[R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic

2008-10-07 Thread Rodrigo Aluizio
He everybody,
Well I have a biplot CCA-like origined from plot.cca (vegan package). I need to 
rotate on y axis the lines and symbols of constrained and sites representation. 
If I do that on an image editor, I rotate everything, including titles, axes 
labels and positions. I just need to rotate the inner par and keep the 
variables names (constrained) and symbols in the new positions but with the 
right direction.
So, is there on R a way to do that while creating the image?
Here is the code that generate the graphic.

plot.cca(CAPpotiFT,type='none',display=c('bp','sites'),main='Total Fauna
Sites x Environment')
text.cca(CAPpotiFT,dis='cn',col='black',cex=0.6,lwd=0.5,lty='dotted')
points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='1',],pch=21)
points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='2',],pch=20)
points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='3',],pch=22,bg='gray')
points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='4',],pch=24)
points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='5',],pch=24,bg='black')
points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='6',],pch=25,bg='gray')

Thanks in advice.
___
MSc. Rodrigo Aluizio
Centro de Estudos do Mar/UFPR
Laboratório de Micropaleontologia

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Re: [R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic

2008-10-07 Thread Mark Difford

Hi Rodrigo,

 I need to rotate on y axis the lines and symbols of constrained and sites
 representation.

Easiest is to multiply the axis you want to invert by -1. Something like the
following, where my.cca is the orginal object and yax = obj[, 2] (xax being
obj[, 1]). Obviously, copying isn't necessary.

mynew.cca - my.cca
mynew.cca$scores$species[, 2] - my.cca$scores$species[, 2] * -1
mynew.cca$scores$sites[, 2] - my.cca$scores$sites[, 2] * -1
mynew.cca$scores$centroids[, 2] - my.cca$scores$centroids[, 2] * -1

Regards, Mark.


Rodrigo Aluizio wrote:
 
 He everybody,
 Well I have a biplot CCA-like origined from plot.cca (vegan package). I
 need to rotate on y axis the lines and symbols of constrained and sites
 representation. If I do that on an image editor, I rotate everything,
 including titles, axes labels and positions. I just need to rotate the
 inner par and keep the variables names (constrained) and symbols in the
 new positions but with the right direction.
 So, is there on R a way to do that while creating the image?
 Here is the code that generate the graphic.
 
 plot.cca(CAPpotiFT,type='none',display=c('bp','sites'),main='Total Fauna
 Sites x Environment')
 text.cca(CAPpotiFT,dis='cn',col='black',cex=0.6,lwd=0.5,lty='dotted')
 points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='1',],pch=21)
 points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='2',],pch=20)
 points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='3',],pch=22,bg='gray')
 points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='4',],pch=24)
 points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='5',],pch=24,bg='black')
 points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='6',],pch=25,bg='gray')
 
 Thanks in advice.
 ___
 MSc. Rodrigo Aluizio
 Centro de Estudos do Mar/UFPR
 Laboratório de Micropaleontologia
 
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Re: [R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic

2008-10-07 Thread Mark Difford

Hi Rodrigo,

Sorry, that will not return a result (I use several different ordination
packages, in most of which this is possible). What you need to do with vegan
is the following:

scores(mynew.cca)$species[, 2] - scores(mynew.cca)$species[, 2] * -1

You will be able to do the rest.

Regards, Mark.


Mark Difford wrote:
 
 Hi Rodrigo,
 
 I need to rotate on y axis the lines and symbols of constrained and
 sites representation.
 
 Easiest is to multiply the axis you want to invert by -1. Something like
 the following, where my.cca is the orginal object and yax = obj[, 2] (xax
 being obj[, 1]). Obviously, copying isn't necessary.
 
 mynew.cca - my.cca
 mynew.cca$scores$species[, 2] - my.cca$scores$species[, 2] * -1
 mynew.cca$scores$sites[, 2] - my.cca$scores$sites[, 2] * -1
 mynew.cca$scores$centroids[, 2] - my.cca$scores$centroids[, 2] * -1
 
 Regards, Mark.
 
 
 Rodrigo Aluizio wrote:
 
 He everybody,
 Well I have a biplot CCA-like origined from plot.cca (vegan package). I
 need to rotate on y axis the lines and symbols of constrained and sites
 representation. If I do that on an image editor, I rotate everything,
 including titles, axes labels and positions. I just need to rotate the
 inner par and keep the variables names (constrained) and symbols in the
 new positions but with the right direction.
 So, is there on R a way to do that while creating the image?
 Here is the code that generate the graphic.
 
 plot.cca(CAPpotiFT,type='none',display=c('bp','sites'),main='Total Fauna
 Sites x Environment')
 text.cca(CAPpotiFT,dis='cn',col='black',cex=0.6,lwd=0.5,lty='dotted')
 points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='1',],pch=21)
 points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='2',],pch=20)
 points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='3',],pch=22,bg='gray')
 points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='4',],pch=24)
 points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='5',],pch=24,bg='black')
 points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='6',],pch=25,bg='gray')
 
 Thanks in advice.
 ___
 MSc. Rodrigo Aluizio
 Centro de Estudos do Mar/UFPR
 Laboratório de Micropaleontologia
 
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Re: [R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic

2008-10-07 Thread Rodrigo Aluizio

Thanks a lot for your help (again) Mark.
I adapted your suggestion to my analysis.
But I'm getting and error when trying to apply the new values.
The error is:

Erro em scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[, 2] - scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[,  :
 não foi posssível encontrar a função scores-

Translating:
Error at scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[, 2] - scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[, 
:

 it's not possible to find the function scores-

Bellow how I applied the suggestion:
CAPpotiFTI-CAPpotiFT
scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[,2]-scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[,2]*-1
scores(CAPpotiFTI)$sites[,2]-scores(CAPpotiFTI)$sites[,2]*-1

Any ideas? I'm trying similar things but without success.

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From: Mark Difford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:34 AM
To: r-help@r-project.org
Subject: Re: [R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic



Hi Rodrigo,

Sorry, that will not return a result (I use several different ordination
packages, in most of which this is possible). What you need to do with 
vegan

is the following:

scores(mynew.cca)$species[, 2] - scores(mynew.cca)$species[, 2] * -1

You will be able to do the rest.

Regards, Mark.


Mark Difford wrote:


Hi Rodrigo,


I need to rotate on y axis the lines and symbols of constrained and
sites representation.


Easiest is to multiply the axis you want to invert by -1. Something like
the following, where my.cca is the orginal object and yax = obj[, 2] 
(xax

being obj[, 1]). Obviously, copying isn't necessary.

mynew.cca - my.cca
mynew.cca$scores$species[, 2] - my.cca$scores$species[, 2] * -1
mynew.cca$scores$sites[, 2] - my.cca$scores$sites[, 2] * -1
mynew.cca$scores$centroids[, 2] - my.cca$scores$centroids[, 2] * -1

Regards, Mark.


