeaks.com mail and if so is it a good solution? thanks jim - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] my battle against spam
Regarding question 2, blacklisting a specific From address is usually a waste of time because most spammers use a different fake From address for each spam message. However, if they're not doing that to you, great! Block it! May I humbly recommend spamdyke? http://freesoftware.silence.org/spamdyke/ -- Sam Clippinger Jim Shupert, Jr. wrote: Friends, In my ongoing battle againt spam - I have a few questions. I already do some Bayesian Statistical Scoring with a spam notspam accounts As described in http://wiki.qmailtoaster.com/index.php/SpamAssassin and I am rather certain this is working - based on the repeat offenders that seem to now be tagged ***SPAM*** 2 Qs ((( 1 I find on the wiki this rules_du_jour . This is a script and configuration for adding/updating additional SpamAssassin rule sets from various web sites, primarily http://www.rulesemporium.com http://www.rulesemporium.com/. It has been preconfigured for QmailToaster by Jake. It can be run from qtp-menu or the CLI. In order to run it as a daily cron job, you can do the following: # cp -p /opt/qmailtoaster-plus/etc/cron.daily/rules_du_jour /etc/cron.daily/. *am I to understand that i could cron the above and that will give my antiSpam more smarts?* (((2 I was wondering if there was a local blacklist file... local to my server ( back when I was doing postfix I had a reject.domain hash that i employed ) basically a list of spammers - or does that sort of solution slow every mail transaction down and waste bandwidth? Is any value to Blacklisting this horrible source of spam [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] in some conf on my machine so that noone in my domain would get 2000dealpeaks.com mail and if so is it a good solution? thanks jim - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
