Re: [RDA-L] Progress on tasks?
20.07.2011 18:13, Damian Iseminger: It seems a tad unrealistic to expect progress on any of these goals since ALA just concluded less than a month ago and the next meeting of the JSC is not until mid-August in Scotland. Agreed. Mac's questions are, however, valid in that they reflect concerns many or most libraries will now be sharing: Who's going to do what now, and what can we expect to happen when? How will it affect operations? How can we prepare? Will the Toolkit content be revamped entirely so it is no use to get involved with it now? Will costs skyrocket if MARC gets trashed? And so on and so further. Right now, everything seems open again, and that's a bit too much to believe in a turning point in early 2013. The size of this affair and its potential ramifications is such that what we need now is timely and complete information on all steps that are being taken. No more secrecy or much-delayed supply of too little information. We need to become part of open environments, and everywhere else such environments have open standards for global communities, not managed by tight-lipped steering committees or advisory panels in semi-annual, invitation only meetings, and accessible only on a subscription basis. There will have to be a whole new spirit of collaboration and information sharing that welcomes everybody who is willing to contribute. As a minimum, there would have to be some kind of liaison officer who would communicate ASAP all relevant information discussed in the closed circles. And who would provide convincing answers to questions we can now all too often only speculate about although we can be sure that those who could answer them are among the readership of this forum, for instance. How else can one expect the whole undertaking to become a success? Success on the scale envisioned takes enthusiasm, active engagement on all levels, participation in decision processes wherever possible, and all this cannot be ordered but only generated in open environments. If RDA cannot catch up to these models, then indeed there's room for a sceptic view of its potential for success. This is not to criticize the LC. They have certainly done a very good job conducting the test and communicating the results forthwith. It is only that the test was ill conceived from the start and did no more than scratch the surface of what FRBR is all about, for instance. But they've noticed that this is due to limitations of MARC... B.Eversberg
Re: [RDA-L] Progress on tasks?
Quoting Damian Iseminger damian.isemin...@necmusic.edu (in part): It seems a tad unrealistic to expect progress on any of these goals since ALA just concluded less than a month ago and the next meeting of the JSC is not until mid-August in Scotland. [i.e. November, as already noted]) Yes, the tasks may seem daunting, but they are not unreachable. I seriously doubt that this means RDA is dead. Nevertheless, Mac's inquiry is not frivolous -- ALA just concluded and next meeting of the JSC actually point to the obstacles, the periods of time that, for many, will not be available for work on RDA and related matters, especially MARC replacement. We may assume, of course, that both LC and JSC have already begun to sketch the landscape to be crossed in less than eighteen months; but it would be valuable, and reassuring for many, to have some kind of progress notes. If it were done ... and so on -- maybe the only way it can be done; pausing for feedback and consideration by others may make the task impossible. In her invention of MARC, I don't recall that Henriette Avram paused to consult stakeholders... Hal Cain Melbourne, Australia hec...@dml.vic.edu.au This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
Re: [RDA-L] Progress on tasks?
21.07.2011 13:33, Hal Cain ... pausing for feedback and consideration by others may make the task impossible. In her invention of MARC, I don't recall that Henriette Avram paused to consult stakeholders... At that time, if I'm not entirely wrong, the stakeholders all sat on Capitol Hill. (And MARC was explicitly designed so that customers wouldn't notice much of a change in the cards they received.) So, you suggest they close their doors and shield themselves from outside noise, to re-emerge on Jan. 1, 2013, and present us with a new Septuaginta? B.E.
Re: [RDA-L] Progress on tasks?
Hal Cain said: In her invention of MARC, I don't recall that Henriette Avram paused to consult stakeholders... True. And the same thing can be said of AACR2 when it first came out. We live in a very different world now -- one of incredibly fast communication where stakeholders expect to be consulted. The difficulty is one of balance -- listening to what people have to say and accommodating suggestions while at the same time moving forward in a timely manner. This is something the JSC grappled with during the entire RDA creation process. And it doesn't get easier -- even knowing that RDA will, in fact, be implemented. Cordially, Marjorie Marjorie E. Bloss 2827 West Gregory Street Chicago, IL 60625 USA 1-773-878-4008 1-773-519-4009 (mobile) marjorie_bl...@msn.com
Re: [RDA-L] Progress on tasks?
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Re: [RDA-L] Progress on tasks?
Hal Cain said:
In her invention of MARC, I don't recall that Henriette Avram paused
to consult stakeholders...
She did in fact invite cataloguers down from the National Library of
Canada (as it was then called), and they rejected whole thing as pie
in the sky. The University of Toronto then picked up the ball for
Canada.
Another poster has given the libraries invited to participate. I
found Ms Avram responsive to suggestions and responsive to reasoning,
when I was on the Working Group for the nonbook ISBD, unlike present
MARBI.
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