Rodrigo Aluizio wrote:


He everybody,
Well I have a biplot CCA-like origined from plot.cca (vegan package). I
need to rotate on y axis the lines and symbols of constrained and sites
representation. If I do that on an image editor, I rotate everything,
including titles, axes labels and positions. I just need to rotate the
inner par and keep the variables names (constrained) and symbols in the
new positions but with the right direction.
So, is there on R a way to do that while creating the image?
Here is the code that generate the graphic.

plot.cca(CAPpotiFT,type='none',display=c('bp','sites'),main='Total 
Fauna

Sites x Environment')
text.cca(CAPpotiFT,dis='cn',col='black',cex=0.6,lwd=0.5,lty='dotted')
points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='1',],pch=21)
points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='2',],pch=20)
points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='3',],pch=22,bg='gray')
points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='4',],pch=24)
points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='5',],pch=24,bg='black')
points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='6',],pch=25,bg='gray')

Thanks in advice.
___
MSc. Rodrigo Aluizio
Centro de Estudos do Mar/UFPR
Laboratório de Micropaleontologia

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Re: [R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic

2008-10-07 Thread Mark Difford

Hi Rodrigo,

Sorry again: the structure vegan uses is quite complex. Technically you
should use the extractor function scores() to extract what you want from the
object, e.g. scores(my.cca, display=species) or scores(my.cca,
display=cn) [centroids]. I did work out a quicker way of reversing axes,
but that seems to have gone walking...and I am not using vegan at the
moment.

Quickest hack is to make a copy of the objects you want to plot, reversing
orientations along the way. So do (my.cca is your original object):

Temp.data - scores(my.cca, display=c(sites, species, cn))

## Reverse yaxes
Temp.data$sites[, 2] - Temp.data$sites[, 2] * -1
Temp.data$species[, 2] - Temp.data$species[, 2] * -1
Temp.data$centroid[, 2] - Temp.data$centroid[, 2] * -1

Do this for all the things you are plotting whose axes you want reversed.
Check this against your original plot to ensure that the mirror isn't
broken.

You can then use the Temp.data with the scores() function to make your plot.

## Mock e.g.
points(scores(Temp.data, display=sites), pch=21)

Regards, Mark.


Rodrigo Aluizio wrote:
 
 Thanks a lot for your help (again) Mark.
 I adapted your suggestion to my analysis.
 But I'm getting and error when trying to apply the new values.
 The error is:

 Erro em scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[, 2] - scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[, 
 :
  não foi posssível encontrar a função scores-

 Translating:
 Error at scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[, 2] - scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[, 
 :
  it's not possible to find the function scores-

 Bellow how I applied the suggestion:
 CAPpotiFTI-CAPpotiFT
 scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[,2]-scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[,2]*-1
 scores(CAPpotiFTI)$sites[,2]-scores(CAPpotiFTI)$sites[,2]*-1

 Any ideas? I'm trying similar things but without success.

 --
 From: Mark Difford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:34 AM
 To: r-help@r-project.org
 Subject: Re: [R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic


 Hi Rodrigo,

 Sorry, that will not return a result (I use several different ordination
 packages, in most of which this is possible). What you need to do with 
 vegan
 is the following:

 scores(mynew.cca)$species[, 2] - scores(mynew.cca)$species[, 2] * -1

 You will be able to do the rest.

 Regards, Mark.


 Mark Difford wrote:

 Hi Rodrigo,

 I need to rotate on y axis the lines and symbols of constrained and
 sites representation.

 Easiest is to multiply the axis you want to invert by -1. Something
 like
 the following, where my.cca is the orginal object and yax = obj[, 2] 
 (xax
 being obj[, 1]). Obviously, copying isn't necessary.

 mynew.cca - my.cca
 mynew.cca$scores$species[, 2] - my.cca$scores$species[, 2] * -1
 mynew.cca$scores$sites[, 2] - my.cca$scores$sites[, 2] * -1
 mynew.cca$scores$centroids[, 2] - my.cca$scores$centroids[, 2] * -1

 Regards, Mark.


 Rodrigo Aluizio wrote:

 He everybody,
 Well I have a biplot CCA-like origined from plot.cca (vegan package).
 I
 need to rotate on y axis the lines and symbols of constrained and
 sites
 representation. If I do that on an image editor, I rotate everything,
 including titles, axes labels and positions. I just need to rotate the
 inner par and keep the variables names (constrained) and symbols in
 the
 new positions but with the right direction.
 So, is there on R a way to do that while creating the image?
 Here is the code that generate the graphic.

 plot.cca(CAPpotiFT,type='none',display=c('bp','sites'),main='Total 
 Fauna
 Sites x Environment')
 text.cca(CAPpotiFT,dis='cn',col='black',cex=0.6,lwd=0.5,lty='dotted')
 points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='1',],pch=21)
 points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='2',],pch=20)
 points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='3',],pch=22,bg='gray')
 points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='4',],pch=24)
 points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='5',],pch=24,bg='black')
 points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='6',],pch=25,bg='gray')

 Thanks in advice.
 ___
 MSc. Rodrigo Aluizio
 Centro de Estudos do Mar/UFPR
 Laboratório de Micropaleontologia

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Re: [R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic

2008-10-07 Thread Rodrigo Aluizio

Ok Mark, it worked for the species.
I still get an error if I try with biplot (cn,sp), but it's not a problem, 
repositioning the species is enough.

Thanks once again.

Just for future consults the error that still remains:
CAPpotiFTI-scores(CAPpotiFT, display=c('bp','species','cn','sites')
CAPpotiFTI$species[,1]-CAPpotiFTI$species[,1]*-1
CAPpotiFTI$cn[,1]-CAPpotiFTI$cn[,1]*-1
CAPpotiFTI$sites[,1]-CAPpotiFTI$sites[,1]*-1
CAPpotiFTI$bp[,1]-CAPpotiFTI$bp[,1]*-1
plot.cca(CAPpotiFTI,type='none',display=c('bp','species'),main='Total Fauna
+ Species x Environment')
Erro em match.arg(display) : 'arg' must be of length 1

or

text.cca(scores(CAPpotiFTI$biplot),col=323232,cex=0.6,lwd=2,lty='dotted')
Doesn't return an error, but it's not a mirror image as expected, it's 
nonsense.


--
From: Mark Difford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 12:22 PM
To: r-help@r-project.org
Subject: Re: [R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic



Hi Rodrigo,

Sorry again: the structure vegan uses is quite complex. Technically you
should use the extractor function scores() to extract what you want from 
the

object, e.g. scores(my.cca, display=species) or scores(my.cca,
display=cn) [centroids]. I did work out a quicker way of reversing axes,
but that seems to have gone walking...and I am not using vegan at the
moment.

Quickest hack is to make a copy of the objects you want to plot, reversing
orientations along the way. So do (my.cca is your original object):

Temp.data - scores(my.cca, display=c(sites, species, cn))

## Reverse yaxes
Temp.data$sites[, 2] - Temp.data$sites[, 2] * -1
Temp.data$species[, 2] - Temp.data$species[, 2] * -1
Temp.data$centroid[, 2] - Temp.data$centroid[, 2] * -1

Do this for all the things you are plotting whose axes you want reversed.
Check this against your original plot to ensure that the mirror isn't
broken.

You can then use the Temp.data with the scores() function to make your 
plot.


## Mock e.g.
points(scores(Temp.data, display=sites), pch=21)

Regards, Mark.


