Re: [recoznettwo] SMH - Letters (extract)

2001-09-05 Thread Liam

These seemed pretty supportive of asylum seekers Trudy. Is this an edited
list of letters?

Liam

on 4/9/01 12:01 AM, Trudy Bray at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The Sydney Morning Herald
 Letters: Skipper heard mayday - so should Australia
 


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Re: [recoznettwo] SMH - Letters (extract)

2001-09-05 Thread Trudy Bray

This particular time it was. I thought it was pretty clear - they don't publish
them that way. :-) 

Trudy

Liam wrote:
 
 These seemed pretty supportive of asylum seekers Trudy. Is this an edited
 list of letters?
 
 Liam
 
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  Letters: Skipper heard mayday - so should Australia
 
 
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Re: [recoznettwo] SMH - Letters (extract)

2001-06-20 Thread Trudy Bray

Hi Bridget,

Because he goes to great lengths to portray himself and reasonable and caring.
Many people keep on about how 'decent' he is and how hard it is for him to be
like this in light of his 'decency'. I figure a really decent man couldn't do
what he is doing so it he is acting out of choice.

Trudy


Bridget Carrick wrote:
 
 Trudy why would Rudduck feel uncomfortable being supported by racists when
 he comes across (to me at least) as being exceptionally racist himself!!??
 Bridget
 
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 The Sydney Morning Herald
 June 21, 2001
 Letters
 
 Abuse must end before we can all reconcile
 
 Danna Vale has stirred the pot with her criticism of Aboriginal leaders,
 specifically Geoff Clark and Pat O'Shane, for not doing enough to
 reduce the widespread sexual and physical abuse of Aboriginal women and
 children
 (MP attacks 'frauds' for not tackling sex crimes,
 Herald, June 20).
 
 The Aboriginal community clearly wants reconciliation, but who wants to be
 reconciled with a community that abuses its women and
 children? It's not racist to speak out against criminal activity when it is
 practised by a different race. It is still criminal activity. The main
 issue is not whether Geoff Clark is guilty as charged by the media court,
 but
 whether he and other leading Aborigines are doing enough to
 eliminate this stain on the honour of their race.
 
 Only after they collectively and seriously address this endemic problem
 will it
 be appropriate to talk about reconciliation.
 
 Tony Wood, Gymea, June 19.
 
 For 10 years I have been involved in advocacy and support of women and
 children
 who have experienced domestic violence, and in
 many cases sexual assault.
 
 As such, I am absolutely devastated that Pat O'Shane, for whom I have
 historically had the utmost respect, appears to be minimalising
 and undermining the validity of women's disclosures.
 
 It is my experience that women (and children) are more likely not to report
 sexual or physical abuse than fabricate allegations. This is
 supported by the ABS Women's Safety Australia study 1996, which indicated
 that
 89 per cent of women in sexual assaults did not report
 the assault to the police.
 
 Comments that invalidate women's disclosures have a direct impact on women
 who
 are attempting to stop the violence and/or seek some
 legal redress.
 
 A survey of attitudes of magistrates (1999) found 90 per cent of
 magistrates
 surveyed agreed that domestic violence orders are often
 used by applicants in Family Court proceedings as a tactic to aid their
 case and
 deprive their partner from access to children. Pat is
 obviously not alone in her thinking.
 
 Pamela Foster, North Sydney, June 19.
 
 Unfortunately, Pat O'Shane is not in a position to speak her mind about
 issues
 which are widely known among the legal profession and
 particularly in the Family Court arena. Women don't generally make
 unsubstantiated claims of sexual abuse against males. However, it
 does occur and it occurs more frequently in Family Court matters where
 women
 claim their spouses have physically or sexually abused
 their children. Many of these matters go unsubstantiated and always leave a
 doubt as to the truth.
 
 Of course, there are instances where it is a legitimate allegation but
 there are
 also instances where it is a total fabrication to achieve a
 means to an end.
 
 Pat O'Shane is not saying any more than this but unfortunately she is in a
 judicial position where she is unable to educate the community
 as to the reality of life.
 
 Paul McCosker, Ashtonfield, June 19.
 
 Margo Kingston's opinion piece (Who is oppressing who, Geoff?, Herald
 Online,
 June 20) is exactly the point Geoff Clark makes this
 same day. However loathsome the crime of rape and unappealing his response
 to
 the allegations, Mr Clark is an innocent man. He does
 not become guilty unless convicted in a court following proof of his guilt
 by
 the prosecution.
 
 Mr Clark is under no obligation to prove his innocence and is entitled to
 simply
 deny his guilt and then mutely await the verdict.
 
 The presumption of innocence is one of the cornerstones of our allegedly
 free
 society. A free and independent media is another
 cornerstone. I support the original publication of the story and all
 genuine
 reporting on it. After all, Mr Clark can always have his day in
 the defamation court and, if he wins, the Fairfax organisation will then
 simply
 have made him a wealthy man.
 
 Kingston's piece is pernicious and deplorable. A responsible editor should
 have
 consigned it to the wastebasket. I wonder whether she
 would have written the same things if the allegations had been about a
 different
 type of crime?
 
 Peter Nugent, Sydney, June 20.
 
 Refugees do not belong in prison camps
 
 Refugees are detained in