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Do you regularly share the Great News that Jesus died in our place, was raised on the third day to be with His Father...so that we too can enjoy that opportunity with Him? Do you share that regularly with whomever the Lord heads your way? Just curious, Larry Ingle, DFW Metroplex ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
Re: question
Thank you for your e-mail, Mr. Ingle. However, please note that this list is not about religion or religious practices (including evangelism) per se; rather, it is about religion and law. Therefore, for a question to be germane (relevant) to this list, the question must at the minimum pertain to both religion and law, and not to religion only. Additionally, please note that the members of thislist are not exclusively Christian, and even among those memberswho profess Christianity, their views and practices range across the entire spectrum. (Of course, if anybody (particularly the moderator) disagrees with anything I have said, please feel free to say so.) I hope this has been helpful. Have a great day. Very truly yours, Ross S. Heckmann Attorney at Law Arcadia, California - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 4:32 AM Subject: question Do you regularly share the Great News that Jesus died in our place, was raised on the third day to be with His Father...so that we too can enjoy that opportunity with Him? Do you share that regularly with whomever the Lord heads your way? Just curious, Larry Ingle, DFW Metroplex ___To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.eduTo subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlawPlease note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others. ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
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Re: question
Title: Re: question I think the gentleman, Mr. Ingle, may have been asking his question in total innocence. I think that Ross Heckmans response was kind and gracious, for it assumed that Mr. Ingle may be a novice to either this list or to internet interaction in general. Having been at the receiving end of a similar mistake I made on a philosophy list over 10 years ago, I know how grateful I would have been if those that had hurled insults at me had given me the benefit of the doubt and offered me the sort of direction that Ross offered Mr. Ingle. Frank On 2/26/05 3:55 PM, Paul Finkelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am curious why this is on our list serve? It violates the entire principle of this list, which is about serious discussion about law and religion and not designed to provide a venue for people to seek converts, proclaim their religions beliefs, or speculate about what might have happened to someone's body after he was executed by the Romans.. I would respone to Mr. Ingle, whoever he might be, that I am find his post of this offensive and intrusive. As for his question, I suppose I would have to say that I follow the same religion that Jesus followed, and, as Mr. Ingle might put it, if it was good enough for Jesus, it is good enough for me. So please, Mr. Ingle, take your curious questions elsewhere. ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
From the list custodian re: off-topic posts
Title: Message I much appreciated Mr. Heckmann's helpful response to the offending post --which I would have offered myself, had I read my e-mail earlier. But for now let's assume that the poster has been properly enlightened about the list rules, and that no more needs to be added. The list custodian ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
Re: evangelize
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So be it, but it is important, I believe to be reminded of the ONLY reason we Christians ought to be followers of Jesus the Christ, and that reason is to evangelize the lost. I do not find that declaration offensive in this venue or any other. To everything there is a season, a time for every purpose under the sun. a time to be born and a time to die; a time to plant and a time to pluck up that which is planted; a time to kill and a time to heal ... a time to weep and a time to laugh; a time to mourn and a time to dance ... a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing; a time to lose and a time to seek; a time to rend and a time to sew; a time to keep silent and a time to speak; a time to love and a time to hate; a time for war and a time for peace. It seems to me that every mature adult must understand the notion of context-appropriate behavior. There are many actions that are good, even vital for survival, but they still must be undertaken in the proper context. Reading a book is a wonderful thing indeed; reading a book while driving down the highway is likely to result in a considerable amount of pain and suffering. Making love to one's spouse is a great thing; doing so on the #10 bus will get you arrested. I strongly suggest that this is not the appropriate place for evangelism, no more so than it would be appropriate while sitting on a jury or while attending a lecture. Ed Brayton, evangelizing for a little common sense No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 2/25/05 ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
From the list custodian RE: evangelize