Rodrigo Aluizio wrote:



Thanks a lot for your help (again) Mark.
I adapted your suggestion to my analysis.
But I'm getting and error when trying to apply the new values.
The error is:

Erro em scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[, 2] - scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[,
:
 não foi posssível encontrar a função scores-

Translating:
Error at scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[, 2] - scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[,
:
 it's not possible to find the function scores-

Bellow how I applied the suggestion:
CAPpotiFTI-CAPpotiFT
scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[,2]-scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[,2]*-1
scores(CAPpotiFTI)$sites[,2]-scores(CAPpotiFTI)$sites[,2]*-1

Any ideas? I'm trying similar things but without success.

--



Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:34 AM
To: r-help@r-project.org
Subject: Re: [R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic



Hi Rodrigo,

Sorry, that will not return a result (I use several different 
ordination

packages, in most of which this is possible). What you need to do with
vegan
is the following:

scores(mynew.cca)$species[, 2] - scores(mynew.cca)$species[, 2] * -1

You will be able to do the rest.

Regards, Mark.


Mark Difford wrote:


Hi Rodrigo,


I need to rotate on y axis the lines and symbols of constrained and
sites representation.


Easiest is to multiply the axis you want to invert by -1. Something
like
the following, where my.cca is the orginal object and yax = obj[, 2]
(xax
being obj[, 1]). Obviously, copying isn't necessary.

mynew.cca - my.cca
mynew.cca$scores$species[, 2] - my.cca$scores$species[, 2] * -1
mynew.cca$scores$sites[, 2] - my.cca$scores$sites[, 2] * -1
mynew.cca$scores$centroids[, 2] - my.cca$scores$centroids[, 2] * -1

Regards, Mark.


Rodrigo Aluizio wrote:


He everybody,
Well I have a biplot CCA-like origined from plot.cca (vegan package).
I
need to rotate on y axis the lines and symbols of constrained and
sites
representation. If I do that on an image editor, I rotate everything,
including titles, axes labels and positions. I just need to rotate 
the

inner par and keep the variables names (constrained) and symbols in
the
new positions but with the right direction.
So, is there on R a way to do that while creating the image?
Here is the code that generate the graphic.

plot.cca(CAPpotiFT,type='none',display=c('bp','sites'),main='Total
Fauna
Sites x Environment')
text.cca(CAPpotiFT,dis='cn',col='black',cex=0.6,lwd=0.5,lty='dotted')
points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='1',],pch=21)
points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='2',],pch=20)
points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='3',],pch=22,bg='gray')
points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='4',],pch=24)
points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='5',],pch=24,bg='black')
points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='6',],pch=25,bg='gray')

Thanks in advice.
___
MSc. Rodrigo Aluizio
Centro de Estudos

Re: [R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic

2008-10-07 Thread Mark Difford

Hi Rodrigo,

I looked through my scripts and found my old hack. __WARNING__: Be very
careful to check that
the mirror isn't broken and that all is in order! Make sure that you are
reversing the axes you want. In your original post you mention axis 2, i.e.
y-axis. Below you have used axis 1.

## This does axis 2
mynew.cca - my.cca
for (i in 2:8) mynew.cca$CCA[[i]][, 2] - mynew,cca$CCA[[i]][, 2] * -1

plot(mynew.cca)

## This does axis 1
for (i in 2:8) mynew.cca$CCA[[i]][, 1] - mynew,cca$CCA[[i]][, 1] * -1

Regards, Mark.


Rodrigo Aluizio wrote:
 
 Ok Mark, it worked for the species.
 I still get an error if I try with biplot (cn,sp), but it's not a problem, 
 repositioning the species is enough.
 Thanks once again.
 
 Just for future consults the error that still remains:
 CAPpotiFTI-scores(CAPpotiFT, display=c('bp','species','cn','sites')
 CAPpotiFTI$species[,1]-CAPpotiFTI$species[,1]*-1
 CAPpotiFTI$cn[,1]-CAPpotiFTI$cn[,1]*-1
 CAPpotiFTI$sites[,1]-CAPpotiFTI$sites[,1]*-1
 CAPpotiFTI$bp[,1]-CAPpotiFTI$bp[,1]*-1
  plot.cca(CAPpotiFTI,type='none',display=c('bp','species'),main='Total
 Fauna
 + Species x Environment')
 Erro em match.arg(display) : 'arg' must be of length 1
 
 or
 
 text.cca(scores(CAPpotiFTI$biplot),col=323232,cex=0.6,lwd=2,lty='dotted')
 Doesn't return an error, but it's not a mirror image as expected, it's 
 nonsense.
 
 --
 From: Mark Difford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 12:22 PM
 To: r-help@r-project.org
 Subject: Re: [R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic
 

 Hi Rodrigo,

 Sorry again: the structure vegan uses is quite complex. Technically you
 should use the extractor function scores() to extract what you want from 
 the
 object, e.g. scores(my.cca, display=species) or scores(my.cca,
 display=cn) [centroids]. I did work out a quicker way of reversing
 axes,
 but that seems to have gone walking...and I am not using vegan at the
 moment.

 Quickest hack is to make a copy of the objects you want to plot,
 reversing
 orientations along the way. So do (my.cca is your original object):

 Temp.data - scores(my.cca, display=c(sites, species, cn))

 ## Reverse yaxes
 Temp.data$sites[, 2] - Temp.data$sites[, 2] * -1
 Temp.data$species[, 2] - Temp.data$species[, 2] * -1
 Temp.data$centroid[, 2] - Temp.data$centroid[, 2] * -1

 Do this for all the things you are plotting whose axes you want reversed.
 Check this against your original plot to ensure that the mirror isn't
 broken.

 You can then use the Temp.data with the scores() function to make your 
 plot.

 ## Mock e.g.
 points(scores(Temp.data, display=sites), pch=21)

 Regards, Mark.


 Rodrigo Aluizio wrote:

 Thanks a lot for your help (again) Mark.
 I adapted your suggestion to my analysis.
 But I'm getting and error when trying to apply the new values.
 The error is:

 Erro em scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[, 2] - scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[,
 :
  não foi posssível encontrar a função scores-

 Translating:
 Error at scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[, 2] -
 scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[,
 :
  it's not possible to find the function scores-

 Bellow how I applied the suggestion:
 CAPpotiFTI-CAPpotiFT
 scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[,2]-scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[,2]*-1
 scores(CAPpotiFTI)$sites[,2]-scores(CAPpotiFTI)$sites[,2]*-1

 Any ideas? I'm trying similar things but without success.

 --
 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:34 AM
 To: r-help@r-project.org
 Subject: Re: [R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic


 Hi Rodrigo,

 Sorry, that will not return a result (I use several different 
 ordination
 packages, in most of which this is possible). What you need to do with
 vegan
 is the following:

 scores(mynew.cca)$species[, 2] - scores(mynew.cca)$species[, 2] * -1

 You will be able to do the rest.

 Regards, Mark.


 Mark Difford wrote:

 Hi Rodrigo,

 I need to rotate on y axis the lines and symbols of constrained and
 sites representation.

