Re: [R] Odp: : Question about correlation between data.

2009-10-19 Thread Petr PIKAL
David Scott d.sc...@auckland.ac.nz napsal dne 17.10.2009 03:01:35:

 Petr PIKAL wrote:
  Hi
  
  r-help-boun...@r-project.org napsal dne 16.10.2009 15:24:05:
  
  hi everybody, I'm a student, and I'm new using R! 
  I'm looking for statistical 
  help hoping somebody can answer me! 
 
  This is my problem: 
  I have 2 temporal 
  series. The firstone is a series of mesured data (height of 
monitorated 
  points), the second is a series of temperature (in Celsius degree). 
 
  Using 
  Matlab I have built  the two graphs (Measured Data - Time  
Temperature 
  - 
  Time). 
 
  Looking those graphs I can surely say that there is a clear 
  correlation beetween theme, and also that the measured data are 
surely 
  influenced by the variations of temperature. 
 
  Unfortunately my statistical 
  knowledges are not that large so using R seems quite difficult to me. 

 
  My 
  question is: is there a code already written the can compare the 2 
  temporal 
  series and can find the correlation between the data??? 
  
  If the relationship is linear than
  
  lm(values~temperature, ...)
  
  shall suffice
  
  if it is nonlinear than you can look e.g. to
  
  ?nls
  
  And also: is there a 
  code that can correct the Measured Data from the influence of 
  temperature and 
  return a clean data??? 
  
  maybe ?predict.
  
  Regards
  Petr
  
  
 
 This sounds a little dangerous to me. Antonio is wanting to determine 
 correlations between *time series* if I understand correctly.

Hm, I understood he measured some value and at the same time he recorded a 
temperature. He wants to know if there is a relationship between value and 
temperature. If he is monitoring some continuous process and there is no 
wave or drift of both values with time (the series are stationery) he can 
use simple lm. I agree that when the values are drifting or fluctuating 
with some time pattern than he shall adjust for it.

Regards
Petr


 
 The time series need to be prewhitened or the correlations between 
 successive observations modeled in some way. Just using lm can be very 
 misleading because of the violation of the independence assumption.
 
 If Antonio does not understand these comments he needs to consult a 
 local statistician.
 
 David Scott
 
 
 
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   Auckland 1142,NEW ZEALAND
 Phone: +64 9 923 5055, or +64 9 373 7599 ext 85055
 Email:   d.sc...@auckland.ac.nz,  Fax: +64 9 373 7018
 
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Re: [R] Odp: : Question about correlation between data.

2009-10-16 Thread David Scott

Petr PIKAL wrote:

Hi

r-help-boun...@r-project.org napsal dne 16.10.2009 15:24:05:

hi everybody, I'm a student, and I'm new using R! 
I'm looking for statistical 
help hoping somebody can answer me! 

This is my problem: 
I have 2 temporal 
series. The firstone is a series of mesured data (height of monitorated 
points), the second is a series of temperature (in Celsius degree). 

Using 
Matlab I have built  the two graphs (Measured Data - Time  Temperature 
- 
Time). 

Looking those graphs I can surely say that there is a clear 
correlation beetween theme, and also that the measured data are surely 
influenced by the variations of temperature. 

Unfortunately my statistical 
knowledges are not that large so using R seems quite difficult to me. 

My 
question is: is there a code already written the can compare the 2 
temporal 
series and can find the correlation between the data??? 


If the relationship is linear than

lm(values~temperature, ...)

shall suffice

if it is nonlinear than you can look e.g. to

?nls

And also: is there a 
code that can correct the Measured Data from the influence of 
temperature and 
return a clean data??? 


maybe ?predict.

Regards
Petr




This sounds a little dangerous to me. Antonio is wanting to determine 
correlations between *time series* if I understand correctly.


The time series need to be prewhitened or the correlations between 
successive observations modeled in some way. Just using lm can be very 
misleading because of the violation of the independence assumption.


If Antonio does not understand these comments he needs to consult a 
local statistician.


David Scott



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David Scott Department of Statistics
The University of Auckland, PB 92019
Auckland 1142,NEW ZEALAND
Phone: +64 9 923 5055, or +64 9 373 7599 ext 85055
Email:  d.sc...@auckland.ac.nz,  Fax: +64 9 373 7018

Director of Consulting, Department of Statistics

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