Title: Message I don't find it offensive because of its content -- but it's not allowed in this venue. Imagine that this were a mathematicians' convention, and people were talking about math, and someone got up and started to evangelize. That would be inappropriate, because off-topic. So are your posts. Please do not post any further on this, or I will have to unsubscribe you. I would normally not post such messages to the list, but would deal with such matters privately. But given that I've already asked you once off-list to stop posting off-topic messages, I feel I need to reassure the other list members that they're going to be getting what they subscribed to get -- discussions of law -- and not personal religious messages. To the other members on the list: I don't think we need any further discussion of this off-topic matter, unless you feel strongly about it. Many thanks, The list custodian So be it, but it is important, I believe to be reminded of the ONLY reason we Christians ought to be followers of Jesus the Christ, and that reason is to evangelize the lost. I do not find that declaration offensive in this venue or any other. ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
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Please unsubscribe me. God's law is more important than man's law and its frivolous nature. God bless you some more. Larry Ingle DFW Metroplex ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
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Just a question for those on the list. Is this Larry Ingle the historian from Tennessee-Chattanooga? He used to be on this list quite some time ago and is an expert on Quakers and religious history in particular. He seems a good deal more reasonable than this bloke. Ed Brayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please unsubscribe me. God's law is more important than man's law and its frivolous nature. God bless you some more. Larry Ingle DFW Metroplex ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 2/25/05 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 2/25/05 ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
Re: evangelize
I have received a couple of private e-mails on my post, suggesting that I over reacted to the first evangelical post. So let me explain my posting. I did not see the evangeglical posting as a mistake. The second posting of Mr. Ingle reaffirms my view of this. Anyone who is on this list serve has asked to be on it, has signed up for, and if you read what goes on, you understand that this is a serious academic electronic seminar. Mr. Ingle may feel you should evangelize any time, any place, but your evangelizing is an imposition and an insult -- a hostile assult -- on those people of faith who are content and happy with their own faith; this is a list serve to discuss scholarship and ideas, not to evangelize. If you use it for that, then you are misusing thie list and in effect commiting a fraud on the list serve. When we joined this list we joined for a purpose and clearly evangelical activities are not part of that purpose. When you attempt to convert me, or urge me to follow your faith, then you insult my faith and insult me. It is an assault on my beliefs and my way of life. Mr. Ingle asserts it would never be offensive to evangelize, that it is always appropriate. I wonder how Mr. Ingle would carry that. Would he think it appropirate to enter a church or synagogue or temple during a funeral an begin to preach his/her evangelical beliefs? Should you disrupt a wedding with your religious views on conversion? Can you stand up in my classroom to witness your faith? Or the public library? Or a seminar on church and state? Surely this listserve is a seminar on religion and law and I would hope Mr. Ingle and others would have the sense of decorcum not to disrupt our seminar with their preaching. Now imagine the shoe is on the other foot. Imagine you are in your church, and someone of a different sect of Christianity invades that space to disrupt your worship -- or your class if you teach -- asserting that *you* have the wrong approach to God. Or imagine someone of a non-Christian faith doing this. Mr. Ingle may believe I am lost, but I assure I am not lost; I am quite certain where I am and do not need, or want, your advice on how to find my way. Indeed, I think you have lost your sense of understanding towards others. I would urge you to consider if you would want others, Moslems, Hindus, Sikhs, Satanists, other Christians, to do unto you, as you so arrogantly claim you have the right to do to me; would you so happily want your intellectual seminar invaded by those who attempt to impose their faiths on you. If you want to evangelize, go into the public square and do it, but not on a private seminar of people engaged in serious discussions of about law and religion. -- Paul Finkelman Chapman Distinguished Professor of Law University of Tulsa College of Law 3120 East 4th Place Tulsa, OK 74104-3189 918-631-3706 (office) 918-631-2194 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So be it, but it is important, I believe to be reminded of the ONLY reason we Christians ought to be followers of Jesus the Christ, and that reason is to evangelize the lost. I do not find that declaration offensive in this venue or any other. LI ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others. ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
RE: evangelize
Title: Message Folks: Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I think this discussion is getting to be as off-topic as the post that prompted it. Eugene ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