 Easiest is to multiply the axis you want to invert by -1. Something
 like
 the following, where my.cca is the orginal object and yax = obj[, 2]
 (xax
 being obj[, 1]). Obviously, copying isn't necessary.

 mynew.cca - my.cca
 mynew.cca$scores$species[, 2] - my.cca$scores$species[, 2] * -1
 mynew.cca$scores$sites[, 2] - my.cca$scores$sites[, 2] * -1
 mynew.cca$scores$centroids[, 2] - my.cca$scores$centroids[, 2] * -1

 Regards, Mark.


 Rodrigo Aluizio wrote:

 He everybody,
 Well I have a biplot CCA-like origined from plot.cca (vegan
 package).
 I
 need to rotate on y axis the lines and symbols of constrained and
 sites
 representation. If I do that on an image editor, I rotate
 everything,
 including titles, axes labels and positions. I just need to rotate 
 the
 inner par and keep the variables names (constrained) and symbols in
 the
 new positions but with the right direction.
 So, is there on R a way to do that while creating the image?
 Here is the code that generate the graphic.

 plot.cca

Re: [R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic

2008-10-07 Thread Mark Difford

Hi Rodrigo,

Again an error, as that doesn't touch one of the data structures. You need
to extend the range to include #15, as below:

## This does axis 2
mynew.cca - my.cca
for (i in c(2:8,15)) mynew.cca$CCA[[i]][, 2] - mynew,cca$CCA[[i]][, 2] * -1

Cheers, Mark.


Mark Difford wrote:
 
 Hi Rodrigo,
 
 I looked through my scripts and found my old hack. __WARNING__: Be very
 careful to check that
 the mirror isn't broken and that all is in order! Make sure that you are
 reversing the axes you want. In your original post you mention axis 2,
 i.e. y-axis. Below you have used axis 1.
 
 ## This does axis 2
 mynew.cca - my.cca
 for (i in 2:8) mynew.cca$CCA[[i]][, 2] - mynew,cca$CCA[[i]][, 2] * -1
 
 plot(mynew.cca)
 
 ## This does axis 1
 for (i in 2:8) mynew.cca$CCA[[i]][, 1] - mynew,cca$CCA[[i]][, 1] * -1
 
 Regards, Mark.
 
 
 Rodrigo Aluizio wrote:
 
 Ok Mark, it worked for the species.
 I still get an error if I try with biplot (cn,sp), but it's not a
 problem, 
 repositioning the species is enough.
 Thanks once again.
 
 Just for future consults the error that still remains:
 CAPpotiFTI-scores(CAPpotiFT, display=c('bp','species','cn','sites')
 CAPpotiFTI$species[,1]-CAPpotiFTI$species[,1]*-1
 CAPpotiFTI$cn[,1]-CAPpotiFTI$cn[,1]*-1
 CAPpotiFTI$sites[,1]-CAPpotiFTI$sites[,1]*-1
 CAPpotiFTI$bp[,1]-CAPpotiFTI$bp[,1]*-1
  plot.cca(CAPpotiFTI,type='none',display=c('bp','species'),main='Total
 Fauna
 + Species x Environment')
 Erro em match.arg(display) : 'arg' must be of length 1
 
 or
 
 text.cca(scores(CAPpotiFTI$biplot),col=323232,cex=0.6,lwd=2,lty='dotted')
 Doesn't return an error, but it's not a mirror image as expected, it's 
 nonsense.
 
 --
 From: Mark Difford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 12:22 PM
 To: r-help@r-project.org
 Subject: Re: [R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic
 

 Hi Rodrigo,

 Sorry again: the structure vegan uses is quite complex. Technically you
 should use the extractor function scores() to extract what you want from 
 the
 object, e.g. scores(my.cca, display=species) or scores(my.cca,
 display=cn) [centroids]. I did work out a quicker way of reversing
 axes,
 but that seems to have gone walking...and I am not using vegan at the
 moment.

 Quickest hack is to make a copy of the objects you want to plot,
 reversing
 orientations along the way. So do (my.cca is your original object):

 Temp.data - scores(my.cca, display=c(sites, species, cn))

 ## Reverse yaxes
 Temp.data$sites[, 2] - Temp.data$sites[, 2] * -1
 Temp.data$species[, 2] - Temp.data$species[, 2] * -1
 Temp.data$centroid[, 2] - Temp.data$centroid[, 2] * -1

 Do this for all the things you are plotting whose axes you want
 reversed.
 Check this against your original plot to ensure that the mirror isn't
 broken.

 You can then use the Temp.data with the scores() function to make your 
 plot.

 ## Mock e.g.
 points(scores(Temp.data, display=sites), pch=21)

 Regards, Mark.


 Rodrigo Aluizio wrote:

 Thanks a lot for your help (again) Mark.
 I adapted your suggestion to my analysis.
 But I'm getting and error when trying to apply the new values.
 The error is:

 Erro em scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[, 2] -
 scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[,
 :
  não foi posssível encontrar a função scores-

 Translating:
 Error at scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[, 2] -
 scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[,
 :
  it's not possible to find the function scores-

 Bellow how I applied the suggestion:
 CAPpotiFTI-CAPpotiFT
 scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[,2]-scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[,2]*-1
 scores(CAPpotiFTI)$sites[,2]-scores(CAPpotiFTI)$sites[,2]*-1

 Any ideas? I'm trying similar things but without success.

 --
 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:34 AM
 To: r-help@r-project.org
 Subject: Re: [R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic


 Hi Rodrigo,

 Sorry, that will not return a result (I use several different 
 ordination
 packages, in most of which this is possible). What you need to do
 with
 vegan
 is the following:

 scores(mynew.cca)$species[, 2] - scores(mynew.cca)$species[, 2] * -1

 You will be able to do the rest.

 Regards, Mark.


 Mark Difford wrote:

 Hi Rodrigo,

 I need to rotate on y axis the lines and symbols of constrained
 and
 sites representation.

 Easiest is to multiply the axis you want to invert by -1. Something
 like
 the following, where my.cca is the orginal object and yax = obj[, 2]
 (xax
 being obj[, 1]). Obviously, copying isn't necessary.

 mynew.cca - my.cca
 mynew.cca$scores$species[, 2] - my.cca$scores$species[, 2] * -1
 mynew.cca$scores$sites[, 2] - my.cca$scores$sites[, 2] * -1
 mynew.cca$scores$centroids[, 2] - my.cca$scores$centroids[, 2] * -1

 Regards, Mark.


 Rodrigo Aluizio wrote:

 He everybody,
 Well I have a biplot CCA-like origined from plot.cca (vegan
 package).
 I
 need to rotate on y axis the lines and symbols of constrained and
 sites
 representation. If I do that on an image editor, I rotate
 everything

Re: [R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic

2008-10-07 Thread Rodrigo Aluizio

Sorry for the mistake, I'm trying to rotate the CAP 1 axis not 2!
Ah well, I tried the this other way, but it gave me an error.
Something in the syntax, I tried to change something but didn't fix the 
error.


CAPpotiFTI-CAPpotiFT
for(i in c(2:8,15)) CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][,2]-CAPpotiFTI,cca$CCA[[i]][,1]*-1
Erro: unexpected ',' in for(i in c(2:8,15)) 
CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][,2]-CAPpotiFTI,


for(i in c(2:8,15)) CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][,1]-CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][,1]*-1
Erro em CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]] : índice fora de limites (index out of limits)

Well, it needs lots of patience...

