Re: [Repeater-Builder] Two-Tone Sequential Coding Standard

2005-12-05 Thread Bob M.
That's pretty much what I figured as well, but maybe
the tolerance isn't as tight as the freqs are spec'd
to. They could have done that to throw us off. PL
tones can be off by close to one cycle and still work
properly, but they're spaced apart by 3-4 cycles, so
I'd say the tolerance on those is likely +/- 1-2 Hz.

Similar logic on the paging tones would show they're
spaced 30-60 Hz apart, so the tolerance might still be
0.5-1% or so, which would be easier to deal with than
under 0.1%. As long as the tones aren't harmonically
related, even with the tolerance at one end.

Just my $0.02 worth.

Bob M.
==
--- Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Bob,
 
 Well, I guess the Rosetta Stone document is not as
 valuable as I had
 hoped.  I went through it carefully, but found no
 statement of tone
 tolerance.  However, I can infer from the printed
 frequencies- which are
 specified to 1/10 Hz- that the tolerance is +/- 0.1
 Hz or better.  That
 jibes with your assumption of well under one
 percent.
 
 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
 
 Bob M. wrote:
 
  I think all we wanted to find out was the
 frequency tolerance. Is that
  in the document? The general consensus seemed to
 be well under 1
  percent, just based on the odd frequencies in use.
 
  Bob M.
  ==
  --- Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   A week ago, there was an exchange of postings
   regarding the
   specifications of the two-tone sequential paging
   format.  After some
   searching of my Motorola archives, I found a
   document which I believe is
   the Rosetta Stone we seek.
  
   It is Motorola Publication 6881103C80, entitled
   Two-Tone Sequential
   Tone Coding.  This seven-page document includes
 the
   timing and
   deviation specifications, along with charts
 listing
   the various code
   plans.  It costs about $3 from Motorola Parts.
  
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Two-Tone Sequential Coding Standard

2005-12-05 Thread Joe Montierth
The frequency stamped on the tone has nothing to do
with the tolerence range of it. PL tones are stamped
to .1 Hz, but will generally work +- 1% or so, and are
spaced at 3-4% intervals.

This is probably a similiar tolerence, given the fact
that PL and 2 tone come from the same era and
started by using the same technology reeds. I would
guess that +-1% should work fine for seting off a
2tone decoder, maybe even more- for sure the tones
don't have to be right on or even within .1% for
reliable operation.

Joe

--- Bob M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That's pretty much what I figured as well, but maybe
 the tolerance isn't as tight as the freqs are spec'd
 to. They could have done that to throw us off. PL
 tones can be off by close to one cycle and still
 work
 properly, but they're spaced apart by 3-4 cycles, so
 I'd say the tolerance on those is likely +/- 1-2 Hz.
 
 Similar logic on the paging tones would show they're
 spaced 30-60 Hz apart, so the tolerance might still
 be
 0.5-1% or so, which would be easier to deal with
 than
 under 0.1%. As long as the tones aren't harmonically
 related, even with the tolerance at one end.
 
 Just my $0.02 worth.
 
 Bob M.
 ==
 --- Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Bob,
  
  Well, I guess the Rosetta Stone document is not as
  valuable as I had
  hoped.  I went through it carefully, but found no
  statement of tone
  tolerance.  However, I can infer from the printed
  frequencies- which are
  specified to 1/10 Hz- that the tolerance is +/-
 0.1
  Hz or better.  That
  jibes with your assumption of well under one
  percent.
  
  73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
  
  Bob M. wrote:
  
   I think all we wanted to find out was the
  frequency tolerance. Is that
   in the document? The general consensus seemed to
  be well under 1
   percent, just based on the odd frequencies in
 use.
  
   Bob M.
   ==
   --- Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
A week ago, there was an exchange of postings
regarding the
specifications of the two-tone sequential
 paging
format.  After some
searching of my Motorola archives, I found a
document which I believe is
the Rosetta Stone we seek.
   
It is Motorola Publication 6881103C80,
 entitled
Two-Tone Sequential
Tone Coding.  This seven-page document
 includes
  the
timing and
deviation specifications, along with charts
  listing
the various code
plans.  It costs about $3 from Motorola Parts.
   
73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
 




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[Repeater-Builder] Aerotron Repeater Help

2005-12-05 Thread RD
Hi all, I'm new to the list and am looking for any info/help I can get
on an old MPAC VHF Aerotron repeater that I inherited.
We're trying to get the osc. boards to fire, but have failed so far. 
I have several boards and none of them from the repeater will fire. 
The boards mount on three pins in the Rx or Tx.  Everything else seems
to be working except these boards.  Could there be a means of turning
them on?
Any help would be appreciated.  I can furnish digital pictures, etc.,
if need be.  If anyone is in need of info from the service manual on
these I do have one available.  Be glad to help out.
Appreciate any help.