--
From: Mark Difford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 3:50 PM
To: r-help@r-project.org
Subject: Re: [R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic



Hi Rodrigo,

Again an error, as that doesn't touch one of the data structures. You need
to extend the range to include #15, as below:

## This does axis 2
mynew.cca - my.cca
for (i in c(2:8,15)) mynew.cca$CCA[[i]][, 2] - mynew,cca$CCA[[i]][, 2] 
* -1


Cheers, Mark.


Mark Difford wrote:


Hi Rodrigo,

I looked through my scripts and found my old hack. __WARNING__: Be very
careful to check that
the mirror isn't broken and that all is in order! Make sure that you are
reversing the axes you want. In your original post you mention axis 2,
i.e. y-axis. Below you have used axis 1.

## This does axis 2
mynew.cca - my.cca
for (i in 2:8) mynew.cca$CCA[[i]][, 2] - mynew,cca$CCA[[i]][, 2] * -1

plot(mynew.cca)

## This does axis 1
for (i in 2:8) mynew.cca$CCA[[i]][, 1] - mynew,cca$CCA[[i]][, 1] * -1

Regards, Mark.


Rodrigo Aluizio wrote:


Ok Mark, it worked for the species.
I still get an error if I try with biplot (cn,sp), but it's not a
problem,
repositioning the species is enough.
Thanks once again.

Just for future consults the error that still remains:
CAPpotiFTI-scores(CAPpotiFT, display=c('bp','species','cn','sites')
CAPpotiFTI$species[,1]-CAPpotiFTI$species[,1]*-1
CAPpotiFTI$cn[,1]-CAPpotiFTI$cn[,1]*-1
CAPpotiFTI$sites[,1]-CAPpotiFTI$sites[,1]*-1
CAPpotiFTI$bp[,1]-CAPpotiFTI$bp[,1]*-1
 plot.cca(CAPpotiFTI,type='none',display=c('bp','species'),main='Total
Fauna
+ Species x Environment')
Erro em match.arg(display) : 'arg' must be of length 1

or

text.cca(scores(CAPpotiFTI$biplot),col=323232,cex=0.6,lwd=2,lty='dotted')
Doesn't return an error, but it's not a mirror image as expected, it's
nonsense.

--



Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 12:22 PM
To: r-help@r-project.org
Subject: Re: [R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic



Hi Rodrigo,

Sorry again: the structure vegan uses is quite complex. Technically you
should use the extractor function scores() to extract what you want 
from

the
object, e.g. scores(my.cca, display=species) or scores(my.cca,
display=cn) [centroids]. I did work out a quicker way of reversing
axes,
but that seems to have gone walking...and I am not using vegan at the
moment.

Quickest hack is to make a copy of the objects you want to plot,
reversing
orientations along the way. So do (my.cca is your original object):

Temp.data - scores(my.cca, display=c(sites, species, cn))

## Reverse yaxes
Temp.data$sites[, 2] - Temp.data$sites[, 2] * -1
Temp.data$species[, 2] - Temp.data$species[, 2] * -1
Temp.data$centroid[, 2] - Temp.data$centroid[, 2] * -1

Do this for all the things you are plotting whose axes you want
reversed.
Check this against your original plot to ensure that the mirror isn't
broken.

You can then use the Temp.data with the scores() function to make your
plot.

## Mock e.g.
points(scores(Temp.data, display=sites), pch=21)

Regards, Mark.


Rodrigo Aluizio wrote:



Thanks a lot for your help (again) Mark.
I adapted your suggestion to my analysis.
But I'm getting and error when trying to apply the new values.
The error is:

Erro em scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[, 2] -
scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[,
:
 não foi posssível encontrar a função scores-

Translating:
Error at scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[, 2] -
scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[,
:
 it's not possible to find the function scores-

Bellow how I applied the suggestion:
CAPpotiFTI-CAPpotiFT
scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[,2]-scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[,2]*-1
scores(CAPpotiFTI)$sites[,2]-scores(CAPpotiFTI)$sites[,2]*-1

Any ideas? I'm trying similar things but without success.

--



Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:34 AM
To: r-help@r-project.org
Subject: Re: [R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic



Hi Rodrigo,

Sorry, that will not return a result (I use several different
ordination
packages, in most of which this is possible). What you need to do
with
vegan
is the following:

scores(mynew.cca)$species[, 2] - scores(mynew.cca)$species[, 2] 
* -1


You will be able to do the rest.

Regards, Mark.


Mark Difford wrote:


Hi Rodrigo,


I need to rotate on y axis the lines and symbols of constrained
and
sites representation.


Easiest is to multiply the axis you want to invert by -1

Re: [R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic

2008-10-07 Thread Mark Difford

Hi Rodrigo,

Yes it does, but this will work. You have erroneously used a , in your
call, it should be a ., if anything. You have also inserted cca... And
the axes being switched must be conformant:

 CAPpotiFTI-CAPpotiFT
 for(i in c(2:8,15))
 CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][,2]-CAPpotiFTI,cca$CCA[[i]][,1]*-1  ## you are
 writing axis 1 over axis 2; and there is no ...,cca...
Erro: unexpected ',' in for(i in c(2:8,15))   ## unexpected
comma
 CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][,2]-CAPpotiFTI,

## Using your example to switch axis 1. Make sure that CAPpotiFT exists and
is your
## original object. Copy and paste the lines below into your R console
window and run
CAPpotiFTI - CAPpotiFT
for(i in c(2:8,15)) CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][, 1]-CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][, 1] * -1

Cheers, Mark.


Rodrigo Aluizio wrote:
 
 Sorry for the mistake, I'm trying to rotate the CAP 1 axis not 2!
 Ah well, I tried the this other way, but it gave me an error.
 Something in the syntax, I tried to change something but didn't fix the 
 error.
 
 CAPpotiFTI-CAPpotiFT
  for(i in c(2:8,15))
 CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][,2]-CAPpotiFTI,cca$CCA[[i]][,1]*-1
 Erro: unexpected ',' in for(i in c(2:8,15)) 
 CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][,2]-CAPpotiFTI,
 
  for(i in c(2:8,15)) CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][,1]-CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][,1]*-1
 Erro em CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]] : índice fora de limites (index out of limits)
 
 Well, it needs lots of patience...
 
 --
 From: Mark Difford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 3:50 PM
 To: r-help@r-project.org
 Subject: Re: [R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic
 

 Hi Rodrigo,

 Again an error, as that doesn't touch one of the data structures. You
 need
 to extend the range to include #15, as below:

 ## This does axis 2
 mynew.cca - my.cca
 for (i in c(2:8,15)) mynew.cca$CCA[[i]][, 2] - mynew,cca$CCA[[i]][, 2] 
 * -1

 Cheers, Mark.


 Mark Difford wrote:

 Hi Rodrigo,

 I looked through my scripts and found my old hack. __WARNING__: Be very
 careful to check that
 the mirror isn't broken and that all is in order! Make sure that you are
 reversing the axes you want. In your original post you mention axis 2,
 i.e. y-axis. Below you have used axis 1.

 ## This does axis 2
 mynew.cca - my.cca
 for (i in 2:8) mynew.cca$CCA[[i]][, 2] - mynew,cca$CCA[[i]][, 2] * -1

 plot(mynew.cca)

 ## This does axis 1
 for (i in 2:8) mynew.cca$CCA[[i]][, 1] - mynew,cca$CCA[[i]][, 1] * -1

 Regards, Mark.


 Rodrigo Aluizio wrote:

 Ok Mark, it worked for the species.
 I still get an error if I try with biplot (cn,sp), but it's not a
 problem,
 repositioning the species is enough.
 Thanks once again.

 Just for future consults the error that still remains:
 CAPpotiFTI-scores(CAPpotiFT, display=c('bp','species','cn','sites')
 CAPpotiFTI$species[,1]-CAPpotiFTI$species[,1]*-1
 CAPpotiFTI$cn[,1]-CAPpotiFTI$cn[,1]*-1
 CAPpotiFTI$sites[,1]-CAPpotiFTI$sites[,1]*-1
 CAPpotiFTI$bp[,1]-CAPpotiFTI$bp[,1]*-1
  plot.cca(CAPpotiFTI,type='none',display=c('bp','species'),main='Total
 Fauna
 + Species x Environment')
 Erro em match.arg(display) : 'arg' must be of length 1

 or

 text.cca(scores(CAPpotiFTI$biplot),col=323232,cex=0.6,lwd=2,lty='dotted')
 Doesn't return an error, but it's not a mirror image as expected, it's
 nonsense.

 --
 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 12:22 PM
 To: r-help@r-project.org
 Subject: Re: [R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic


 Hi Rodrigo,

 Sorry again: the structure vegan uses is quite complex. Technically
 you
 should use the extractor function scores() to extract what you want 
 from
 the
 object, e.g. scores(my.cca, display=species) or scores(my.cca,
 display=cn) [centroids]. I did work out a quicker way of reversing
 axes,
 but that seems to have gone walking...and I am not using vegan at the
 moment.

 Quickest hack is to make a copy of the objects you want to plot,
 reversing
 orientations along the way. So do (my.cca is your original object):

 Temp.data - scores(my.cca, display=c(sites, species, cn))

 ## Reverse yaxes
 Temp.data$sites[, 2] - Temp.data$sites[, 2] * -1
 Temp.data$species[, 2] - Temp.data$species[, 2] * -1
 Temp.data$centroid[, 2] - Temp.data$centroid[, 2] * -1

 Do this for all the things you are plotting whose axes you want
 reversed.
 Check this against your original plot to ensure that the mirror isn't
 broken.

 You can then use the Temp.data with the scores() function to make your
 plot.

 ## Mock e.g.
 points(scores(Temp.data, display=sites), pch=21)

 Regards, Mark.


 Rodrigo Aluizio wrote:

 Thanks a lot for your help (again) Mark.
 I adapted your suggestion to my analysis.
 But I'm getting and error when trying to apply the new values.
 The error is:

 Erro em scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[, 2] -
 scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[,
 :
  não foi posssível encontrar a função scores-

 Translating:
 Error at scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[, 2] -
 scores(CAPpotiFTI)$species[,
 :
  it's not possible to find the function scores-

 Bellow how I applied

Re: [R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic

2008-10-07 Thread Rodrigo Aluizio

Well this time I have to assume, I'm not understanding what is wrong now.
And I have to say: 'Thank You for your patience', cause I'm going crazy 
here! :-)


Mark, I tried this:

CAPpotiFTI-CAPpotiFT
for(i in c(2:8,15)) CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][, 1]-CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][, 1] * -1

and got this:

Erro em CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]] : índice fora de limites (index out of limits)

Here is the script until this point

library(vegan)
library(xlsReadWrite)
#FT--#
PotiAbioFT-read.xls('FatorialReplica.xls',sheet=4,rowNames=T)
PotiBioFT-read.xls('FatorialReplica.xls',sheet=6,rowNames=T)
attach(PotiAbioFT)
LogPotiBioFT-log(PotiBioFT+1)
CAPpotiFT-capscale(t(LogPotiBioFT)~Envoronmental+Variables,dist=bray,add=T)
PermCAPFT-anova.cca(CAPpotiFT,alpha=0.05,model='full',first=F,permutations=999)
PermCAPFT
summary(CAPpotiFT)
# Rotating the axis
CAPpotiFTI-CAPpotiFT
for(i in c(2:8,15)) CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][, 1]-CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][, 1] * -1



--
From: Mark Difford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 5:17 PM
To: r-help@r-project.org
Subject: Re: [R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic



Hi Rodrigo,

Yes it does, but this will work. You have erroneously used a , in your
call, it should be a ., if anything. You have also inserted cca... And
the axes being switched must be conformant:


CAPpotiFTI-CAPpotiFT
for(i in c(2:8,15))
CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][,2]-CAPpotiFTI,cca$CCA[[i]][,1]*-1  ## you are
writing axis 1 over axis 2; and there is no ...,cca...

Erro: unexpected ',' in for(i in c(2:8,15))   ## unexpected

comma

CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][,2]-CAPpotiFTI,


## Using your example to switch axis 1. Make sure that CAPpotiFT exists 
and

is your
## original object. Copy and paste the lines below into your R console
window and run
CAPpotiFTI - CAPpotiFT
for(i in c(2:8,15)) CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][, 1]-CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][, 1] 
* -1


Cheers, Mark.


Rodrigo Aluizio wrote:



[[elided Yahoo spam]]

Ah well, I tried the this other way, but it gave me an error.
Something in the syntax, I tried to change something but didn't fix the
error.

CAPpotiFTI-CAPpotiFT
 for(i in c(2:8,15))
CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][,2]-CAPpotiFTI,cca$CCA[[i]][,1]*-1
Erro: unexpected ',' in for(i in c(2:8,15))
CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][,2]-CAPpotiFTI,

 for(i in c(2:8,15)) CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][,1]-CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][,1]*-1
Erro em CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]] : índice fora de limites (index out of 
limits)


Well, it needs lots of patience...

--



Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 3:50 PM
To: r-help@r-project.org
Subject: Re: [R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic



Hi Rodrigo,

Again an error, as that doesn't touch one of the data structures. You
need
to extend the range to include #15, as below:

## This does axis 2
mynew.cca - my.cca
for (i in c(2:8,15)) mynew.cca$CCA[[i]][, 2] - mynew,cca$CCA[[i]][, 2]
* -1

Cheers, Mark.


Mark Difford wrote:


Hi Rodrigo,

I looked through my scripts and found my old hack. __WARNING__: Be very
careful to check that
the mirror isn't broken and that all is in order! Make sure that you 
are

reversing the axes you want. In your original post you mention axis 2,
i.e. y-axis. Below you have used axis 1.

## This does axis 2
mynew.cca - my.cca
for (i in 2:8) mynew.cca$CCA[[i]][, 2] - mynew,cca$CCA[[i]][, 2] * -1

plot(mynew.cca)

## This does axis 1
for (i in 2:8) mynew.cca$CCA[[i]][, 1] - mynew,cca$CCA[[i]][, 1] * -1

Regards, Mark.


Rodrigo Aluizio wrote:


Ok Mark, it worked for the species.
I still get an error if I try with biplot (cn,sp), but it's not a
problem,
repositioning the species is enough.
Thanks once again.