Thank you

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[Repeater-Builder] Low band station listed on EBAY

2005-12-05 Thread FHS





Will the person that sent a msg to yahoo groups 
about listing a low band station on EBAY please send me the EBAY Item Number. I 
have searched EBAY under GE, Mastr, MastrII without finding it.
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[Repeater-Builder] Want ot BUY UHF Repeater

2005-12-05 Thread Bob
Looking to Buy a UHF 440 mhz HamBand Repeater
must be programble to frequency and at least 25-50 or more watts output
Must have Controler but i dont need duplexers i have my own tune..Let 
me know what you have and priceI not going to pay new price for 
used gear.Tnx Bobby/N2BR

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Low band station listed on EBAY

2005-12-05 Thread Mike Perryman





Fred,
Was it 
this one? 5838651515 It is a 
Motorola...
mike

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Want ot BUY UHF Repeater

2005-12-05 Thread Mike Perryman
Bob,
KF4ZRI has 2 listed on ebay..
7567795269
7567792082

Look like Micor unified chassis radios from the cabinets..  Fairhope, AL.

mike

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Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Want ot BUY UHF Repeater


Looking to Buy a UHF 440 mhz HamBand Repeater
must be programble to frequency and at least 25-50 or more watts output
Must have Controler but i dont need duplexers i have my own tune..Let 
me know what you have and priceI not going to pay new price for 
used gear.Tnx Bobby/N2BR

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Low band station listed on EBAY

2005-12-05 Thread radio5000





I don't have one listed on ebay (yet), but I have a complete Mastr II 
repeater on 45Mhz. It is a B3D100YAUDA, with a Wacom WP-604-C duplexer and 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Low band station listed on EBAY

2005-12-05 Thread Paul Finch





Hello,

Where are you located?

Paul
WB5IDM



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  I don't have one listed on ebay (yet), but I have a complete Mastr II 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Want ot BUY UHF Repeater

2005-12-05 Thread Mike Pugh
Bobby, what are you looking for, and what do you want to pay/trade? I've 
got a modified GM300 here ready to go. We;re not that far apart, I'm in 
Lexington, Ky, and come to Renfro Valley every weekend, as I'm on staff 
there in the band. Mike KA4MKG

Bob wrote:

 Looking to Buy a UHF 440 mhz HamBand Repeater
 must be programble to frequency and at least 25-50 or more watts output
 Must have Controler but i dont need duplexers i have my own tune..Let 
 me know what you have and priceI not going to pay new price for 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Low band station listed on EBAY

2005-12-05 Thread Mike Perryman





Are you interested in selling the duplexer 
and/or the antenna separately? I am currently building a 6m 
machine.

Mike
K5JMP

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[Repeater-Builder] how i can connect 2 mobile radios GM160 Motorola to work like repatear

2005-12-05 Thread hussin reda





Hi to all


how i can connect 2 mobile radios GM160 Motorola to work like repatear, by 
used the accessories pins ??? 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Midland Vehicular repeater info

2005-12-05 Thread Jim B.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 FYI
 The Midland 70-050  70-052 70-055  70-056  Radios work great on 6
 meters..
 Just make sure you get the C split
 80 channels of pure fun
 73 Scott ka9sln
 Fort Wayne In 

Different radios-he's talking about the 70-0500 series (note the extra 
0). These are Syn-Tech II, instead of the original Syn-Tech's. Various 
config's, up to 360 Ch's.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Low band station listed on EBAY

2005-12-05 Thread radio5000





Northwest Florida.

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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Want ot BUY UHF Repeater

2005-12-05 Thread Bob

Mike looking for a repeater 25-50 watts with controler not looking to 
trade only to buy if price is right.Bobby/N2BR

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wrote:

 Bobby, what are you looking for, and what do you want to pay/trade? 
I've 
 got a modified GM300 here ready to go. We;re not that far apart, 
I'm in 
 Lexington, Ky, and come to Renfro Valley every weekend, as I'm on 
staff 
 there in the band. Mike KA4MKG
 
 Bob wrote:
 
  Looking to Buy a UHF 440 mhz HamBand Repeater
  must be programble to frequency and at least 25-50 or more watts 
output
  Must have Controler but i dont need duplexers i have my own 
tune..Let 
  me know what you have and priceI not going to pay new price 
for 
  used gear.Tnx Bobby/N2BR
  
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Low band station listed on EBAY

2005-12-05 Thread Paul Finch





Will,

Thanks, still way too far away, the shipping 
would be terrible!

Paul


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[Repeater-Builder] MOTOROLA PARTS SUPPLY

2005-12-05 Thread us_communications1
I need a tu-540W for a mototola receiver, does anyone know where i may 
find one?







 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Aerotron Repeater Help

2005-12-05 Thread Mike Morris
It's been a long time since I played with an Aerotron station, but
you have to remember that they are multichannel units - and there
are frequency select lines.

Motorola uses a ground on a pint to enable the appropriate channel,
and Aerotron may be the same.  Look at the schematic (or trace
the oscillator section of an extra board if you don't have one) and
locate the select lines - you will probably find that they go to
sequential pins on a connector, and one of the other pins on that
same connector is the select line (either a ground or a voltage).

Once you determine if you have to tie the select line high or low,
then do that to the channel 1 pin on the connector and it
should work.