Just for future consults the error that still remains:
CAPpotiFTI-scores(CAPpotiFT, display=c('bp','species','cn','sites')
CAPpotiFTI$species[,1]-CAPpotiFTI$species[,1]*-1
CAPpotiFTI$cn[,1]-CAPpotiFTI$cn[,1]*-1
CAPpotiFTI$sites[,1]-CAPpotiFTI$sites[,1]*-1
CAPpotiFTI$bp[,1]-CAPpotiFTI$bp[,1]*-1
 plot.cca(CAPpotiFTI,type='none',display=c('bp','species'),main='Total
Fauna
+ Species x Environment')
Erro em match.arg(display) : 'arg' must be of length 1

or

text.cca(scores(CAPpotiFTI$biplot),col=323232,cex=0.6,lwd=2,lty='dotted')
Doesn't return an error, but it's not a mirror image as expected, it's
nonsense.

--



Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 12:22 PM
To: r-help@r-project.org
Subject: Re: [R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic



Hi Rodrigo,

Sorry again: the structure vegan uses is quite complex. Technically
you
should use the extractor function scores() to extract what you want
from
the
object, e.g. scores(my.cca, display=species) or scores(my.cca,
display=cn) [centroids]. I did work out a quicker way of reversing
axes,
but that seems to have gone walking...and I am not using vegan at the
moment.

Quickest hack is to make a copy of the objects you want to plot,
reversing
orientations along the way. So do (my.cca is your original object):

Temp.data - scores

Re: [R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic

2008-10-07 Thread Mark Difford

Hi Rodrigo,

This is because [I now see] you are working on a capscale object, not a cca
object, which is what I thought you were using. It still works, though, even
with c(2:8,15), though DF #15 doesn't exist in capscale objects. To show you
that this is so, run the example below, which uses a data set from vegan. I
have dropped #15 from the selection set.

## Ex. of switching axes of capscale object
windows(); par(mfrow=c(2,2))
data(varespec)
data(varechem)
vare.cap - capscale(varespec ~ N + P + K + Condition(Al), varechem,
dist=bray)
plot(vare.cap)
for(i in c(2:8)) vare.cap$CCA[[i]][, 1]-vare.cap$CCA[[i]][, 1] * -1
plot(vare.cap)
for(i in c(2:8)) vare.cap$CCA[[i]][, 2]-vare.cap$CCA[[i]][, 2] * -1
plot(vare.cap)
for(i in c(2:8)) vare.cap$CCA[[i]][, 1:2]-vare.cap$CCA[[i]][, 1:2] * -1
plot(vare.cap)

Cheers, Mark.


Rodrigo Aluizio wrote:
 
 Well this time I have to assume, I'm not understanding what is wrong now.
 And I have to say: 'Thank You for your patience', cause I'm going crazy 
 here! :-)
 
 Mark, I tried this:
 
 CAPpotiFTI-CAPpotiFT
 for(i in c(2:8,15)) CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][, 1]-CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][, 1] *
 -1
 
 and got this:
 
 Erro em CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]] : índice fora de limites (index out of limits)
 
 Here is the script until this point
 
 library(vegan)
 library(xlsReadWrite)
 #FT--#
 PotiAbioFT-read.xls('FatorialReplica.xls',sheet=4,rowNames=T)
 PotiBioFT-read.xls('FatorialReplica.xls',sheet=6,rowNames=T)
 attach(PotiAbioFT)
 LogPotiBioFT-log(PotiBioFT+1)
 CAPpotiFT-capscale(t(LogPotiBioFT)~Envoronmental+Variables,dist=bray,add=T)
 PermCAPFT-anova.cca(CAPpotiFT,alpha=0.05,model='full',first=F,permutations=999)
 PermCAPFT
 summary(CAPpotiFT)
 # Rotating the axis
 CAPpotiFTI-CAPpotiFT
 for(i in c(2:8,15)) CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][, 1]-CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][, 1] *
 -1
 
 
 
 --
 From: Mark Difford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 5:17 PM
 To: r-help@r-project.org
 Subject: Re: [R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic
 

 Hi Rodrigo,

 Yes it does, but this will work. You have erroneously used a , in your
 call, it should be a ., if anything. You have also inserted cca...
 And
 the axes being switched must be conformant:

 CAPpotiFTI-CAPpotiFT
 for(i in c(2:8,15))
 CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][,2]-CAPpotiFTI,cca$CCA[[i]][,1]*-1  ## you are
 writing axis 1 over axis 2; and there is no ...,cca...
Erro: unexpected ',' in for(i in c(2:8,15))   ## unexpected
 comma
 CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][,2]-CAPpotiFTI,

 ## Using your example to switch axis 1. Make sure that CAPpotiFT exists 
 and
 is your
 ## original object. Copy and paste the lines below into your R console
 window and run
 CAPpotiFTI - CAPpotiFT
 for(i in c(2:8,15)) CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][, 1]-CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][, 1] 
 * -1

 Cheers, Mark.


 Rodrigo Aluizio wrote:

 [[elided Yahoo spam]]
 Ah well, I tried the this other way, but it gave me an error.
 Something in the syntax, I tried to change something but didn't fix the
 error.

 CAPpotiFTI-CAPpotiFT
  for(i in c(2:8,15))
 CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][,2]-CAPpotiFTI,cca$CCA[[i]][,1]*-1
 Erro: unexpected ',' in for(i in c(2:8,15))
 CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][,2]-CAPpotiFTI,

  for(i in c(2:8,15)) CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][,1]-CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][,1]*-1
 Erro em CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]] : índice fora de limites (index out of 
 limits)

 Well, it needs lots of patience...

 --
 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 3:50 PM
 To: r-help@r-project.org
 Subject: Re: [R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic


 Hi Rodrigo,

 Again an error, as that doesn't touch one of the data structures. You
 need
 to extend the range to include #15, as below:

 ## This does axis 2
 mynew.cca - my.cca
 for (i in c(2:8,15)) mynew.cca$CCA[[i]][, 2] - mynew,cca$CCA[[i]][, 2]
 * -1

 Cheers, Mark.


 Mark Difford wrote:

 Hi Rodrigo,

 I looked through my scripts and found my old hack. __WARNING__: Be
 very
 careful to check that
 the mirror isn't broken and that all is in order! Make sure that you 
 are
 reversing the axes you want. In your original post you mention axis 2,
 i.e. y-axis. Below you have used axis 1.

 ## This does axis 2
 mynew.cca - my.cca
 for (i in 2:8) mynew.cca$CCA[[i]][, 2] - mynew,cca$CCA[[i]][, 2] * -1

 plot(mynew.cca)

 ## This does axis 1
 for (i in 2:8) mynew.cca$CCA[[i]][, 1] - mynew,cca$CCA[[i]][, 1] * -1

 Regards, Mark.


 Rodrigo Aluizio wrote:

 Ok Mark, it worked for the species.
 I still get an error if I try with biplot (cn,sp), but it's not a
 problem,
 repositioning the species is enough.
 Thanks once again.

 Just for future consults the error that still remains:
 CAPpotiFTI-scores(CAPpotiFT, display=c('bp','species','cn','sites')
 CAPpotiFTI$species[,1]-CAPpotiFTI$species[,1]*-1
 CAPpotiFTI$cn[,1]-CAPpotiFTI$cn[,1]*-1
 CAPpotiFTI$sites[,1]-CAPpotiFTI$sites[,1]*-1
 CAPpotiFTI$bp[,1]-CAPpotiFTI$bp[,1]*-1
 
 plot.cca(CAPpotiFTI,type='none',display=c('bp','species'),main='Total
 Fauna

Re: [R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic

2008-10-07 Thread Rodrigo Aluizio

Exactly. It's solved. Just remove #15.

CAPpotiFTI-CAPpotiFT
for(i in c(2:8))CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][,1]-CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][,1]*-1

It seems that I've to pay more attention and study more about R language.

Thanks a lot once more.

Rodrigo.

--
From: Mark Difford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 6:34 PM
To: r-help@r-project.org
Subject: Re: [R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic



Hi Rodrigo,

This is because [I now see] you are working on a capscale object, not a 
cca
object, which is what I thought you were using. It still works, though, 
even
with c(2:8,15), though DF #15 doesn't exist in capscale objects. To show 
you
that this is so, run the example below, which uses a data set from vegan. 
I

have dropped #15 from the selection set.

## Ex. of switching axes of capscale object
windows(); par(mfrow=c(2,2))
data(varespec)
data(varechem)
vare.cap - capscale(varespec ~ N + P + K + Condition(Al), varechem,
dist=bray)
plot(vare.cap)
for(i in c(2:8)) vare.cap$CCA[[i]][, 1]-vare.cap$CCA[[i]][, 1] * -1
plot(vare.cap)
for(i in c(2:8)) vare.cap$CCA[[i]][, 2]-vare.cap$CCA[[i]][, 2] * -1
plot(vare.cap)
for(i in c(2:8)) vare.cap$CCA[[i]][, 1:2]-vare.cap$CCA[[i]][, 1:2] * -1
plot(vare.cap)

Cheers, Mark.


Rodrigo Aluizio wrote:


Well this time I have to assume, I'm not understanding what is wrong now.
And I have to say: 'Thank You for your patience', cause I'm going crazy
here! :-)

Mark, I tried this:

CAPpotiFTI-CAPpotiFT
for(i in c(2:8,15)) CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][, 1]-CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][, 1] *
-1

and got this:

Erro em CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]] : índice fora de limites (index out of 
limits)


Here is the script until this point

library(vegan)
library(xlsReadWrite)
#FT--#
PotiAbioFT-read.xls('FatorialReplica.xls',sheet=4,rowNames=T)
PotiBioFT-read.xls('FatorialReplica.xls',sheet=6,rowNames=T)
attach(PotiAbioFT)
LogPotiBioFT-log(PotiBioFT+1)
CAPpotiFT-capscale(t(LogPotiBioFT)~Envoronmental+Variables,dist=bray,add=T)
PermCAPFT-anova.cca(CAPpotiFT,alpha=0.05,model='full',first=F,permutations=999)
PermCAPFT
summary(CAPpotiFT)
# Rotating the axis
CAPpotiFTI-CAPpotiFT
for(i in c(2:8,15)) CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][, 1]-CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][, 1] *
-1



--



Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 5:17 PM
To: r-help@r-project.org
Subject: Re: [R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic



Hi Rodrigo,

Yes it does, but this will work. You have erroneously used a , in your
call, it should be a ., if anything. You have also inserted cca...
And
the axes being switched must be conformant:


CAPpotiFTI-CAPpotiFT
for(i in c(2:8,15))
CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][,2]-CAPpotiFTI,cca$CCA[[i]][,1]*-1  ## you are
writing axis 1 over axis 2; and there is no ...,cca...

Erro: unexpected ',' in for(i in c(2:8,15))   ## unexpected

comma

CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][,2]-CAPpotiFTI,


## Using your example to switch axis 1. Make sure that CAPpotiFT exists
and
is your
## original object. Copy and paste the lines below into your R console
window and run
CAPpotiFTI - CAPpotiFT
for(i in c(2:8,15)) CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][, 1]-CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][, 1]
* -1

Cheers, Mark.


Rodrigo Aluizio wrote:



[[elided Yahoo spam]]

Ah well, I tried the this other way, but it gave me an error.
Something in the syntax, I tried to change something but didn't fix the
error.

CAPpotiFTI-CAPpotiFT
 for(i in c(2:8,15))
CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][,2]-CAPpotiFTI,cca$CCA[[i]][,1]*-1
Erro: unexpected ',' in for(i in c(2:8,15))
CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][,2]-CAPpotiFTI,

 for(i in c(2:8,15)) 
CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][,1]-CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]][,1]*-1

Erro em CAPpotiFTI$CCA[[i]] : índice fora de limites (index out of
limits)

Well, it needs lots of patience...

--



Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 3:50 PM
To: r-help@r-project.org
Subject: Re: [R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic



Hi Rodrigo,

Again an error, as that doesn't touch one of the data structures. You
need
to extend the range to include #15, as below:

## This does axis 2
mynew.cca - my.cca
for (i in c(2:8,15)) mynew.cca$CCA[[i]][, 2] - mynew,cca$CCA[[i]][, 
2]

* -1

Cheers, Mark.


Mark Difford wrote:


Hi Rodrigo,

I looked through my scripts and found my old hack. __WARNING__: Be
very
careful to check that
the mirror isn't broken and that all is in order! Make sure that you
are
reversing the axes you want. In your original post you mention axis 
2,

i.e. y-axis. Below you have used axis 1.

## This does axis 2
mynew.cca - my.cca
for (i in 2:8) mynew.cca$CCA[[i]][, 2] - mynew,cca$CCA[[i]][, 2] 
* -1


plot(mynew.cca)

## This does axis 1
for (i in 2:8) mynew.cca$CCA[[i]][, 1] - mynew,cca$CCA[[i]][, 1] 
* -1


Regards, Mark.


Rodrigo Aluizio wrote:


Ok Mark, it worked for the species.
I still get an error if I try with biplot (cn,sp), but it's not a
problem,
repositioning the species is enough.
Thanks once again.

Just for future consults the error that still remains

[R] Mirror Image on Biplot Graphic

2008-10-03 Thread Rodrigo Aluizio
He everybody,
Well I have a biplot CCA-like origined from plot.cca (vegan package). I need to 
rotate on y axis the lines and symbols of constrained and sites representation. 
If I do that on an image editor, I rotate everything, including titles, axes 
labels and positions. I just need to rotate the inner par and keep the 
variables names (constrained) and symbols in the new positions but with the 
right direction.
So, is there on R a way to do that while creating the image?
Here is the code that generate the graphic.

plot.cca(CAPpotiFT,type='none',display=c('bp','sites'),main='Total Fauna
Sites x Environment')
text.cca(CAPpotiFT,dis='cn',col='black',cex=0.6,lwd=0.5,lty='dotted')
points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='1',],pch=21)
points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='2',],pch=20)
points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='3',],pch=22,bg='gray')
points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='4',],pch=24)
points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='5',],pch=24,bg='black')
points(ScoresCAPFT$sites[FatoresRep$BiofaciesBC=='6',],pch=25,bg='gray')

Thanks in advice.
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