Then you can quote the famous line from Young Frankenstein
It's Aive.  It's Aive.

Mike WA6ILQ

At 06:26 AM 12/5/05, you wrote:

Hi all, I'm new to the list and am looking for any info/help I can get
on an old MPAC VHF Aerotron repeater that I inherited.
We're trying to get the osc. boards to fire, but have failed so far.
I have several boards and none of them from the repeater will fire.
The boards mount on three pins in the Rx or Tx.  Everything else seems
to be working except these boards.  Could there be a means of turning
them on?
Any help would be appreciated.  I can furnish digital pictures, etc.,
if need be.  If anyone is in need of info from the service manual on
these I do have one available.  Be glad to help out.
Appreciate any help.

Thank you

Roger










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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Aerotron Repeater Help

2005-12-05 Thread Ken Arck
At 01:30 PM 12/5/2005 -0800, you wrote:
Motorola uses a ground on a pint to enable the appropriate channel,
and Aerotron may be the same. 

---My Quintron uses an Aerotron MPAC receiver. They don't ground the TXCO
in order to enable it, they supply 9.5 volts DC to it (switched as they
say).

The pin used is the one in the center, on the opposite end of it from the
trimmer cap

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] MOTOROLA PARTS SUPPLY

2005-12-05 Thread Captainlance
I have the 540S filter, 5kc. the 540W is 15kc... lance N2HBA
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Midland Vehicular repeater info

2005-12-05 Thread dalite01
And they loose sensitivity rapidly above 48 MHz; even the CWB (Wideband) 
models.

The 70-052C Syntech I was even spec'ed out to 54 MHz in the FCC database, 
and it makes a great 6m rig.  .3uV sensitivity easily attainable.

The 70-0520CWB Syntech II can be modified to get sensitivity of 3 uV. 
Without modification of the front end it will get around 3mV.

David
KD4NUE



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Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Midland Vehicular repeater info


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 FYI
 The Midland 70-050  70-052 70-055  70-056  Radios work great on 6
 meters..
 Just make sure you get the C split
 80 channels of pure fun
 73 Scott ka9sln
 Fort Wayne In

 Different radios-he's talking about the 70-0500 series (note the extra
 0). These are Syn-Tech II, instead of the original Syn-Tech's. Various
 config's, up to 360 Ch's.

 -- 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Low band station listed on EBAY

2005-12-05 Thread Mike Perryman K5JMP





Yep,
That is a fact... I am trying to get a 
Micor in the cabinet shipped from just Northwest of Knoxville, TN. 
Shipping for a palletized cabinet was just over 500 bucks to VA
I don't suppose anyone would be making that 
trek in the near future??? Knoxville to 
DC just thought I would 
ask...
 
mike

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  band station listed on EBAY
  Will,
  
  Thanks, still way too far away, the 
  shipping would be terrible!
  
  Paul
  
  
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Low band station listed on EBAY

2005-12-05 Thread Paul Finch





Mike,

You may want to check with the auto 
transport group on Yahoo, they go all over the place and probably make it happen 
if you had the time.

Paul



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  band station listed on EBAY
  Yep,
  That is a fact... I am trying to get 
  a Micor in the cabinet shipped from just Northwest of Knoxville, TN. 
  Shipping for a palletized cabinet was just over 500 bucks to 
  VA
  I don't suppose anyone would be making 
  that trek in the near future??? Knoxville to 
  DC just thought I would 
  ask...
   
  mike
  
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Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Paul 
FinchSent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:44 PMTo: 
Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] 
Low band station listed on EBAY
Will,

Thanks, still way too far away, the 
shipping would be terrible!

Paul


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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Source for RF enclos

2005-12-05 Thread Joe
I've got two of the polyphasors today.  They will ship via USPS Priority 
Mail for about $4.00  If you want them, send me an address.

At 06:42 PM 12/4/2005 -0500, you wrote:
Sounds good, I would be willing to try it, as I plan on using n
connectors.  Here is my e-mail address:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks,

Jim
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From: Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Source for RF enclos


 I have used old Polyphasor surge suppressors for RF tight boxes, look at:
 
  http://www.polyphaser.com/kommerce_productdetail.aspx?item=IS-PT50HN
 
  These are 4.25 long, 2.25 wide and 1.25 deep outside dimensions.  They
  are cast aluminum, so the inside dimensions will be less.  I can't find
  the
  Hamtronics preamp I have, but I think it will fit inside.  The case has 2
  N
  female connectors, one on each end.  I have a few of these around, you can
  have one for the postage.
 
  73, Joe, K1ike
 
  At 09:50 AM 12/1/2005 -0500, you wrote:
 I have a Hamtronics LNP VHF Preselector  board.  I would like to install
 it
 in a RF tight box.  Checked with Hamtronics and they have no such item and
 no advise as to where to find one.  I want to install the board in a metal
 box and have the antenna leads come out to two female N connectors, and a
 12
 vdc through a feed-thru connector for power.  Their is no room to install
 it
 within the receiver.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Jim, K8COP
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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